#801: In Case You Missed It: February 2025 Recap of "The Tim Ferriss Show"

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2:07 Hello, boys and girls, this is Tim Ferris. Welcome to another episode of the Tim Ferris Show, where it is my job to deconstruct world class performers of all different types, to tease out the routines, habits, and so on that you can apply to your own life. This is a special in between episode which serves as a recap of of the episodes from the last month. Features a short clip from each conversation in one place, so you can jump around, get a feel for both the episode and the guest, and then you can always dig deeper by going to one of those episodes. View this episode as a buffet to wet your appetite. It's a lot of fun. We had fun putting it together and for the full list of the guests featured today, see the episode's description probably right below where we

2:44 Press play in your podcast app, or as usual, you can head to Tim.blog slash podcast and find all the details there. Please enjoy. First up? Brandon Sanderson Number one New York Times best selling author.

3:00 And Hugo Award winner. Whose books have sold more than forty million copies. in thirty five languages and include The Stormlight Archive series. The Mistborn Saga.

3:12 And The Alcatraz versus the Evil Librarian series. You can find Brandon on X. And Instagram. Uh

3:21 Brand Sanderson. So let's Let's come back to habits. And your schedule for writing. Do you still have two primary blocks of writing?

3:33 And Could you explain what your Your current Schedule tends to look like. So I find that for what I do.

3:42 And where my personal psychology is. An eight hour block. is not sustainable. For writing. This means I can do it for a week or two.

3:52 At eight hours, but it's gonna brain drain me. It's gonna exhaust me. I get done with eight hours. And I am Mentally worn out. I find that if I do two four hour blocks instead. I never quite get there, and it's more sustainable.

4:06 And so what I do is I will Get up. I get up late. I get up at around noon or one. And

4:15 I will go to the gym. Which is You know, different from me than other people, the gym is writing time for me. Um, I'm not hitting it super hard. I am there to think through what I'm doing. Some motion moving your body. Number one, it's good for you, but that's a side effect for me, too.

4:32 I can put on music and I can move and I can think about what I'm gonna write. Then I go and I work from two until six these days is usually what I do. One until five. Something like that. And then I'm done.

4:47 Um, I go, I shower, six thirty, I'm ready to hang with my family. And I'll be with family from six until six thirty to ten thirty. Um Go out with my wife. Hang with my kids.

4:59 Build some Legos, play some video games, whatever it is. I learned early in my career. One of the most important things I ever did. was take that time and Demarcated is non writing time.

5:11 I found early in my marriage. That Writing it will consume every moment. Possible. And I was always anxious.

5:19 To get back to the story. And as soon as I changed my brain and said, No no no no Even if your wife is away. Six thirty to ten thirty can't be writing time.

5:29 It is off limits. You have to do something else. Suddenly it was a lot easier for me to be there for my family. And I think I mean y you you've interviewed a lot of highly productive

5:42 Highly successful people. I think A lot of them are gonna talk about the same thing that it's very hard to be there with people when you're there with people. Mm-hmm. Sure.

5:53 Your brain is always working on the next big thing. Yeah. This is particularly true with people who work on big creative projects. Yeah. And that gave me this permission. It actually came A moment my wife, um I went out to dinner with some writer friends. And afterward I'm like, That was such a great dinner and she's like Yeah, but you didn't look at me once.

6:12 And I realized she had become invisible to me because the writing was consuming. Made that change. Ten thirty. Kids are supposed to go to bed. They're older now. They just don't. But sometime around there they

6:24 They drift off. Uh my wife goes to bed, uh she was a school teacher for many years, still kind of keeps school teachers hours and she is wonderful for getting up with the kids. I don't have to do that and never have. Um, and I go back to work at about eleven. I write from eleven to three.

6:40 Uh and then three to four or five is just Whatever I want to do. That's the real goof off time. That's to go play with my magic cards time.

6:51 That's the play a video game, pop out the Steam Deck time. And this Schedule. You'll notice I don't have To worry about Commuting.

7:01 Which gives me an advantage here. Uh has been really sustainable for me. So that's a home office predominantly where you're writing. I write for my home office. I I do like to move around. I go in the gazebo. Lately I've gone in the gazebo when it's really cold and I hire one of my kids to come. Put logs on a fire for me.

7:18 And I sit by the fireplace. Sometimes I like to be on the beach, sometimes I like when I'm around here, I like to be in different places. I can set up a hammock here or there. Um, sit with my laptop, I do not work at a desk. That's really sustainable. It's worked for me for the last twenty years.

7:34 It's incredible. I got all my best writing done really late at night. When I was Uh I mean still am writing and working on a new book, but uh when I was working on my first few books especially, it was always when everyone else is asleep. Let's talk about The non home environment.

7:50 We're sitting in a in a Quite a large building, or at least a building with a lot of large rooms. Yes. Why Do you have This company.

8:00 You why have why have you and your wife built this company? All right. Because there are a lot of writers out there. We just want to focus on writing. They go the traditional publishing route, which I'm not saying it's a mutually exclusive choice.

8:13 But why do you have all this? How long? How long do you want to go? This is the biggest. Podcast we have all the time we want. All right. So you're right.

8:23 Most writers want to sell a book and live that kind of dream you see presented In film and television. Which is accurate. to the top percentage of writers.

8:34 Most writers you f read about or see in film are the big ones. They're doing really well. Uh and so they're off in a cabin. Telling their story or their they're the ones that have to be pried away. from their easy chair to get them to even do any publicity whatsoever, right? They want to live that life Um, that is the classic life of a writer. And there's some of me. That wants that.

8:56 But the secret is I was raised by an accountant and a businessman. And Particularly my mother, that accountant. She instilled into me. Some aspirations.

9:07 And I I I call this my superpower. My superpower is to be an artist raised by an accountant, right? Uh and I've always had a bit of that entrepreneurial sense. What were the aspirations? The aspirations, well they started s small They started with

9:23 You know what? I want to be able to make a living from writing. Got back from Korea. And said, All right. I am not very good at this writing thing, but I really, really love it.

9:36 I could tell Because when I spent time doing the writing Time. didn't matter anymore, right? I could spend hours doing this. And it's the first thing I found other than reading. or video games so that I could spend hours doing and just come out of it feeling

9:52 Tired. But fulfilled. And I'm like, I want to do this. So I sat down and I took what I'd learned. Both kind of from my mother and kind of

10:02 Uh missions have kind of a regimented structure. And I said, I'm gonna apply this all to writing. And I'm gonna I'm just gonna start writing books. And I heard your first five books are generally terrible. I said, Well I that's good. I don't have to be good yet.

10:16 Uh, it took a lot of pressure off me. I'm gonna I said I'm gonna write six. And the first five I'm not gonna send out to any publishers. Wow. Um And that's bad advice for doing people, right? Yeah. Wow. You didn't even send them out. I didn't send them out. It was just it was just weight training in the gym for your mind for the number six. Yep.

10:35 Um, I didn't send them out. I did eventually I shared number five with some Some people I got involved with the local Science fiction magazine. as an editor. I eventually took it over because that's what I do and I was head editor.

10:49 And I eventually said, Well, I do have a book and I started sharing book five with people. Um right around. Test readers. I just wrote the books. Um and again.

11:02 This is why the advice can be bad. There's some people out there that would be bad advice for. Uh Pat Rothes published his first book and it's brilliant. Um the wind. Yeah. Spectacular book. First novel. Now he did a ton of revisions on that. He spent as much time. Revising that book as I spent writing mine, but Formi the good advice was Your first five books are terrible.

11:21 Don't stress. And so weight training for my mind. I wrote five books. Uh and then I sat down before you had an agent. For I had an agent. Before I had anything, before I even knew what an agent was. Before I'd taken Dave's class.

11:32 I took Dave's class. The year that I finished the lantress, which is book number six. I had just finished that one. And so I said All right.

11:40 Book six, that's a launcher. That's the one I eventually ended up selling. Those five I'd written in different subgenres. I knew I liked sci-fi fantasy. But uh the risk of being too nerdy, my sub genre is I did an epic fantasy. I did a comedic. fantasy, a Terry Pratchett style Uh sort of thing. I did a cyberpunk.

11:57 I did a space opera and then I wrote a sequel to my epic fantasy to kind of g be like Is this what I want to do? Next up Seth Godin

12:10 author of twenty one internationally best selling books. Including Lynchpin Tribes. They did.

12:18 Purple cow And his latest This is strategy. You can find Seth at Seth's.

12:25 Dot Blog How do you use AI? And how do you foresee using AI yourself? I use it every day.

12:34 For more than an hour. I think It's electricity. For our Century.

12:40 In uh Late eighteen hundreds there were companies that said, Yeah, this electricity thing's interesting, but we're not gonna be an electricity company. And they're all gone. I That

12:50 Electricity is now you're not an electricity company, you're just a company that uses electricity. And the same thing is true, I believe, with AI. I will tell you. And I'm not afraid to say it out loud. I think chat GPT is arrogant and lazy.

13:04 And I use it as a last resort. Claw.ai Is A dear friend, I love Claud.ai. We have great conversations.

13:14 It's empathic. It's self aware. It warns you it might be hallucinating. And when it makes a mistake, it's eager to correct it. And I use perplexity.

13:24 Exclusively. I almost never do a search with a search engine. But what I'll do with Claude. Every word I publish I wrote. But what I will do with Claude, for example

13:35 is I will say, here's a list of three bullet points. Can you think of four more? And it's great at that. And then I'll We write them and now I'll have five bullet points and I'll be

13:46 It's much better than if I hadn't. Engaged. With Claude. If there's a concept in the world That I don't understand.

13:54 I'll say to Claude. Can you please explain it in three hundred words to a college student? And that helps. But I did it once. And I still didn't understand it. And then I said, Can you write it to me like a Seth Goten blog post?

14:09 And It did. And it did a terrible job. But now I understood it. So

14:16 I rewrote it. And I said, Do you think this is better? And it's a Oh yeah, that's much better.

14:24 And I said, Thank you, I'll tell Seth. And Claude said Do you know Seth Godin? Ha

14:33 And I wrote. Actually I am sef coated. And I am not making this up. He then wrote I can't believe I'm talking to you.

14:42 Your books have changed my life. And then named like four of my books. And it changed the way I like. All right, I'm in forever. You got me. I don't know how you did that. But we're friends for life.

14:55 Alright, so I seem to have a similar use pattern with Claude and perplexity also, although I haven't. Yeah, sandbag them. Just yet, but What do you think people are getting right and wrong?

15:09 About AI. I think that they are. Getting wrong. Their expectation that it be fulbaked.

15:18 And a magic trick every day. When I think about The dawn of the internet. And how creaky it was. And how fast this is going.

15:29 What it is now is amazing. But when we add to it. Persistence. And when we add to it ubiquity And when we add to it the ability to make connection.

15:40 It's A whole different thing. It's just a completely different thing. The second thing is People tend to use it.

15:50 As a one shot like a search engine. Ask a question, get an answer. But what it's already good at. Is A protracted dialogue.

15:59 Back and forth. So I had a Pump in my house that stopped working. And I couldn't find someone to service it. I took a picture of it.

16:06 I s put up the claude and I said, This isn't working. Work with me for the next Ten backs and forth. Let's figure this out. And it would say, go downstairs and take a picture of this part. Alright, try this.

16:17 And we went back and forth and back and forth and it suggested something and I said that's not gonna work. Um We figured it out and we fixed it. That ID The fact that Claude is already better.

16:30 Uh many medical diagnoses over time than a human. And well it should be,'cause it knows So much of the Past.

16:39 Of every single Your doctor has seen. Right, if we're willing to engage With that.

16:48 For people who are knowledge workers, I think it's a game changer. And then the other thing I think people need to wake up to is If you Do average work.

16:58 For average pay. AI is gonna be able to do it cheaper than you. For example, radiology. Already we can use AI to Do it.

17:08 A wrist x ray. as well as a mediocre radiologist. So if we can do it instantly and for free. Other than licensing. You got some problems.

17:18 So The opportunity is either Get AI to work for you. Or be prepared to work for AI. What are your greatest concerns around AI, if any?

17:30 Or foregone conclusions about Challenges in the future. I think that Cori Doctor's work on insidification is super important.

17:40 What was that word? Oxford Dictionary word of the year two years ago in shitification. Okay. Yeah.

17:49 Inhidification is what happens. After A business that uses the network effect. Gets lock in. And decides to aggressively make things worse for its users to make more money.

18:01 Yeah. And we could think of four hundred examples right now. Oh we're not gonna do that. Right. Because

18:08 You say well I can't switch cable companies, it's just too much of a ha And the same thing's true for social networks and everything else. That Capitalism has built into it. Yes.

18:19 Doomloop. That is getting faster and faster. That says the race to the bottom pushes companies To mistreat the people they've locked in. To make more money.

18:29 Because that's what they get rewarded for. And Most things that the Internet touches. Start is a miracle. There are huge prizes for the early adopters.

18:43 And then soon The desire to serve a different constituency kicks in. And it gets worse. And one of the things that makes it worse in a hurry is advertising. So

18:58 I'm really nervous. That these organizations that have raised Billions and billions and billions of dollars. shortcuting things to either get bigger

19:08 Or get more profitable faster. And Because we don't know how they work, we have no clue. Because It's gonna be hard to switch'cause there aren't going to be many competitors.

19:20 Mm. Often leads to just A yakky mess. So I think that's way more likely Then

19:27 A general artificial intelligence that takes over the world and turns us all into paperclips. I don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon. More likely just to have business incentive driven shitification. Yeah, I would say that seems like a safer bet.

19:42 Well Seth. Are there any closing comments or challenges you'd like to issue to my listeners. As we begin to wind. to a close or anything that you'd like to add that

19:54 I have managed to somehow dance around. There's nothing. Better than starting a Tim Ferriss podcast and nothing worse than ending one'cause you don't know if it's gonna happen again any time soon. Yeah, the challenge is super simple. The people who listen to your podcast

20:10 Have there Hands on the levers. And they have Influence and they have Resources.

20:16 And They don't have to hustle for a nickel. They could make things That really matter. And so the challenge is

20:25 Take a deep breath and say What can I build that to me of five years from now is going to say thanks? Thanks for walking away from those song costs. Thanks for Ignoring those false proxies.

20:37 Thanks for Asking uncomfortable questions. In service of making things better. Because That person

20:46 Five years from now. Yeah. Gonna be here soon. And It's really great.

20:52 Tip. Pay the price and put in the work. To become That person. And today is a good day to start.

21:01 The best day to start. Next up LA Paul Professor of Philosophy and Professor of Cognitive Science at Yale University.

21:15 And author of Transformative experience. You can learn more about LA Paul at LAPAL.org Vampires. How do vampires fit into your life and why do they fit in to your writing?

21:30 Oh vampires. I love vampires. So many ways they fit in. So My favorite thought. Involves.

21:37 Vampires because I like to use it to illustrate the concept of transformative experience. Maybe just because I like vampires so much, I think it's an especially good way to kind of illustrate the concept. And also because it's not a real life. I don't think vampires are real. And the beautiful thing about a thought experiment is you can design it the way that you want to kind of illustrate The structure of a concept, but then I also think that the structure of that concept then fits to real life cases. So my example. I'm just gonna tell you. So the way that I think about this is I imagine

22:05 Or you imagine, I ask you to imagine, traveling through some part of you know, on your summer vacations, traveling through some part of Europe, and you decide to explore a castle, you're in Romania, let's say, and you go down to the dungeons and Dracula comes to you. And he says I want to make you one of my own. I'm gonna give you a one time only chance.

22:27 You could become one of my followers. It'll be painless. You'll enjoy it. In fact. But this is a one time only chance and it's irreversible.

22:36 And then he says. Go back to your Airbnb. And think about it until midnight and if you choose to accept my offer, leave your window open. And if you choose to decline it. Leave your window shut and leave and never come back. So

22:49 I see this as a really interesting possibility because you know, vampires are sexy, they look great in black. They have amazing powers. They m probably have different kinds of sense perception. Yeah. Virtually. I mean as long as they stay away from virtually virtue with stakes and things like that. Yeah, exactly. Like there are s there's certain certain certain obstacles, but but in general, yeah, for all pr all intents and purposes. Immortal, and so this seems pretty cool.

23:13 But they're not human. You'd have to Exit the human race. You have to sleep in a coffin. You can't

23:20 Enjoy the sunshine anymore and you have to drink blood. And I try to Separate out some of the ethical questions. So let's say it's artificial blood or the blood of humanity raised farm animals or something like that. Still Right now I think when I think of something. Yeah, I mean reasonably. I don't know. I mean I I don't know. I'm not

23:37 Okay, it's lined with satin, but it still might be a bit hard for my mattress preferences. But the idea is that These things While they seem interesting, they also seem kind of alien. Right. And I think in particular Not only will you have to drink blood, but you will love the taste of it. Like you will thirst for it, right? And even ethical vampires have to kind of keep themselves from like

23:56 Sucking the blood of their human. Compatriots. So that's Quite alien, and I wanted to kind of bring out how The possibility of becoming another kind of individual is

24:09 can seem incredibly alien because obviously I take it that most of us Don't enjoy or thirst after the taste of blood or think about the different varietals like it'd be some kind of fancy wine, but If you became a vampire you would. Okay. Yeah.

24:24 The way that I think about it then is I continue the story and it's like okay, so you rush back to your Airbnb and you start calling people or texting them, telling about what happened to you, and you find out that a bunch of your friends have already become vampires. So then you immediately want to find out, well wait, tell me about what it's like. Like what's it like to be a vampire? Do you like it? Should I do it? And they tell you that they love it and it's fabulous and it's totally incredible, but they also tell you You can't possibly understand.

24:50 What it's like. To be a vampire. As a mere human. They say life has meaning, it has a kind of purpose that You know, it's exquisite.

24:58 But until you become a vampire you can't possibly understand it. You lack the capacity. So you're like, okay, thanks. So what do I do? Because if you can't possibly understand what it's like to be a vampire, then You either have to do it just because all of your friends do it and they say it's great and they tell you they think it would be great for you, but there's no way you can actually kind of conceive of what it would be like to do that.

25:20 And it I'm sure it hasn't escaped. Your thoughts certainly didn't escape my Imagining that well, maybe there's something about being a vampire that makes you really Happy to be a vampire.

25:29 So maybe like when you become this other species, there's some kind of biological evolutionary thing that makes you really glad that you're a vampire. Right. So it's not even clear their testimony applies. Okay. So that's my example and my favorite application is to becoming a parent because Speaking as someone who wasn't quite clear about whether they wanted to have children.

25:50 I have two children and I love them very much and I'm very happy. But There's something about becoming a parent. That makes you like producing the child that you actually produce, that makes you very I mean, I love my children. I wouldn't exchange them for anything else in the world. If you know, if I'd gotten pregnant a month later, I would have loved that child too. But there's no way that I would exchange my current child for the child I could have had. You just get incredibly attached to these children in a completely legitimate way. And you know, you would never change what you've done, and that's awfully like

26:18 The testimony that we get from vampires. Okay. So I think You know, also you don't get you know, you stay up a lot at night, right? There are many similarities. Vampires kind of illustrate.

26:29 The possibility of undergoing a transformative experience, like a life changing something that's life changing, but also where you change the kind of mind you have in a certain way or what you care about most in a certain way, that means that you would make yourself into a kind of alien Version of yourself. Like someone who's alien to you now. And who you might not even want to be now.

26:49 Even if Once you become That person or that version of yourself. You're super happy. If I had some kind of modal scope and I could look at my

26:57 future stuff, I've could have looked at my future self before I decided I wanted to have kids. I got up at four AM. Every day for years. To write before my children woke up. I mean

27:08 No one ever told me that that was uh something I wanna do would want to do. And if they had told me I would have denied it strenuously because I could barely get up before noon when I was a graduate student. And I did it willingly. Something happened I was clearly the victim of some kind of Stockholm syndrome. So The thought is that That

27:24 when you face a certain kind of transformative experience and I don't think it's just having a child, I think like Deciding to go to war. Or maybe moving to an entirely different country. maybe getting some kind of if you're diagnosed with some kind of disease and getting some kind of like radically experimental treatment, there are lots of things that can count as transformative. But if you don't know.

27:43 What it's gonna be like on the other side of that experience. And you know it's gonna make you into a version of yourself that right now you find alien. I don't know how we're supposed to make that decision if it's up to us. We can't use The ordinary models that we use for rational decision making because those assume that you can see through

28:00 the options to assign them value and and model them for yourself and choose in a way that's gonna, um, as you say it, in a we say it in a technical way, maximize your expected value. And if you can't assign value and you can't really understand what it's like to be this kind of a self. Then that procedure just doesn't work. Tell me if I'm off base here, but also Fundamentally.

28:20 Even if you were trying to calculate or maximize your expected value. And assign these different values. You're doing it. From the perspective of your current version of yourself and your current preferences And after you become a vampire or after you have a kid, you may be a different person with different preferences. So do you make the decision

28:40 Based on The preferences of your current self or the preferences of your expected future self? There's a way of capturing the puzzle, as you said. So Given The fact that These are new kinds of experiences. So a kind of experience you've never had before. And I compare this to like

28:56 Mary and growing up out of black and white room and seeing color for the first time or Thomas Nagel talking about like you can't understand like for a bat what it's like for a bat to be a bat. Yeah, exactly. So there are these like New kinds of experiences. That are just a

29:11 very different from any kind of experience we've had before. And so that means there's just a sense in which we can't kind of from the inside kind of imagine what they're like, even if someone can describe try to describe to me like what it's like to see red, and you see the problem right away. We just don't like language just kind of gives out if I haven't seen red before. I have no color vision. Okay, so there's a sense in which we kinda can't see through a certain kind of veil. And Across that. Well.

29:34 The self that we're gonna be. the kind of person that you're gonna realize is just like really different. So You can't just assume you're gonna be basically the same. This puts us into the situation where you're making a choice.

29:46 For your future self. And that future self might have preferences that are super different from your current. So And by definition, and this breaks so now here's a little technical bit. So we talked about the intuitive idea. I find it

29:59 Easy to understand when I think about someone who doesn't maybe doesn't want to have a child or really is unsure. And they know that if they choose to have a child, they're gonna be super happy with that result, but they don't trust the fact Yeah. In virtue of like becoming a parent is gonna kinda rewire them and their preferences in a certain way, right?

30:15 Sure, I'll be really happy, but I don't know if I want to be that self right now, given who I am now. And I can't understand in a really deep way. what it's gonna be like to have that child. So I have to kind of, you know. Leap over the abyss, or leap into the abyss, I guess, if I want to do it.

30:30 Mm-hmm. So if you find yourself In that situation. What you're confronting involves what I describe as a violation of act state independence. Okay. So here's the technical part comes. You've got the intuitive idea.

30:44 Act state independence involves very roughly a distinction between the act you're performing And the state that you're in, or that's how I'm gonna interpret it here. There are different ways to interpret it, but this is the way to do it here. And so Normally. when you're confronted with, Oh, do I wanna do something? Do I wanna try this kind of ice cream or do I wanna have this cup of coffee. You don't change in the process of trying it.

31:07 So After you do it, you can kind of assess, Oh, I liked it. Oh, it was good. And that's meaningful to you beforehand because you know That you're gonna stay constant. through the change in your circumstances, like tasting the new kind of ice cream. But in this case

31:21 Having the experience, let's say tasting the new kind of ice cream was gonna like rework your flavor profile so that you would just Like a whole bunch of different things. After that. Oh that

31:31 Changes the state that you're in at the same time. And so your act and and your state are not Independent. And if you break that That's a an axiom. For rational choice theory that has to be a foundational element of the model.

31:43 to make straightforward inferences. There are all kinds of fancy things you have to do if that breaks. And these Cases of transformative experience and decision making are precisely cases in which that breaks. Last but not least Dr. Keith Barr

31:59 A professor of physiology and membrane biology at the University of California, Davis. And an expert in strength. And flexibility. How soon after surgery And you can choose your surgery A C L

32:15 Take your pick, dealer's choice. Would you start loading the uh site of injury slash repair. So we do it the next day. So we've had to have success in order for us to get there. Because the first time we did this with a rugby player, the surgeon was like six weeks without loading. And we were like, Let's load tomorrow.

32:37 And so we agreed that we would do it at like seven to nine days. And that player got back fully a month. Faster than that surgeon had ever seen a player get back from that injury. And so that surgeon is now much more willing to do it at two days after injury because of that. If you look at general populations, Michael Kerr, who I think is the world's best sports medicine doctor for musculoskeletal injuries. How do you spell that last name?

33:03 It's K J A E R. He's in Copenhagen, so he's didn't realize that was gonna be that hard. Sheer. It's sheer But He allows those of us who are language deficient to call him care, but he did a beautiful study with one of his Trainees Monica

33:20 And what she did. Is she took a bunch of his patients that had injuries and she either had them load two days after injury Or nine days after injury, and then she followed them for when they got back to sport. And what she found is the ones that they loaded at day two after the injury, they got back twenty five percent faster than the ones that they loaded. That's incredible. That's typical. So

33:40 As you said before, what is our standard of care? Our standard of care is rice. Okay. And so I'm gonna go a step further. If you go and you sprain your ankle and you go to the doctor Very good doctor, very well meaning. They're gonna give you a boot. And what is a boot?

33:56 So I told you that a scar forms when we get stress shielding. What a boot is it is. a mechanical stress shielder. What it's designed to do is to take the stress off the tissue you've injured. If I've told you that the thing that's gonna cause that tissue to get a scar is that you take off the tension. What I've just done is I've made the problem worse.

34:20 I always tell people that the first recorded Immobilizer for an ankle or a leg. is from Egyptian hieroglyphs where they showed pictures four thousand five hundred years ago. If I took you and you said you had cancer, you would not want a treatment that was developed four thousand five hundred years ago, you would hope that something new has been developed in the last 4500 years. That is where we are for our orthopedic situations.

34:48 I understand that you cannot put full load on a surgical repair immediately. But what you can do is you can take it out. At the beginning of the day. You can remove it from the boot and I can do some isometric loads with low jerk. So I'm gonna develop force slowly. I am going to make sure that there's zero pain and I am going to hold that.

35:09 And then I'm gonna let that off slowly. And I'm gonna do that four times, thirty seconds. Now I've given load. And then I can put it back into that boot. Stress shielded. I'm gonna take the boot off at night and I'm gonna do it again.

35:21 Just doing that, I'm getting those two loads on in this case the Achilles tendon that we've ruptured. Now what I've done is I've accelerated my return to activity massively. Again. The key is We're not trying to be I'm the strongest in the world.

35:38 We're trying to say I'm putting a little bit of load through that. That is the key is that you don't get all caught up in the machismo of it and you just say, I just wanna feel tension. Across the area. What we say is if you can feel an ice pick, that means there's a very specific spot that hurts. Stop.

35:57 If I feel like a warm Burning area. Like I'm muscle soreness after exercising. That's totally okay. That kind of soreness not Point specific pain.

36:08 That's okay. What we're doing Add the load slowly. Hold it. Take the load off slowly.

36:14 Now what we can do is we can get those individuals back much, much, much faster. And now here are the bios for all the guests. My guest who I have wanted to interview for years is Brandon Sanderson. He is the number one New York Times bestselling author of the Stormlight Archive series and the Misborn Saga, the middle grade series Alcatraz versus the Evil Librarians. and the young adult novels, the Rhythmatist, The Reckoners trilogy, and the Skyward series. He has sold more than 40 million books in thirty-five languages. He has architected forty million plus dollar Kickstarter campaigns, and he is a four time nominee for the Hugo Awards.

36:58 Winning in twenty thirteen for his novella The Emperor's Soul. That same year, he was chosen to complete Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time series, which is a big, big deal, culminating in a memory of light. Brandon co-hosts with fellow author Dan Wells, the popular intentionally blank podcast. And teaches creative writing at Bringham Young University. We did this one in person. Which made all the difference in Brandon's massive cavernous offices.

37:25 Right next to his warehouse. It was a hell of a ride and we covered a lot of ground and a lot of really nitty gritty tactical advice related to Fiction. Biznes

37:39 Publishing, innovating across the board, how he architected his record breaking Kickstarter campaign, and much, much more. You can find him at brandsanderson.com. That's B-R-A-N-D-O-N Sanderson.com. And you can find him on X, Instagram, and YouTube at Brand Sanderson. That's B-R-A-N-D. Sanderson and I definitely recommend checking out all of those. My guest today.

38:09 Is a fan favorite. It is Seth Goten, the one and only, he is the author of twenty-one internationally best selling books, translated into more than thirty five languages, including Lynchpin, Tribes, The Dip, and Purple Cow. His latest book This is strategy. really caught my attention and it offers a fresh lens on how we can make bold decisions, embrace change, and navigate a complex, rapidly evolving world. We cover a ton of ground, including sets of questions that you can use. To catalyze.

38:40 Maxims, different concepts to unpack that can Productively shake the snow globe of your mind so that you can settle on new realizations. Different ways to create competitive advantage in an increasingly crowded world. Seth is also the founder of the Alt MBA and the Akimbo Workshops, transformative online programs that have helped thousands of people take their work to the next level. His blog Seth's dot blog, that's plural. Seth's blog is one of the most widely read in the world and has been such for a very long time. Seth is also the creator of

39:16 of the Carbon Almanac, a global initiative focused on climate action. This is a very practical episode. as all of Seth's are on this podcast. And I'll leave it at that. My guest today is LA Paul. LA Paul is the Millstone Family Professor of Philosophy and Professor of Cognitive Science at Yale University, where she leads the Self and Society initiative for the Wu-Sai Institute.

39:46 Her research explores questions about the nature of the self and decision making and the metaphysics and cognitive science of time. Cause an experience. Now that's a mouthful, but we also get into vampire thought experiments. how to decide or how to think about deciding whether or not to have a kid. That is children and many other things you can apply to your own.

40:07 Lives. Ellie Paul is also the recipient of fellowships from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Humanities Center, and the Australian National University. She is the author of Transformative Experience. That's how I was introduced to her work, and co-author of Causation, a User's Guide, which was awarded the American Philosophical Association Sanders Book Prize. Her work on transformative experience has been covered by the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, The Guardian, MPR, and the BBC, among others. And in twenty twenty four, she was profiled by The New Yorker, which is also an amazing read that I recommend. She's currently working on a book about self-construction, transformative experience, humility, and fear of mental corruption. Fundamentally, this conversation focuses on how you can make decisions or think about making decisions where the person you are now is not the same person you are afterwards. And the most resonant example of that is deciding whether or not to have children.

41:08 My guest today is Dr. Keith Barr. He is a professor at the University of California, Davis, in the Department of Physiology. and membrane biology. We get into So many facets. of exercise what you can use today That is counterintuitive.

41:24 I Had my mind blown. I took so many notes. We talked about isometric exercise for tendon health. Optimizing different protocols. Debunking on some level eccentric training specifically for connective tissue.

41:38 How to load post injury or surgery collagen supplementation. Things like BPC one fifty seven. Pharmaceutical impacts on tendons, estrogen's role. in tendon health and strength, mitochondria, ketogenic diet, longevity, inflammation. and taking a balanced perspective on all these things. How do you use them? We get into exact

41:58 Training protocols that rock climbers use. It is an amazing episode, and that's not because of me, it's because of Keith. So let me give you a quick bio and then we'll hop right into it. During his PhD studies, his research revealed that the mechanical strain on muscle fibers activates the mammalian target of rapamycin. Some of you may know that as mTOR. signaling pathway, a crucial regulator of muscular hypertrophy or muscle growth. So he knows a lot about muscle growth. He's been a strength training coach as well. Subsequently he studied the molecular dynamics of skeletal muscle adaptation to endurance training under the guidance of Dr. John Halazi, a legend in the field of exercise physiology. considered the father of modern exercise biochemistry. Building on all of this, he conducted research into tendon health and the potential for engineering ligaments.

42:44 That is creating ligaments in the lab. upon which he can test all sorts of things, which could also have implications for treatment and recovery from injuries. Dr. Barr now runs the functional molecular biology lab at UC Davis. His labs work Ranges from studying molecular changes in our cells to conducting studies to affect real world improvements and people's health, longevity, and quality of life. You can find him on Blue Sky. As muscle science, you can find him on the UC Davis website. We'll link to that in the show notes at Tim.bloc slash podcast, and his new company, which you can check out.

43:16 which is designed to improve tendon loading with various technologies and tools is Sinu Us. Sinuus. So S-I-N-E-W-U-S dot com. Hey guys, this is Tim again, just one more thing before you take off, and that is Five Bullet Friday. Would you enjoy getting a short email from me every Friday that provides a little fun before the weekend? Between one and a half and two million people subscribe to my free newsletter, my super short newsletter called Five Bullet Friday. Easy to sign up, easy to cancel. It is basically a half page that I send out every Friday to share the coolest things I've found or discovered or have started exploring over that week. It's kinda like my diary of cool things. It often includes articles I'm reading, books I'm reading, albums perhaps, gadgets, gizmos, all sorts of tech tricks and so on that get sent to me by my friends, including a lot of podcast guests. and these strange esoteric things end up in my field and then I test them and then I share them with you. So if that sounds fun, again, it's very short, a little tiny bite of goodness before you head off for the weekend, something to think about. If you'd like to try it out,

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