Dr Rachel Rubin: "I'm Filled With Rage!" Your Doctor Was Never Taught About Women's Bodies!

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You rub it inside the wall vagina. And just rub it in like you would rub sunscreen on your face. And if you do that twice a week, it makes sex not painful and dry. It helps with arousal and orgasm.
It's literally better than Viagra. And it's cheap. And I'm telling you all this as a urologist that this cream can also help prevent death from urinary tract infections. But more than 75% of people in large database collections are not getting prescriptions for this.
And so women are not getting access to generic medications that could save their lives and also really improve quality of life. And so I am filled with rage because people are limiting their ability to have great sex, great health, because they aren't having access to all the information that they could. For example, women are not orgasming as much as men. The data's very clear.
And women come to see me all the time as I'm a sex doctor. And they say, I'm broke and you have to fix me. I'm not orgasming during sex. And I think the majority of problem is education. Women think that orgasm comes from penetration, but their clitoris is how most women orgasm, and yet most women do not know where their clitoris is. And in fact, the word clitoris today.
In 2026, does not exist in the checklist for what an OBGYN has to learn in their training. And as men.
What are we getting wrong in heterosexual relationships when we're trying to arouse our partners? Well, men are constantly asking about they want their penises bigger, harder, straighter, earthier, lasting longer. But none of that has anything to do with how women experience pleasure and satisfaction in the bedroom. So that's why I'm so loud about these things, because no one is
getting good sex ed. Because the basic information is not being shared. And we fundamentally don't give a crap about women's sexual health, about their menstrual cycles, pregnancy, menopause, hormones, pain with sex, libido, but we actually do have a lot of information that we are not using because everyone forgot to teach your doctor. And I want to focus today's conversation on women's health because I have so many questions.
and curiosities. So let's start with the subject of hormones.
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Doctor Rachel Rubin.
Before we started recording, you said a line to me which
I found to be very interesting. You said
I'm filled with rage.

Why you filled
With rage.
I am filled with rage because I do think that people are limiting their ability to have great sex, great relationships, and great health because they aren't having access to all the information that they could, and they're going to see doctors who actually don't know how to help them with these problems. And on the subject of women's
health, sexual health, hormones, et cetera. Can you give me the background context of the disservice that's been done? I remember you s you were talking previously about how even the most affluent women in the world are being let down.
Yeah, I think this is the great equalizer in the fact that no one is getting good medical care here when it comes to hormone therapy, menopause, and sexual health. Melinda Gates just came out and said she had to see three doctors before she got proper hormone therapy prescriptions.
Oprah had to see five doctors and still they didn't understand that her heart palpitations was from perimenopause and menopause. How about Halle Berry, right, who has access to all the doctors in the world, and she publicly came out and said she was diagnosed with genital herpes when she really just had
The genito-urinary syndrome of menopause, the rich people are not getting good information about their bodies, about their hormonal health, about their sexual health. So what are the rest of us doing? We don't teach it in medical schools, we don't teach it in residencies. I didn't learn anything about it. And so we are actually getting worse at this, not better at this. And so
I am full of rage because we actually do have a lot of data and we do have a lot of information that we are not using because everyone forgot to teach your doctor.
It's staggering to me that's not a
You know those very often
women that you've mentioned.
still are being let down by a medical system. Um
It also sort of
it gets the question that if men were in that situation
This probably wouldn't be the case.
And that says something about the research and the investment that's gone into understanding women's health relative to men's health. It's a huge problem. We don't have enough specialties of medicine that focus on women's health and we don't have enough like manpower behind us. We can throw money at this situation, but you need physical human beings to roll up their sleeves and
And do this work. Like doing research is challenging, and you need people to actually disseminate the research and talk about the research, and you need the training to happen. So it has to trickle down. So just because someone wrote a paper doesn't mean it automatically gets downloaded into every doctor's brains. So someone has to teach someone how to do something. So I lecture all the time, I do a lot of
Trying to teach clinicians how to do this. I travel all over to say, here's how to write prescriptions, because that's what it's gonna take. There was so much fear and misinformation 20 years ago about hormone therapy that it is a lost art. Doctors don't know how to write the prescriptions. Nobody taught them how. So even if they see
Headlines and Melinda Gates giving ten million dollars to the Menopause Society. That's wonderful.
But it doesn't translate into them knowing how to actually write the prescription, knowing the difference between the type of hormones, knowing the safety, the risk, the benefits, because they never had the class. For example, I'm a urologist. If someone comes into me asking about their blood pressure, I'm not going to pretend like I know everything about their blood pressure. I'm going to be very honest that I have the limitations in my
training. But for some reason with hormone therapy and women's health, every doctor you go see has strong opinions and will tell women what they can and cannot have with their bodies, even when they don't know the data. I come from the men's health world. We don't tell men you can't have this, you can't do this. We we talk about
Shared decision making. We talk about risks. We talk about benefits. For some reason we don't do that enough in women's health. Why? I think part of it, I don't think your doctor's evil. I actually have a a thought about this. So I think your doctor wasn't trained. I think they're trying to save face.
And I think ten minutes is impossible to give good medical care. I could never get to know you fully in ten minutes and really give you great advice on your life that's customized for you. It's almost like the difference between a viral clip that you're gonna try to do from this episode
And the long form nuanced conversation that you're gonna have. You love the nuanced conversation. You love spending those those two hours. And I think patients want that too. But when they go to the doctor, they're getting the 10 minute version. And instead of doctors saying, I don't know.
they're sort of saying, No, no, you can't have this because it's easier than than sort of going into that nuance, which can take time. I also think that people are going to their doctor, say, say you want to talk about your orgasm or your libido, okay? You go to your gynecologist. Of course my gynecologist should know
Everything there is to know about the clitoris, about orgasm, about hormones, about that's what they do. And the truth is it's not what they do and it's n they were never taught that in the data. The word clitoris today in twenty twenty six does not exist
In the checklist for what an OBGYN has to learn in their training. The word doesn't exist. So your gynecologist has never been taught
about the clitoris, about the vulva, about sexual health, about sexual pain, about libido arousal and orgasm. And so the ones who have taken it on their on themselves to get extra training, they're very few and far between. And so w every day women and men too are going to a doctor expecting answers on
A topic that their doctor probably has never gotten training on.
Yeah, and I do want to focus today's conversation on women's health. I want to preface all of this by saying that
I'm going to be as dumb as I am on this subject. If you say something about the vagina and I don't know what it means, I'm not going to pretend to know. I'm going to ask you what it means. And I say that because.
I sometimes think of these conversations.
Um the host.
Often
Is
too shy to admit their ignorance. And I have lots of ignorance on this. But I also have lots of curiosity and I want to fill those gaps. And that's going to require me to be very, very
Dumb.
And also my second reason why is because I have so many women in my life. Um, if you just look at my company, my entire executive team in my company are all women. And also I've got my fiance, my mom, my sister, and understanding the women in my life.
Um, one element of understanding them is understanding their health.
women's health isn't something that I was ever taught in school. It's not like a lesson I had. So I also think this conversation
Is for men.
Every man has important women in their lives. So
My question to you is if if a woman has clicked on this conversation right now, what are they gonna get from it? Let's start with that first question.
So I think it's really important because as men, we expect the women to know. Surely the woman knows about their menstrual cycle, about pregnancy, about postpartum, about menopause, about hormones. Surely my partner knows, you know, or the woman in my life, my mom, my sister, my my daughter, they know all of that. So I don't have to. And the truth is they don't know.
When the women in your life go to their doctor and they're getting a pelvic exam, say they're getting a pap smear, a doctor is looking at their their genitalia, putting a a speculum in, going inside the canal and looking around. We put a sheet over you like we are mechanics looking under the hood. So we put a sheet to keep you comfortable, to keep you modest.
But we we hide your genitalia from you and we don't teach as we go. So I became famous again because I I I when I started my practice, I didn't buy any fancy uh equipment. I bought two mirrors on Amazon. And I give women a mirror and as I'm examining them, I say to them,
This is your labia majora, this is your labium menora, this is your clitoris, this is your urethra, the tube that you pee through because women can't see it. You've got skin, you've got bones, you've got muscles, you've got nerves, you've got, you know, all the organs that are on the inside, and women don't have access to this language.
Certainly men don't have access to this language. And so it's that basic uh ability to give women language. You can learn about your body parts, you can learn how hormones work in your body, and you can learn basic medicine for you that becomes important for how you advocate for what you want, what you care about.
And who you bring into your medical life. You may have a physical therapist, you may have a mental health person, you may have a primary care, a gynecologist, you may go on Instagram and get great information from people on Instagram. And so that doctor that makes you feel like crap because they they tell you something that you don't agree with.
Find a different one, right? You have to advocate for yourself. And I find we are starting to empow women to do that, um, which is very challenging.
What is the most popular question you get asked now that you've been on these podcasts?
And you know, you're out there and you've done millions and millions of views all over the place and on clips and so forth. What is the number one most popular question you get asked?
I'm asked a lot about hormones. Like people want to know about hormones.
People want to know about pain with sex. Yeah. And I think people want to know about libido. I think those are the three, I would say, most common things that we talk about. So let's go in that order then. So let's start with the subject of hormones. What is it about hormones that people are so desperate to understand?
So hormones are fascinating because we forgot to teach doctors anything about hormones. Uh, and what we have taught about them, they think it's dangerous, they think they're harmful, they think that you know, it's it's almost like this thing that is natural in your body that's somehow dangerous once you get over a certain age. And that is
All politics and bad interpretation of science.
Shows
Female testosterone levels by age.
And again, as someone that um has started to understand more about female hormones, I was quite surprised because you think of testosterone as a male hormone.
Yeah, so that's the biggest misconception is that women don't make testosterone. Testosterone is just a hormone. It's not a male hormone, a female, it's just a hormone. It's also not a menopausal hormone. We think of menopause as estrogen starts to drop, right? So menopause is a castration event. If I cut your testicles off right now, you would have hot flashes, night sweats, osteoporosis, depression.
depression, low libido, erectile dysfunction, metabolic syndrome, your weight would go up and you would be generally pretty unhappy. It's a big deal when we castrate people. And yet we don't do it for men regularly unless there's a very significant medical reason to do so. And yet every woman over the age of fifty
Her estrogen goes to essentially zero, and that affects bone health, it affects the brain, it affects the heart, it affects sexual health, it affects UTIs start to go up. And so it's a whole body event that happens. Now testosterone's really interesting because it actually isn't at menopause that you lose testosterone.
It happens in your thirties. So if you look at this graph, right, you can see testosterone starts to precipitously drop in your thirties. So what do we see clinically? Sometimes nothing, but we have a lot of people who will start in their thirties, mid thirties, late thirties, start to say, Oh, my libido is not as high as it used to be.
Ha, my orgasm takes a little bit longer. I don't feel as aroused. My engorgement is not the same. My lubrication. Engorgement of the clitoris. It's the same as an erection, right? So the clitoris and the penis are the same. They get hard with blood flow. And so this happens in your thirties and no one's paying attention.
Because if you look at the graphs that we are taught in med school, they look more like this. So the books all talk about estrogen and progesterone. They don't talk about testosterone very often. And there's also a lot of things we do to worsen this problem. When you play with hormones, there are consequences, sometimes good and sometimes bad, because we do so much to
mess with our hormone levels. Again, birth control pills, the way that they work is changing hormone levels. Medications for acne, medications for hair loss that people are using can affect your testosterone levels. So birth control is wonderful.
But there are side effects to birth controls just like there's side effects to any medication. And so one of the side effects is it lowers testosterone. And so
That can cause low libido pain with sex in a small subset of people who take it. So if you're someone who does have side effects, then it's worth having conversations of different forms of birth control, which may not lower your testosterone as much. Does that does that make sense? It does make sense. And it's um
It's interesting. My my partner's talked about this before, um, my fiancee. She was on birth control for a long time.

And
She also had concurrently libido problems.
Now
We don't know whether it was the birth control, whether it was something else.
But
When she came off the birth control pills, her libido
Challenges.
Also evaporated. So can I explain? Because I think again, knowing the basics and the fundamentals give women and men access to the information so they can make choices with what they want to do with it. Okay, so how do birth control pills work? Um
When you take a combined birth control pill, it has a fake amount of estrogen and a fake amount of progestin in it, so high
That it tricks your body into not ovulating. So when you have so much hormone around, your body says, Oh, I don't need to make my own because there's plenty around. And so the ovaries shut down. So your ovaries are no longer making their own hormones because and this is happens to men too. When you take high doses of testosterone, you become infertile because your testicles say, Oh, I don't need to produce sperm right now because there's plenty of testosterone.
And so birth control causes your ovaries to just stay quiet. They shut down for a bit. But your ovary does three things. It does estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone. It doesn't add back testosterone. So her experience possibly was because she wasn't making her.
own testosterone and once she went off that birth control her ovaries woke back up and make estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone, which to you equaled more pleasure now because we focus on the psychosocial, I'll have a lot of people saying, no, no, no, it's all communication. And and all of that is important, don't get me wrong.
But the biology matters too. And we know there is a biological basis to sexual health for everybody.
I was just looking at some data and it said that in some studies up to twenty seven percent of people on birth control report a decrease in their libido slash sex drive. Yeah.
Which is shocking'cause you know, it varies in these studies from one to seven people to one to that's almost like one one in three people.
are experiencing it. How does one navigate that? You know,'cause birth control has tremendous um upsides.
So how do you navigate that? I think that everything that we do, there's the risk of doing something and the risk of not doing something. No drug is going to be without possible side effects. And so that's where it becomes important to know what are the non negotiables.
Antidepressants is a perfect example. We know that they can help people, right? A lot of people, but we know there are sexual side effects like low libido, delayed orgasm. And so it has to do with informed consent, which means I, Steven, if I'm gonna give you a medicine, I want you to know that there is the common side effects.
The less common side effects and then the disastrous side effects. That's why on the commercials they talk about all the disastrous side effects. But often they don't even research the sexual side effects. So for example, GLP ones, okay? What's the GLP one? Yep. The GLP ones are the weight loss drugs that everybody's talking about. Ozempic, Manjaro, all the all the
Celebrities are on these injections that are making them lose tons of weight. We are starting to look at these drugs in women, but they're not nobody's looking at it for sexual health. Everyone's looking at it for can you get pregnant? Reproductive health. There is not a single published paper on sexual health side effects
for women. So we did a survey, it's not published yet, but we presented it at at a conference, at a medical conference. We uh survey a thousand women on online who have taken these medications and about
Twenty five percent report sexual side effects from these medications. Again, that's not to say the medicines are good or bad, right or wrong, but there are side effects. Now of those twenty-five percent, about fifty percent of those people said it lowered their sexual function, whether it's libido arousal and orgasm, and about twenty five percent said it made it better.
Carrying on in this track about
women's um hormone levels through time and through age and through life phases. What else do I need to know or understand about how to
Important testosterone is.
So we know we have global consensus actually that testosterone helps for libido in postmenopausal women, okay? Now there is also data in perimenopausal women as well, and that is clear data. It helps with
libido, but it also helps with arousal, it helps with orgasm and satisfaction. It can also help with body image, which is like a cool a really cool thing. In my clinic, I use FDA approved testosterone for men and I give it to them in doses appropriate, like one tenth a dose for a man. I give it to uh my female patients.
And I see that over the three to six months of taking it, they get this um it it clicks. Now, does that mean every woman on earth needs it? No, we're not there yet. But if you want it and you want to try it and you're curious about it, then you should have access to physicians who understand how this works and they know how to write.
The damn prescription. We have puberty.
Your fertile years, perimenopause, menopause, and then
Post menopause.
When you think about a woman's hormonal journey through these different life stages,
What is the sort of advice you would give them to make sure they're hormonally healthy across every life stage? What are like the basics? What are the tactics, strategies, medications?
um that they should be thinking about. And I say this because I've got women women in my life at every stage.
In this life phase at the moment. I've got
You know, I've got my nieces in the sort of puberty era, I've got m the my my fiance in the fertile years, I've got my mum and grandparents, et cetera, in the peri and post menopause years as well.
Yeah. So if you look at your nieces, for example, when they were babies compared to now, there are changes happening. Their bodies are transforming because they're getting a surge of hormones in their body, and that's estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone. They're cycling, which means they're getting periods. So let's talk about the menstrual cycle for a second. I think it's helpful.
So when women have their period
They bleed for a few days, right? And that's when their hormones, their estrogen and their progesterone is at its lowest.
Okay. So hormones are at their lowest. And then
the hormones start to increase, your estrogen starts to go up. You don't make progesterone yet in the beginning. Your estrogen starts to go up and it make there there's a a follicle in your ovary which has an egg, right? It's gonna pop out an egg.
Ovulation is when the egg pops out. So you get this big surge of estrogen.
And then when the egg pops out of the ovary, right, that's what's gonna make a baby if it gets fertilized. There's a shell of the egg, right? The egg has a shell, which makes progesterone. So the second half of the cycle, there's progesterone around.
Okay, first half of the cycle, no progesterone. And so that second half of the cycle, the shell has making progesterone. And then when you don't have fertilization, the shell starts to break down.
And that natural breakdown is a drop in progesterone, which causes the lining of the uterus to shed and you get a period again. And so it's estrogen goes high in the beginning and then pops out an egg. Progesterone gets high in the second half, then they both fall and you have a period. And so the hormones being low in the beginning, estrogen is not zero. It's about 50.
Okay, so when we talk about numbers, if you get your your hormones checked, if they're at their low, it's like fifty, but when you ovulate, your estrogen may be one fifty, two hundred, three hundred. And then
When you're pregnant, your estrogen may be as high as three thousand or higher, right? It's very many thousands. And so these hormones have actions in our bodies. And so the reason it's important is because when we give back hormone therapy, well, are we giving back 10,000 like pregnancy? No, we're giving back
To be like fifty, sixty, seventy the way that you are early in your cycle, kind of a thing. Now testosterone's not even on this graph that everybody gets taught of estrogen than progesterone, but we do know testosterone is pretty stable through the cycle, although we do believe it peaks during ovulation, which makes sense because you wanna have a baby
Right. So evolution says, okay, you need to be horny around the time that you are going to ovulate, and so your testosterone starts to go up. Now it's really important because you're probably not having a conversation with your nieces about their menstrual cycles, but it's a problem because no one's talking about it if they're painful, if they're abnormal, if they're um uh w we don't have a lot of
Conversations around what is a normal amount of bleeding. We have so many people who have problems, whether it's PCOS, which is now called PMOS, which is a metabolic issue that causes you to have irregular periods. There's endometriosis, where you have painful periods.
There are so many medications we give to people that can alter their hormonal health and and sexual health for that matter. And then it all starts to get even more chaotic in perimenopause.
Which is again age thirty five to forty five. If menopause we say is forty five to fifty five, right, is normal menopause age. Average age is fifty two. And we think perimenopause is when things start to change for people about ten and they can be about ten years, that means thirty five to forty five.
So how old are you? I don't remember thirty three. Thirty three partner's thirty three. All right, so thirty three. So this idea that I'm too young or it's too early or I'm not there yet. The truth is
Things do start to change. What changes for a woman So it it there are so many symptoms to hormonal fluctuations. So for some people it's temperature changes. For some people it's fatigue. For some people it's remembering things. For some people it's low libido. Some people get dry eyes, itchy ears, burning mouth.
joint pain. Some people get irregular periods. Some people get pain with sex. Some people get UTIs. I would love to talk about what why hormones are so important for the bladder and UTI prevention. And so there are so many symptoms and everyone says, oh, we're blaming everything on hormones.
And the truth is, we haven't talked about hormones enough to actually start looking at this to figure out what is important and what is hormonally important. So when you start to lose progesterone when you arrive at perimenopause.
What are all the symptoms you feel? Are they different symptoms to uh decline in estrogen? So it's hard to know for sure, but some people think that is the progesterone, so your sleep starts to get a little crazy, anxiety starts to go up. And so some people will start with progesterone as a support for um, you know, sort of perimenopausal hormone therapy.
But estrogen can also help with many of those symptoms. So it's not a one size fits all of whether we give people everybody gets progesterone or everybody gets estrogen. Sometimes people just get testosterone, because remember that falls in your thirties. Uh, you know, so there's some times where we uh do all three and there's sometimes where we do just one or two.
Now it's a a very evolving conversation because most of the book answers, most of the guidelines really talk about menopause and how we treat people in this menopause when you're flatlined. Remember, it's that castration event where everything's zero, and then we add back hormones. So now we're starting to talk about perimenopause as a place to
to start giving women hormones. And that's a a a very important and evolving conversation that is happening. And so this conversation that's
Sort of raging on about HRT.
About
Safety about
what age you should take it, who should take it, what form you should take it in.
What's your perspective on that and what do women need to know about that? Yeah. And what is HRT? Yeah, it's a great question. So hormone replacement therapy, which is a term that we used to use for hormones in menopause.
Um, it has a bunch of different names and everyone tries to change the marketing around it, but hormone therapy in general is this idea of giving back hormones when you have hot flashes, night sweats, osteoporosis, you know, sort of this over fifty crowd that has this
declining estrogen and progesterone levels. And so typically classic hormone therapy is estrogen and progesterone. Now again, taking just estrogen, estrogen grows things. It helps your bone health, it helps your hair skin and nails, it helps you not have hot flashes, it helps you sleep. It can
also grow the lining of the uterus. And so if it gets thicker, thicker, thicker, there is worry over years that leads to endometrial or uterine cancer. So the endometrium is the lining of the uterus. So here I can okay, so this is a this is a vagina.
And then
At the the vagina's like a sock. At the very end of the sock is a tiny hole, and that hole is the the pinpoint opening of the cervix. And that hole, if you go through that tiny, tiny hole, it gets to the uterus. And the uterus is a cavity where we hold babies.
uh where the lining comes out, that's what period blood is, is the lining of the uterus here, which we'll call the endometrial lining. So progesterone is very important for this lining here. If the the lining of the uterus gets too thick with just estrogen, that can lead to problems. But if you match it with progesterone
those problems go away. So when we're so so if you just gave someone estrogen, then the linings of the age would get so thick that that would cause a problem. But if you give it to both
hormones together it s sort of balances. It balances them out. And so that's why you'll hear hormone therapy talked about estrogen and progestine. Just like the birth control pill your partner was on was an estrogen and a progestin. There was a combination.
Okay, got you.
And also the history is kind of important here of why your mothers and grandmothers weren't given access to this medication and the stigma behind it. In the late nineties, uh a lot of people were on hormone replacement therapies and they were seeing benefits. They actually were all these observational
uh studies that showed wow the heart disease is less and like this is menopause during menopause and a billion dollars went into the NIH to study this in women. And they d they it was called the Women's Health Initiative. It was thousands and thousands of people age fifty to seventy nine. They gave a
hormone pill, like a birth control pill almost, to all of these women and they followed them. And they stopped the study early in the early two thousands and they did a press conference. And at this press conference they said we're shutting down the s the study early. Hormone therapy causes cardiovascular disease and breast cancer. And overnight
A multibillion dollar industry went to nothing. Everyone was told, throw your hormones in the garbage, this is dangerous. What was crazy is those people who were prescribing hormone therapy.
We're looking around saying I don't understand. My patients aren't dying of heart disease. They're not getting extra breast cancers. Like this doesn't make any sense. And when people actually looked at the study.
It didn't say any of those things. It was wild how misinterpreted this study was. In fact, the same uh authors of this study back in the early two thousands published this year in twenty twenty five, actually, that below age seventy,
That type of hormone therapy, which we don't really use anymore, has no increased risk of cardiovascular disease or stroke. And yet now you have a generation of doctors.
Who weren't taught how to do this. Only one point seven percent of women have are getting prescriptions for hormone therapy who who should be offered prescriptions. So it is
A disaster. Only one point seven percent. Only one point seven percent.
Oh really? Hm. Well.
And so hormone therapy is not something that I'm saying every woman must have, but every woman should have access to the toolbox.
I like to think about hormone therapy as really four buckets that we talk about. Hormone therapy is whole body estrogen, which helps with hot flashes, night sweats, uh bone loss.
Progesterone, whole body progesterone therapy, which protects the uterus and is this yin yang, especially if you have a uterus, but it helps with sleep and it can help with anxiety reduction in many of our patients. Not everybody, but a lot of them. The third thing is testosterone, which we talked about, which can help with libido. Um that's what we have the most evidence for.
And then the fourth thing is vaginal hormones. Now vaginal hormones are micro doses of uh estrogen or what we call DHEA vaginally that supports the bladder and the vagina. So it helps with pain with sex, dryness, urinary frequency, urinary urgency, leakage, and it prevents urinary tract infections massively.
It is safe for your great grandmother in the nursing home. It is safe for your uh wife who's breastfeeding. So if you know anyone in your life who is a woman who's having urinary frequency, urgency, leakage, urinary tract infections, pain with sex dryness, there is a
magical solution that is safe for everybody on earth um that is microdosing these hormones vaginally. At any age. At any age at all. In fact, even more important for people who are older because they are dying of urinary tract infection. So it's it's it's one thing.
When a young person gets a urinary tract infection and they go to the urgent care and they get an antibiotic, even they deserve prevention and this is prevents uh those problems in those people too. Again, what is this?
So vaginal hormones. So this is a really important topic. It's called genito-urinary syndrome of menopause or GSM. Say GSM loudly for your listeners. GSM. GSM. Genitourinary syndrome of menopause. Genital.
Urinary.
syndrome of menopause, but really it's kind of a dumb name because
It's any hormonal changes in your body can affect the bladder and the genitals. So UTI. What is a UTI?
And what's what's causing a UTI?
U urinary tract.
Infection. Yeah, very good. So urinary tract infections are when there is bacteria in the bladder and it can be a lot of uh of bad bacteria that can grow and create uh inflammation. It causes bladder pain.
pain with urination, it feels like razor blades, um, but it can also go into your bloodstream and cause fevers and chills and cause kidney infections. It can cause something called Eurosepsis, where you have to go to the I intensive care unit and need uh uh in antibiotics through an IV and it can kill you
if you have an infection go through your whole body. And this gets worse and worse as you get older. Why is there a link between hormones and UTIs? Yeah. Because what happens is the vagina is supposed to be acidic and healthy and hormones help keep it. It is the hormones, the estrogen and the testosterone
that keep healthy bacteria growing in the vagina and suppress or lower the bad bacteria. So there really is a vagina microbiome. Trevor Burrus There is and hor there's there's no probiotic on earth that has proven to do what the vagina needs quite like hormones. Hormones make the tissue go from
uh not acidic to quite acidic and it is that acidic environment that protects it from infection. And so perimenopause and menopause or other situations happen and it changes that microbiome so the good bacteria are are lower and the bad bacteria start to grow, which can increase your risk of infections.
And sex, right? Sex is a contact sport. So uh you're bringing the outside environment into the inside environment. Uh ejaculate is also not acidic, and that can change the microbiome as well. And so we know women who are sexually active also have an increased risk of urinary tract infections. So again, like a plant needing water.
Vaginal hormones help support the vagina and the bladder to maintain that acidic environment. And research has been clear since the nineteen nineties that using vaginal hormones prevent UTIs, urinary tract infections, by more than half.
So what have we got here in front of me? All right, so there's a bunch of different ways you can give yourself vaginal hormones. The most common way is a cream. Now this cream is uh$14 on Mark Cuban's pharmacy and it lasts about two and a half months. Now this cream that comes with an applicator which you don't ever have to use if you don't want to.
But what you can do is you wanna use one gram of this cream, so this amount
Is one gram of this cream. We'll put it on this paper here.
To show you
one gram of this cream rubbed into the v vagina. So you take it, you can take it on your fingers and rub it into the walls. Like you if you put sunscreen on your face, you don't blob it on and walk out the door. You rub it in so it doesn't look all white and filmy. So you put it in you take it with your finger
And you put it in the vagina and you rub it into the walls of the vagina and you can rub it on the outer this area as well at the opening. Let me try the vagina, but my gosh.
So you take
The
This w what is this cream called? Estradial cream. Estradial. Take it on your finger.
You rub it.
Inside the walls of the vagina on the other. And just rub it in like you would rub sunscreen on your face.
And if you do that twice a week, you can prevent death from urinary tract infections. You can help with urinary frequency, urinary urgency leakage, you make sex not painful and dry. It helps with arousal and orgasm. It's literally better than Viagra. And this is over the counter in the UK. In the United States, you need a prescription.
Um, but it's as little as$14 if you use Mark Cuban's online website. It should be covered by your insurance. Now, some women hate creams, and so we have things that are not as messy as what you're showing right there. And we have little tablet inserts. So here is uh it comes with an applicator. And so what a woman does is put this in her vagina
And press a button.
And this little tablet. So instead of a cream, you could just put this little tablet in twice a week, and that does the same thing as the cream.
Okay, so it's a little less messy. So people tend to like the creams better. Now if you really don't want to do anything twice a week, this is a ring that goes in the vagina and it can stay in there for three months. Now this it's sort of like a tampon. You can kind of put it in the vagina and the vagina does not feel it.
By the way, the vagina is not very sensitive in terms of uh nerve endings. And so uh when women put tampons in, they don't feel them. When you put this ring in that you wouldn't feel it either, and it would stay in for three months at a time. It's quite it's quite quite a big ring. Vagina can hold uh like a bowling ball of a baby can come out of a vagina, so it can actually uh withstand quite a lot of
volume. And there's a chemical inside this ring that's gonna diffuse. Estradi that slowly diffuses estrogen for the ring. So that's nice for women who have dementia, who have very bad dexterity with their fingers, they're in a nursing home.
Uh for someone who's on the go and they can't remember something twice a week, so our ADHD patients like things like that. And so there's just different it's all the same stuff. It's just in different formulations. Now the one different one, this is something called DHEA. Now DHEA is the precursor hormone.
To estrogen and testosterone. And remember I said the vulva, the vagina, the bladder need testosterone too. So this is a a chemical that
converts into estrogen and testosterone. And so DHEA is a supplement you can buy, you know, sort of in the in the supplement aisle, but if you put it locally in the vagina, this is an FDA approved product, it's called intrarosa. And if you just put this in the vagina
Uh uh it's meant for every night, but you can do it twice a week.
Um it it melts at bedtime when you wake up and it prevents U T Is, it helps with pain with sex. And just to be clear again, so you think
A lot of people should be taking these these things. I believe it's preventative. So I think and we wrote guidelines uh by the American Urologic Association, uh why this is so important, how to do it. So many women have symptoms of urinary frequency, urgency, leakage, uh urinary tract infections, pain with sex dryness.
And this is a safe option for all of those women. Does that make sense? It does make sense. And one of the things that doctors sometimes tell their patients to
Take to help with the UTI situation is
Okay, this is a disaster. So
Women get urinary tract infections a lot. And so what do we tell women? Pee after sex, wipe from front to back. Like that's not data driven, by the way. That's all a folk folktale. Like that's that's folklore. There is some data that cranberry pills can help uh with preventing UTIs, but the uh amount that you'd have to drink
is uh very sugary and diabetes inducing and it wouldn't taste that good. And so they're they do make pills, but it's a small these things are small things that help. Drinking lots of water can help. But vaginal hormones, vaginal estrogen or vaginal DHEA, which we just showed a bunch of, prevent UTIs by more than half.
They don't just prevent UTIs, they help with urinary frequency, urgency, leakage, pain with sex. They help your arousal, they help your orgasm, and they're safe for every age with every medical problem. If you've had cancer, blood clot stroke, any problems at all, vaginal hormones are safe.
And could save your life, and so this is such an important topic.
My my partner's thirty three years old now. She's not yet in the perimenopause stage.
At what point does someone start taking HRT? Is it when they are
In the menopause stage, which is defined as
twelve consecutive months without your period. Is it when they're post menopausal? Is it in
Perrymenopause. Yeah. This is a very important question, because it's not a one size fits all. At this age, start this medicine. It's really when people start having symptoms. And so I'll give you an example. So say your partner um
gets pregnant, okay, and you decide to have a baby. Her estrogen is gonna go to ten thousand uh for nine months. It's gonna be super, super high. And the day she gives birth, it's gonna crash to zero. So you go from super high hormones down to zero. And if she chooses to breastfeed or pump or or do any of that
They stay extremely low in the menopausal range for the entire time you're breastfeeding. So when you are breastfeeding or pumping or doing anything, uh, and your periods don't come back, you're basically menopausal. And what are the
Symptoms then so if you just had a baby, you're breastfeeding. She may have hot flashes, she may have night sweats, she may, you know, uh have urinary frequency, urgency, leakage, there's all sorts of symptoms that come with that. And so we call this the genito urinary syndrome of lactation. And so there's s all sorts of hormonal changes that can happen at that time. So
We see a big need for vaginal hormones in this patient population. It's safe for the breast milk, it's safe for the baby. It doesn't cause any problems, but it can really help with all of those uh symptoms. Now say she is done having babies and now she's thirty-eight, thirty-nine, forty.
And she is doing fine and she has regular periods and she has no symptoms and no problems, she may not need anything at all. But what if she starts getting a lot of urinary tract infections or having dry, scratchy, painful sex, or her libido just doesn't feel it sort of feels like back at when it did on birth control pills. That may be an indication where she may benefit from
Whether it's testosterone or vaginal hormones or some kind of combination. What if she's forty three and her sleep starts to get really bad and that may be an indication for progesterone. I have a patient
Who was uh having hot flash and night sweats and brain fog and fatigue. I see her and she says, I will not take hormone therapy. It's not safe. My mother told me it causes cancer. At no point am I gonna do this. I said, Okay.
We had a long conversation. I shared data and papers and we did a shared dis we we just worked with each other. And I wasn't pushing anything on her, but ultimately she started with vaginal hormones. Her orgasms come back, her arousal gets back, and she comes back to see me and says Ruben.
What are you doing here? I'm feeling much better. Like this is you've given me my life again. I'm not uh peeing in the middle of the night, so I'm sleeping better. Uh I don't have as much dryness, sex is no longer painful, I haven't had a UTI in months. What else do you got?
Well, she was still suffering with hot flashes and night sweats. She had a a bone density scan which showed osteopenia, uh, and she was worried about osteoporosis because her mother died of osteoporosis, uh fractures. Well, if she did whole body estrogen, she would prevent her risk of a of a fracture. She would make her hot flash and night sweats go away, which
would have benefit on how she sleeps and ultimately probably benefit on her whole vascular system. And so she started estrogen and because she had a uterus, she took progesterone at night and she said, Well, my libido is still a bit low. We looked at her testosterone, we had a little bit of a little bit of a little
We said testosterone will likely help with your libido, but it's gonna take four to six months. So four to six months, she comes back to see me. Not only is her libido so much better, but she feels that she has the cognitive ability to enrol in law school.
Like this woman literally decides that she wants to change the trajectory of her career and enroll in law school. And her brain is working in like ways she hasn't seen it in so long, and she is competing against 22 year olds in law school. And when I tell you she finished at the top of her class, she finished at the top of her class.
Whereas she said, I would have never even considered this opportunity uh if I hadn't been doing all of these things. So in she's in her now she's in her sixties.
And so that's why I'm so loud about these things, because what other organ in medicine do we let fail completely?
before we like do something about it.
We don't make you go blind completely before we give you eyeglasses. We don't let your kidneys run out completely before we give you dialysis or medications to help your kidneys along. We don't let you go into full liver failure before you get the transplant. Like this idea of your ovaries have to fail and you have to suffer for twelve months before someone intervenes is insanity.
But for some women they do start H R T during the
Perry Man of Cosmal Face. Yeah.
And for some they start it during menopausal, postmenopausal stage. Correct. And it's all depending on how you how you're feeling. It's all depending on how you're feeling and what you want, what your objectives are.
Okay.
But it's never too early to start, necessarily. Not necessarily. Like so again, we give birth control all the time to people in their reproductive years. Birth control is just high dose fake hormone therapy. Right. So we're giving women hormone therapy as young as in their teens, right, to help with
different things in birth control, but so it's so if you think of it as all of it is some form of hormone therapy, it just depends are we using the natural form of hormone therapy, are we using the synthetic hormone hormone therapy? We have to get comfortable with hormones at all ages. And the thing that we see most commonly, Steven, is sort of what we call NFLM
Not feeling like myself. I love that statement because women are coming to the doctor every day saying, N FLM, I'm not feeling like myself, and they're getting dismissed. And the truth is there are often hormonal reasons
Why you may not be feeling like yourself. So for some people, it might be musculoskeletal pain. So we see plantar fasciitis and frozen shoulder, and we think of as those having underlying hormonal causes as well. So there's published data that less than nine percent of Medicare patients are getting prescriptions for this. More than 75% of people in
And large database uh collections are not getting prescriptions for this. And so women are not getting access to generic medications that could save their lives and also really improve quality of life. I don't know about you, but dryness, pa people are not having sex anymore because of the pain, the dryness, the irritation when it's fixable.
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You said, um, earlier that one of the questions people come to you about is pain during sex.
Why are w are women experiencing pain during sex? What is what is what is going on there physiologically? Aaron Powell Yeah, pain with sex is actually not rare at all. There are some published reports that up to seventy five percent of women will say at some point in their life sex is painful. So a really dumb question here.
Sex is not supposed to be painful. Sex is not supposed to be painful. If sex is painful, you need to figure out why it's you deserve a diagnosis. You deserve an answer. You deserve to understand exactly why sex is painful. You could have a problem with the tissue. So a s you could have a skin problem.
Which as we know the tissue of the vulva is very hormonally sensitive. So that tissue could be impacted by hormones. It's skin, so people can get eczema. They can get uh autoimmune skin conditions, so you may have a skin condition. You may have problem with your muscles. So remember the vagina and the vulva are surrounded by these
big pelvic floor muscles, and just like you can get tight muscles in your neck uh and in your back, you can get tight muscles in your pelvis. We also know there's nerves that are involved in this area. So if you have a back problem and you feel it running down your leg, right, that's called sciatica or sciatica pain.
You can have a back problem that actually causes you to have pelvic pain. So we see people with penis pain or vulva pain because of problems in their spines. If you have scar tissue inside your body from endometriosis that's pushing and scarring this tissue from the inside, you may have pain with sex. And so there are many different
things that can cause pain with sex. But remember I said your OBGYN got almost no training in this. So if if I'm currently experiencing pain during sex as a woman,
What advice would you give them? What should they do? Yeah. So I would uh really try to see someone who has an active
interest in this, see a specialized gynecologist or a specialized urologist who has an interest in pelvic pain. And you may need a couple of opinions. Just like if you go to the first plumber, you want to get a couple quotes on well who's gonna do the best job, it's okay to see a few different people for this problem. And in terms of prevalence, up to 75% of women as you say will experience
experience painful intercourse at some point in their lives. Between ten and twenty percent of US women suffer from persistent chronic pain during sex, and during menopause it climbs drastically.
Um, with estimates ranging to twenty to almost half

Having pain during sex.
And that probably doesn't even add to the people who stopped having sex because either they don't have a partner or because they it's too painful to even consider it. And I think it's important to know that hormones play a fundamental role here. Not a c like a not it's not the whole story, but it's a huge part of it. In different seasons of life, if um
If a woman wanted to have the best sex of her life, one of the fundamental things you'd aim at
To make sure she can have the best sex of her life. Yeah. So as uh, you know, this is diary of a CEO. So I love how you s you love the health topics, but obviously financial literacy is really important to y for you to help people because for some reason people stink about talking about money and talking about sex, and yet we all wanna be really great at both, right? We all want a lot of money and we all wanna have great sex.
Sex and yet people stink at talking about it. They they don't know the fundamentals, they don't know the basics. And so I actually use financial literacy sort of as a as a framework in how we talk about good sex. And so you've got your savings account.
And your cat, you know, your your checking account. Those are the those are the basics. Everyone needs money in their checking and savings account, right? That's what everybody needs. So that's gonna be your education, your nutrition, your exercise, your sleep, your your your communication.
Uh, safety. Like are you safe in your relationship? Like the basics. Are you doing the basic things you need to have great sex? You know, communication, it's probably the most important thing. Can you talk about it? Can you use words? Um, can you explore? Can you ask questions? So so that's really important for great sex. Then there's the 401k, right? The 401k is something that we all
want and should have access to, right? It's important for compounding growth and long term support of your financial life. Think about hormones. Think about going to a doctor who's going to make sure that everything is optimized the way that it should be. Your pelvic muscles are in good condition, your mental health is in good condition, you know, do you have a do you need a sex therapist?
Do you uh want to bring toys into the bedroom and devices to have even more fun? That's kind of like the really important. Not everybody has access to it. Not everyone's gonna do it, but I think it's really, really important for everyone to talk about. Then there's like
crypto. Okay so crypto, that's not to say don't do crypto, but like don't put all your money in crypto. Don't do everything and don't start with crypto. So that's gonna be when you're watching you're scrolling Instagram and you see these ads for do this injection, do this
you know, cosmetic procedure, do this uh supplement that's going to make sex great again. Uh the truth is, if it looks too good to be true on TV and in the ads, like it probably isn't going to fix what if if other things are are are struggling. So I think great sex is within everybody's reach, but I think
Your great sex
is different than other people's great sex. So let's go through these slowly and one one at a time. I kind of break it down into three categories, which is
There's biological and physical blockers to great sex, which are some of the things we've talked about.
Um hormone crashes, et cetera.
You mentioned the pelvic floor.
How is an issue with your pelvic floor gonna impact your
Sex and what is the pelvic floor? Why would you have an issue with it? What do you see in patients? Yeah, so everyone has a pelvis has a pelvic floor. So men have a pelvic floor, women have a pelvic floor. It just means the bones of your pelvis, so your hips, right, and your pelvis bone, your butt bones, all of this is this big bony structure that holds all of your organs in place.
And your genitals are attached to this pelvic floor. And the pelvic floor is surrounded by thick, big muscles. So if we look at the inside of the pelvic floor, it's these big thick muscles. And muscles are uh just like your biceps, right? Like muscles are something that contract and relax.
And there can be problems with muscles, right? Just like if you work out too much and you've got a sore
trap and you gotta go get it massaged and and or you gotta do physical therapy because your shoulder is hurting. A lot can go wrong with the pelvic floor. And so sex is a contact sport. So if you're gonna get erections, if you're gonna have an orgasm, if you're going to allow for penetration to happen, you have to have healthy muscles because you're asking your muscles to contract
And relax in a sexual way. And so as blood is flowing through the area, blood is going to engorge the clitoris and it's gonna get bigger and erect, it's gonna engorge the penis, it's gonna get bigger and erect. These muscles are gonna have to relax so that you can have
Penetration, because if they're too tight, tight muscles are painful. They're sore. They're they're they burn. And so penetration can happen if you're relaxed, but then orgasm is a series of muscle contractions, which equates to pleasure and release.
Which is all has to do with the nerves and the muscles. Does does that make sense? I'm trying to understand how the pelvic floor would im would give me bad sex and
How I would know if the pelvic floor is the reason I'm currently having bad sex. Yeah. So if if sex hurts, so if the muscles are too tight and you can't have penetration, but you want it, that can be bad sex. If orgasm is painful.
Weak.
Or impossible. It could have to do with the muscles. It's not always the muscles, but it could have to do with the muscles of the pelvic floor. If arousal, your ability to engorge and lubricate
Are diminished or less, that could be due to pelvic floor because you're not getting enough blood flow to the area. And so there are multiple different ways. And if you're not feeling your genitals, you watch something sexy on TV and then you feel it in your genitals, or you see someone attractive walking down the street, you feel it in your genitals. There's this brain genital connection.
And sometimes that you so you have to have perfect wiring in of your nerves, your hormones, and your muscles. And so that could be affected by your pelvic floor. Now we do a lot to mess up our pelvic floor, by the way. People do surgery, people have babies, uh, people um muscle uh health changes for many reasons. And so
when you have problems, there may be biological reasons to these problems. Should we be going to the gym and like doing pelvic floor exercises to improve our sex lives. You typically don't do them at the gym. Um there are typically trained physical therapists who help you know what's going on with your pelvic floor. So for some people it's to strengthen it and to do like
almost contractions, we call them Kegel exercises, but for many people it's just learn the coordination. And you can go and get an exam. You can go get an exam and work with a pelvic floor physical therapist. So some women
Uh,'cause we sometimes have them write in with questions, talk about the fact that they're they're not having orgasms.
Is that normal or is that not normal as it relates to um sexual contact? So about twenty percent of women will say that they can't have an orgasm.
And the real question, I'm I've I'm fascinated by this data, because not twenty twenty percent of men do not have orgasm problems. And so again, if we go back to the financial uh literacy equation, we have a pay gap in this country, right? Women are not paid as much as men.
Well, women are not orgasming as much as men. And so the data's very clear there. And I think the majority of problem is education. Women think that orgasm comes from penetration. Surely if the in and out penetration is happening, I should be able to have an orgasm. And the truth is that's not how most women orgasm. Some can.
But the reason why women don't orgasm from penetration is because the clitoris is up here. So the clitoris is how women orgasm.
Right. Penetration is not how most women orgasm. Just like if you rub your thigh over and over again, you're not gonna have an orgasm. Now you could keep rubbing your thigh for the whole duration of this podcast.
You still won't have an orgasm because it's close to your penis, but it's not actually your penis, which is where men have orgasms from. And so the clitoris, if you follow those labium menora, those inner wings, you get to the hood of the clitoris or a foreskin. We call it a prepuce. And that
If you pull it back, you see what is the tip of the head of the clitoris. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. The clitoris is this huge structure.
My necklace is, of course, a a gold clitoris. Um the this a huge structure that goes all the way down to your butt bones. It's a penis. Under the microscope it looks like a penis. It is made up of the same tissue as a penis. It works exactly the way a penis does. It's just that we have a whole field of medicine devoted to the male penis. I'm a urologist.
And no one is even taught how to examine a clitoris or where it is. So if the penis is going in here, or a toy, or a finger, or a device, that is not activating the the clitoris, which is a mostly internal structure. There's something called a
Clitoral adhesion, which people don't know about as well, which I've heard you talk about before. Yeah. What is that and how many people suffer with that? Yeah, so the clitoris has this hood to it, okay and about twenty three percent of the time the hood can get stuck to the head. So for example, I'm wearing a sleeve here. So you should be able to pull back the hood of the clitoris.
To see the whole head. It looks like a mushroom. You know how penises have like that almost like a mushroom rim rim around it. So the clitoris should have that too. But about twenty three percent of the time it gets stuck. So you actually cannot see the full head of the clitoris. It's called a clitoral adhesion. And so you should be able to pull it back, but in
About a quarter of the time you cannot. And we published data that if you remove these adhesions in an office based, very simple procedure, we saw
Improvements in orgasm arousal and satisfaction up to sixty to seventy percent. Yeah.
have a clitoral adhesion. Yeah. And when solved, improves their sexual satisfaction by up to sixty percent. Yes, but no one's examined any woman in your life, no one has ever examined their clitoris.
Ever.
in any exam, in any doctor's visit, and nobody's asking women about their orgasm, about their satisfaction, where like they come in with pain or they come in with libido issues, but no one is examining this part of the body.
And so it's this question of is it'cause we haven't or cause we shouldn't
It's'cause we haven't. We haven't we have never done this before.
You pulled up the sex toys there. I think we were talking about
Orgasm. So again, when you were talking about orgasm and how women experience pleasure.
It's all buried inside the body. So if your penis was entirely inside your body, say you gained five hundred pounds, okay? And your pe your belly was so big you couldn't hold on to your penis to to do what it takes to have an or how would you orgasm?

Uh probably the vibratory would be a gajillion dollar industry instead of just a billion dollar industry because vibration can help activate this blood flow and so for women vibration on the outside can be extremely helpful because remember the clitoris is kind of around this area.
And so by putting vibrators on the outside. Now inside you can also have pleasure, but not everyone experiences pleasure the same way. And so understanding devices and trying different things is really, really important.
Oh here we go. Okay, so this is vibrating now. So this one, this kind of device is interesting because it is a wand that can help just like with trigger points. So if you have pain in in these muscles, this can go inside, vibrate to help with engorgement, but can also get rid of some of the tension in some of those muscles. As men, what are we getting wrong?
in heterosexual relationships when we're trying to arouse our partners, um, both in the context of using sex toys, but also without sex toys. What is it that we just don't understand?
I think that men
Are constantly asking about they want their penises bigger.
harder, straighter.
Girthier.
uh lasting longer
And none of that has anything to do with how women experience pleasure and and satisfaction in the bedroom. And so the question needs to be, how do women experience pleasure? What is their anatomy like? How can we activate the clitoris, the arousal response?
What are the brain things that we need to do to make women interested, right? What what gets women excited because it's different than what gets men excited. And your part every partner's different in terms of what gets them excited. And I would love to see more curiosity. I wish everyone was were as curious as you about what do we need to learn about
women and how they behave and how they act and what they want. Yeah, so you know I'd like to implement it tonight. Communication, right? It's that question. And also understanding that your partner never got told any of these things. And so this is where watching this podcast together
could be really helpful to say, did you know that? Was it what do you like? Do you know like can we look at your clitoris together? Like do you know what these body parts are called? Where is it that you experience Petra, because some people find direct stimulation of their clitoris is too sensitive because we know that clitoris has like 10,000 nerve endings.
So going directly over the clitoris can sometimes be too much. Some partners love it. Some partners want more stimulation on just the outside here. Some people need vibration. So that's another big problem. So she's gonna orgasm at some point if this is sufficiently stimulated. If there's sort of a build up and release of pleasure, right? That's orgasm. And again, that is
Often not happening during penetration. And once she experiences that
What happens immediately after for her. Because I know from a man's perspective, if I orgasm there's some kind of like decline in arousal and I don't want you to touch it again. That's very similar in women. Okay, so it's the same thing. Except women can bounce back faster. Not all of them, but but but women can have multiple orgasms. So she orgasms, it's very, very sensitive. She doesn't want me to touch it for a while. Yeah.
And then she c she potentially could bounce back faster. She could potentially. Some people do, some people don't, but that's the conversation of is this something that is pleasurable? Is this something to try again? Is multiple orgasms something that you want to have or try to have? When does penetration happen during the dance? Because oftentimes men orgasm and then they're done, they roll over, go to sleep, whatever it is.
Is the orgasm happening after your orgasm, before your orgasm? Is it happening before and after your orgasm? Like are there'cause that could be a nice way to sandwich it of like there is, you know, giving the the sensitive tissue some time to rest.
Then your orgasm happens and then you potentially go for round two.
Sensitive.
pleasurable part is on the outside here on the clitoris.
Then what do they get from penetrative sex if the the sort of main event is h here in the clitoris? Many times nothing.
Any times connection.
Many times uh sort of this need for closeness and pleasure. Many times there are women who have extra nerve endings sort of inside the vagina, on the top of the vagina, in the cervix. So there are women who love penetration, but many women get the main event from the clitoris and
And so it's part of the whole menu as opposed to penetration is the whole story. And I think every woman's body is different. And so kind of making these broad statements of every partner likes this, but many women are asking for penetration mainly because they're like, Okay, that's oh when you have your orgasm, it's done. And then
I can go to bed, I can read my book, I can do all these other things, but the pleasure often comes from that clitoral stimulation. Now, some women can orgasm from penetration. I have a theory. It's a really interesting theory that maybe your listeners can prove with science or help me prove with science.
So you know how there's men who premature ejaculate?
Like who ejaculate very quickly. Yeah. There are men who orgasm in a minute or less.
That's probably like eight percent of men.
Okay, so if we think men and women's bodies are very similar, could we argue that eight percent of women will orgasm within a minute or less?
Theoretically, it makes sense, right? I think those are the women who orgasm with penetration. They're so sensitive. Their nerves are so sensitive that penetration's very pleasurable, and then they have this magical orgasm.
And they do it very quickly. So it's good in a w it's often seen as like great in a woman and not great in men. And so I just have this theory that like there are women who have extra sensitive body parts.
I mean, one of the things I've learned from everything you've said is just like how
Much porn has messed up.
Our perception of
Six?
I mean WWF has messed up our perception of
I don't know.
Like
What people's bodies like exercise, fighting, like like it's all manufactured. And it's all manufactured because that's the algorithm that w has been working to get men excited. And it doesn't like again, it's that question of that curiosity of who's watching porn, what do people want from porn, what are they getting from porn? Because
It's not what women want typically. And it has really messed up people's perceptions of what is actually fun and pleasurable for the partner. So seeing that curiosity.
of like what does my partner actually want? You know, you can have great sex without penetration. And so the question is, is what does great sex look like for you and your partner? When I look at a website, I've got some data here on a website like Pornhub, which is one of the leading porn websites, it says that
Roughly sixty five percent of their traffic
Is
Man.
Independent surveys tracking any regular
Pornography use find a similar gap, but note that women's consumption is highly age dependent. Men between the age of eighteen and thirty five
Seventy five to ninety five.
percent of them report viewing porn regularly, whereas women age eighteen to thirty five, only thirty-four percent roughly
report viewing porn regularly. And if we think about these systems as catering to demand, it means that
porn websites are catering to
Predominantly.
Male
Demand. Yeah. And that explains why for most young men we learn about sex from home websites. Right.
And then we assume that's the w the woman looked like she was having fun.
Um the man was doing this particular thing. And then we take that into our relationships and I think this is where the misunderstanding b begins. And the women think they're broken.
Because they're not having magical orgasms from penetration. They come to see me all the time and say I'm broken, you have to fix me. I'm not orgasming during sex. They have wildly good orgasms with a vibrator, with a hand, with a a shower head, with whatever it is from on their clitoris, and that's totally normal, right? And then you show them the body parts. You said this is
Right, the clitoris and the penis are the same thing. You activate a penis for a man to orgasm, you activate a clitoris for a woman to orgasm. And once you teach them that, it makes perfect sense to them. Like they were normal the whole time. What do you think of pornography?
I actually think pornography is great for relationships for connections. Potentially the right pornograp like look okay, let's look at something like Heated Rivalry. Have you heard of it? No. Okay, Heated Rivalry is an HBO show that came out this year that is about two gay male hockey players.
Okay, it's based on a romance novel book in K from Canada and HBO uh put it out there and it went viral in levels that the world has never seen before. And it is about two young men uh who fall in love, but there's a very sexual relationship between them and s heterosexual women
Have watched this 10 times over. Like they are addicted to this show. It's all over social media. It's this huge thing. It's essentially porn for women, right? It is women who are watching these pornographic uh episodes. And it's really important. They love it. It's supported. Everyone's talking about it. So I don't think porn in and of itself is bad. I think porn, we, you know, watching people
Have sex, watching people fall in love, watching people with in romance, people like that. It gets them excited. It gets them aroused. But I think too much if you are watching porn because and not interacting with humans, if you are watching porn all the time, if you need to if you can only watch porn to have good sex, like then

If you're in a relationship and one partner is using a lot of porn
Won't that kill the sexual desire to be intimate with your partner?
It depends. It depends on the relationship and it depends on what each person needs in order to feel supported and connected. Right. I don't think we can say blanketly it's good or bad, right or wrong. I think if it is good or bad, right or wrong for that couple
Then it's a problem. Because there are couples who like to watch porn together. There are couples where, oh, the maybe someone has a much higher libido than the other person. So you said okay, the high libido person can use porn and then once a week we'll circle together and we'll have a great experience together because it's not everyone's job
To meet each other on the libido. The stat that I was looking at was a couple dozen studies, including a major meta-analysis, show a consistent link between solo porn consumption and lower relationship and sexual satisfaction. The erosion of intimacy is usually driven by deception. Finding out a partner is hiding porn uses
Usually triggers intense feelings of betrayal, rejection and insecurity.
And heavy solar use can desensitize
The brain's reward system leading to performance anxiety and erectile issues during
real life partner sex. It can also create highly unrealistic expectations regarding body types.
Stamina and performance making real sex feel less stimulating.
Again, it was that deception. It's the hiding. If you're that that ex of yours didn't tell you what was really going on, and so you felt disconnected from that person because you didn't get that honest truth of what was going on. But also the desensitization of it. Like it's never gonna you know
I guess it depends on how you're using pornography. It depends on how you use it. So again, that's the truth. You can like train your brain to
Get pleasure in a certain way.
And then when you're with your partner.
One could argue that it's going to be quite difficult for them to replicate that particular way that you've pleasured you've learnt to pleasure yourself. Right. And that's a that's a problem, right? If you're only able to do something in one way, in one position, with one watching one specific thing, that may not translate into great intimate sex with a partner.

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And there's different types of arousal, right? I was I heard from a sex expert I spoke to that men and women often have different types of arousal, spontaneous and like reactive. Is it? Yep. Yep. So there again, this idea of like I want to have sex, I'm ready to go.
versus I wanna have sex because we've started having sex and we've started that process and now I can get into it. Sort of like exercise. Some people are like ready to go to the gym and exercise and other people like I don't want to I never want to exercise, but once they start getting going, oh I know this is good for me, I should do this.
This feels really good. And that's sex for a lot of people. But again, it's also a question of what kind of sex are you having. If you have sex the same way every single time and it's not that fun and it's not that interesting to your partner, are they gonna look forward to it? Are they gonna are they gonna want it? Are they gonna seek it out? And is that really low libido at all? Or is that
sort of a product of like we just aren't talking about it, improving. If you had the same podcast guest on every single week and it was the same conversation every single week, it's not gonna last you very long, right? You do different things, you try different things, oh what worked, what didn't work, how could we do this better? Uh what does the algorithm want us to do now?
No one's doing that in their sex lives. Like h like no one's even talking about it. Like, honey, what's working? What are we like? What's going on? I saw this thing, like Why? Why don't we talk about it? Because we don't talk about money either. We don't talk about sex, because we're trying to be appropri I I don't know. Why do you think? I think that's a little bit of it, but I think the subjects are like
Deep.
Personal emasculating
And
so intrinsically linked as like self esteem. It's vulnerable. Yeah, it's like super vulnerable. So and if someone I remember I had a
Um
a partner turn around to me who
interestingly was going through some of the issues that were undiagnosed, turn around once upon a time and express that she didn't like having sex. And I didn't understand that at like a tw as a twenty three, twenty two year old guy. Yeah. And so you kinda look yourself in the mirror and go, Oh shit. Like it's super ma it can be super emasculating. It turned out that there was actually a physiological challenge she'd had. Yeah
But
We've been in a relationship for a long time.
And she wasn't enjoying sex for because there was a physiological issue.
She didn't say anything to me. Yeah.
I didn't know.
And then the day she said something to me.
Mine I didn't know anything about sex, so I just interpreted it as like
Damn, I'm not good in the I must not be good in the bedroom or something.
Um, which is super like hurtful. Yeah. And then that kinda breaks the relationship down and it's all predicated on this like
Highly emotional, highly self esteem linked.
poorly educated subject which destroys relationships.
And that's such an important story, right? Because
If you had had access
to the information she thought she was protecting you by not telling you that information. And he went to me, he goes
Mine too.
I was like, What? I was like, Y so you're not having sex with your partner? He goes, No, we And by the way, I'm talking about thirty year olds. He was like, No, we haven't had sex in three months. And I was like, What's the reason? And he said to me, She says she just doesn't like having sex. And I'm like, Oh, okay, so that's
That's the same in my relationship. My my former ex girlfriend has said she just doesn't like having sex. And
I can't tell you how ignorant
And
Cool.
And
Insufficient the conclusions.
In such a situation.
We arrive at our
Well like well maybe
Maybe there's something wrong with me, maybe it's a sexuality challenge, maybe it's a genetic thing, maybe they were just b they were born and didn't want to have sex. Like we don't we just don't know what it is.
From doing this podcast and speaking to people like you
I like, oh my God, I just wish like five, ten years ago when I had these conversations with my guy friends and also with my the exponent that I'm referencing, I just wish I knew
But it wasn't.
Any of those things.
Mm-hmm.
It was something that um
Could have been helped. Yeah.
What's so important is that you were able to learn and see and grow in this, right? A little bit of information gave you empathy for this partner where you took it on as a you problem. It became a you problem because it was both of you together, but it started with biology. And so if we
actually taught people the biology or to think about biology or to like be able to talk about sex, to talk about sexual health, to talk about genitals, to make them not private parts, how much better would your sexual upbringing really have been? How much
Less hurt and shame and guilt would you have felt because it actually wasn't you at all, right? It's the it's the horrible conclusions you arrive at and the the conclusions you arrive at are often seen as both unchangeable. And therefore, in my situation back then, the conclusion was, Well, this relationship's never gonna work.
Because the false conclusion we'd arrived at
Mm-hmm.
Uh, whereas when I hear about all of these different things we've talked about today, I go, Oh my God.
There's so many other conclusions I could have arrived at or my friends could have arrived at that would have been
fixable and therefore the relationship, which was a perfectly great relationship with a person, was therefore savable. One of them is the thing we just talked about, which is this idea that men and women have different types of arousal, spontaneous and responsive. And I was looking at some of the data on the variants, which I think is very important for people to know.
And it says that men are highly spontaneous in their arousal, which kind of means from my interpretation, please correct me if I'm wrong, that as a man,
I can literally be I can literally think about something.
And get
Aroused.
And it's not to say that women can't, but it the data suggests that men are more that way inclined. The data here says that spons their spontaneous rate in a man is about seventy percent, whereas in women it's about ten to fifteen percent. It says the responsive rate, which I guess is like I get aroused once the ship starts moving, once we start full play, once
contact starts is ten to fifteen percent in men and in women
in this particular report is forty to fifty percent.
So that would suggest to me that women are much more likely to be aroused once
You know
foreplay or contact or s the sexual actions have taken place, I'm guessing. Mm-hmm.
And then the mixed style.
Is
fifteen to twenty percent in men and thirty five percent in women.
Um is that all accurate? It's accurate and I think it really comes to this idea of
Your path to having a better understanding of that prior relationship
was actually education and communication.
Yes. Right. If you had a better understanding of the biology, if she had a better understanding of the biology, if she were vulnerable enough to be real with you and honest with you up front, as opposed to kind of as bombshell that happened too late, um, all of that pain, all of that hurt probably would have looked different.
Right, it would have looked like the world would have looked very different. Now
That's what I'm fighting against because I think that to your point, I think men are suffering. They're feeling disconnected from their partners. They're feeling a difficulty of even finding a partner. And part of that is because they lack that curiosity of like, what they're like, what do they want? What do they need? What kind of communication
helps me get to where I want to go with this person. And a lot of that is vulnerability and curiosity and interest. And I think that's what women
often are looking for in partners is they're looking for someone who's gonna give a crap about them enough
To care what they specifically need and want, not what gener what do women want and what is it like like what specifically about this person in front of me? What does she need to feel that erotic love, support, connection, lust? And for the man too. Like what do you need to feel
All of those things and what a good relationship is.
Is when people work together to try to optimize that for everybody. So one of the questions that you would ask your patients.
To ask their partner.
To start to tease out some of these things.
Couples will come up to me when I'm at a restaurant or something and they'll come up together.
And they'll always they'll often say to me that the episode they watched together was about sex.
So I I literally have this image of this particular couple that came up to me.
When I was abroad and they said we were just listening on the plane about your sex
Um episode. So I'm I like they're listening now. Like again, I think it's that basic thing of like what does great sex mean for you? Okay.
What what do you want? Like what what is a great time? What's a something fun? Like what is it about sex that you enjoy? When you ask people what do they get out of sex, it's like two hundred different reasons. Everyone wants something different, and everyone doesn't always know what they want. And then having that ability, if you don't know what you want
is having that curiosity to explore together. So w with that said, two hundred different opinions on what good sex is. And this is kind of what I think you find in couples and when I've sat with my partner before and said like what do you what arouses you during sex, what you like
The two things can often be different.
Totally. And so is this not a a problem that one partner might say
I really want you to tie me up and da da da da da. And then the other partner might say, I really want you to
Not tie me up and be really soft and gentle.
And there's a bit of a dichotomy between these two sort of sex preferences. Mm-hmm.
Which means no one's really ever getting what they want. Like how do you navigate that?
when you go to buy a house, you don't always get to choose what house you get unless you, you know, you build it yourself. Like there are compromises in life. And and there is no all good or all bad. You're never gonna find this is actually the problem with pornography, is you figure out the exact porn in the exact situation, or even worse with AI, like you're gonna have a sex robot
Who's gonna be able to do exactly what you want in the way that you wanna do it. And people are afraid about what that means for intimacy and relationships and great sex going forward because the truth is sex is messy, it's awkward, it's smelly, there's fluids.
There's funny noises. There's like it's it's vulnerable. It's like really uncomfortable sometimes uh for to like have these deep conversations. But isn't that why life exists? Like isn't that like the most fun part is when you can kind of have that with somebody else where they know all of you and they wanna explore that with you. Now if it's not
the right relationship. It's not the right relationship, right? Like and and figuring out if that is an important part of your life and it's a non negotiable, then find the rooms where there are other people who do that those things too. I mean, what you will find is that people have all sorts of
agreements and relationship setups and as a sex doctor, like the things I hear in a room like would you know are quite wild and you you wouldn't even believe like people are doing well I think people have multiple like there's there are people who have open relationships so they have
multiple partners or they have certain kinks, right? So there are things that they really enjoy that maybe somebody would look at that and be like, Oh, that's very strange, but there are other consenting people who also are comfortable and want to do those things. There are websites that deal with different erotica and different kinks and things like that. And there's also this idea of fantasy. It's also okay to have things that you think about
But that you don't actually want to partake in and that you use.
On this point of fantasy, what if you have a uh you probably have experience where someone's come to you and they have a fantasy.
But they don't want to t or a kink. And they don't want to tell their partner because they're worried about
The reaction. Yeah. This is where things like sex therapy become really helpful of how do you have a third party. Cause again, when your doctor's telling to do something or bringing something out, it's it's so much less
uh scary than if you're doing it on your own. There are also different like apps and things like that where you can sort of dip a toe where you you you have um there's one called Spicer, I believe, where you can sext each other in ways and they'll push questions. If you both agree, it'll tell each other that you both agree with things. So there's ways to dip a toe here and sort of be curious about it.
But again, that's where watching things together or asking the questions. This should happen not when you're naked in the bedroom actively having sex. Like it's okay to have conversations about sex when you're not having sex, right? Like you plan these podcasts before you actually sit down to record.
Afterwards, you talk with your team, hey, this is what I liked about it. Here's what I didn't like. Let's change this in the future. Let's never have Dr. Rachel Rubin on again, right? Like these are the conversations you're gonna have with your team. People don't do that about sex very often, right? They don't actually do after action.
What went well, what didn't go well, do you ever want to try this? Like what would be fun here? Like there there is often a a lack of curiosity. And to be you know, you're a sex doctor, right? But people come to you and sort of offload their sex lives to you. My job is so fun.
I love my job. It's so fun because people will talk to me about their most full like we do two hours.
And we talk about their lives in the context of their sexual health for two hours.
And people never have those types of conversations, even with their partners.
And it is incredibly vulnerable. It's incredibly important for people to see that and see, Oh
That was actually really nice to talk about. I didn't know this, that, and the other thing about my body. And what do you find that
men and women typically are hiding
From their partners.
When they do confide in you.
I think they don't tell their partners just about anything. Like they don't there's a lot they don't tell their partners, right? Is there a difference between men and women, what I'm not saying?
That's a great question. I would say
that
No one is talking about sex at all. Women are hiding their pain from their partners. Men are hiding their um insecurities and their frustrations and there's a lot of shame around erectile dysfunction and
sexual problems in men and so they a lot of people just either stop having sex or stop talking about it or sort of have uh mediocre sex because they are not that great at talking about these things. And I imagine your I mean my first reaction would be like oh you should tell them.
But I imagine that doesn't necessarily work. I think it's a challenge. Like if you have had if you have been faking an orgasm
for your entire relationship And women have been. Yeah, many. The statistics are quite clear. Like if you're only having penetration and your partner orgasms every time and it's a perfect orgasm every time, I would say there's a high percentage that that's not real because the truth is is
Orgasm often takes a lot of arousal and a like like
Again, stop watch. Every heter if a penis enters a vagina
And they orgasm about five and a half minutes is on average how long men last, right? Like that's science. It's about five and a half minutes. No, if you're longer, great job. If it's shorter, it's okay. It's all within the range of normal.
Women, if penetration is happening, almost nobody orgasms in five and a half minutes. It's usually well over 13, 14, 15 minutes. And penetration's usually not how that happens. Cause again, if you're distracted while you're trying to stimulate your penis, it's gonna take longer.
Women need focus on the clutter. So again, if your partner is orgasming every time within that five and a half minutes and it's like clockwork
I would call bullshit on pr a a high percentage of it. So but but a partner doesn't want to tell you, right? Like they're afraid to tell you'cause they're ja they want to make you happy, right? It's not that they're having bad sex. They just know that that's not what's going to get them to orgasm and they want you to be happy and to feel supported. So
That presents a pretty good case that the woman should orgasm first. I think so, because I think orgasm first will allow for pelvic floor release and relaxation, which will make penetration more pleasurable, enjoyable.
I think women can have multiple orgasms, so there's a case to be made for before and after. Why are women having zero orgasms, men having one orgasm, when women could be having three orgasms and men have one orgasm. So I think we should be actively trying to change the orgasm gap um and focus on the pleasure. And I think making penetration the main event.
is where the challenge I think penetration can be part of the whole story, but doesn't necessarily always need to be the main event.
Yeah.
On the physical blockers, you talked about some of them like anxiety. One of them that I think isn't talked about enough, especially in the modern world, is what they call like the dopamine drain, where you've got
mental burnout or chronic stress, or we talked a little bit about depression, but I did notice that
Through my life when
I'm very, very
Overworked, shall I say.
Uh my libido is not the same. Yeah.
And this is also the case for for women as well. Do you have a lot of women come to you
Or couples come to you where this is quite clearly the problem. This sort of like dopamine drain. It's actually their stress and lifestyle. It could be the kids. It could be
Oh it's a huge problem, right? It makes logical sense. Again, if we go back to the fundamentals
of if you're not sleeping, if you're overworked, if you're burnt out, if you have no white space for yourself, why are why are you gonna have all this excitement for your partner and all of these things? Like if we're scrolling all the time at bedtime, or if we're watching porn all the time, or we're watching reading romance novels all the time, but we're not talking to the partner that we're with, or we're not creating that time.
and space. I think there's a big opportunity for people in our modern society, which is over scheduled, to schedule sex. I mean they do this quite well. So when you were dating, right, and you would ask your the your your date, you know, let's go out Saturday night, you were literally scheduling
Potential sex. You're like, I could get lucky. I'm gonna plan for it all week. I'm gonna get excited. I'm taking this person out. I'm like it's gonna be really fun and I'm gonna do whatever it takes to sort of cross that finish line. So we were always scheduling sex and it was very erotic and fun when you're in your dating life.
And now you live with a person and you sort of they see you at your best, they see you at your worst, they see you at your crankiest and your most tired. And so it's really hard to get that level of excitement.
when you're dealing with those, you know, sort of life circumstances. People will say that that
You know, there's a spontaneity myth around sex that it should be spontaneous, and that's kinda how we see it in films, like they grab you in the hallway and you start kissing and whatever else. It's just the same as WWF. Like it's not real. And so that's the truth is like you if you see your partner every day and you see your partner, you're high and you're low and the crankiest and all of these things, and you're all working like crazy.
Where is the space for that? Like that's not how humans work. So
creating that's why vacation sex is always fun for people. Or they find time, you know, so again, if you've got kids and your kids are staying up later than you are and you don't have a lock on your door and you're worried about making noises and you don't want to be too loud, like how are you gonna have great sex in that situation? One of the I guess the challenges people might also bring up is that if you're scheduling sex
It puts a lot of performance pressure on you. If I know tonight
At eight PM I have to have sex because that's the time we scheduled this week. Yeah. Then like oh gosh.
I'm going to be finishing my work at five, six, seven. I'm how many to have I need to have sex as well. So this is where you schedule it around a time that you know is gonna work for you. So I do I tell people to do things like um quarterly dates. So I get I listen, I'm working in DC, everyone is very high powered with very busy jobs. I say one Friday a quarter.
You and your spouse can literally block your calendars. Once a quarter, because a quarter. Okay, that means we might have sex every week. You might have your your your eight and late night sex, whenever you could might have sex whenever you have sex. But once a quarter, have a day where you just block it out and you have a spouse day or a partner day or whatever it looks like.
And maybe do an act, it doesn't necessarily have to be a sex day, but you actually take time of your little mini vape. Maybe you go on a walk, maybe you go on a hike, maybe take a bath, maybe you get a massage, you kind of create space for you to actually say, Oh, wait, we like each other. Oh, we like talking to each other. We don't have to just talk about the kids all the time. So again, the more you invest in each other.
And in a joyful way, the better sex you're gonna have.
What about self esteem issues? You you mentioned that as well.
Body image issues.
How often do you see that being the blocker to great sex? It's a huge problem. Again, I wish that uh the energy that uh my w female patients put into wanting to be skinny uh is is i enormous. Uh and I wish that energy was put into wanting to be strong, but it's kinda funny because
What people think about themselves versus what they think for their friends are very different. Your best friend, say they're overweight.
Do they deserve great sex?
Of course. Of course they do, right? Your best friend deserves great orgasms, great sex, no matter what they look like, no matter what they weigh. Everybody deserves intimacy, pleasure, and connection with someone that they can have intimacy, pleasure, and connection with. But for some reason when we think of ourselves, oh I can't
be naked with this person. Oh, I can't be happy until I lose this much weight. I don't deserve an orgasm unless I am, you know, skinny. And that's a huge problem. So what do we do about it?
I think it's empowerment, it's communication, it's explaining to people. I think that all of the mindset stuff that you do and you talk about is so important because look, you changed your mind around your own situation with this ex of yours because you got education, right? You were able to see that it was more complicated than that. And I do think my
educating people on
bodies on pleasure, on joy, on connection, on intimacy. I actually think it changes the narrative. I think people we're in a sex recession, okay? People are having less sex than ever. Uh people are not connecting, people are scrolling and they're on their AI chat bots instead of like human connection. We're getting worse at this, not better.
I I I just think that like we have to reach humans and we have to be able to talk about it to change the narrative. What is the um the most important thing we haven't talked about that we should have talked about as it relates to all the work that you do?
I think the most important thing is that biology matters in women and we often spend so much time talking about psychosocial issues, about emotions, and all of that is true. That is important to sexual health, but we minimize biology when it comes to women. And we have to let women
advocate for themselves about the biology, and we need to train doctors to care about the biology. I would love to find out from all the women in your life and the women on your team.
Like
what experien like I would love for you to ask them their experiences with medical p providers. Cause I don't think we have that curiosity of like, what are you experiencing that's different. Yeah, I think that I yes I think that's gonna have to if for me to have like a h healthy relationship with my partner, I think that's gonna have to be
Uh
Practice or like part of our you know, we check in on our relationship, et cetera. But we don't really check in on the physiology. So super interesting. So I spend two hours with people and there are times when the partner comes to that talk. And so they get to hear
sort of what their partner is describing. They even this is see the exam and they get sort of a tour of their own partner's body parts. And so it is helpful sometimes to bring partners into those conversations, the biology conversations of like
She doesn't want to have sex with you not because you're bad at sex. Look how painful it is right here at the opening of her vulve. It's like a sunburn. I touch it with a q tip and she's on fire. Like, what do you think your penis is doing? And it gives that ability to say, Oh, it's not
A me problem, how do I support her best, knowing that this is the issue. So getting partners to understand the biology is extremely helpful. Or say you have a man who's taking an antidepressant.
uh or a hair loss medication that can cause sexual dysfunction as well. Um say you have a man who takes an antidepressant and it lowers his libido. Is it, oh honey, you're not attracted to me anymore, you must not love me, or is it, I actually understand the biology that your libido is lower because of this antidepressant.
And two things can be true. So so I think understanding your partner's biology and your own biology is quite important. Yeah, I guess that's the r the the crux of the conclusion really is that
Both education and communication are where
It all begins.
Which is the fundamentals, right? Yeah.
And I think yeah, gosh, if I had better education on these subjects

I don't life.
And also I had like figured out how to communicate.
With my partner?
Maybe even also with yourself.
And like to be a bit honest with yourself about how you're feeling, not to gaslight yourself, not to gaslight your partner.
Just it just goes to show how better relationships would have been, not just with your romantic partner, but really with all the people in your lives. And this is easier said than done.
Like especially the communication part.
Because these are very, very sensitive subjects.
And so we we'd rather just shut up about them and keep them as these sort of like secrets amo that we whisper about with the closest people in our lives, maybe our best friend. And I just think generally one of the things I've come to learn from doing this podcast as well is that
You know, there was this quote I read. It said, You can predict the long term health of a relationship by whether each challenge heals to 101% or 99%.
Does your conflict make you stronger?
And what it's essentially saying is like conflict is guaranteed in life, but the thing that's going to turn your conflict into a strengthened relationship or a weakened one is
You're how you deal with it. Like and that's all predicated on communication.
And so
If we can just teach people how to communicate, if we can become better communicators, which is both a function of speaking and listening.
And I guess curiosity.
Then all of these downstream challenges and misunderstandings would have a chance of being solved for. And I think about this so often, I think often think, okay, how I'm communicating with my partner currently is really gonna determine whether we have an argument in two years' time or a year's time or six months' time.
A strategy.
Of communication.
Does she feel safe expressing a problem? How do I receive the problem, even when it feels like I'm being blamed?
And vice versa.
And then
Are we open minded about solutions or do we come with a bias around this is the solution, this is what I think the correct answer will be?
I've spent a lot of time, you know, I'm like seven years into my relationship now almost.
So I spend a lot of time thinking, okay, like how do people go how do they build a relationship like fifty years? And the crux of it seems to be
conflict resolution slash communication. That seems to be the crux of it. And actually with finance issues that we talk about with finance experts, or with sex issues, the cruise of it seems to be
Conflict resolution slash communication.
And I also know, because I know lots of couples, uh, we're all living on a different spectrum here. Some couples are like they g come home at six PM and all they want to do is talk about the most sensitive subjects. And then you've got this other group of couples.
Who almost don't talk about anything. They're kind of like strangers that are like burying everything in the c cupboard. And they think burying it in the cupboard
out of sight, out of mind and it's not impacting anything.
Yeah.
But again you come to learn.
Uh
Any problem buried.
Rears its head in unexpected ways.
And uh
You know, thinking of one particular friend of mine who was in a relationship for fourteen years.
Had a baby.
The kind of stop having sex.
Didn't really talk about it.
They become a
Like parallel lines that are drifting apart.
And they get, you know, several years later go, What happened?
Mm-hmm.
What happened to our relationship?
Well he never spoke about it.
Mm-hmm.
So
I think you understand this perfectly and for you to
Um, see it in this, you can help so many people because I think these are the fundamentals. How do we teach young people and old people
Yeah.
conflict resolution is important in intimacy and vulnerability are important in biology is important, science is important. And we can do this. I I just taught you a few things that I know today and you under not only did you understand it, but you were curious about it to ask further questions. And you can now um
Figure out how it works in your own relationship in your own life. You're even caring enough about thinking about your friends' lives. And so if you've shown that this matters and this is important, I just think how many people are gonna benefit by your vulnerability and your curiosity and saying, Oh, I could do that too. Yeah, it's crazy, isn't it, that like if y you love this person so much
Yeah, you don't often love them enough just to communicate.
About some of these like
sensitive, tricky subjects.
Which is like craziness when you articulate it like that. Like I've been in relationships where I just absolutely love this person, but no, I wouldn't
I wouldn't raise X Y inside subject. It's just
It's just too uncomfortable.
And the few times I guess I will ask that you have been vulnerable, has it gone well or not well? Oh my gosh, it's like the most important thing. I just always think why didn't I do this sooner? Mm-hmm.
Uh yeah, okay, so
To be even more honest.
I like didn't have
conversations with my partner about sex at all. Like I just I assume she liked the
I think she
Assumed I liked it.
And it wasn't until you get further into relationship that you start going like
Wait, I don't

This person wants to have sex or
I don't know. I actually have to give her the credit'cause she's the one that started like pushing on the communication. I think sometimes as men we just
You know, th that old uh slightly toxic phrase, happy wife, happy life, I think sometimes as men we just kind of assume that if no one's saying anything then everything's great.
But
It takes two to tango.
And I think expecting your partner to have all the words and to know everything is
the wrong answer. So that's where again that third party, whether people come to see me together as a medical person or a sex therapist or or a third party to help you have that conversation, because I think we assume our partners know everything about their own bodies and can communicate about their own bodies, and that's just not true. Even showing that curiosity
makes you quite evolved, right? And I think that that's the energy that we need in 2026 is ha breaking down those barriers because it will lead to stronger relationships, it will lead to stronger partnerships. And
It's those hard moments that you grow the most from.
You need the words, though, as you say.
Yeah.
When you say you need the words
W what what specifically do you mean by that?
You need to know how to start the conversation, how to handle the conversation, how to receive a subject that might be a little bit offensive.
It might hurt your ego a little bit.
Is this what you mean by like have the words? It's really hard to do that on your own because people
don't want to hurt other people's feelings. And so just saying it as it is may not be the right approach either. That's where, again, couples therapists are very good at holding space for those different conversations. And I think one of the other problems here, Steven, is
Many times.
There's no bad guy. Of course, when it's obvious someone cheats on someone, someone breaks trust, yes, there's a bad guy. But so often, you know, say someone has a higher libido than someone else. There's no bad guy. That person has a high libido and that person has a low libido. There's no evil bad guy, but there is still conflict. And so how do you deal with conflict when
when it's not a good guy, bad guy situation, but you and how do you love someone and evolve with them, right? Like I think it's not easy.
I think your point there, though, is actually
Where it starts often, which is this point of empathy. The minute you realise that there is no bad guy, just as you said it, I thought, Oh my gosh, yeah.
back when I had those intimacy challenges and that relationship.
It was a case of trying to figure out who the bad guy was. I was like, is it me? Is it a me problem? Is it a you problem? That's kind of like what the brain jumps to. But actually, n now that had time passed and we figured out what it was.
Turns out that it was neither of us. It was
Really the whole time.
Not me against her or her against me, it was me and her against the problem.
And that reframe, I think
removes the like shame, the blame and all that stuff that gets in the way and focuses
You as a team.
On resolution and conflict resolution.
Thank you.
You've you know, you said that uh uh uh I will help people, but actually you're the one that's helping people. I'm just asking
Questions.
And uh I disagree. I think it's the simple
Is the vulnerability of watching others
It's the simple stuff that makes the biggest change. Why does this matter so much, Jack, and see it in your face?
Because so many people are hurting.
Relationships are hurting, people's health is hurting, people aren't having as much pleasure and joy and quality of life that they could be having.
Using what we already know to be true, simple things communication, connection, education, basic medical care.
These things can bring so much joy, health, and
great relationships, great living. And I see it every day in my clinical practice. And I want that
I want that for every person out there. And I want them to fight for it. And I want them to advocate for it. And I want doctor just to show up in a big way to help them. And I think we can do it. But I I I am so passionate about this because
I see all the like I see how much it's not being done.
Doctor Rachel, we have a closing tradition where the last guest leaves a question for the next, not knowing who they're leaving it for. The question left for you is
What would be one thing?
You would like to do or improve.
In your life.
Tomorrow.
I would like to get better about practicing what I preach.
because we always say the shoemakers uh kids don't wear shoes. I am addicted and obsessed with what I do. I love my work so much, but I don't necessarily uh spend as much time
um lifting weights that I should, or not scrolling on my phone and pay attention to my children that I should. I don't spend as much time, you know, uh uh scheduling those quarterly spouse dates that I tell other people to do. And so I think practicing what I preach is a huge opportunity for me. Well that's refreshing to hear'cause none of us all
perfect in that regard. So it's good to know that just having all the information doesn't necessarily mean
Um it's easy to
Execute opponent.
Amen.
Um
Where do people go to find more from you? Do they go to your Instagram, your website, your YouTube channel? Where should you where should they go? Yeah, our website is really fabulous. We are very big into research, education, advocacy, and mentorship. So rachelrubinmd.com
That would lead you to sign up for our newsletter, which is really an incredible source of education. We are extending you the the latest and greatest in studies, research that you can be a part of, job opportunities, um, and advocacy for clinicians. We have courses and teaching you how to do this both free and
And uh ones that come with continuing medical education. I would say Instagram is um the most popular for me right now, uh although we're trying to get louder. If only I had your skills, I I would love to be louder on YouTube and other places. Uh we do have a clinical practice both in Washington, DC and Los Angeles, and so if we can help in any way on the
the sexual health side, please reach out to us because sexual health is just health and your quality of life absolutely matters.
I'll link all of that below.
I hope people sign up for your newsletter as well. That sounds really interesting. Thank you.
Doctor Rachel Reven, thank you so much for all of this. Um, I think it's it's so
So telling that your conversations are often the most shared
on the podcast and in generally in podcasting because the subjects are so um
so important to so many people's lives and they can relate to feeling
Not themselves, as you say, but there's very few people out there that have the credibility, the experience with patients, but also
The
the ability to articulate it in a way that's highly accessible, that like you have. So I know that you, you know, we talked beforehand, you don't necessarily love doing this.
But um it's a very, very important worthy course'cause there's very few people that can speak to these subjects with the in the way that you can. So please keep doing it.
Anybody who's listening now, I highly recommend if there's somebody in your life that might want to listen to this conversation, I think there's a reason why Dr. Rachel's conversations are always the most shared.
Um please do share it.
With
Then
Doctor Rachel, thank you so much for your time.
Thank you.