#766: The Random Show — Lessons from Tim’s Sabbatical, Alzheimer's Breakthroughs, Kevin Tries a Medium, Fitness Tools and Protocols, Book Recommendations, and More

0:00 Hello, boys and girls, ladies and germs. This is Tim Ferris. Welcome to another episode of the Tim Ferris Show. It's been a while, where it's my job to interview world class performers from every imaginable discipline to tease out. You guessed it. The habits, routines, favorite books, and so on that you can apply to your own lives. Seven hundred and fifty or so episodes in counting, so we've covered a lot of ground. This time we have a very special episode. This is always a Listener favorite. A recording with my close friend Kevin Rose. Kevin Rose, for those who don't know, at Kevin Rose, everywhere.

0:32 He is indeed a world class entrepreneur, serial founder. investor in the smallest of seed rounds up to the largest of companies. He is a full spectrum, full stack. Capitalist. I don't know what the hell I'm saying. But we did this interview in person at his house in the format of the random show, and what we always do, and we've done this for Ten years, I suppose now. We trade our latest discoveries, our latest findings, what our friends have sent to us.

1:04 And I think it is one of our best. There's tons of actionable takeaways. Lots of laughing fits, and that might have something to do with the fact that uh Kevin invited His friend. And bartender to service cocktails. We cover dozens of topic, new projects, what I've done on my recent sabbatical. Kevin's latest findings in Shenanigans real vampire protocols.

1:26 Apparently that's a thing, and much, much more. It even includes some incredibly bizarre of Kevin having his face assaulted by experimental technology. We videotaped that. Live together. And video is not at all required to enjoy this episode. Whatsoever. Audio's great. But for some extra hilarity,

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2:03 I published a book called The Four Hour Body, which I probably started writing in two thousand eight. And in that book I recommended Many, many, many things. First generation continuous glucose monitor. and cold exposure and all sorts of things that have been tested by people from NA and all over the place. And one thing in that book was athletic greens. I did not get paid to include it. I was using it. That's how long I've been using what is now known as AG One. AG one is my all in one nutritional insurance, and I just packed up, for instance, to go

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7:28 a cybernetic organism, living tissue over metal endoscal. Sure. Hello, friends and family. Welcome to the Random Show. I am here in my studio With Tim Ferris. Tim, you're here in my house. I know. It's so nice. I shouldn't say that my studio's my house. We can still see that's fine. But it's in your it's in your back, cave. I'm I'm glad you're here, brother. It's good to see you in person. It's great to see you. I'm really, really thrilled that it worked out. And what better way? Two

8:02 Get off of my podcast sabbatical. Done with saying hi to my good friend Kevin. By the way. So the sabbatical first time in ten years that I've taken a break from the podcast. And It's been four months roughly.

8:17 Of sharing a lot of the greatest hits. And it's been a combination of feeling fantastic, and I've been working on other projects that are. really energy in for me. My first new book in the seven years that I've been working on. That's not a sabbatical, by the way, but Usually though, in fairness, the word sabbatical is typically used in academic circles. And when they take a break From teaching. They do other things, right? They do other things. And I think you and I, if we're being honest, are both

8:46 Working dogs. Like we can take breaks, but it's like you take a You take some type of Working dog like a border collar, you stick it in your apartment in your city and it doesn't run. And you're like, why is it chewing the couch? It's because it has to run. So for me, to do the deep work. Uh Books specifically, is just a different shift, different gear than

9:09 feeling the pressure of putting out a podcast once or twice a week. Do you think that idea of shifting between those two, like podcast and then book, podcast book, if you had to do that, it breaks up your train of thought too much so or so much so that you wouldn't be able to have Like do you need the undivided time? You need the undivided time. Yeah, and I'll make I'll make a recommendation or something that makes it very clear there's an essay by Paul Graham, so co-founder of Y Combinator. famous for many different reasons. Also a spectacular writer, very good painter also, I believe. But he

9:41 Wrote an essay called The Top Idea in Your Mind or A Top Idea in Your Mind. And it talks about effectively attention as a currency and the importance of There's a separate one, makers schedule versus manager schedule, something like that. But the importance of uninterrupted blocks of time. Particularly if, for instance, you're dealing with a complex project. This is true of coding, for instance, also true of writing, where you're juggling like twenty seven balls in the air. Right. And if you get distracted and you drop four, you have to start over again. And you have to build that rhythm and it takes a really long time. Yeah. So if I'm thinking about the pressures of or the prep for, even if I'm having fun of a podcast. Yeah. It's basically robbing myself of let's just call it twenty, thirty, forty, fifty percent of the subconscious cycles. Right. that I could apply to the book even when I'm not thinking about it. Right.

10:31 I mean, for something like this, obviously we're just bullshitting, but like I'd imagine a typical guest for you on the kind of research and due diligence side is like, you know, is that a couple of days work for you and it can be a couple of days in the case of some guests, it can be a few weeks. Yeah. If it's way outside of my normal areas of expertise, And Even if we look at a few days. It's a lot of prep. It's a lot of thinking about the interview, even when I'm done prepping. which avenues I might take based on answers that go in a particular direction.

11:00 So I take the craft of podcasting very seriously, although it's been a chance also for me, and I wanted to take this sabbatical not just to say work on the book. But to think about First ten years have been great. If I continue to do this, which I would like to do, how do I keep it? As

11:17 exciting for me personally as possible. And if I do that. Can I differentiate it in a podcast ecosystem that is increasingly Oversaturated. Yes. This is the reason I just stopped doing

11:32 Podcast. Yeah. Well, I didn't stop it, but I I cut back to like one episode every six weeks. Yeah. And it's because when I have a guest on, I totally get what you were saying because I remember I hit you up, I had a dear friend that launched a new book, and you're like, Hey, I'm not doing any new books. And when you look at that person, Great book. I loved it. They did 10 podcasts, right? And they all talk about the same thing. Right. So then you're just playing the like, okay, maybe I want Tim's version, maybe I want, you know, w whoever else top ten podcaster out there. Yeah. And But you're you're you're eating Kung Pao chicken no matter what. Right. Like it's just like whose sauce is slightly different. Exactly. And and it doesn't feel Is additive to the ecosystem to just do the same thing that's going around on the circuit. Yeah. So let me get your take. Yeah. Also for people listening, I would love your take. I mean, I'm

12:15 Doing a lot of reflection on my own. So I'm not just outsourcing this, but in terms of rules for myself moving forward, I've thought about a few things. One is to basically take a barbell approach where I'm interviewing people who Effectively no one has ever heard of. Right. So who knows? The popcorn King of Milwaukee or whatever, right? Some master. who has not ever made the rounds. Right. Ideally it's someone, for instance, who's never never done a long form interview like Jocko Willink the first time he was on the podcast or whatever it might be.

12:44 Or on the opposite very far end, it's someone almost everyone would know, right? Like a Bezos or a fill in the blank, but very little in between. Because the the podcasting circuit has largely become twenty or thirty podcasts at a time of Book authors. doing the modern equivalent of a radio satellite torch.

13:04 And I just don't particularly wanna participate in that anymore. Yeah. Right. But with the bases I'd imagine like you're not gonna go like, Hey, tell me about Q four of last year at Amazon. No, I'd want to be like make it more print. Tell me about like how was your divorce? Like or you know, like shit that like you could get into hopefully that is uniquely, you know, that you haven't heard anywhere else. And I'd want it to be evergreen. Yeah I really don't want to. And this is to my economic detriment, right? But I don't want to chase the current controversy of the day.

13:33 I don't want things that are going to expire in two months. I I want my back catalog to be as interesting to people as the newer episodes. And that's gonna mean taking uh probably a pretty major financial haircut, but I'm totally fine with that at this point. Because also You have to think about, say If you're thinking about the economic side of things, like there's the short term and there's the long term, right? If I get so apathetic or bored that I stopped doing the podcast. Well, that's the end of the income period.

14:01 Right. So if I ratchet it back forty percent, let's just say in terms of volume, but I do it for longer over time. And My audience can tell that I'm really excited about the episodes that I'm putting out, which I in general have been. There are very few compromises I've made, but I can see the slippery slope. of just taking whatever gets pitched to you by publicists for the latest and greatest book. Yeah. So

14:22 These are all considerations. I think that's a great approach. I I'd much rather see the the longevity of Tim and higher quality episodes than just banging them out every single day. And I I've really I don't feel like I've made many compromises, but there have been a few where I'm like I don't want to do this kind of interview again. Yeah. And I've also thought in terms of format of basically doing co-hosted catch ups with friends. So for instance, I might have and none of these people have agreed. So I don't want actually I'm not even going to mention names, but you can imagine some of my closest friends who have been on the podcast. who are very, very smart and good at asking questions, I catch up with them. They suggest a guest they think we could interview together. And then I'm catching up with a close friend while we're interviewing someone. That's cool. I think that would be great. I think that'd be super additive to my life. Yeah. And then hopefully that

15:10 transmit in the same way that I think a large reason say the all in podcasts has become vastly popular is because of that interplay. And it's fun. I always enjoy. This type of banter. Yeah. And we got lots of yeah, why don't you hop in. So Addison, are you around?

15:27 We have my dear friend Addison who lives here in LA, who is a uh part time semi professional bartender mixologist. Not really, but you know, he does that for fun. And he also does an AI company. Part time called uh Pick Studio dot AI. В Just came out with a new model.

15:43 And You know how these AI models are changing so fast, right? Mm-hmm. And so I would say, you know, when I was first m messing around with this with him like a while ago It was pretty good. It was good. It was like I used it as a headshot for a couple of places, right? But you could still kinda like look at it. If you look if you squinted, you'd be like Mm, AI, right? Uncanny Valley. You'd be like, Wait a second. So they came out with a new model and I wanted to show you uh we'll see if Addison's gonna make us some drinks as well. I wanna show you a couple pictures of yourself.

16:08 Dude, this is a brand new model. Shit, that's insane. That insane. And we'll put these up on YouTube and other places so people can see the images. That's terrifying. Dude, how real does that look? I'm looking good. This should be your new dating profile picture. No. I'm a little preppy, but you know this is like The ocean looks nice. What's crazy is the kind of full body dimension accuracy.

16:35 Yeah. Nuts. Yeah, he was saying that you can like use the prompt now to say like this shirt type or like your Steve Jobs. So looking at these photos, I would say Even I would be like Did I wait a second, did I take that photo? Did I ever take that photo? No.

16:52 That is Terrifying. I know. It's terrifying. It's awesome though at the same time. Awesome and terrifying. Yeah, so it's and I mean in short order, we're already seeing memes turned into videos. Yes. Right. I mean, it's gonna be The wild west. It already is. It's gonna be crazy. Speaking of looking good though. You're looking great. And I wanna do your your your d your dating life update as well. Oh my god, but but we need a drink first. Yeah.

17:18 Okay. Jesus. One job. Uh two jobs. A I and this. I'm just kidding. Just kidding. Okay. So you speak of looking good, you want to show off your tattoo? Oh yeah, I just got a a little uh crane here. Jess Machete on uh on Instagram, she's amazing, uh New York based uh tattoo artist. She's done uh Bruce Willis, a bunch of other really famous kind of people in the world. I was wondering why you had Bruce Willis on your forum. Yeah, exactly. How did you choose that? You probably know this, but in in Japanese lore, uh children's books and others, the crane is a symbol of uh because of its length.

17:49 that can span heaven and earth. And so it's used as a bridge for souls to transfer between heaven and earth. I I just like that lore. It's like it's cool. And uh so one I got the meditator done by her on the front of me as well. So got got both. But she's she's insanely insanely talented. Very talented. Yeah. Beautiful artwork. We'll link to her profile in the in the old show notes. So You were looking really good on Instagram and you posted that you got a vampire facial. Yeah, vampire facial. Yeah. So I put up a photo which popped up on my phone. It was generated by the phone and it had today, eight years ago. And it was a photo of me from eight years ago. And I realized which I more or less hoped would be the case and really pushed forward to was like, all right, I I lost my hair pretty early and then I looked older than my friends and I was like, I just need to make it like the next ten years and train my ass off and watch my diet. And I think I'll kind of flat

18:42 Line or plateau in terms of how I look. Right. And so the photos made it look, I think like I had largely not aged in eight years. It looked amazing. So I Put up. Eight years on the Romanian vampire protocol trademark, and then I put R V P in parentheses will do wonders for your skin. And it was a total joke on my part. Right.

19:05 Unbeknownst to me though. Well you put you turned off comments too. I turned off comments. Yeah, there's a long story behind that we won't get into, but the reason that was funny is because so many people I didn't get any of the feedback giving the feedback there is a such thing as a vampire facial. And you were joking. And I looked at it, I was like, oh shit, Tim does the vampire too. I'm like, wow, he's been doing it for a long time. He's never told me about it, you know? So what is what is the vampire facial? So about a month ago now. I was at the dermatologist and you know you go in once a year and get your all your awards and shit looked at to make sure you don't have a cancer. And I go in there and they're like, Hey, like, you know, you want some good shit, you know? Like I ha now that I'm looking at your eyes, we you we were talking about like crow's feet and turning them back into crow knuckles. I don't see anything.

19:45 It looks good, right? Yeah, you don't even have crow knuckles. Thank you for the compliment. You're welcome. But I will tell you that, you know, the options they have are all the LA shit, which I don't want to do. Like I don't want to get Botox all my face and shit. Yeah. You don't want to be a lizard cat? Lizard cat. Walk among the lizard cat. Exactly. I mean it just looks horrible. Yeah, please don't please don't do that. But I'm sure it's you could get by with it for a couple years, and then uh then you look like a plastic dude. So now vampire because They are taking out your blood, spinning it, creating something known as platelet plasma plasma. Yes. And you've had that done before. Not the facial though. No. So talk people why you did it. Prior to the four hour body or in the process of writing the four hour body, which is all about physical performance. Yeah. and modification and performance enhancement. That book was published in twenty ten. And at the time I was using PRP because it had been used at that time.

20:36 for certain types of joint. degeneration or orthopedic issues related to joints. So I had interarticular joint injections in the elbows, shoulders, the one you got infected by, was it? One of them was sadly A disaster. Oh boy. And whenever you inject anything, there's a chance that you introduce pathogens through the skin. Now what I did not realize at the time is that this particular clinic who will remain unnamed When they injected the elbow, they used the wrong

21:08 injection site. And so they disinfected the surface level of the skin. Right. But there are so many layers to the skin and the skin is so thick on the elbow that there were staph bacteria beneath that first disinfectant area. The needle pushed that into the joint capsule and then within forty eight hours my elbow is the size of a volleyball. Yes. And I was chatting with a doctor, a friend of mine. Who This was probably eleven PM at night in San Francisco. By the way, this is t twelve years ago. This is something like it. Twelve years ago. Remember I came and visited you at the hospital? What was that? Oh yeah, that's right. And s squirted juice out of your gross. Yeah. So a few things happened. Number one is my very confident doctor friend said, Touch your elbow. Is it hot? And I said yes. And she said, You need to go to the emergency room immediately. Here's the one you should go to. Tell them this. And I did.

21:57 And a few hours later, they're removing copious amounts of just disgusting. Yeah, so I'm in the room. Monster fluid. You hit me up and you're like, I'm in the emergency room or whatever, I've got this infection or whatever, and I'm like, I should go check in on Tim. I go down there. And I was I wanna say Didn't some of it squirt against the wall? There was a syringe full of all this disgusting juice. I squirted it at you like a turkey based on the third. Oh much, sir. Thank you very much. This looks amazing. Thanks, brother.

22:30 Um awesome. Cheers. This is your tequila too that you invest in. Oh yeah. Lalo tequila, check it out. Only alcohol brand I've ever invested in. Thank you. Mm. So yeah, you squirted staph infection at me, you fucker. I did.

22:48 What With that. Looking back at that, I'm like, that was a pretty dick thing to do. Yeah. I knew I laughed. I wasn't gonna get you in the eyes. I wasn't gonna fandom of the operative. Uh but PRP. Damn, this is a good drink. It is a great drink. Yeah. So PRP, to be clear, number one, it's your own blood. Yes. Number two, it

23:07 can be in some instances really, really effective for orthopedic issues. But there's quite a bit of published literature, so you can look it up. But I was unfamiliar with the applications to the vampire facial. So I go in They draw about three vials of blood. They spin it. They come back with something that looks like um grape juice in the vials. And then they they take

23:27 A micro needling kind of like it almost looked like a some type of like automatic toothbrush or a tattoo gun almost. Yeah. And then they go across your face and they first like pepper all these little tiny micro holes and then they lather it with all the PRP. Uh and then you go home and you're a little like bruised up and stuff like that. And then A week later, like some of the lines like just like start to get reduced. Yeah, I'm actually kind of shocked looking at your beautiful baby eyes. Thank you. Yeah. They're gonna do four of them in total. I had to get the package. You save you save some money. You got like twenty percent off. It was a good package. So you know, it's like for me, I'm like, dude, I'm fine getting old. If anyone's listening to this be like, Oh, they're being too vain or whatever, I'm fine with that. I don't care if I get wrinkles on that. That said, yeah, a couple more years of like just like looking okay is like doesn't hurt anybody.

24:11 It's natural, it's my own shit, you know? Totally. I don't know. So helps with dating life. Well I Yeah. Modern dating, you know, we don't have to spend a lot of time on it. A little bit though. Tell me, what is it like on the other side?

24:25 What's it like on the other side? We went to Paris. Well, I went to Paris. How was that? And actually I want to give them a shout out. I stayed as all the women in Paris. No, not all the women in Paris. I went to an artist's commune effectively, or a utopian community. Uh they might not like this description, but Well, it's a it's an old chateau. Called Phaetopia. Like in that uh Money Python and the Holy Grail where that guy gets stuck in that Do you know I'm talking about where we get stuck in the castle and there are we are all but

24:53 twenty to thirty year old women like do you talk about it. Yeah, I mean that was the hope. But it it was it was a broader spectrum of participants. And I have really been making an effort and I think there's a A religious war afo, which is well, there are many religious wars, right? There's like sleep training versus attachment style parenting. Right. People love factions and fighting. Yes. Another one is, and I've been thinking about writing a blog post about this, let's just call it romance versus radical planning. So when I talk about some of the more systematic ways that I'm approaching dating. What some people will say is that's so unromantic. Uh to which I usually reply now What does romantic mean? Walk me through what a week of taking a romantic approach would look like. Interesting. Usually they don't have an answer. What they mean is serendipity, like et cetera. Exactly. And I am providing space for that, like going to Paris or outside of Paris to something like Phae Tobia, which was an amazing experience.

25:52 But I think also If you are, let's just say, I'll think this out loud. If you're in college

26:00 Or if you're in a company and you're right out of college, you there's a lot of natural inbuilt serendipity. Or if you live in a place like Manhattan. Yeah, a lot of people are single around your age. Right. Exactly. Around your age. Around your age. You do social meetups all the time. You don't have things to do at night, you don't have kids yet. Exactly. So there's a lot of space for serendipity. Let's just say you already have inbuilt 30, 50, 60 percent serendipity where if you want to meet literally a hundred plus new people a month. It's very easy. As you get older, as your friends all due respect,

26:32 Beautiful face. Yeah. Age out basically. They're not gonna be making introductions to maybe women who are in the age range I would be aiming for because I would like to have a few kids biologically. Yeah, yeah. Right. And twenties.

26:47 Uh No, I mean look, I'll sure I mean maybe in the twenty eight to thirty five range. Right? Somewhere in there. Thirty six, you'd be like, all right, maybe. I want somebody who's ready, excited to build a family, also has a good sense of their own identity. feels confident in being good at having

27:08 developed skills or passions in certain areas. Like I want them to feel very happy with what they've done. So they don't have, say, resentment. Later if you feel like they've given up everything as it was just getting started. It's a great point. So you want someone that's kind of like they've probably even established a career at this point. That that's what they've chosen to do. They're like they're confident who they are. They're like, okay, I'm you know mid thirties. I'm thinking about kids in the next couple of years, like that kind of situation. Yeah, exactly. Okay. But I've realized, for instance, except gone on a few dates with lawyers or

27:39 doctors in those age ranges they've been through so much schooling, they're just getting out of the gate. And starting to get traction. So it's very hard, I think, for a woman in that position to think about having kids in the next three years. Right. Very hard. Right. After so much investment. in there. education and career and so on. So it's been a learning process. I've met a lot of amazing people. I I think

28:02 That Frankly, if I want to really double and triple down, I just have to spend a bunch of time in a few major cities. What's the biggest turn off for you when you sit down on a date and somebody says something or does something like what's your what's your number one like gonna work? Well There are a a lot of little things, but I think I'll

28:21 Most people would find these. Irritating, right. If someone's late repeatedly and they don't let you know until the time you're supposed to meet, that's just I'm a very punctual person. That's just not being an adult. I want to be with an adult. Right. Who is responsible. If we're gonna build a family together, I need to know you have your shit together. Interesting. Right. That's fair. Uh I I feel the same way. If I'm all even with like a buddy if I'm running five minutes late, I'm like, hey, right around the corner, blah, blah. Yeah. And if if someone's repeatedly late. It means they probably haven't operated in higher stress.

28:52 situations or environments. Because You get punished for that. Right. Yeah. It doesn't work. So that'd be one. And also

29:02 I would say that For me, I'm looking for someone who is a compliment. not a duplicate, right? I'm not like Tim Fairs with long hair is my ultimate nightmare. Like I don't need to date that person. No. We'd kill each other. Yeah. Right. So That

29:18 varies person to person, but for me, that means someone, let's just say you have a spectrum, like a slider in the middle. This is my my working theory. It seems to hold up. So if you had a slider in the middle you have just let's just call it perfect androgyny and let we won't stumble over the terms. If If you want exact definitions, just choose your own. But let's just say that's perfect fifty-fifty feminine masculine characteristics. And then as you move out in either direction, you're kind of about a hundred percent masculine, hundred percent feminine. Yes. I think don't tell me you want fifty-fifty. I think so. No, I don't want fifty-fifty. What I've seen in couples that really, really work well, is they tend to be Equally distant from the center.

29:56 Oh interesting. And by the way, that's not a gendered thing. Like you could have, for instance, I know couples where Like the male is really Playful A, B, and C has characteristics might be traditionally defined as feminine. wife is like CO one's the ship, that's fine. Yeah. But they're equally distant from that center point. Right.

30:17 And that Equivalent polarity seems to work. That is fascinating. Cause I've had this conversation where I find that If you are so in the center and you're like fifty fifty and no one is stepping up. to be either masculine or f or feminine in a traditional kind of like male, female role that we're talking about here. Obviously there's so many other ones out there.

30:38 It's very confusing. Yeah. Well either you do something or I need to do something, but it's like w what is this like this kind of like boring middle. Yeah. Yeah, totally. I mean, I think if you look at primates, you look at humans, it's like we like to know sort of where we

30:55 Stand? Or like what we're supposed to do. What is our job. And so I think that can take a lot of different forms. energetically, like let's take gender out of it. Like even within a company. Yeah. Right. Like if it's a pure flat meritocracy, no job titles, if things get amorphous, it's going to be very confusing. A hundred percent. So I do think there's a comfort that can come. that is hard to put words to.

31:20 with matched polarity. Yeah. Which again is not a gendered thing. It's more a like a a constellation of characteristics. I Just a quick thanks to one of our sponsors and we'll be right back to the show. This episode is brought to you by Wealthfront. There is a lot happening in the US and global economies right now. A lot.

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32:48 Dating scene was. So I want to make a couple of recommendations. Yes, please. Then I got some. Do you know who Bobby Fingers is? Sounds familiar. So Oh

32:57 Always a safe thing to say. I think I've heard of him. Tell me more. So Bobby Fingers. is one of my favorite discoveries on YouTube of the last decade. And uh He is

33:11 One of the most Unbelievably Skilled. Artic, Craftsman, скуптер. Polymaths. He's also hilarious and his writing is incredible.

33:22 is a performer and makes the most bizarre shit you've ever seen in your life. So they're like 10 to 30 minute long descriptions of him making something beautiful and then like hiding it by burying it somewhere. And there's one of the let's say the scene with Michael Jackson where his hair catches on fire and building this entire entire diorama. There's one of the Mel Gibson DUI stop from way back in the day. And I would say that

33:51 If you want to see something that I think is pure genius, So is this a video or what is this? It is yeah, it's a video channel. So if you go to Bobby Fingers at Bobbyfingers on You too. You can find them on Patreon as well, patreon.com slash Bobby Fingers. UT Dot com slash at Bobby Fingers.

34:07 And This guy should have In my opinion, hundreds of millions of views. What's he at now? Is it like big or I mean for what he's doing, I think it is so hard to categorize that

34:19 It hasn't had As much spread as it does. Still decent. Oh, he's doing well. Yeah. But I really feel a moral, maybe a moral, slash immoral obligation to recommend people go check this out. This is amazing. There will be plenty to offend everyone. But it is so genius. And unlike anything I've ever seen in my life.

34:37 I strongly recommend people check it out and Two of my favorites. There are many good ones, but I would say Michael Jackson or Mel Gibson are great places to start. That's awesome. All right. I will check that out. Have you oh by the way, were you doing a Zimbab in this shot or Oh wow, look at that. I'm so glad AI AI shaved my chest for me, too. I am looking good. Dude, that is legit. Yeah. I mean that is if you were double oh seven. I mean, honestly, what's crazy to me about that is how much you actually look like that. How much how great I look in those speedos. But separately is the lighting. Yeah. It looks Real. That's really.

35:15 Because you want to go back to the gym. I mean, why go to the gym when I can just put that back? Exactly. Actually I've been training I've been training very hard recently. And feeling very good. I'm not taking a Zempic, but I have been Using a few different tools that I thought people might find interesting. So one which was recommended to me by A two time silver medalist.

35:36 in Olympic Archery, Jake Kaminsky. I would also recommend people check out his channel if you want to learn uh anything about archery, especially recurve. He is Amazing, both as a performer, proven performer, but as a teacher. So Jake Kaminsky with a bunch of eyes, Kaminsky. He recommended the Outdoorsman Atlas Trainer Frame System. So what is this? I'll tell you the problem it solves. So I own a bunch of rocking sacks. So these are backpacks with weights with weights in them. Yeah.

36:06 And there are a few issues with the sex that I've owned to date. One is that they're usually a set weight. You can swap out these huge square plates. Secondly, they don't necessarily have a waist or kidney belt, so the weight is on your shoulders and not also share it on your hips. Right. And this particular system

36:27 is effectively a frame. hiking backpack that's what very well constructed. Right. And it has plate loading on your back. So you can put Olympic plates on it. So any weight plates you might have. in a gym or that you might buy Dick Sporting Goods or whatever that you could use for barbell, you can slap onto this thing. Oh that's amazing. So you can adjust it in amazing increments and then use progressive resistance. And do you want more weight on your hips? I know I know for like don't get me wrong, like obviously like long term fifty mile hikes or whatever, you want to get the the weight onto the hips. You know, I got my DEXA scan done, which I'm sure you've done before, low radiation. Yeah, it calculates all different types of muscle and fat types and bone density. My bone density is going down. Yeah, me too. And one of the things that Atiya told me and his staff was like

37:13 Rocking. Get weight on the bones. So that you can like, you know, maintain that bone density. Yep. Why throw it on the hips, why not leave it on the shoulders? All right, so there are a few reasons for that. The first is we've talked about this a lot on this show and offline too. I've had It's improved dramatically, but for the last two years, I mean, I've been plagued by incredibly painful chronic low back pain.

37:35 You've had back issues for a long time, dude. Especially the last two years. to the point where there have been moments, say a year, year and a half ago, where I couldn't stand or sit for more than five minutes. And did you you were carrying around that little ball or something you put behind your back, wasn't there something you know I still have that for for un really uncomfortable seats if I have to be on say a plane for a few hours or something like that. Use a little Pilates ball, which you can fold up and stick in your pocket. It's actually great for lumbar support. But the point is, I am specifically training for A hunt that I have at the end of this month. I do not hunt often. The first hunt I ever did was for the four hour chef. long ago. That was twenty twelve, but I would have done probably twenty ten or twenty eleven.

38:15 And I just feel very good about sourcing ethical clean meat. With wild harvesting. And in this case, it's an elk hunt. I've done exclusively bow for probably close to ten years now. But part of that Well some of the endangered species stuff you do, though, I just for some reason I just I know. I don't know why you sent back my snow leopard pancakes. Yeah, exactly. No, in this case, you do it the right way. You get tags, everything is wildlife management, but

38:41 If you're going to do that, you're gonna be at high altitude, you're gonna be In this case it's called Bivi Hunting, I'm gonna be carrying everything. How do you have so many flies in your southern California? Recording studio. In any case. It likes you. Yeah, I know. Love you too, Fly. So you're going to be carrying basically your camp with you every day. And that's probably gonna be between nine and twelve thousand feet.

39:05 above sea level. And then if you harvest an animal, you're gonna be fuel dressing it, breaking it down into pieces, and you might be carrying an additional 50 pounds. You don't want all that on your shoulders. That would also be a very bad idea for me, not that you would do it anyway, in that circumstance, to load that on my shoulders, which would place a lot of that on my lower back, which is compromised. I have I have some pathological issues with my low back and my SI joint. So I shift a lot of it to the hips. You are taking some of it on the shoulders. You have any meat sherpas or anything that go with you? Yeah. I think we might have one or two people who are there just to be part of the trip and might help with caring, but you have to keep in mind, like if you take down a larger

39:43 bowl elk, you might have, I mean, hundreds of pounds of meat. How do you keep that meat fresh? There's a whole number of different no number of different ways you might approach it. given the time of year and the elevation, it's going to get pretty cold. So a lot of folks first would hang the meat as their sort of deconstructing the animal in the field and let it cool down, then you put it into

40:07 meat bags which look like big socks effectively. And then how they're gonna actually protect that a camp or how they'll place it, et cetera, remains to be seen. I am always going out with people who are effectively professional outdoorsmen who make I'm always the slow fat kid. Always. So part of the reason I'm threatening my ass off is to not completely embarrass the person who invited me. That's gonna be awesome though. That's fun. Yeah, it's great. So I'm doing a lot of rucking, also doing a lot of training on activating, say, glute medius performis.

40:40 hip internal external rotators and the more I do that the less the obliques and other muscles. turn on to compensate and stabilize the low back and the less low back pain I have. So that's been another big breakthrough in terms of the low back issues. But honestly, if you do some rocking, maybe some kettlebell swings once or twice a week, some push ups and some core work, you're done. Like you're really hitting everything. Yeah, I love rucking. Rocking has been kind of my three to five days a week.

41:08 four miles each time with elevation. And it's just like You just In an hour and a half. Refill. Coming in hot. What is this? Okay, sorry, I know you like tequila, but uh I'm to to pause.

41:22 Yeah. This is called uh Fairbanks. Fairbanks. What's in it? Aplic apricot liqueur. Oh, this is one of your favourite. I know this one. Yeah.

41:33 Uh there's Yeah, and Rye Whiskey. Rye, apricot, liqueur and thank you. Oh yeah.

41:40 Appreciate that. Cheers. Exactly. Tim has aboard a flight after we thought. Cheers, Kevin. Cheers. There we go.

41:53 Reaction shot. This is one of his favorite drinks to make. That's really nice. It's not too sweet. Isn't that good? And it has the fancy ice cubes too.

42:05 Yeah. Spirit forward. That's in my uh dating bio. Exactly. So Paris for the Well, just tell me tell me what they look like,'cause they're they got a good fashion sense out. Well, you know, part of what I was interested to see, I spent almost eight weeks in Europe, was how does dating differ in different places in the softer out there, though. Not necessarily. Not necessarily. No. So it varies tremendously by country, I would say. And of course, there's a huge range within each country, but say in dating in France is very different from dating in Madrid, which is very different from dating in in other places. It really varies uh tremendously.

42:42 But Part of what um hoping for is finding someone and these these women exist, but a lot of women understandably from a million reasons feel very conflicted and are put in, I think, a difficult position, frankly. when thinking about career kids basically trying to do

43:00 More than any person in history had to do before fifty years ago. Let's not go by the back into this. No, I'm just saying that I hear what you're saying. So what I want to get a real clear signal on is that somebody is excited to be a mom in the same way that I'm excited to be a dad. And that it's not, well, all my friends are getting married. I guess this is what you do. Right. Even though I'm gonna make all these compromises and might resent it later. I don't want to subject a kid to that potential risk.

43:29 Right. That's wise of you. Yeah. So So that's what I'm looking for. And uh but it's not there isn't some garden of Eden where you magically just walk down Whole Foods and pick up you know women like that. But there are some significant cultural differences from place to place. Yeah. So yeah, let's uh let's move on. All right. So I have a gift for you. I have a gift. What kind of you? Oh wow. This is Call of Fino. This is my this is my buddy's uh new startup. Okay. And

43:57 In the self experimenting kind of crazy vein of things, I want to show you this now. Pheno, F E N O. Yeah. So this is a beta. Yeah. Okay. So you can't laugh at me because remember you're gonna be doing this by yourself. Okay. This is not like a flashlight or anything. Okay. What the fuck? So this is a medically proven way to brush your entire mouth in twenty seconds. Wow. Okay. So watch this. Yeah. You put a little foam in here. Yeah. And so there's this they have this little app that custom creates a mold. I asked you. Exactly.

44:36 So This is gonna look a little bit Mouth. Uh aggressive. Okay. So if you're watching the video, mouth aggressive. Also my bio. Exactly. So what you do

44:50 Is that this was created by a couple of founders that you know obviously were one of the was the dentist and they figured out that, you know, compliance is really hard with people say the everyone says they floss, they don't. You know, like I do, but do you floss? Oh, like seven times a day. So so check this out. So I'm put this in my mouth and this is gonna wrap around both sides. I don't know. Uh huh. Mm-hmm.

45:14 Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

45:20 Okay. Whoop! Oh no. Oh.

45:26 Uh. Yeah. Oh. I couldn't stop it.

45:33 I know what you're thinking. You definitely bought that on Pornhub. No, I do not, but it works surprisingly well. I'll try it. I got one for you. Thank you. I gotta say that I do love It has sensors in there. I know that it does. You're doing it by yourself. So you don't feel like you're getting mouth reading. I can see you winking. I can see you winking. It is aggressive, but I will say that Aggressive very it does a very good job cleaning. Aggressive but effective. Aggressive but effective. And it's it's twenty seconds, which is great. They have sensors that actually scan your gums and look at gum health and can it send them back to your doctor. What? So on the device on the device. Built into the device. Okay.

46:15 And so that your doctor can actually see recession and like things are happening with your gun. So it's like a very tech forward device. I had my first real surgery. was when I was a kid for receding ginjava. I actually had a huge piece of my upper well I guess your only palate removed and grafted onto my like sugar and shit? Like what were you doing? No, no, it's just genetic. Like my my gums were receding when I was a kid. It was I don't know how old I was, maybe twelve, something like that.

46:42 It's brutal. That's the first time I've ever uh done that. That was uh vigorous. Yeah, it's um it's like it's like a I'm so stretched upset that I did not video that from this direction. We've got a camera right there. Oh that's the slow mo. We need that slow motion. Ha ha Listen, hey, you know what's funny is like when I was put together these stories for the random show, I'm like, I love if you look back historically at all the years we've been doing this episode. Yeah.

47:10 We've had some of the most craziest, stupidest shit and talked about the dumbest stuff. I mean, we already today talked about you squirting your freaking infectious fluid at my body. Like we've done some weird shit. And so I always try and like to find stuff. I mean, this is like both cool. Every once in a while one of those things. Five years later. Look at that. Everywhere. Yeah. Exactly. Remember, dude, I talked about Ethereum for the first time on the show. Before it launched. When was that? That was God, that was a long time ago. That was when I was st still living in my first place in San Francisco. I watched the clip and I'm like, Oh, there's this one cryptocurrency yeah, you usually do it in care. And you're like, No, no, tell me, tell me and I'm like, Well it hasn't launched yet. And you're like, What is it? I'm like, Well it's called Ethereum. When was that? That was like Twenty four. Like it had to be like two thousand fourteen or something. I mean it was way back then. It was way back in the day. I remember exactly where we were sitting by the fireplace and my first rental.

47:57 In San Francisco. That's a cool spot. Yeah. All right, your turn. What do you my turn? I would say that I can't say too much about it.

48:08 You're gonna hate that. We never asked what your book was about, but anyway. I can't really never talk about it. I'll talk about a superstition that may actually have something to it. So I as well as a handful of other authors I know really well who've written a lot of books. feel like there is such a thing as Let's call it mimetic release. And what I mean by that is

48:30 I think it's Fairly frequently observed that you'll have some in as an example, intractable scientific problem or some scientific problem that researchers around the world are grappling with. And There's almost no

48:47 apparent major progress made for years and years and years. And then within the same two week period, people in all these different locations suddenly make breakthroughs. What is happening there? And what I have observed And again, this is getting into maybe what people would consider magical thinking, but I can't explain it. Doesn't mean there isn't an explanation. When people talk about ideas, that idea seems to suddenly pop up in a lot of other places. Now you could make the argument that that's maybe expectancy bias, right? You buy a

49:15 If you buy a Hyundai. It's a red Hyundai, then all you see is red Hyundai. So there could be an element of that. But there seems to be more to it, which is part of the reason why I don't talk about the key core concepts in a book. Before I release something.

49:31 But I will say in terms of progress, in case w anybody's wondering, have probably five to six hundred pages drafted. Oh shit, it's a big book. Got a lot. Yeah, I mean all my books are phone books. And that is gonna get cut down probably. Well, actually it's probably gonna get to like eight hundred and then it'll get cut down to like five hundred or four hundred. Did you use any AI In crafting this. I did not. Nothing. Not yet. Okay. Not yet. Will you apply that to some of the chapters? I might have a better way to say this. I might apply it.

49:57 in combination with test readers. looking for gaps in the material. Basically use AI as a critic. Right. And try to find uh gaps.

50:08 That would be ultimately helpful to mainstream or a larger audience of readers. I could see using it that way. I did a really cool thing the other day where I took a I created a custom chat GPT. And I uploaded I went back and I looked at every

50:23 single book that Warren Buffett had ever recommended. Okay, the intelligent investor, like all these, right? And I found the PDFs from all there because they're like you can just Google them there. And I uploaded them all to the chat GPT. And I said, You're my investment advisor. Okay. What should I do in this particular situation? And I'm asking questions of this custom saved chat GPT based on all of Buffett's favorite books. Uh-huh. It's freaking fascinating. You know what you could probably also do is take all of his annual letters. Oh yeah. Well a hundred percent. I have that. There's a book about his annual letters that I uploaded into. The green cover. Yeah, they're in there. Yeah, yeah. So cool. So what happened?

50:58 Well, I just got some insights. Like I was asking like My Lucella. Yeah, it turns out it turns out index funds Zul says back to me again. It's like you idiots don't outsmart yourself. Yeah but I mean there's very specific questions you have around, you know, timing of markets or not not that I didn't ask that particular question, but like, you know, things around the markets where you're like, okay, how do you feel about Our current state when We think there's gonna the Fed is gonna cut rates over the next twelve months. You know, what do you think about bonds, blah, blah, and it just like spits back very intelligent responses based on the historic data, which I find is just like I mean, that is so cool. It's really cool. Anyway.

51:34 I'm excited for your book. When when will it launch though? When when we talking, I mean you're Five hundred six hundred pages in. So I've been thinking about A few different options. One is doing it the way that I have done it in the past. Which is To release it all at once as a book launch.

51:50 There will definitely be some new experimental wrinkles to that, no matter what. Traditional publisher? Before you you did Amazon in once, you didn't know. Well, I did Amazon publishing, which at that time you could consider a traditional publisher. So in structure it was very similar. They just had the distribution advantage being Amazon. This time around we'll see. I mean I could very easily see doing ebook audio on my own. Or through an Amazon platform. And then possibly doing a print only deal.

52:18 Or doing print on demand, frankly. Like the quality of print on demand has improved so much. Yes. It's absolutely perfectly sufficient. Dude, I was at Ryan Holiday's I went to his bookstore outside of Austin, which is painted porch. Great, great bookstore. He has the best bookstore. What a life. I love him. He's such a good dude. I went to his bookstore and beautiful. It's it's it's such a beautifully curated art project that is driven by him. Yes. If you want to see sort of a new manifestation of the best of old school bookstores. Visit painted ports. Yeah. And it's like about a half hour to forty minute drive outside of Austin. Uh he's got cats walking around there. It's all of his f favorite books. He knows even has cats. Yeah. There's even cats for the cat lovers. But the the thing I would say that was really cool is that he actually had his books printed, like higher end versions of his books, like leather bound, like super high end versions that he had done that were just insane quality. Yeah, they're beautiful.

53:14 Like and th those are kind of like as you need them, like kind of like on demand. For folks well, I'll give trivia on trivia. So trivia try via re three roads. It's actually these little chotchis that travelers would put down for good luck on their path at intersections of paths. So that's where trivia comes from. But separately The painted porch refers to Stoicism, which comes from the Greek stoa.

53:41 Because early iterations of the philosophical tenets of Stoicism were taught. in this open air porch area. So that is why his bookstore is called the Pentecost Porch. We got fourteen year old toaster almost fourteen years coming to visit me. You're saying he's he's totally deaf, but he still still remembers me. Came up licked my face. You know what he did he's done courses of r of rapamycin.

54:03 Oh yeah? Yeah. So I put him on it a few years ago. And and it seems to be working. I mean, dude, you see him, he's moving around great. He's almost 14. I know. This brings back so many memories. I mean back way, way back in the day. I'm looking at Daria. Hi Daria. I remember recording on your couch. This was back still in Dig Dig days. Yeah. And And Toaster is a little pupper and he was chewing on the XLR cables and almost killed our podcast and killed himself. Yes. And here he is all these years later, wagging his tail. Yeah, I I caught him like halfway through one time a an actual full like voltage cable at a wall. And it's just like yeah, it was So Rabbit Mycin, we've probably talked about it before, but people can check out I'm not sure what this current status is, but the dog aging project, I did a podcast with Matt Caberlin. Yeah. University of Washington, you and I both support that funding wise to fund that empower that study. Yep. Yeah, so did PRT. Um so did um

54:57 Brian Armstrong Armstrong from Coinbase. Like we we all kind of shipped in to see what we happen. Really, really, really fascinating work. So people are interested in Rapamycin for potential longevity applications. Can take a look at that. I did an interview separately with Matt Caperlin, which I really, really enjoyed. What else do you have? I have one quick update, one just for for people to check out. So original love, Henry Shubman's new book, who is my Zen master. Gotta give him a plug. He's such an awesome human. He's a great guy. And uh uh his his app, The Way Fantastic Meditation app, you and I are both investors in. I always want to give Henry some love because he's such a good soul. And he's fantastic. You did some ex so that's called original love.

55:37 You did some training recently and you sent me the schedule, the daily schedule. What did your daily schedule look like and how long did it last? So I went to a five day silent meditation retreat with his master who is the head of the Zensect out of Japan flew in for this. Into Santa Fe, New Mexico. And so I will tell you when you sit with Henry and you do I've done a seven day silent retreat w with him in the past. If it's just Mountain Cloud Zen Center, which is his Zen Center. It's probably four hours of sitting a day and then there's like, you know, walking meditation and a stretchy thing. Like when the Zen master's there, like when the the guy from Japan's there, like it's like legit how weak.

56:15 It's it's hell week for meditation. So I was up at five AM every morning and I didn't get to bed till probably like released at like eight thirty and I was sitting for most of the day. So one thing I wanted to ask you about'cause I saw it in there. There's a lot of sitting meditation. I'm like, Okay, that sounds uncomfortable doing that for eight hours a day. Which you know, I tried once people who want to read about my like Complete mushroom at the same time. And fasting for like six days. Yeah, if people want to read about my self-inflicted implosion, that's in a separate interview. But The

56:45 Chanting before mealtime? Yeah. What's the story here? In Zen traditional monasteries and and whatnot where they have actual monks, there is a lot of it's it's only like ten minutes. It's just kinda r reciting. Try chanting for ten minutes, telling me it's only No, but it it's just like reciting a lot of the the precepts and a lot of like just Japanese? Uh sometimes it's in Japanese, sometimes it's in English, depending on who's running it. Do you have a little like Psalm book that you read from is when it's in Japanese hundred percent. Yeah. I don't even know what I'm saying. I could be like large donkey cock, yeah. McDonald's donkey cock, garbage bag. Yeah, so Triceratops. I don't know what to say, but it it's it's it's quite nice. It's just like a way to kind of like in cap a a a set, you know, and then and then move into the next thing. So good after being totally silent. Oh my gosh. Just to like hear some voices. I know. I I went out afterwards because I was waiting for my plane to to fly out and

57:38 I went to this place'cause Santa Fe is known for their like chilies, like their good chilies. And I had like a'cause like you eat vegetarian food the entire week. Yeah, I was immediately wondering how'd that go for you. Oh dude, I I went straight to a double chili burger and a large IPA. Like straight out the gate. Um which is probably you sent photos. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure I did. Yeah. You to you and Saka. Yeah. That's right. Yeah, so was that disaster pants at thirty thousand feet? It was definitely like my my stomach was not happy. I was uh I was paying for that. But yeah, so I do how much time do you have?'Cause I know you have five. I have time. Okay. Do you a couple? I got a really crazy one. Let's do crazy. Okay, crazy is cut it out if you can't, but are you are you allowed to talk about cloth though yet? Uh yeah. I mean, so Peter Tia did a fantastic episode, which we both I would say would highly recommend. Yeah. With Handina, who is a fantastic researcher at a UCSF.

58:28 She has identified a compound called cloth, which is just Absolutely insane. Yeah. So in fairness, it was identified by Japanese researchers who named it. But she's spent a good part of her career. She is one of the foremost experts in the world, for sure. Yeah. So she did um she did an episode with the Tia that was a deep dive for about an hour and a half. And it is I mean do you do you have the the kind of stats in front of you? I can ballpark it if you want. Why don't you ballpark it. So the ballpark it in my understanding is that

58:56 So cloth, just so people know, is a it's naturally produced in humans. Especially under high intensity kind of interval exercise. So you get more natural level of this. We all have it in our blood right now. As you age, you get less of it. Okay. So The interesting thing in humans that they know is that people that have the there's two genes and the these uh genetic polymorphisms. And if you are an overproducer, if you have these SNPs where you're an overproducer, meaning you naturally produce more of this cloth, though. you just get dramatically less dementia risk. And

59:26 Even if the very famous gene out there is the ApoE, Apo uh, ApoE three, Apo E four genes. Whereas if you are a four carrier, meaning like most people are three three, if you're a three four, you're like something like five to seven times more likely to get Alzheimer's. If you're a four four, you're kind of fucked. It's like eighty percent of people get Alzheimer's or something like that. If you have one of these SNPs. And you are way more likely to get it. But you're also an overproducer of cloth, though. It evens out the playing field. You have the same risk of dementia. So now the crazier shit is like forget the mouse studies. The mouse studies are all awesome. They reverse dementia and all that shit when they give them cloth, though. When you give it to monkeys. Even if they don't have dementia, they like

1:00:05 Instantly this subcutaneous shot. Monkey Limitless. They instantly become like twenty percent smarter, like for four weeks. Instantly from just getting a little boost of clouds. Dude, it's nuts. It's not so you know We're very close to finishing the deal, but at True Ventures, we're writing a very big check that I'm leading around into we're gonna get this in humans in the near and a half. You're gonna participate. A Tia's gonna participate. And I can read quickly. Just for people who want to check it out. So this is the name, I believe it's the name of the episode that Peter has on The Drive, which is his podcast. A breakthrough in Alzheimer's disease, the promising potential of clothho for brain health, cognitive decline, and as a therapeutic tool for Alzheimer's disease. So I have Alzheimer's on both sides of my family. So this is But you're a three three though, right? I'm a three three. Okay. But I have been interested in tracking this for so long in terms of possible therapeutic interventions. Yes. That's why I studied neuroscience initially as an undergrad. Yes. That's why I was initially the very first check I ever cut for supporting science was for Adam Gazali and some of his early stuff. Way back in the day. I've I've also given Adam some cash to go do support. Adam, check him out. He's been on the podcast as well.

1:01:14 And the description is, I'll just give you this very quickly. So Dina DuBall is a physician, scientist, and professor of neurology at UCSF, whose work focuses on mechanisms of longevity and brain resilience. In this episode, Dina Dolves uh Dolves. Okay, that's the bitter stalking. Dina delves into the intricacies. The Alzheimer's juice is the longevity factor cloth, though. It's formation and distribution in the body, the factors such as stress and exercise that impacts its level. and its profound impact on cognitive function and overall brain health. I don't wanna skip over the exercise because While you're waiting for this to be available is a subcutaneous or intramuscular shot, I think it should be uh effective subcutaneous.

1:01:55 Uh by the way, that's the way they've gone into monkeys, it's been a little bit more. Sub Q is very easy. Uh very, very, very simple. It's like using a Zempic or is a Zempic sub Q? Uh very, very simple to do, not painful. Before that is available exercise. Yes. Exercise is arguably the most potent way to increase your circulating levels of cloth. Yes. So uh we're very excited for this. The potential application here is huge, obviously. This is could be the Ozimbic for the mind. We'll see. We'll we'll we'll know more in a bit, and once this gets funded, um Excited to see where it goes. But

1:02:30 I think this is what I love about just our ability finally at at this stage in life, Tim, like I you've done so much on the psychedelic research side, which has been amazing on the philanthropic side to watch happen. And like You know, I started a new sub stack. which is like a paid, you know, newsletter we're gonna have a more private community. And a hundred percent of the proceeds from the first

1:02:50 Month. are going in to find a Matt Walker sleep study in which he's identified some antioxidants that he believes can repair a bad night's sleep. And so Matt Walker, for those people who don't recognize the name, amazing, a super sweet guy, uh brilliant researcher. I just have him on the podcast. Who also wrote Why We Sleep, which was a mega, mega best seller. Yeah. And and Matt's uh such a fantastic, like well rounded researcher in the world. Beautiful voice, too. Yeah, I mean he the his accent. Dulcet of Velvet British tones. Soothing. Exactly. He could read the Cheesecake Factory menu. And I would and I would listen to it. Yeah. So that's exciting. Like I'm I'm very excited to like I think you and I both enjoy this idea of like moonshots around, you know, science. Yeah. Because it's like it's it's severely underfunded and if you do get you can you can do a lot with very little. A lot with very little.

1:03:41 Yeah. Because uh otherwise this is part of why on a lot of levels I find it Certainly as exciting as the startup investing. Yeah. is you have these potentially sort of history bending scientific Developments or discoveries.

1:03:59 that will take years and years and years to fund through traditional grant writing and government support. And if you are able to I know this is not pocket change, but if you're able to cut a check quickly for say twenty five, fifty grand, the check I cut for Adam way back when it was ten grand. That was a big check for me. you can actually make a difference. Can I give you an example? So Dina, who's the principal investigator, uses Etheron Cloth though. I had a conversation with her and I said, Hey, what's the study that you want to do right now on cloth though? that would take you, you know, a year or so to get the grants and like blah, blah, blah. And she's like, Oh I got this one that

1:04:39 You know, I wanna I wanna kinda look downstream a little bit further and we can tag cloth and see where it goes and all this stuff. And I'm like, What does that cost? And she's like Fifty K I was like, Holy shit. I'm like, Do you have the researchers ready to go? She's like I I could start this tomorrow. And so, you know, I donated some stock that were these little tiny distributions that I had received over time. And I just donated stock to UCSF. And now she has the funding and she already started the study like a week and a half later. And it's like, I know that's a lot of money to a lot of people. So please, like, I'm not trying to flex here on the on the cash side, but I'm just saying like Even a thousand dollars.

1:05:12 Yeah. Okay. Even but even like sometimes if you get to know these researchers or you hear about something on a TS podcast or your podcast where you're like, wow, that's great science being done, you can call them up. You can email them and say, Hey, how can I contribute a hundred dollars here? And oftentimes it can be tax deductible depending on the organization and like Oh, almost always. Yeah. Almost always tax deductible. And I I will say This doesn't have to be a super high concept.

1:05:39 Doing the greatest good for the greatest number of people motivation. It can be. But it is so exciting. And gratifying. To

1:05:51 Catalyze. Science that could I think Without Making it sound too exaggerated. I mean, change the world literally in the case of, say, a cloth though. Oh, it's and the and the fact that you can expedite it.

1:06:03 for relatively you know the the the cost of a car. Dude is nuts. So my mom now Sometimes, sadly. Thinks my sister is her mom.

1:06:16 And she has dementia and it's not thankfully it's not Alzheimer's. So we've we've we've been with this for about seven years now. And you know, we're gonna put this in humans in a year and a half. My mom's turning eighty four in a few weeks. And it's like I don't know. There's a chance we get this in it in a couple years and we get some more

1:06:34 Great memories back. We get a little bit more of like even not even the the I I can't guarantee what's gonna happen, but even just like a little bit more. Awareness would be beautiful. You know, beautiful. So it's like this is what what motivates me uh more than anything. And we're at an age also where it's like almost every friend in R same cohort. Is having this experience. Oh, a hundred percent. Right. At least one parent, usually both. I'm sure every there's a thousand people listening right now. And it's uh

1:07:03 So painful to watch. I remember watching my grandparents. kind of descend to the point. Yeah. where they didn't necessarily recognize me or my brother or anything like that. And If you could just add a few years. Right, or cut down on the symptoms by

1:07:21 Twenty percent. Totally so significant. Yeah. for not just their quality of life, hopefully, but also the interpersonal relationships. Yes. The relationships is the big thing. When people go, they go, but just to have that like awareness of who is around you.

1:07:39 When you do go, I think it's just like it's such a huge deal. What else you got? I got some crazy ones. I got more crazy ones, but Bring some crazy. Bring some crazy. I talked to my dead dad uh via a medium. Okay. All right. Didn't see that coming. Yeah, yeah. All right, yeah. Tell me. So My tattoo artist was out here and and and give me this fantastic tattoo, just as awesome. And she was like, Hey, there's this crazy shit that happened to me. I'm like, What's up? And she's like, I tattooed this woman that was a medium and she gifted me a free session. Yeah.

1:08:11 Was it crazy? And she's like You have no idea. She's like Okay. A bunch of people so cute that's just kinda guys. So

1:08:20 You know, I'm a biggest skeptic on this shit. I I I take this as like entertainment value, right? Yeah. And so she was like, No, you understand someone, I don't want to get into her personal details, but someone that was not directly related to her, but one step removed, like uh of her immediate family. Had been shot and killed. And This person came in and said, Listen, I had been she this is not Googleable, you couldn't have found this anywhere, was like, I am the person that was shot.

1:08:48 In this particular location, at this particular spot. Crazy scary. Like really accurate. And I was like, Oh my God. Like and she kept going, and I'm not gonna go into her personal details, but like Enough to where I was like Give me the number. Like L you know, I wanna like book this a hundred and fifty dollar session, right? It's a hundred

1:09:06 hundred fifty. And so I book it. And it's early'cause she's like back east. And that's um I get up at seven a.m. like barely have my coffee, and there's like she goes, Oh my God, she goes, There is this person that is like beating down my door to talk to you. And I'm like

1:09:20 Okay. And she's like this is what the medium said? Yeah. And I'm like, Okay, like uh and you know it's got a start up and please dog cosmetics. Yeah, exactly. They want to pitch you. It's a great pre-money valuation. They only want a million dollars. Like the dog cosmetics are it's gonna boom. Watch. So uh it's the next AI. So uh basically I was like you know, I'm kind of like early, whatever. And I'm like, okay, I'm very Googleable, you know, like I I'm aware of that, right? And like you can find out things about my dad and stuff like that. And she's like the it's a man. He passed from some heart

1:10:00 Tension in my dad died have a heart heart stroke. I'm like, Okay, well you can Google that, you know. And then she's like describing All kinds of stuff, and even including like a fight with my mom the night before Little tiny bit. So my sister did it too, and we didn't tell them we were related'cause my sister has a different last name. Oh nice. And so with my sister it was like

1:10:21 Oh, he's good with numbers, he was an accountant. And he was just like saying that He kept saying the number three is there is there and she's like is there a Third sibling, and I've never told anybody this, but I have a half sister that I didn't know about that's never been on the internet. And I was like, I started sobbing too immediately.

1:10:39 Because Like I get that it's entertainment value. But just to feel and and what she said, she goes, He's very proud of you. And that just hit me. Like, you know, it's like I don't care if it's real or not. Yeah. Just to hear that and even

1:10:53 If two percent of your body can say that might be real, you immediately break down. Yeah. And so like snots coming out my nose and shit over Zoom and like there's no filter to turn that off. And like it's just like it was it was just very therapeutic, you know? And I was just like, holy shit. And then amount of shit that she got right was sc Gary. Did she whiff on anything? Trying to think.

1:11:17 Ooh gosh. You know it's funny is like once you start believing it, once you're like halfway in, you don't want to ask any like questions that might get them to whip. Disconfirmed. Yeah, exactly. And so But but I gotta say, like there was a bunch of stuff where she was like your girls and one of them looks a lot like your dad and has that same kind of energy and He likes to like watch them play because he thinks it's really cute how one of them is like this and like was predicting their personalities like to the T. Like absolutely perfect. And so then I have Daria do it, my wife, and Her mom comes to her.

1:11:51 And Gary accurate again. Everyone's gonna be asking for this URL. I swear, I'm not trying to like plug any like medium here in like sell medium uh things, but it was insane.cosmetics.com slash kevcos. Yeah, exactly. Do you have anybody that's passed away that you'd want to talk to? Sure.

1:12:09 Yeah. I mean, if I could, right? I mean I'm very I mean I've gone. out to the edges pretty hard in my sort of subjective experience, or a lot of experiments. But I would say I've also watched, for instance. There's a documentary about the amazing Randy called An Honest Liar. And I've watched documentaries on mentalists. Mm-hmm.

1:12:31 And you watch, say, performers like Darren Brown, who are like how they can read and like lean in. I mean, the stuff they can do is is just like beyond I shouldn't say it's beyond explanation, but it's very hard to explain. They're very convincing. Right. So I'm I'm very skeptical, but if I could somehow assure myself that I had uh shielded them from the potential of Googling things and figuring things out. Right, right, right. If I could come in blind. Like maybe the appointment's made someone else's name. And then I show up. Yeah, Tim Barrett. And then I'm like, Okay, you're right. Yeah. Tell me. I mean, certainly I'm I'm game to try. I'll I'll pay for your session. I want you to see see if this like this try if this holds up for for anybody else. Yeah, I'll try it. My feeling is.

1:13:13 And this is uh maybe. people are gonna be like, Wow, Tim Harris is wearing a tinfoil hat and uh we've lost him. He's out at sea. Especially after my sort of like mimetic contagion comment earlier. But There are a lot of I think it's very It's impossible to dispute that there's a lot we don't understand. Yes. Hundred percent.

1:13:34 that these things are unexplainable. It's not invoking necessarily the supernatural per se. But there's a lot of weird shit that we can't currently explain. And so f in the meantime, if we're waiting for a scientific agreement or consensus or breakthrough that it's accepted I'm happy to experiment. Right. As long as as long as you have some preparation and safeguards in advance so that you're not

1:14:00 A Mark for fooling yourself. Here's the uneasily. Is she never so out of myself, Daria, and my sister, she never asked for a rebook appointment. In fact, my sister, she had a bunch of people that came to her that she didn't recognize and she got to my dad like a little bit later and she's like Listen, I'm so sorry this never happens. I wanna get I wanna give you a free session for free. Come back next time. Like it was very weird and there was none of that like salesy shit. You know, I'm always on the lookout for that kind of stuff.

1:14:28 We'll have to. Like cliffhanger. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Oh, I found it. He gave me he gave me five of the winning lottery ticket numbers. Exactly. Oh, sorry, I'm out of time. Exactly. But I just, you know, it was one of these random things that you just walk into in life and you say yes to, and it was like weirdly awesome. I mean, look, I'll give you This is like two drinks, definitely informing what I'm about to say, but In my experience, so I get uh say soft tissue treatment once a week. Right, I get like. Was it?

1:14:57 I said handy. No, what does that mean? No dragon rolls, no happy endings. I'm saying just massage treatment. Like I have people who can't broken my body so many times. And there are certain people Who have bizar abilities that they cannot explain. Like they are just good at the Reiki people.

1:15:17 Doesn't necessarily even have to be that far afield from manual therapy. There are just some people who have very seemingly strange abilities and uh they have incredible track records. And when they try to teach other people their method, it does not translate. Their disciples are unable to do what they do.

1:15:39 And I don't know how to explain that, but like there seems to be an extreme variance. Right between outcomes. Right. And there's some people who are very purely secular. They have their technique. They can explain it. And they're effectively, you know, architects and carpenters of the human body, and they're able to do some miraculous I shouldn't say miraculous, but like predictably effective things based on

1:16:03 their understanding of the human body. Then there are people who just seem to operate on a different channel. And I don't know what to make of that. And any I would say any athlete like who has competed for a long time or had a lot of manual therapy will have a story about someone like this.

1:16:21 Why do you say athlete? Well just because they're gonna slow state stuff or like No, because they're going to injure themselves or have more they're just gonna have more table time than a than an average person. You talk to the average person on the street, I mean, by and large, like when do you have your last massage? Like never five years ago, two years ago. Whereas if somebody is a s very serious athlete, they're probably getting some type of manual therapy once ever I mean, at least once a month, if not once a week. If they're like an Olympic sprinter or something, they're probably getting it every day or every other day or something like that. Can I ask you a question that you may want to cut from the podcast? Sure. Um

1:16:57 You told me once that during one of your ayahuasca sessions that it was either someone had spoken in a different tongue that they didn't know or there was something crazy. What is the craest Tim Ferris supernatural thing that you've ever seen in your life? So I that's a good question. I'm going to pull out the supernatural just because Natural.

1:17:19 Hypernatural. simply because I I I don't think these things are beyond explanation. We just lack perhaps the Tools. Or the Yeah, we just we we can't currently investigate any of these

1:17:34 phenomenon uh granular enough way to make it. The gratifying. Sure. Uh yeah, I okay. So Give me a couple of good ones come on. Yeah, I'll give you some good ones. I mean

1:17:45 So I have a decent amount of uh flight time, I guess we can call it. I have seen on a few now I what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna I'm going to describe what I saw. Okay. And then I'm going to debunk it. And I know you don't lie, which is what's awesome. Like I've known you long enough to know that you're a very, very trustworthy, like legit person. You don't embellish, which I think is great. Yeah, I try not to. And I also try to cross examine, right? So Yeah, you're very skeptical, dude. Yeah. Which I love. It's great. So I've seen A few people. This is first person. speak or sing in languages that they do not speak.

1:18:19 Uh direct. Like in tongue shit where you're like I can't understand you don't know. No, you can No no no. They they you can hear them like coherently. And you speak a lot of languages. Yeah, I do. So w were they ever speaking a language that you understood where you're like No What language? Spanish. Well that's easy one. They could watch enough, like No. These are people without any exposure or the exposure or another thing as kids. Like they could have been. I'm not fluent in these languages, but like the Shipebo are like from the Shipebo Kunibo people or And these were like Quichua La Mista, like white people coming in, like where like you didn't have any coming in blind. They they couldn't even tell you the names of these tribes. Fuck. Like additional. No, we're talking like an hour. What? Yeah. And you've seen this firsthand. Yes.

1:19:04 And uh I also have What I would consider credible witnesses, people who are hyper competent in their own lives. They have very effective careers, et cetera, et cetera. These are not people who are just like

1:19:19 navel gazing folks who do Th Personal development seminars every two days and don't have a job. These are real operators who have seen in one instance. You know, this woman who ended up speaking what sounded like in tongues. But there was an academic there who later was like, Oh, that was

1:19:39 It was something like ancient Language. It was something that he could identify and he's like, Oh yeah, it's a dead language. He's like, but I've studied enough of it. That's what she was she was she was chanting in. No. So if I were to take the debunk side of this, I would say, well, everyone's tripping balls. So like let's be honest, right? Right. Everybody could just be making up the like never ending story fantasy that they want to to be true because they're trying to re capture some mystery in a world that seems just like profane and disgusting. And this is all ayahuasca.

1:20:14 Those examples are all ayahuasca, but it's not it's not limited to that. It seems to be particularly prevalent. Like reports, let me be clear. Not occurrences, but reports of these types of events Are most widely reported, it seems, in

1:20:33 Cases of ayahuasca, but The format I think matters in the sense that It may not be limited to Ayahuasca, which is a brew. It's a combination of different Plants. So Benisteriopsis copy in the case of the vine, and then Psychotria Varetis, if they're using chacruna, uh also another name for the same thing.

1:20:52 So it's a bit of a cocktail, right? You can think of it as an old fashioned. Like there are a lot of ways to put a spin on an old fashioned. And depending on the brew, it's gonna be very, very different. I had one the other day with a cognac and it was so good. So I can tell you what is not delicious is ayahuasca. But the point I was gonna make is that I think the reports in part are more frequent with ayahuasca than say psilocybin or m more psilocy mushrooms, let's say, or L st because ayahuasca is almost by default, at least In the syncretic kind of mistiso neo shamanic formats that you see, say, in North America.

1:21:28 And at a lot of the ayahuasca tourism places. It's inevitably in a group context. Right. And so when you have a group together. the dynamic, the potential for storytelling. The

1:21:43 volume of things that you will observe from other people is just higher than if you're laying on a map by yourself doing mushrooms. So I I think since that shared experience is such an intrinsic part of most Ayahuasca circles. as North sort of North Americans experience it, that

1:22:03 It's almost inevitable that you're gonna get more reports of these types of things. Yeah. Yeah. And who knows? Maybe people are just hearing and seeing what they want to see. They they are ultimately considered hallucinogens, although I do think there's more to the story. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, I mean and I I yeah, I will say, like when you're listening to anyone talk about

1:22:22 Fucking Crazy Town, which is what we're talking about right now. And this is not to say that I'm the the ultimate impeccable objective witness of reality, but You just have to ask yourself, like, has this person demonstrated the ability Two

1:22:37 reason and logic their way through other complicated problems. Right, because if they haven't demonstrated that and they believe in the fucking tooth fairy and Right, right. Spirits in ayahuasca. Then you really you don't have a basis. for judging their judgment. Right. But if someone comes in and they are demonstrably

1:23:00 World class in a bunch of domains, a real operator, very skeptical, and nonetheless they have these experiences and they're just like, What the fuck was that? Exactly. Then It's more interesting. Yeah, I had uh a a jet uh Navy fighter pilot named Ryan Graves on my podcast. Uh Ryan Graves? Yeah, like like the like the Uber Ryan Graves, but uh fighter pilot. Yeah, okay. And he's the one that came out and said, I saw some crazy

1:23:26 Alien ships in the sky. Yeah. And we talked an hour and a half or what it's like and when the training that he does and the sensors that they have in these jets. Yeah. And you're like There is nothing Like this guy's the most credible dude on earth. Like he's a retired Navy fighter pilot that like You know, was there was no like it wasn't like kick Oh we got.

1:23:47 Oh my god. We have the corner bit. Here we go. What is this? Um I sent some egg whites. So unfortunately egg whites, I guess. It's Apercola Corgan. Ooh, I like this little this this little clothes build. Kevin, sorry, please, please, please. Must be some some decorum. Yeah. Oh nice. That's not the water.

1:24:17 Yeah. Egg white, it's healthy, it's basically basically a protein shake. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So to what, Kevin? Uh to uh Experimentation. Mm.

1:24:32 That's probably the best one yet. Outstanding. I'm gonna be Laying on a flight, you're f Um What do you have? Do you have anything else or do you want me to go on I got like one or two more if you want to fire away. I mean basically here, there are a few things that I can recommend just in case people are looking at crazy. I'll I'll make it fast. So just in case people are looking for a couple of recommendations for things that over the last few months I have found really compelling.

1:25:01 in viewing or reading a few things. So one is Jerry Seinfeld's Duke commencement speech. Oh yes. Amazing. Amazing. Amazing. Just trust me. Check it out. Yes. Then there's a very old documentary that I watched again, David Hockney, The Art of Seeing. And We're gonna read it. David Hockney is is an incredibly well known artist, perhaps Britain's best loved living artist. Artists and the art of seeing. really dives into through interviews his way of viewing the world, art.

1:25:36 And life. It's tremendous. And you can find it on YouTube. You might be able to find it elsewhere, but it's actually surprisingly hard to find. In terms of books. After many, many people recommended it and I had a a hell of a time getting into it. It took twenty or thirty pages to just suffer through the first twenty or thirty pages. It is one of the most beautifully written books I've ever read. Also probably the most brutal book. It is just brutal, brutal, brutal. Brutal in what way, like Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy. And selected Yeah you can get it on Audible. I listened to it. It was actually great narration. Selected by the Atlantic as one of the great American novels of the past one hundred years. Uh here's an endorsement, one of the quotes from Michael Harr.

1:26:17 I think that's how you say it. H E R quote A classic American novel of regeneration through violence. McCarthy can only be compared to our greatest writers like Melville, et cetera, et cetera, and this is his masterpiece. So it's brutal in the sense that it is set in the wild west. But The Hobsian. behavior of humans and just like evil

1:26:39 Acts of brutality are Are just Beyond volume. Is this gonna be like a Quentin Tarantino film in like ten years kind of thing or five years? It would be hard to make an adaptation. I think it'd be hard to solve because people just come out of the movie theaters being like, What the fuck did I just do to myself? But the pros The prose is so gorgeous. I mean, this is one of those books that I listened to and I was like I should just fucking hang up my spurs and be done with writing. Like this writing is so good. Whole fuck. This writing is so

1:27:09 Good. Maybe this guy's an alien. Like he's it it doesn't seem conceivable to me that a human could produce this. It's so good. Now I will warn you if you listen to the audiobook. In the beginning of chapters, they have these random they're not quite random, but they're foreshadowing snippets of different phrases, and it's confusing as fuck on the audio book. So when he's like Marshmallow Tobacco. A man finds a dog.

1:27:33 Hat in the wind. You're like what the fuck is happening? They always put Yeah, exactly. So that's at the beginning of every chapter, but it's outstanding. If you want something uh that is shorter. And also metaphorically quite beautiful, The Bear by Andrew Kryvac, I think of him. Yeah. is a beautiful story of a girl and her father who live close to the land in the shadow of a lone mountain. The father teaches the girl how to fish and hunt the secret of the seasons and the stars. He is preparing her for an adulthood in harmony with nature, for they are the last of humankind. I'll just stop there. It's beautiful. I finished it in a handful of days. It's very short.

1:28:14 That's a very special book. Really, really fast. If you're doing documentaries, I want to throw one out there. You've probably seen this and I just watched it again for the second time. It's called The Birth of Sake. Never seen it. What? No. Oh, dude, this is a beautiful thing. We tasted a lot of sake. We did. In Japan. Yeah, we went to actually like one of the breweries. Yeah. It was amazing. So good. So the birth of sake is about A Like traditional handmade, like there's only like a thousand of them left. Like there used to be like four thousand like a decade ago, now it's down to a thousand handmade. Sounds like Japan. And well they're they're like it machines and automation and all that are like taking over.

1:28:51 And this is about I didn't know if you kne you knew this, but like if you're actually making sake, you have to tend to it for about six months. Round the clock. And so they get together in these like little tiny micro homes where they live. They leave their families. And they just work on Saki for six months. And so this covers like

1:29:09 Old men, young men coming in, like tradition, the handing off of of of reins to one generation to another. You somebody dying like the whole thing. And it's beautiful and it's this little tiny brewery called Yoshida Brewery. And so there's a there's a great store in San Francisco, I'm sure you probably remember it called True Sake. Remember over in uh Page uh sorry in uh Hayes Valley. Hayes Valley, yeah. Yeah. So they actually there called Hitori Musume, which means single daughter.

1:29:35 Which to this day I've been trying to find. So good. So so they they actually sell this. I found this so I have it upstairs. We can take a sip of it. Um I bought but it's not much. It's like it's like fifty dollars a bottle. Yeah, yeah. But it's this little tiny family the story is beautiful. It's all four K. There's like snow falling in like s slow motion. Highly recommend watching uh that documentary, uh The Birth of Saga. That's that's my go. What else you got? I got a short one. Okay, go. All right, so this is a video that was sent to me by my friend Mike.

1:30:02 You gotta watch this. You gotta watch this. It's called Is this some of the stuff we send each other normally? No. No. Not that horrific mutually assured destruction known as our group. No, no, no, no. It's called hiren R N. By Ren. Who's a musician, storyteller, lyricist? It's fucking incredible. You've never seen anything like it. And it's a combination of Talent. craziness slash lunacy philosophy redemption and relief. The lyrics are so good. It's a one man performance. Where he's playing guitar. He looks like a mental patient, like he's in an inpatient out.

1:30:39 Like outfit gets wheeled in. And it's just him and a guitar and he goes back and forth playing like the light and dark sides of himself. having a conversation. Oh shit. It is so we watch it now or no? Good. It's probably too long to watch now. You should watch it. It will blow your mind. All right, we'll link it up. This is this is some good I love when we throw out the random links that are just like really good. This one Seriously, I was like

1:31:07 Oh, I'm not the only one who's fucking crazy. Okay. Oh, that's great. Oh, yeah. Fantastic. I love that. We're all fucking crazy. Oh God, what a relief. Uh so that's that's definitely that's definitely one that came to mind. All right, I've got my last story of the day, and then maybe you have one to add on top of this. So I'm taking a lot of risk here. In that um Tentalizing. Speaking about podcasts that uh we don't want to do what everybody else is doing, you know? Um One of the things that was a a a complete tragedy that we can all agree upon is that Matthew Perry's uh passing away from ketamine overdose or or or Coming unconscious and then drowning in in in the pool. Yeah. A lot of data came out recently. Did you see that? Yeah. It was like really horrible. Like these doctors were conspiring to like give him as much as he wanted and like injecting him with what would be considered to be

1:31:52 Like a general anesthesia. Yeah, exactly. Enough to put you out, right? And like obviously you don't mix with water in the hot tub, right? Doesn't mix with water. Yeah. So The thing that bummed me out about that is that uh, you know, we talked about this before about my treatment like six months ago, and I feel fantastic after that treatment. But the thing that bummed me out is that meaning intravenous. Was it intravenous or intra muscular? Uh intravenous, yeah. Inter Yeah, it's an I V Academy treatment. Yeah. So I I did it, you know, I did the the six sessions and I was uh going through a really hard startup and like I feel as as good as ever, which is great. Since then, when we did that podcast. I've had

1:32:27 And I can't say on on on camera, but I've had a household name that has built a business that is bigger than you and I have ever built. that would be a shock to the world that hit me up and was like, I did this and it changed my life. And they've since paid for a bunch of people to do it after them that were really suffering. That person m in particular was having some depression, things of that nature. That was just treatment resistant depression was what they call it. Hit me up and was like

1:32:51 I have suicidal thoughts. I'm not gonna kill myself. But I hate that I have them every day. Yeah. You know? And also a scary message to get.

1:33:02 Yeah, but did she went and did five treatments? And is now in full remission. Has like This is amazing and it kills me. That

1:33:11 I mean, obviously there are insane dangers around recreational use. I'm not disputing that at Oh. And it's being used in clubs, it's being used all over the place as a dissociated, and like I I get that it's really bad, but I wanted to go out and say, If I'm gonna do a different podcast on this. I wanna have in

1:33:28 an expert, which I brought my doctor in. Her name is Doctor Jen. She's um Princeton trained doctor. Uh not a chiropractor. Not a chiropractor. No offense to chiropractors but they tend to do the doctor, bob, doctor, Jack Doctor Jen thing. Yeah, you don't want to uh you don't want a chiropractor doing this, but she's been an ER room doctor for like fifteen years. Now I feel like a dick, I will have to say. Like there's some great chiropractors out there who I work with. But but you don't want them running your cademy. Right. Exactly. And she gets into that and she under she's like, this is why like we need to take this seriously, right? So we did the whole podcast and we take it from a very scientific point of view, talking about the neuroplasticity, talking about her outcomes that she's witnessed, blah, blah. But the crazy thing that I added on to this, and this is coming out in like a week or so. is that I actually said, Okay, I will go in to demystify this.

1:34:14 And I went into the clinic. And I did intermuscular, which is just a shot in the arm. Yeah. I tried to stay as conscious as I could and explain the feelings. As I was starting to go into La La Land. Now let me tell you. Are you gonna share marble mouth moments? Yeah, there's all that in there. So but but it is a it is an anaesthetic. Doesn't generally help you No. I I had to st stop and restart the same sentence like five times. But I will I will tell you the reason why I did this is very simply because of my friend that was suffering from severe depression, that she knew me personally and she's like

1:34:53 I saw you do this and I saw it have a positive benefit and I went to I am not recommending anyone to do this, but There is a subset of people out there that are suffering. They're seriously contemplating Horrible things.

1:35:06 And I just want them to check it out and also see what a high quality clinic looks like. Yeah. Like don't go to the chiropractor. Just look inside of so sorry I said that. Yeah. No, but it's true though. Like the not let's not say chiropractors, but people that have access to this compound. Don't go to them like you should have a real legitimate doctor. There should be a real legitimate intake. There should be blood pressure cuts. There should be heart rate monitors. There should be all the real things that come with a legitimate practice. And so I want to demystify it a bit. It's gonna be controversial. It's coming out soon. But you know, I think I'm on the right side of history here. I think that like this will help a lot of people. It's not for everyone. But if you're really, really suffering and you tried everything else. all the exercise, all the antidepressants, and you still want to do harm.

1:35:49 Yeah. Maybe maybe consider. Yeah. For suicidal ideation, I mean there there are many resources that we could recommend. Uh I mean we're not doctors. We're not doctors. So I mean if you w if you search some practical thoughts on suicide in my name, there will be a long post that will walk you through my history with this. But If someone's contemplating self harm, serious self harm, then I do think of all the interventions I've seen. In clinic.

1:36:20 That's the v operative term. Cadamine. sessions, whether I V or intramuscular Are very interesting. They effectively hit

1:36:32 stop or pause on the thought loops. So that you can have a moment of respite. to really examine what is happening and going on and take a short Break from your pain. and in the form of these thoughts that are incessant.

1:36:46 And that is also the reason why In my opinion you should not use ketamine outside of clinic. It is too seductive. It is very easy to become addicted.

1:37:01 If you have any history of Using alcohol to take the edge off. Ketamine is like alcohol times a hundred in terms of its effectiveness to taking that edge off. And therein lies the danger. Because there are severe consequences to becoming really addicted to ketamine. I I will say this that was really interesting. I talked to Dr. Jen, who's done hundreds of patients now, right? And and she goes, and I said to her on the podcast and her defense, this is very interesting. I said You know, for me like I don't see how can any anyone can be addicted to this because like it's like a journey you go on, you know? And by the time I'm done with the journey I'm like, Oh my God, thank God I get like, you know, a few days off'cause you do it twice a week for three weeks. But she goes, No, no, no, no, Kevin

1:37:39 I just want to let you know. There are some people that when they feel that, they feel high from that. Yeah. And I'm not one of those people thank God But like she's like there in lies the danger. And I'm like Thank you for correcting me there. Like that's a real legitimate person that is like trying to set the record straight because some people can get that.

1:37:57 alcohol times a thousand and get addicted and then they go finding street sources and all that stuff. But like It's a really crazy compound because in some settings It can be a savior. And a reboot that people need and an outside perspective to look at themselves

1:38:13 Disassociated a bit to laugh and like To look to take a to take an observer status to our own stories. I talk about that. Actually when they film me coming out of it. They go they go, What did you feel? And I go. Kevin was over here. I took an observer status of that and I was able to say

1:38:30 he's being crazy and he's his own worst enemy. Yeah. You know? And so it's like it's very challenging because In some sense, like this is a very dangerous compound, but I don't think we need to like Just Throw it away. No, we don't need to demonize it. It ha it I think it's a very powerful tool.

1:38:49 And The Risk is self administration. Yes. Right. A hundred percent. And I will say I've seen some of the most Impressive, amazing, soulful. high functioning people.

1:39:03 completely derail their lives. using ketamine and other compounds. And you just have to be very, very cautious because my my belief is, and I think this is a even if it's inaccurate, I think it's uh Constructive. Positively to hold.

1:39:19 Which is everyone has a molecule that will make them addictive. Everyone. Yes. You just don't know exactly which key is gonna fit the lock. Yes. But Everyone has the potential to be addicted. And it's just the right molecule. So for me I'm like, let's safeguard against that. Oh my God. What is this? This is just a single shot of that. Oh the great whiskey. Thank you. Thank you. I love that text was from like twin minutes ago. Thank you. Thanks, man. Pickstudio. Did you already pull it up? I pulled it up. Amazing.

1:39:58 Crazy. I mean it looks just like him. It does look good. Yeah. What's the story of the snake through the skull on your forearm? Traditional. All right, there's no stories. It's just beautiful. I like it.

1:40:11 But this. Oh yeah, like the the monkey in the hat with the cigar. Oh look at like the C C P baby with the boxing gloves? Yeah, who knows. Addison's the best. Thank you so much.

1:40:28 Did uh did you guys talk about like just what happened last week or two weeks ago with like Flux and the model? Oh yeah, so the we did mention that up front, but I think we should mention it. Um well yeah, I didn't mention flux. So there there was a new model that came out. Addison, you get to do the cheers, what should we cheers to? Uh Girlfriends and our wives. Oh never meet.

1:40:49 To our to our girlfriends and our wives. May they never meet. Future tense for me. But you know, a boy can dream. So um just to give the the round out of the thirty seconds, uh Asin, you switch to a new model called Flocks. Yeah, which anyone knows about it, like in like that's deep in the AI space. Yeah, this is the new AI shit. So what's what's really crazy is so you guys brought up uh Sho we should we get him a mic? Yeah, yeah, you're talking to this mic. Kneel down for a sec. Just just tell us um about about Flux because the the pictures of Tim are insane. Tell why are they better now than they were three months ago. the like you guys originally brought up uh prompt hunt like maybe two years ago now or maybe a year and a half ago. It was like on like in December of twenty twenty twenty twenty you look good. That's not even AI. That's just like that's our trip of Mexico. Yeah that's just that's just Mexico.

1:41:38 Uh No, so you guys brought it up and you were making all these theories about what's gonna happen with AI and really I'd like to Just the models just keep getting better. And the prompts are kind of still saying still staying complicated. And so

1:41:54 Essentially uh there was a team at stable diffusion or stability AI. Those folks left and basically started another open source model. And this thing is competing with Mid Journey and it's all open source and it launched and that like the day or the the couple of days after it launched, everyone was saying like you won't be able to fine tune, you won't be able to like train like Basically these lores and things like that.

1:42:17 twenty four hours later, I was like, Actually you can And that's how rapidly it's changed. It's just insane. And and it takes very little effort out of J. Let me ask you a question on this page. Also I feel like we're gonna put these up and then people are gonna meet me in person and be like, uh what happened. You really let yourself go. Hold on, this picture of Tim with the with the red uh like speedo type stuff How much call the AI? That's what he got on Tim's good side. How could you say I want him in a black jacket here, red red pants? Yeah, yeah. So

1:42:49 The the way like what I'm working on with like Big Studio AI is essentially like everyone wants really. Go a little bit more over here so we can see your face. Oh there you go. I mean sure. Come on, come on this way. I wanna get my get my good side, god damn. Yeah. Just sit on Kevin's lap if you want.

1:43:09 I'm not saying that's hot, but if the Boner Police were around, I'd demand a lawyer. That's definitely stinging. Shout out hot rod. Okay. You're gonna have to catch up. Oh god, you're kneeling on his flashlight. Okay, go ahead. Tell tell us how we can modify this.

1:43:36 Well no, w the way I've seen that this sort of working like in a way that is actually usable, which is what I keep telling people is How many times have you taken headshots where you just need them from either either LinkedIn? Or a show that you're working on. It's just like a really I mean that's yeah, I'd hate to be dating right now, dude. Yeah, me too. But you can do anything. Really essentially like what we're trying to do.

1:43:56 Is figure out what kind of phot for the go to the website for a second. What's the tagline? Pro portraits created with it. We're making a whole bunch of stuff. And these are actually old ones because we're we're sort of piloting this right now of those different portraits. So those are those are old versions of our portrait. But you know, I see it less being, hey, I wanna be riding an elephant going, you know, crazy. It it's more like I used to take portraits every year with my buddy Nate Taylor, who took your portraits back in the day. And we'd have to spend like a day or two taking these photos and like he doesn't wanna do it. I don't wanna do it. He's gonna take a thousand photos and maybe one looks good. And it's like this is just gonna get it right right away. Yeah. So it's just it's realistic way of g getting a great portrait.

1:44:40 But you can do whatever. Like I I absolutely did that and that's going to my my library. Bookmarks. Tax returns two thousand eleven. I think I'm gonna make an OnlyFans for Tim. I'm gonna make an OnlyFans for Tim based solely on this AI model. And uh interesting thing. Um all right, so

1:45:03 That's true. I could have a thing? I'm good. Microphone went for a went for a wobble. Uh I I love Addison, he's the he's the best. He he's always dabbling. Like this is a one person startup. I fucking love that though. Yeah, I know it's dabbling the dabbling is where you find things to double down on. Yes. Right? That's That's where it all where all the magic happens. A hundred percent. All right. I'm I'm I'm out of s good stories. You got anything else you do? Good stories.

1:45:29 I think I've covered most of it. on my list. I'll mention a few things. There's a children's book for adults. Yeah, right. You said children's. Children's. Yeah. A children's. Children apostrophe. Children's. Children's. Yes. Okay.

1:45:47 Maybe it's Long Island coming out. I don't know. I think that's how you say it. Oh Lord Called The Well of Being by Jean Pierre. While I guess if you're gonna say it in German. This has made an impact on me. It's a beautiful book. It's very easy to read. You could read it with your kids. And The couple who introduced me to this are one of the most thought, present, and playful couples I know.

1:46:13 F and K, thank you. for all this and it infused you know th they've also infused the raising of their daughters with the ethos of this book in a way. So here's the description. The Well of Being from Jean Pierre Will is an illustrated inquiry into the art of happiness and what it means to be radically alive in our daily moments. I'll stop there. It's a long description. It's how to print. I'm on Amazon right now. It's how to print. Yeah. And so I had to just buy a used copy. It's a beautiful book. Okay. And then separately, there's a question that I've been asking myself a lot and You can find this more. elaborated upon on my blog.

1:46:50 Takes two or three minutes, but Don't freak out because the first Few paragraphs of the blog post, but it's a strong metaphor. And the question is, are you hunting antelope or field mice? And I've been thinking about this. with the podcast as well as with respect to next projects, how I choose next projects, right? Because all we have is our energy and time. And

1:47:10 If you spend it in one place, you can't spend it in another. And uh this particular question, people can look it up for the history, but Are you hunting are you Are you hunting antelope or field mice? is a reference to sort of the metaphor of the lion. A lion can survive on field mice, but it's going to ultimately be very, very, very, very, very over busy and it's going to burn more calories than it earns through hunting field mice. So be skinny. Don't be skinny.

1:47:41 But like pick a big it would be skinny if it was just a big audacious goal. that can feed you for a long time. Right. So as you're being busy, quote unquote. Like are you hunting?

1:47:55 Field mice or antelope? Can I challenge that for a second? Challenge. So if you're hunting Feel mice. I'm assuming that's easier.

1:48:04 Pray. Easier to get. probably gives you more time to like Sit. Watch Netflix.

1:48:12 Like the the one thing that that struck me about today And I and I just like let's have a little real talk for a second with it. Oh God, coming to Jesus moment. Yeah. And yet You had to write a book. I didn't I didn't have to hold on, hold on. Our fr our mutual friends who shall not be named

1:48:32 Pointed this out as well. Yeah. Where it's like Can you sit? And just be you. Or would that be too hard? Okay. Let's do it. All right.

1:48:43 So Yeah, this is this is good. Let's let's get into the fucking chewy bits. So I routinely every year. spend at least a month off the grid. Right, like last October. I was gone. I was in

1:48:59 I was off the grid. Yeah, but you were doing shit. I was doing stuff, but here here's my question, right? And this was in our shared text thread. I basically said okay, look, so the accusation is that Tim doesn't know how to chill out. I'm like, okay. Fine.

1:49:14 Let's take that as true. If Tim were to chill out, what does that look like on a daily and weekly basis? And one of my challenges was Humans are built to be social. You have a family. Our mutual friend as a family. There's an inbuilt

1:49:29 social network. In that family. I don't have that. Right. So my You're a brother to me, so you always have a family. Yeah, I appreciate that. And like on a day to day basis when I wake up in the morning, like you know, my hotel room, my house is empty.

1:49:44 Right. Yeah. So I need to go externally. I need to travel outside of the confines of my house to find That human interaction. So the question is, like, okay. Well If you could write the script.

1:49:57 What would Tim Ferris chilling out look like? I don't know what that would look like. What would it look like? Oh it's very simple. I got the best answer for you ever. Oh boy. No script. Uh that sounds like some fucking fortune cookie stuff that I can't make sense of though. What does that mean? I know you can't make sense of it, but that's the point.

1:50:15 It's no script. When have you done that? When I do my meditation retreats, when I do there's No, but you had a you had a schedule for the for each day. Sure, but like I think an intensive the silent retreat where you're meditating it hours of deck bitch. Okay, I suffer from the same thing you do.

1:50:32 I suffer the same thing you do. And that is that We can there's a there's a reason we're all friends, right? We're all fucking border collies. Chewing on the couch. We can't turn it off. You know, and it's like Honestly, I think the healthiest thing though would be to wake up with no agenda. For a month.

1:50:49 Yeah. With no friends for a month, with the fact that you just wake up saying What is today gonna bring? And that is damn fucking hard for people that are driven like you and me are. So I did that for almost a month last October. But did some psychedelics during that time and shit. Come on. Towards the end. But in that particular case, I mean I'll just say that I don't think humans are built for isolation. And there'd be and there and there is a fetishizing of self sufficiency and independence in the US that I think is unhealthy.

1:51:20 It exists in other places for sure. But if you look at our evolutionary biological like our biological programming. completely refutes that. To be exiled, to be excluded from the group. is effectively. And I'm not so I'm not arguing that but I'm arguing is like what if you couldn't touch a pen or a computer for a month? They shoot arrows.

1:51:40 Or or both. Yeah, yeah. I mean the uh I do think and I can't remember the particular attribution of this. Man, I wish I could really remember it, but Jeremy? The hedgehog. No. It was uh it was someone else. But it was basically like

1:51:56 Man finds leisure through the through the switching from one activity to another, like one compelling activity to another, or something along those lines. And I wish I had the exact quote and the attribution, but I don't. And um this this applies obviously cross gender, but the point being that I'm not convinced that being idle

1:52:19 Is A fruitful goal to have. If you can't sit with yourself for five minutes, that's a problem. Yeah. Right.

1:52:28 But different people have different constitutions. And for me, for instance, right, if you look at the four hour work week, okay, so I get rid of not get rid of, but I automate my whole business, blah, blah, blah. What do I do? I end up doing tango, like six to eight hours a day. Right. But that was not done from a position of obligation or Fear is done from a place of like enthusiasm and excitement and love. That's different. And uh that

1:52:59 I think is good medicine. Right? So As long as I have the self-awareness to distinguish between something that is done from a place of fear or guilt or prestige hunger. or responsibility or some nebulous obligation versus the things that enliven me. Mm-hmm. I think being active is fine as long as I land in the latter category. Yeah. Right. Like for instance, like I'm doing

1:53:28 A lot of archery right now. And I fucking love it. Like I am so Fed by it? And I'm not saying I'm the world's best, I certainly am not, but I I just find it so meditative. And But can I ask you one question?

1:53:44 One of the things I'm really curious about is like Tim, like I I I respect you so much because of how I've watched you dissect and You know, assimilate like information like no other human I've ever seen on earth. And you are able to

1:54:00 lear and pick up and go deep on any topic within a matter of minutes or hours or weeks, you know, like you you do that quite well. The one thing that is the rounding out of the holistic picture of Tim. that I'm curious if you could ever tap into. is the Tim that says

1:54:20 I can just B without having to go. for those things or having to engage in that type of thinking. You know, that type of like Pursuit.

1:54:31 analyzing, you know. I I I Daria, my wife is she's a PhD in neuroscience and and I oftentimes get engaged in intense debates with her about this where I'm just like, Chill the fuck out. No Uh so but I'm just like you know, I I'm like I'm like I wish I I wish with all my friends balance.

1:54:57 And then think of the where our mutual friend was trying to get to is like might you find fold the more might you find a little bit more of that side of the house. Cause you have the other end spades. Yeah. It's a good question. I mean, I'll sit with it. I think that balance can come in a lot of different forms. Right. So the the balance is time bound. Right, in the sense that is it balanced on a daily basis? Is it on a weekly basis? No, hold on, hold on. No, it's not. It's it's finding the right conceptual framework through which to think about it. And I and I don't think that's a mistake. I think it's actually very helpful. Depends on how your mind works, right? For me, though, it's like if I'm super intense for a month.

1:55:38 And I'm going ten out of ten and then I'm zero out of ten for a month. Like that equates to kind of a five five, right? That's for me a certain degree of balance, but it's not if you looked at it on the minute to minute, hour to hour, day to day. It would look very lopsided. I know a fantastic app that I would love to build for you, which would be like the Tim Tim Random app. And like you open it up every morning and it tells you what to do for a month and it'd be like today, it's like

1:56:04 What the fuck is this? And you'd be like, Oh, I have to buy a slip and slide and go down it twenty times. Like just like something where it's just like throwing you completely out of your like and you're like, Wow, I didn't have to think about it. I didn't have to overanalyze it. It's just a fucking thing I'm gonna do. Well, this is this is part of the curse of the entrepreneur. But it's also but it's just saying. Yeah, a hundred percent. You know exactly what I'm talking about. But also at the same time these are your mics. I know these are my mics. But also at the same time I will say that like

1:56:36 When you introduce another partner it's the Dance that's fucking hard, right? Yeah. Cause Dark is very much about like structure and shit where I'm Daria and I are very similar. Very similar. Super similar. She's you with hair. You're the best. Yeah. But she's Kevin doesn't know what's better body. I mean you look at my AI harassed videos. I mean I'm sorry. Okay, thank you everyone for uh tuning in to the show. Great to see you, buddy. Uh I love you, brother. Yeah, I love you too many. It's always good to hang out with you. Uh seriously, like I I wish we could be in the same city for for more than like a day or two at a time. Seriously hundred percent agreed. So if we can talk Darry to move to Austin, that would be dumb.

1:57:24 Seriously. We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. Great to see you, buddy. All right. All right, man. Peace. See you guys. And uh oh yeah, for all the links and whatever images of me and my speedos and all that good jazz, go to Tim.blog slash podcast. Yes, and check out my episode of Kevin Rose.com. There we go. Kevin Rose.com. All right. All right, everybody. Peace. Take care. Hey guys, this is Tim again, just one more thing before you take off, and that is Five Bullet Friday. Would you enjoy getting a short email from me every Friday that provides a little fun before the weekend? Between one and a half and two million people subscribe to my free newsletter, my super short newsletter called Five Bullet Friday. Easy to sign up, easy to cancel. It is basically a half page that I send out every Friday to share the coolest things I've found or discovered or have started exploring over that week.

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