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#709: In Case You Missed It: November 2023 Recap of "The Tim Ferriss Show"

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2:07 Hello, boys and girls, this is Tim Ferris. Welcome to another episode of the Tim Ferris Show, where it is my job to deconstruct world class performers of all different types, to tease out the routines, habits, and so on that you can apply to your own life. This is a special in between episode which serves as a recap. of the episodes from the last month. Features a short clip from each conversation in one place. So you can jump around, get a feel for both the episode and the guest, and then you can always dig deeper by going to one of those episodes. View this episode as a buffet to whet your appetite.

2:36 It's a lot of fun. We had fun putting it together and for the full list of the guests featured today, see the episode's description probably right below where we Press play in your podcast app, or as usual, you can head to Tim.blog slash podcast and find all the details there. Please enjoy. First up

2:59 A YouTube Q<unk>A with Tim. Featuring Tim's thoughts on new religions. AI companions Longevity levers. Resurrecting forgotten languages.

3:10 Tactics for writer's block. And much more. Are there any global or national trends in the next five to ten years that aren't talked about enough, or you believe more people should be paying attention to, if applicable, how are you personally preparing for this or these shifts? I would say one that comes to mind is

3:34 For lack of a better term. Digital emotional surrogacy. I'm sure there is a sexier or more elegant term for this, but The Inevitable.

3:45 development that we will have I would say within the next Probably two years. photo realistic avatars that we can interact with through, say virtual reality. And if you haven't seen the demo of the meta metaverse.

4:02 With Zuckerberg. With Lex Friedman. On his recent

4:08 podcast on YouTube that showcases what this can look like. I would encourage everybody to at least watch the first five minutes to get a taste of things to come. with the ability to interact with photorealistic avatars. Furthermore, with the ability to interact with photorealistic avatars who might be your favorite celebrity, like a Taylor Swift. With Very convincing facial expressions.

4:31 We are getting to a point where companies like Replica, for instance, Replica with a K at the end, K A instead of C A, where digital companions are going to become for many people. Not just a supplement to human interaction, but a replacement for human interaction. So I would say that. The loneliness epidemic from my perspective is probably only going to get more nuanced, more complex, and more Challenging.

5:03 to address in some respects because especially for people like myself who are introverts I'm taking active steps, so I'll a answer that second part of your question too. maybe preemptively gird myself for this. But for those people who are already intimidated or taxed by going out and interacting with one person or groups of people, you could see the case of for many of them opting out completely. And I think we already have problems with declining birth rates.

5:32 And there are many countries that are below replacement rates at this point. So I am very curious to see what societal impact that will have. The way I am Counteracting that for myself. Is

5:46 Booking things on the calendar in advance. And by in advance, I mean at this point, I'm probably six months out. Booking trips. Booking time with friends, booking time with family, getting it on the calendar. putting money behind it. Doesn't have to be a lot of money, but enough money that you can benefit from the sunk cost fallacy and feel Invested so you won't cancel things.

6:09 And really giving myself very few options for Opting out of social interactions that I've proven to myself.

6:21 over time are always in my best interest. Even if I will drag my feet. To get there in the first place, I will leave being better off. So those are a few thoughts in terms of trends. People are paying a lot of attention to, say, AI and broad strokes. or machine learning in broad strokes, but my interest and certainly what I'm also watching

6:43 in my audience are some of the societal implications and the psychological sort of mass psychological implications of these things. So you will be able to take steps to Perhaps. put a moat around yourself to minimize the damage, but this is something to pay attention to. And I would also say that

7:04 As these Tools become more and more convincing. We've blown away the Turing test. It's already been beaten or passed. So

7:13 As these tools and machines become more and more convincing. more and more appealing. I think that there will be the very natural impulse to offload more and more of the things that we currently handle in our own heads or manually. And

7:31 If you want to preserve some of those. abilities you're going to have to decide to be perhaps a selective Luddite, or at least for periods of time be a selective Luddite, for instance. How many people here would say their parents are better at Directions.

7:48 offline, not using Google Maps. than the younger generations. And I would imagine a lot of people would raise their hand. And This is Perhaps not controversial because

7:58 People have decided to embrace Something like Google Maps. or many other competitors. to help them with convenience and accuracy and so on. However.

8:10 You don't Use it, you lose it. And it's easy to embrace convenience. and not recognize severe atrophy of capabilities. until it's very hard to reverse. So

8:25 I think that that is a meta awareness. that needs to be developed as we are interacting with these increasingly seductive and powerful tools. So long answer, but these are things.

8:39 That I think about. Next up The South Korea episode. Record in soul.

8:48 And featuring Steve Jang. Tim's longtime friend and founder of Early Stage Venture Capital Fund. Kindred Ventures Just because I've teased it so much. Mm-hmm. What is Hun?

9:04 Just like Natsukachi. Mm-hmm. Quite Japanese. Super Japanese. For Koreans. Han is probably the most talked about recent Collective trait.

9:15 of Koreans that Koreans talk about but then now people outside are talking about and what it Essentially boils down to is this idea of this collective suffering. That the Korean people have through history. And manifest

9:31 And This sort of It's very complicated feeling of We are suffering and we share that pain with each other.

9:41 Is not always a negative. It can sometimes drive us to express ourselves And strong ways. It can drive us to Suffer together.

9:53 Collectively. Mm-hmm. So collectivism is A very Asian. Yeah. And independents.

9:59 It's something that we revere. In the US. That collectivism in Korea. Is Han.

10:07 And is it generally you mentioned suffering. There are a lot of different descriptions of this. I was doing a little bit of reading. It's really hard to explain in English, actually. It seems very hard. Is it A type of So sadness would be a component of that. Yeah.

10:21 And also Anger and anger. I was talking to David Chang from Momofuku, he's uh old friend, and he asked me about Travis Kelly, he had never met him. And he said, You knew him. He seems like he has a lot of Han. And I said, Yeah, he's intense.

10:38 And it expresses in in a drive to succeed, right? And obviously we all know that story. But For Koreans. Han can be. A drive to do

10:48 Great things. To bond together. To understand each other. To empathize. But it can also just be

10:55 Like you said. The anger and the the crage that you're talking about. Which Channeled correctly allows you to build an entire industry. Yeah. And succeed on a global level to create chips on the shoulder, like chips in the pocket. Pop culture phenomenons that when

11:11 Grammys and that movies that win Oscars and Light up the world to What's happening in this little country that used to be a poor developing country. That was broken after Colonization and a war.

11:24 Where does that come from? And so I think a lot of Koreans Romantically we'll describe it as like We have this Han. Mm.

11:33 Uh. drives us, but it's not perfect. It's not always positive. It can just result in chaos and destruction too. But it's this thing that feels very real. And I think that's what you're seeing in like Korean movies. That's what you're seeing in industries. The positive energy that can come out of it, not just the negative energy. So it's very complicated. Yeah. But Jung

11:50 Mm-hmm. And these are like very simple Chinese characters. Yeah. I wonder what the I don't know the hunter for any of that. So Zhang is This connection.

12:01 Or affection. This bond that you feel. Mm-hmm. And so A lot of people will say

12:08 That they don't have jung with someone. Or the person does not have jung. This is a much more like bonding, affectionate And it's a very simple word.

12:17 But it means a lot. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jung is Also a complicated thing too. It's hard to describe without using a lot of words. And adjectives and feelings and emotions in English.

12:28 But when you say that In Korean, it's very simple. It means a thing that isn't translatable. Mm-hmm. And then if I already take Two words that would describe. Korean people and again.

12:39 I'm not Korean. I'm a Korean American, I'm guiltful. Mm-hmm. Someone inside, but someone outside.

12:47 And so I can compare it to how we are in America or other countries. And Han and Zheng? But pretty much cover. What what is Nunche? So Ninchi, I mean, you know Bobby Kim. Bobby Hunter. Yes. Yeah. You had him on the show. I did.

13:02 A friend of mine as well. Great conversation. He really got it right, which is It's reading the room. It's like noon is your eyes. And it's the ability to see

13:14 What's really going on. Reading between the lines or Reading the room. Mm-hmm. And this is really important. This is not a like happy positive thing. This is again a defensive, inquisitive, analytical

13:29 Mm. Skill. Discerning eye. Yeah. It's very critical. Yeah, critical height. Yeah. There are things that come up when you talk about

13:37 People. Can you talk about your connection with them? And so If I come in and kind of bluntly or obtusely

13:45 I'm rude in a group. I walk into a dinner or a room. I change the topic uh really obtrusively. Yeah. Non ci uppa. Right? He just like didn't read the room, just kinda came in like a bull in a shina shot. Yeah, the yeah, the there there isn't. And then um

14:05 You know, with Han That's something that I actually have not heard a lot of Koreans talk about it. Mm. I feel like a lot of Korean Americans in Kyopo talk about it.

14:16 So it's an interesting thing. I think it's a more recent modern Yeah. Definition and term. I don't think it's like an old classic phrase or term. So my sense is anecdotally that it's something that's been a little bit created. Yeah. And then also with Jung, that's something that my parents talk about a lot. Yeah.

14:36 Ciao. And my parents don't talk about Han. It's like Maybe the people that really feel it. Mm-hmm. Don't want to talk about it. Yeah, totally. And the people that want to find some reason or some rhyme to why they feel a certain way or something is happening to them, that they'll create a concept.

14:53 But I think it is very interesting to look at those Two Concepts. Han and Zhong. Mm.

15:00 And then that'll help you understand a lot. Increase in society. It helps me a lot, actually. Yeah. I'll give you one one example. If you're a visitor to Korea. There's a host mentality. In Japanese called umotanashi. Mm-hmm.

15:13 Korean. There's a concept of you're my sonim. My guest. And it's very strong. Very similar to Japanese, right? They want to exceed

15:25 And treating you well. They want to give you food. They want to take care of you. The wanna do that. They wanna create This concept of Jong.

15:33 Not to create the concept, but to have Jong with you. That would be the ideal. Because Koreans. Most Koreans, not all, maybe, but Koreans want to have that connection. That deep connection. They wanna drink with you. They wanna stay out late with you. They wanna wrestle with you. They wanna argue with you. They wanna put their arms around your shoulder and sing a song after like

15:56 Downing some soju, right? They wanna feel that like real visceral connection with you. And people often I don't really enjoy it, but uh people often in business, even in technology, which is somewhat of a more cerebral industry. They want to go out late and have drinks. Until five, six in the morning.

16:14 And in the US we're like, Hey, this is just way too much, like this is bedtime. They want to do that to know that they have a bond with you. They want to create that. Somewhat like Abruptly.

16:24 Right. But you see that. Yeah, I'm trying to find the character for Chao. It's really bothering me that I Oh wait, wait. Yeah.

16:34 Okay. Jung is Zhang is good. Jung is Positive. Jung is optimistic. Yeah, warm feeling of attachment. Yeah.

16:45 Not so much. Yeah, Tung, you see that character, the Chinese character in pretty sure in concepts like sympathy, those types of sort of feeling, emotive. Concepts. Empathy, sympathy.

17:00 Affection. Bonds. In every movie. In every T V series. They're moving in and out of Han and Zheng.

17:11 In the narrative. In the storytelling. And That's I think if you were to whittle it down, if you had to really simplify and reduce it to something. Very like

17:22 At root level. I think it would be that Koreans are moving between Zheng and Han. In their storytelling, in their life. Your business.

17:32 Yeah. There's a moment with probably with your friends in high school. Where it's All happy and positive. Mm.

17:39 Maybe after A critical moment. Or an emotional thing, or maybe if you guys are drinking beers at night as teenagers. We're flipped. Yeah usually I could tell if the eyes got really big, I'd be like, Oh boy, here we go. Yeah, yeah, red face, big eyes. I'm like, oh, oh, oh we're getting into Hulk's. Energy frequency has changed.

18:07 Yeah, that's that's what I would think about when I think about like how to whittle it down to Something basic. Next up Dr. Willoughby Britton.

18:20 Clinical psychologist and founder of Cheetah House. A nonprofit that provides evidence based information and support. From Meditators in Distress. Are there any

18:36 Intensive retreats. That's You recommend or extended retreats. And I suppose the broader question is how Can one know.

18:47 Where to practice. And vet properly. Right. If if someone wants to do a meditation restreat. And the reason I ask is for instance with psychedelics, which are still largely underground at this point, even though At some point hopefully there will be

19:03 entire framework for administering them reasonably safely to people who fit certain criteria. If someone finds a facilitator who says, No one under my care has ever had a bad trip, that is a huge red flag. deluding themselves, they're lying. Or they're really inexperienced. Those are kind of the only options on the table because you're effectively using nuclear power.

19:29 To change The The plasticity of the mind. Of course there are going to be adverse events. Of course there are going to be outliers. And so you want someone who has actually handled those cases. to push my F one analogy. If you go to a a racetrack, let's just say, and you're going to a track day

19:48 And the track runner says we've never had any accident of any type on our track. That's a bad thing because someone's going to have an accident. You want to make sure they have protocols in place. They have experience. They have the presence of mind to handle it calmly, et cetera, et cetera. So I could see that applying also to Vetting. Meditation retreats, but putting myself in the position of someone listening to this, I might say, Holy shit.

20:11 Of the people who've tried meditation once, X percentage have these persistent problems like this seems really, really dangerous. Maybe I just shouldn't meditate. So To maybe offset that a little bit. Are there retreats that you Ever recommend and how can someone vet?

20:28 If they are considering doing. A retreat. A lot of it has to do with matching the goals To the person, so I don't want to necessarily rule out or recommend any particular retreat across the board. I think that

20:44 There are certain retreats that are pretty repeat offenders. And those are ones that have like high dose, you know. Fifteen hours of meditation a day, no movement practice. Often you see an alternation between walking

21:03 And sitting and sometimes there's even yoga added. So More intense practices. With No movement and also not necessarily

21:15 Tailored. Feedback from teachers. So I would be very careful before going on one of those And I think just in general there are So many different options for retreats these days. You can do like an afternoon retreat where it's only a couple hours.

21:31 Start there. Titrate Up. And you can do this at home. You don't even have to necessarily spend the money. You can just Download an app and do that for a day and see how you do, you know, like

21:42 titrate up and and add a day at a time, rather than signing up for a ten day retreat. This is something I have not mentioned before. Is that I've done shorter meditation retreats, like two or three days with no issues whatsoever. So I just want to point that out. The other fine detail that I want to mention, because I think Spirit Rock runs a very Good ship.

22:02 And I think they're very well formatted and they do have safeguards in place that They Explicitly Advise against fasting. Mm-hmm. And I

22:14 violated that rule. I overrode that. Right. And Also added.

22:20 the psychedelics, which certainly I had not mentioned to anyone until I had already sort of capsized. Yeah. This never used to be an issue. But I know that people are doing that. That people are bringing psychedelics on retreats and

22:35 I think a lot of the retreats They have to manage a lot of people. People are already having like challenging experiences. The regular kind of challenging experiences. With meditation.

22:48 And so to have to manage people who are also taking psychedelics is that's a lot. It's not really fair to a meditation retreat. No, it's gonna be invisible to them for the most part. Yeah. I'm sure. Right, it's not gonna be reported. Just like people lie on their medical intakes about the psychiatric medications they're taking, if they are wedded to

23:10 Taking psychedelics with a facilitator. This happens all the time. people sort of misrepresent their health status. Because they're so vested in this last Hail Mary Obi-Wan Kenobi or our final hope solution and panacea that they see in psychedelics, and I have to imagine that also happens. With

23:28 Meditation retreats. I should also say I'd love for you to say a bit more about repeat offenders. Are there any other Characteristics or format issues that you see producing more problems than others outside of what you already mentioned? So in terms of the retreat or meditation type or in terms of personal risk factors?

23:49 The retreat or meditation type that seemed to produce a higher volume. Uh People with these issues. I would say retreats that recruit or are attracting a certain type of meditator, which by the way, like

24:04 You fit the bill, like pretty exactly. When I heard the story, I was like, Wow, that's pretty emblematic of Textbook. Yeah. Young male. Pretty educated. Combining all sorts of tools, you know, fairly aggressive.

24:22 We used to joke that one of the risk factors was zealotry. A kind of zealotry, a zeal. So something like that. And so there's a certain kind of almost like military This is gonna be a really, really hard retreat. Those types of retreats are A little bit more

24:40 high risk. And I think there's also the combination of the person and the Teacher slash format. One of the things that we found that was really shocking in the varieties of contemplative experience study Is that On one hand, we expected to see people who ran into

24:56 problems as people who Had lots of problems in their lives. But when we actually like looked at the data. Seventy five percent had graduate degrees, MD, PhDs, JDs. These were like CEOs of major companies. These are like super high achieving people. And we're like, This is so interesting. How do we make sense of that? And we're like, Oh right, being a high achiever is a risk factor.

25:19 I was just about to say, like the drug addiction in the medical profession is off the charts. Like suicide's off the charts. So It's because these are the kinds of people that you're like, okay, you're gonna sit and follow your breath, and they're like okay, like They're the ones that show up early for the meditation and they are the last ones to leave. They follow instructions exactly. They would never modify the instructions for their own. benefit that would not even occur to them. Unless they make it more intense. You know, the kinds of people that and this is kind of where trauma comes in. If you've been trained to

25:55 scan What Are the expectations here? What are the sort of unspoken social rules that I need to Ace in order to not be punished. If that's like kind of your MO running in the background, then we have all these people like following instructions exactly, not modifying them. Basically

26:15 Listening to an external authority rather than their own internal compass. That's the recipe for disaster. And so if you can interface with really any type of meditation Spiritual system. with maintaining your inner compass

26:31 That's gonna be a recipe for a much better outcome. Not everybody can do that, and not all systems are tolerant of that. And so I would also encourage, and we've had lots of trainings with meditation centers trying to be able to be able to be more flexible.

26:48 And so if somebody knows like I need to be able to leave the meditation In the middle, so that I'm not continuing to meditate. And the meditation retreat manager is like, No, that won't be allowed. You have to stay. If you come, you have to stay for the whole thing. That's not really allowing flexibility. So are there ways that people can titrate the amount of practice that they're getting within a retreat. Is there a way to like

27:11 Hey, on on Wednesday we'll have burger night for people who need to like increase the like fat intake, you know, that is actually happening now. The vegetarian diet piece is super interesting. I mean I I don't know if the A cuity is is sufficient as a factor, but it makes me think also With for instance.

27:30 Some of these conditions that are Let's just say contraindicated for most psychedelic use, schizophrenia. borderline personality disorder. Understanding these are all kind of like word salad things taken from the DSM, which is kind of a big question mark for a lot of reasons. But some of these more for lack of a better term sort of chaotic conditions or contraindicated respond really well to something called metabolic psychiatry, with and Chris Palmer has spoken about this out of Harvard. using high fat, effectively ketogenic diet, but like high fat moderate protein. Some of these people respond incredibly well. So if you look though at the food served at these meditation retreats, uniformly effectively the exact polar opposite, right? Which is kinda interesting.

28:15 Last but not least Sheila Keane Co-founder of Triad Consulting Group, and co-author of Thanks for the feedback. The science and art

28:24 Of receiving feedback well. And Difficult conversations. How to discuss. What matters most

28:33 One foundation thing. Is Have the two of you had a conversation about How they prefer to get feedback.

28:45 And That can be one of the most helpful and powerful things to do, which is to sit down and talk about hey, what makes you feel appreciated? Because some people need to hear the words. Other people Don't really care about the words.

28:57 But The fact that you come to them. For advice with some of your toughest problems, or you you know, would like their input on your proofreading. Tell them they're valued.

29:07 Right? So What makes you feel appreciated if I have Coaching for you. What's your advice to me?

29:16 On when and how. Together. Do you have pet peeves? About feedback. Generally.

29:23 We all had pet peeves. That's a really interesting conversation to have. When you're triggered by feedback How can I tell? How will I be able to tell? And

29:32 Maybe totally obvious, but sometimes people shut down. And I can't tell whether you're Taking it in or arguing. In your head. And when you are triggered or feeling defensive.

29:44 What advice do you have for me? And what will help. And We have a we have a little template that's like How to get the best out of me.

29:52 Right. Each of us Can jot down some thoughts too. And then talk about. How to get the best out of me. Is that a template that is available online or that we could put in the show notes? Yeah, on the triad.

30:05 Consulting website. Try consulting. Dot com. We have a

30:10 A nav called help yourself. And it's got a bunch of Templates, exercises, etc. So Just

30:19 Having that conversation up front means I don't have to guess. Uh how to Give you feedback'cause you've already Told me and hopefully I've taken some notes, which I

30:30 Keep handy to remind myself. And so I can refer back, like, hey I had a couple of thoughts about the presentation last week. And I wonder when it would be helpful to chat about it. A little bit, or whatever.

30:42 Right? The second thing is that Really, the fastest way to change a feedback culture and to help people be more receptive. Is to become a good receiver yourself and be soliciting. And e listening.

30:57 feedback from others and to assume every conversation Even when I Think I'm pretty clearly the giver here. I'm probably gonna end up being a receiver. 'Cause what they're gonna say is well the reason I did that is'cause you

31:08 We're so unclear. about what you wanted or whatever. So I have to assume there are things I've contributed to the situation. That are gonna be part of the conversation even when For me the primary purpose is to tell you what I think You could do.

31:24 Differently or better. There's a question that We юзала. That I think is incredibly helpful just in building a habit of integrating feedback into daily life.

31:35 Which is not, hey, do you have any feedback for me? Which we've talked about as Terrible question. Well intended, but terrible. Particularly from a leader, because giving feedback up feels very risky and fraught.

31:46 So if you are in a position of Leadership. You are impacting more and more people. And fewer and fewer of them are gonna take the chance to tell you about it. So you've got to actually have some pretty advanced skills in

32:00 receiving feedback and inviting it. And one way you can do that is Um to ask. What's one thing? What's one thing?

32:08 That I'm doing or maybe failing to do that you think is getting in the way. Or what's one thing that if I could change it? Would make a difference to you. Or what's one thing that in our Monday morning Meeting.

32:18 We could change to make it more efficient. Because I know people are flagging, their energy's flagging. That's a question that you can Toss off while you're walking down the hall and it lowers the stakes. It's very clear you're asking for coaching, you're looking for something to improve.

32:33 And you're also signalling, and by the way, I expect you to be receptive. To coaching also. 'Cause I'm gonna demonstrate I value it, I assume I'm still learning, and I expect that you're still learning too. And now here are the bios for all the guests.

32:50 This episode is a bit of an anomaly, a bit of a highlight for me. It deviates from the usual format. I am interviewing a world class performer, in this case, my good friend Steve Jang, who is one of those people, one of those tech founders and entrepreneurs and investors who who seems to be able to look around corners to see things before they go mainstream and he has an impeccable record, but in this particular sit down, we are in person In Seoul, South Korea. I

33:22 had wanted to visit Korea for twenty plus years. and had never pulled the trigger, finally did. I always wanted to go with a friend who could show me around and Steve Jang is such a person. And Korea exceeded every expectation on every level.

33:40 In every dimension. It really blew my mind, and so I wanted to do an episode discussing All things Korea. So in this conversation, we talk about the K wave, that is the exploding soft power of Korea, which is not accidental, by the way. The poverty to power playbook, so to speak. How did they go from, I don't want to say a backwater, but a very handicapped, economically handicapped country to being an incredible export economy with a global presence, not just in entertainment, but in hardware, in all sorts of technology, et cetera. Number of concepts like Han, must see movies, and much more. And before we dive into Steve's bio, I wanted to share

34:23 His Top must see Korean movies. So I'm just gonna list them out, give you some Scooby Snacks in the very beginning. Here we go. Old boy. Wailing, that's W A I L I N G so old boy, Wailing, the Handmaiden. Memories of murder.

34:39 Parasite, many of you will have seen this and this comes up in the conversation. Burning. Minadi? M-I-N-A-R-I Broker, which is from 2022, and joint security area. All right, so who is Steve Jang? You can find him on Twitter at Steve Jang, J A N. G. Steve is the founder and managing partner at Kindred Ventures, an early stage venture capital fund based in San Francisco. He is one of the founder now investor generation of VCs that arose out of the last technology cycle. And he and I have been advisors to a lot of the same companies, investing in a lot of the same companies. He is very, very good at what he does. Steve

35:17 Steve is one of the top one hundred venture capital investors in the world, according to the Forbes Midas list of top venture capital investors, and was ranked number forty five in twenty twenty three. He's also a Korean American A Giopo We'll explain what Gilbo is, who is deeply invested and involved in both the technological and cultural worlds in the US and Asia. He is often a bridge. Previously, Steve was an early advisor to and angel investor in Uber, and then an early stage investor in some names you might recognize, Coinbase. Postmates, Poshmark, Tonal, Blue Bottle Coffee, and Humane.

35:53 the AI device platform that is getting a lot of buzz right now, in fact. He helped Uber, Coinbase, and Blue Bottle Coffee, among others, to expand into Korea and Japan. He is very familiar with both places. As an entrepreneur, Steve co-founded companies in the consumer internet, mobile and crypto space. And on top of all of that, in the film and music world, he is an executive producer. His most recent film is Nam Jun Pike.

36:18 Moon is the oldest TV, which tells the story of the greatest Korean artist and father of digital video art, which premiered at the Sundance Film Festival in twenty twenty three. His next film is a documentary about Vitalik Buterin. The creator of Ethereum. You can find Steve on Twitter, as I mentioned, at Steve Jang. You can find Kindred Ventures at Kindredventures.com and you can find Steve on LinkedIn. at Steve Jang One.

36:46 It is my pleasure today to have Wilby Britton PhD on the podcast. She is a clinical psychologist and associate professor of psychiatry and human behavior at Brown University Medical School, and the director of Brown's Clinical and Effective Neuroscience Laboratory. And that is Affective with an A. Her clinical neuroscience research investigates the effects of contemplative practices. i.e. meditation, or certainly one example being meditation, on the brain and body in the treatment of mood disorders, trauma, and other conditions. She is especially interested in which practices are best or worst suited for which types of people or conditions and why. She's probably best known for her research on adverse effects. why they happen and how to mitigate them and we'll be doing a very deep dive on this, certainly. Dr. Britten is the founder of Cheetah House, as in the large and very fast Cat Cheetah, a nonprofit organization that provides evidence based information and support for meditators in distress. as well as meditation safety trainings to providers and organizations. You can find Cheetah House on Twitter at Cheetah House org, Facebook, you can find at Cheetahouse.org and on Instagram at cheetah.house.

37:59 My guest today is Sheila Heen. This is her second appearance on the podcast. Sheila has spent the last three decades Working to understand how people can better navigate conflict. with a particular specialty in difficult conversations.

38:15 God knows we need more of that expertise for all of our sakes. She is a founder of Triad Consulting Group, a professor at Harvard Law School, and a co author of Thanks for the Feedback, the science and art of receiving feedback well and Even when it's off base, unfair, poorly delivered, and frankly you're not in the mood with Douglas Stone and Difficult Conversations, subtitle How to Discuss What Matters Most. Also with Douglas Stone and Bruten with a newly updated third edition that was just released in August. Sheila and her colleagues at Triad work with leaders and organizations to build their capacity to have the conversations that matter most. Her clients have included Pixar, American Express, the MBA, The Singapore Supreme Court, maybe we'll talk about that, who knows? The Obama White House. and theologians struggling with the nature of truth and God. She is schooled in negotiation daily by her three children. You can find my first and very popular conversation with Sheila at Tim.blog slash Sheila Heen.

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40:20 Thanks for listening.