UFO Roundtable: CIA Physicist Proves Aliens Exist

0:00 There has been an eighty year cover up of the existence of non human intelligent life. Covered up by elements of the US government. But this past Friday, the first tranche of evidence was released to the public. And the evidence is absolutely clear that there is some form of life with advanced technology. They're all over the place. But the people involved in gatekeeping this information don't think the public can handle the truth. People have had their lives threatened. A lot of them are afraid to come forward and tell the White House what they know. And this has been kept from even sitting president. And I've interviewed high level intelligence officials and government officials and there have been UAP crashes over the years and in some cases the crashed crafts had the bodies of non-humans in it. And now we have people on ships seeing these things enter the water. We've seen enough times under enough different conditions that we just have to accept it just for real. So what exactly is inside this report? We have so many signings, even access to materials. And there's a number of files, reports, video, and still images that were declassified. And the most notable piece of evidence in there is this. So I have so many questions. You're probably familiar with this NASA report. They essentially say that they don't believe that these UAPs are aliens. Why would NASA be lying? Is there a reason why this stuff hasn't been captured on like an iPhone? Are they all currently living amongst us? And then Do you trust the Trump administration to release

1:22 All of the available information. I think eventually we'll get to that moment that we've all only seen in movies, where like a sitting president steps to a microphone and tells the world we're not alone in the universe. Guys, I've got a favor to ask before this episode begins. The algorithm, if you follow a show, will deliver you the best episodes from that show very prominently in your feed. So when we have our best episodes on this show The most shared episodes, the most rated episodes. I would love you to know. And the simple way for you to know that is to hit that follow button. But also it's the simple easy free thing that you can do to help us make this show better. And I would be hugely grateful if you could take a minute on the app you're listening to this one right now and hit that follow button. Thank you so, so so much.

2:09 Doctor Harold. Done. I wanted to have a conversation with both of you today because you are two of the most popular voices online on this subject of UAPs, which is unidentified anomalous. phenomena. Right. Exactly. It has been in all the news recently because Trump a couple of days ago released four hundred classified files containing videos and photos and different reports on this subject of UAPs.

2:32 Now I Don't have an opinion. I I honestly haven't gone that far down the rabbit hole on this subject, but I wanted to have the conversation with both of you because you do have opinions. So starting with you, Dan. What is your background and as it relates to the subject of UAPs?

2:50 What is it that you believe that most people don't know or understand. My interest in this topic comes from my childhood. And so over the years I just I read every book on the topic, watched every doc. I always wish someone had made a super serious, credible, sober documentary that only interviews people who have direct knowledge of this topic as a result of working for the US government. And so got into producing as I was getting access to high level intelligence officials and government officials before I even filmed.

3:19 really quickly how serious and real the situation is and how uh serious it's treated behind the scenes. And you know, I made this movie, The Age of Disclosure, in secrecy over three and a half years. And I would say the headlines that I learned that the average person doesn't know Is that there has in fact been an eighty year cover up of the existence of non human intelligent life.

3:43 It has been covered up by elements of the US government. since at least the late forties. Other nations have also covered this up. And the other major headline is that uh the people who within the US government that have been gatekeeping this

3:57 We've also been involved in a high stake secret Cold War race with adversarial nations like China and Russia to reverse engineer this technology of non human origin and and the stakes couldn't be higher. Those are the two massive headlines. Uh and and I'm proud to say when the film came out, It created a national conversation. uh at an at an unprecedented level. And

4:17 It led to President Trump issuing this directive in the middle of February. super unprecedented historic directive instructing federal agencies to start declassifying evidence it has they have of non human intelligence life and UAP. And then that process began this past Friday. The first tranche of evidence was released to the public.

4:40 And During the process of producing this documentary Who did you speak to? I got access to the highest levels of the m government, military, and intelligence community. My interview subjects range from Secretary Rubio, who's also our national security advisor now. White House National Security Council members

4:57 Navy fighter pilots, admirals, generals, a former secretary of defense uh the leadership of all the recent classified US government UAP investigations. Every single person is extremely credible. Hal Hal is one of my interview subjects. Hal's uh one of the most senior scientists uh to work on this topic for the US government. And

5:19 classified projects and him and all these other people interviewed They had a lot of information they could legally share. over the years, but they were always discouraged from doing so and they never really had the opportunity to comfortably do it. No one wanted to be the one guy out on a limb saying something extraordinary on CNN or Fox or Sixty Minutes and then being subject to the the pushback and the ridicule. And so when I realized that I

5:42 I started socializing. A plan for how to step out of the shadows arm in arm with safety and number. I'll pick up on that. How

5:53 He he mentioned you there. You're part of the documentary, I saw you as well in the trailer of the documentary. What is your background and why what reference points are you drawing on to speak on the subject of UAPs and UFOs, et cetera? I'm a quantum physicist, uh, work for the national security agency for various uh organizations in the intelligence community like CIA and so on. And so as part of my technical work, uh I was also a consultant, uh chief science advisor to Robert Bigelow of Bigelow Aerospace. He's really quite quite a Titan. I mean, he has two space stations orbiting the earth.

6:29 So anyway th those people who are in in the space business and they're moving out into space They just can't help but wondering, you know, what are we gonna run into when when we get out there. As a science advisor to him, uh Turned out that the Defense Intelligence Agency came forward. and said uh you know, we need to find out uh really what's uh going on in the so called UAP area.

6:53 So you worked with someone called Robert Bigelow? He's the guy who knows everything. about what is possible. in terms of aerospace technology and and anything that would be in the air or space, simply put. One day One of his colleagues comes to his office.

7:07 Pulls him into a skiff. and shows him a video that Air Force security guards took over a nuclear weapon site. It was a triangle UAP hovering over a nuclear weapon site. This colleague said, Please tell me this is one of ours, like one of our black projects. you know, some advanced cutting edge technology that's ours.

7:26 And he knew instinctively it it was not. That set him down a rabbit hole. He's like there's gotta be some office somewhere in the intelligence community that handles UFOs. So he went all over trying to find it. him and his colleague. They couldn't find one. So then they determined

7:39 they were just gonna start a UAP program. That program they started was called OSAP. They hired all the team, for example, how And that program started in two thousand eight. Um And got a lot of pushback behind the scenes because it turned out

7:55 When they looked all over the intelligence community to see if there was another UFO program and didn't think there was, turns out there was one. And there was a deeply hidden program referred to as the legacy program. And it had been operating in the shadows since the forties. uh outside of congressional oversight, outside of the oversight of the White House. Um completely you know off offly hidden away.

8:16 Yeah. As hidden as a program can be. And so they started pushing back behind the scenes against everyone involved in offset because Didn't want

8:25 anyone else looking into this, right? Started to cause a lot of bureaucratic issues for them. red tape issues, and ultimately OSAP lost its funding in two thousand ten, despite the fact that it was looking into very real issues like UAP over our nuclear weapon sites. It shut down in two thousand ten. Why do you think it shut down? They were dealt uh these bureaucratic hurdles behind the scenes by people involved in the legacy program, people who just caused

8:49 Exactly. Big bureaucracy people can people can do things behind the scenes to prevent funding from coming through, uh for programs. And So ultimately they lost their their funding in two thousand ten and then Jay Stratton and other people involved they were continuing to look i into this because They

9:08 They didn't want this serious national security concern to go You know, on uh uninvestigated, right? Okay, these pilots are out there and they suddenly see craft coming out of the ocean and making right angle turns and six G or whatever, and they say, Oh my God, this is way beyond our physics. So I and other physicists sort of dug into, you know, what could be responsible for this. And we actually found that just like we use so called Maxwell's equations and electromagnetic stuff for everything we do in electromagnetics

9:41 We have Einstein's equations in general relativity for Yeah, black holes and all that kind of stuff. But it turns out if you could engineer those, you would actually get the same effects that people were observing with these UEP craft. So we think we've come up with you know, what it is about uh The science of it. It's just that we don't have the engineering to do it.

10:02 Do you believe in UAPs? Absolutely believe in UAPs because I've been exposed to data about them. A more specific question would be Do you believe in aliens? Yeah. So a number of the people I interviewed Went on the record. stating that they know from their own personal experiences

10:20 That There have been UAP crashes over the years that have been recovered. By elements of the US government and in some cases

10:29 the the crashed crafts had the bodies of non humans in them. And Numerous people. I interviewed one on the record. Saying that.

10:38 And keep in mind, everyone I interviewed only shared what they lawfully could. There was a line they couldn't cross. Every I interviewed is aware of class side information. they can't talk about, but they went right up to the line and uh made it clear that there had been recoveries of non human bodies. A couple of people actually testified under oath to Congress saying the same thing.

10:58 Why wouldn't they be able to talk about it publicly? Well, when you're involved in certain programs, uh, you sign certain agreements That prevent you from sharing. Right. course the big concern is okay, whatever we might learn about these kind of craft and and so on.

11:16 Our adversaries are out there and there probably been there have been crashes in Russia, crashes in China. And so if we reveal what we're learning about the subject area And Yeah, said it publicly, then it it might help some potential adversary. That's why it's all just kept really close in. So a saying that I heard often from my interview subjects, you can't tell your friends without telling your enemies.

11:45 meaning you can't tell the public what we know and don't know without also telling China and Russia, what we know and don't know. And giving them that information might give them a competitive advantage. And the the obvious question anyone would ask when hearing that is then well okay, so what's shifted? Why is Why is that no longer the leading thought? Secrecy is best. And the answer is because

12:04 the US is in a really high stakes. race a technology race against these adversaries. To reverse engineer technology of non human origin. And the secrecy around it in the US.

12:17 Since the forties. has created A scenario where the scientific community And academia don't even know it's real. They don't even know it's a valid area of inquiry. Don't even believe it's real. The smartest kids graduating at MIT this year. They are not thinking that this is something they can put their brain power towards.

12:34 Come back to the question, do you believe in aliens? I one hundred percent believe that non human intelligent life. Is here. And has been here for a long time.

12:44 When you say here, do you mean currently living amongst us? I don't know about the living part. I don't know about that, but rule it out. There's there is UAP activity. Being reported on a daily basis. by commercial airlines pilot.

12:58 commercial airline pilots to the FAA. By Navy fighter pilots. off the east coast being reported. Yeah, up the military chain of command. And on top of that

13:08 uh regular activity over our nuclear weapon sites. Inside the United States. It's happening on a regular basis. Uh on the s on on the nuclear sites and on a daily basis. in commercial

13:20 UAP have come over nuclear uh missile sites. And actually turned off the missiles. And so Yeah, once something like that happens, you just gotta take it seriously. And they're the technology that they're displaying is technology that no humans have.

13:39 And again, there has been some crashes, and in those crashes there have been the bodies of non humans. How do we know that? How do we know that in those crashes they've recovered bodies of non humans? Whistleblowers basically coming forward from the So we so the basis of the e that evidence is that some people have said it. At this point. Until until Previously classified information.

14:02 regarding crashes is and recoveries is declassified. Until that happens, the best we could hope for is credible people. putting their reputation on the line. To tell you this is what's been happening. Did someone during your process of making the documentary who had seen non alien, non human life. Non human intelligence.

14:21 Tell you that. Yeah. Who was that? a a number of people, but notably You know?

14:26 uh Jay Stratton who we just talked about. Yes, right. Who co created, co founded OSAP. and then became the director of the UAP task force, the largest whole of government investigation of UAP ever. What did he say? He went on the record uh in the film saying that he's seen non human beings and non human craft with his own eyes. That was the farthest he could go at that point. Why did he say he couldn't go further? Uh he he he he had a situation that he

14:51 was involved in that um For a few reasons he wasn't he just wasn't comfortable talking about it yet. Um some of it I think he just wanted to make sure he legally could. Now going back to credibility, like take a guy like Jay saying that. When Jay retired Few years back, he was

15:07 part of the senior executive services of the federal government. That's a level less than one percent of all federal employees ever reach. You know, it's the equivalent of a two star admiral or general. Um very, very senior, very trusted.

15:19 Yeah. Cleared at a very high level. Um He had worked with naval intelligence in a senior capacity uh he had worked with the CIA, he had worked with the Defense Intelligence Agency as the head of air and space warfare. He's a super serious, credible guy.

15:34 And he's he's he's putting his reputation on the line to share this information. Um to the extent that he legally could and and comfortably could. And when you asked him why The world doesn't know this stuff.

15:48 In his view, what did he what would he say? There's a lot of reasons. I mean, certainly the You know, the idea that we can't tell Friends without telling our enemies. Has been a driver.

15:57 to just to recap the reasons for secrecy, I I I actually believe it it's better to kinda start from the beginning. When this f when when in nineteen forty seven There was a crash at Roswell. of non human origin.

16:08 And uh yeah. R A R A F Captures Flying Saucer on Ranch in Roswell region. Yeah. And then this is the image of their cover up story trying to show a weather ballooner. Yeah, so multiple people my film go on the record saying the Roswell crash really happened. uh technology of non human origin and non human bodies were recovered. Um if you put yourself in the shoes of the military and government at that point, like put yourself in Truman and you know Eisenhower shoes. You're just coming out of World War Two.

16:34 The world was just chaos for a very long time. It's finally starting to settle down. You can't exactly step to the microphone and tell America that there's a new threat. that we know nothing about and we can't protect you from they're far advanced, you know. uh what what's the advantage of that? So secrecy became the plan at that point.

16:52 And They had more questions than answers. So everyone I've talked to who gave me context, uh explained that the the the the plan for secrecy went in motion there. Uh let's investigate, let's find out more about what we don't know before we tell the American people. That was quickly followed by the Cold War era.

17:10 And we learned that Russia also had retrieved technology of non human origin. And so we knew we were in a a technology race. So then the idea of can't tell your friend without telling your enemy ruled the day. So now the Cold War mentality you know, led to more secrecy. And as a security wrapper for this this program that it That it started. Uh they created the stigma.

17:30 in the late forties, early fifties, this cultural stigma, this idea that you're crazy if you look into this topic, you're wacky, you'll have your reputation ruined, you'll have a career ruined. Let's go out of our way to spread. What we would call now disinformation. Ver basically the most effective disinformation campaign in the history of the US government because it got into our culture, some movies were funded that made aliens seem silly and the idea of life from elsewhere seem ridiculous, and that got compounded over the years. And then we got to the point where

18:07 where we were like, you know, just just like a few years ago. Where the average person just thinks it's not real. You know, the average scientists, academia, you know, they think it's conspiracy stuff, it's nonsense, it's silly. Um, there was no advantage for elected leaders to get in front of this, or for military members to, you know, speak up about what they learned or saw. It would be a career ruiner. Um And uh That started to shift.

18:32 Several years back. When Jay Stratton and Jim Lkaske when they put together this app in two thousand ten and they started to go out there and collect data. Um and get evidence.

18:46 And they started to actually share it with the Senate intelligence committee. And the Senate Armed Services Committee. And looking at classified data in a classified setting, people like Marco Rubio, who was the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee at the time, started to realize Yeah. Not only is there something here, but we've got a problem, right? There's a lot of lot of UAP activity.

19:05 over these highly classified sites like our nuclear weapon sites. There's a lot at stake. We are in this you know, race with other nations. And the stigma has created a disadvantage for us. It's very hard to win a technology race when the majority of scientists

19:20 don't know it's a valid area of inquiry, right? And do people think that there's one type of Non human intelligence that's visiting the earth. There is there are many, many types. So there are at least four. Types. Four separate types.

19:35 No, I have not had direct access to that, but I I I believe the people who I talk to All different types of life. Four different types of life, at least. And the people I've talked th to you know, through the process of making the documentary, both on camera and

19:51 off the record sources. And the people Hal's talked to over the decades have said that there are There have been dozens of recoveries of crashed craft in the US alone. dozens of craft of non human origin. That

20:05 either crashed organically or caused a crash. And then recovered. And have you spoken to people who you talked about Jay, have you spoken to other people that have Work on these.

20:15 Crashed crafts. I've ta I've talked off the record with some people who are involved in recoveries. They would not go on camera to do interviews. Special forces people that would not. go on camera and do interviews. One I actually thought I've I've mentioned this in another interview, but um

20:31 One I thought was gonna do an interview and then a couple of days before sent me a message saying after further consideration and long talks with my wife, I decided I'd be forfeiting my life if I participated in your interview. And I thought that was like very unsettling. Very unsettling message to get, obviously, but also very specific word choice, you know, forfeiting my life. What did he know? He was a special very senior special forces guy who

20:56 had told me he had been involved in Multiple recoveries. That's what he told me. Okay. And I met him through uh

21:04 some high level intelligence people. Early on in my process I got connected with the Senate intelligence committee. And the Senate Armed Services Committee. And they had on their own learned the reality of the situation. Through the

21:18 the work of OSAP and then ATEP and then the UAP task force. And through their own their own intelligence channels. Lieders on those committees wanted to educate the public about what they

21:31 could lawfully about this, but they didn't really have a way to do it. It's such a complicated situation. It takes a while to explain it. You can't do it in like a six minute news hit on Fox or CNN or even like a fifteen minute, sixty minute segment. You just can't do it. And no one wanted to be the one guy trying to do it. So when I started putting together the film and socializing this safe way for people to step forward Uh it also quickly became

21:57 those people's plan for disclosure. That's why Secretary Rubio participated. That's why White House National Security Council members participated. It became amongst the group of people who had learned the truth. It became the plan for disclosure, the way to bring This information out in a thoughtful Way. Do the presidents of the United States

22:17 know about this stuff. Are they aware of it? Historically. Yeah, and even Rubio says on camera. That You know, historically This has been kept from

22:26 Even sitting presidents. Who would know then? So A number of the people in my film break down Um

22:33 who's involved in the legacy program. Yeah. Simp to put it simply, it's elements of the CIA. Elements of the Air Force. Elements of the Department of Energy.

22:43 And a few major defense contractors. And they have the ability. to access information from a number of federal agencies and branches of the military, but the the primary leaders of this program are the CIA, the Air Force, the Department of Energy, and major defense contractors. And Rubio breaks down in the film the way our bureaucracy works Um

23:01 You could have career bureaucrats in positions of power at those organizations. For decades. And they can just wait out sitting presidents. They can wait out sitting senators. Sitting presidents is just temporary help. That are gonna come and go.

23:17 And that's what's been happening. Up until this point now. So The fact that Rubio had learned so much about the reality of the situation and the extent of the cover up. And then ended up

23:28 arguably the second most powerful guy in the world as our secretary of state and our national security advisor at the same time. Which has only happened once in US history, Henry Kissinger for two years. No one else has ever had both those jobs at the same time. The fact that he ended up in that position of power and influence after learning the reality of the situation. And right as the age of disclosure is coming out and driving this national conversation. It really led to

23:52 the current president Trump being informed about this in a way that no president has in a very long time. So are you saying that the United States don't think the public are ready to even know that this exists. Because You know, they could tell us that They have recovered

24:07 UAPs or aliens, whatever it might be. Without telling us about the technology. They couldn't. I think we're gonna get to that point. Yeah, I think they they were trapped in in this system that had that had grown up. And uh people behind the scenes working in the classified programs said, Well, you know, we don't know how the public is gonna respond, so let's be safe and let's let's just keep it in house. Do you think Trump believes that there are aliens

24:33 'Cause I I was looking at some of his quotes and he said, Well I don't know if they're real or not. I don't have an opinion on it I never talk about it. A lot of people do. A lot of people believe it. Barack Obama said. But aliens. Are real.

24:47 Well he gave classified information. He's not supposed to be doing that. Yeah. No, I don't I don't have an opinion on it. I never talk about it. Lot of people do. Lot of people believe it. Do you believe it, Peter? I may get him out of trouble by declassifying.

25:07 one of the things that came out in the age of disclosure is that During Trump's first administration. His cabinet was briefed. Bye.

25:18 The UAP Task Force. By J Stratton. And When he brief them. Uh he was told

25:25 that they had asked for this briefing. because they needed to be able to evaluate what the repercuss would be if Trump decided to step to the microphone and tell the world we're not alone in the universe. Obviously he Didn't end up deciding to do that then. However, in this new administration,

25:40 He's got Rubio. in a position of secretary of state and national security advisor and fully aware of the situation. And that has given him the comfort to put this this process in motion. There's certainly a disclosure process unfolding right now. Obama said in an interview that he did with Brian Tyler Cohen.

25:57 When asked about Aliens. Obama said, They're real, but I haven't seen them. They're not being kept to Area fifty one. There's no underground facility unless there's this enormous conspiracy and they hid it from the president of the United States. Now that sounded to me like kind of sarcasm when he said they're real, but and then explained all that they're not real. They're real b but I haven't seen'em and and and uh they're not being kept in uh area fifty one. Uh there there's no underground

26:23 Uh for Soldy. Unless there's this enormous conspiracy. And they They hid it from the president of the United States. So it would appear to me that Obama also doesn't

26:35 No of any aliens. Think Obama is largely kept in the dark. I think he does know that the base fact that we're not alone in the universe, and I actually think when he said they're real I think he was being That was just honest. That was his honest, candid, genuine statement. I think when he then said they're not kept at Air Fifty One.

26:54 Think he's also being honest,'cause None of my sources. Say that U A P and Aliens are being kept at Area fifty one, they're being kept somewhere else. Um so I think he was being honest there. And I think when he made the comment of uh Unless there's a giant conspiracy. You watch the tape, he like sips his cup and

27:11 raises his eyes brows as he said, I think he knows there's a giant conspiracy. That's the truth. The following day, uh Trump was asked about that on Air Force One. And he responded saying, Obama revealed classified information and he shouldn't have said that. And um I think that's the truth. Yeah.

27:28 I think presidents don't don't know and they're and they're told not to talk about it. Trump has started to release a lot of classified information around UAP and aliens. What exactly is inside this report. There was a number of files, reports

27:46 Uh video And Uh still images. That were declassified. information that

27:54 Previously had been classified. Or just never really made public. Um This was just the first tronche of uh what has been what will be released. Uh the most notable piece of evidence in there.

28:07 Is an image. a still image from the nineteen seventy two Apollo mission. It's an image of a triangle uh seemingly triangle shaped craft hovering above the moon and above the astronauts and the image is taken from uh the from the lunar module. And um

28:24 You know, the UAP task force looked into this image. Years ago. uh and determined it was real. That seems to be the most glaring piece of evidence in this this tranche. But I will say this, Hal and I both have the same a lot of the same sources of information

28:38 And Everyone we've talked to at various federal agencies Has told us that When the president gave this directive in middle of February for federal agencies to declassify evidence of non human intelligence life and UAP Only a few

28:52 Engaged with it. They only gave a small percent of what they have. And they they only had a couple weeks to do it. Mm-hmm. One of the things I I think I've always struggled with with the idea of these kind of conspiracies. Um is that I don't know why that information would

29:08 Necessarily for into the hands of like government officials. Because, you know, alien life forms or UAPs would be visible and would land in anyone's uh back garden. So you would you can imagine a world, especially in a world where we have I don't know, like eight billion iPhones roaming around. You can imagine a world where if there was some kind of UAP crash in my garden. It would be on

29:29 TikTok within five minutes. Yeah. Jersey. And that was st on social media within minutes and everyone was talking about it and looking at what they were. ways to capture high quality video. If there was something Out there. We would have seen a very

29:55 Well there's a lot of things. Over the years our sensor systems that the pilots have in their planes have gotten so much better. They've captured really Does this life want to be seen? Do these aliens want us to know that they're I'd have to assume that given the level of quality of of their technology, if they didn't want to be seen, we we wouldn't be seeing'em.

30:22 So it seems like I would say there's evidence that For whatever reason. They're they're they're wanting to be seen. But also like I my personal opinion is that If someone answers that question, they're answering it.

30:34 through the lens of like how humans think, right? For all we know. You know, we're we're ants to them. You know, you don't hide from the ants, you walk around them. You don't even but you also don't Pay attention to them, you know.

30:50 How do you think they view us? I I honestly feel like the dynamic is Yeah. We are very, very far below them on the food chain. You know, Hal makes an analogy in the film. He says The ants in your

31:03 tree line in your backyard. They could be there for generations. You never think about them. You walk around them. You don't you're not hiding from them, but like they're there and you don't really care. Right?

31:13 But what happens if they evolve one day? And out of nowhere they figured out how to get into your house and they've beelined under your under your door and they're in your living room. Right? we might have evolved technologically. over the last eighty years since we cracked the atom.

31:27 So quickly that we're now Yeah, the equivalent of the ants showing up. in their living room. Like all of a sudden danger. All of a sudden this warring species, this violent species, humans, you know. Um we uh we we progressed so quickly. We went from no real technological progress progress for a very long time to cracking the atom and then figuring out nuclear technology and then continue to increase, you know, our our nuclear technology development.

31:54 And Yeah. Program that has been a little bit more than a lot of the yeah retrieving their crash craft and trying to reverse engineer them. So we might be at that point where we're about to do what they do and all of a sudden

32:06 We are a problem. Um, that might be the explanation of why they pay so much attention to our nuclear process. You know, there's a lot of UAP activity not only at the nuclear weapon sites. But um Sites involved in the process, the nuclear process, like uranium mines.

32:22 Or refineries. Is it pl you know, it might just be we've gotten to the point where all of a sudden They have they have to In uh in the Soviet Union uh the UAP came over and actually started

32:36 A launch. Of the Russian missiles. I mean uh actually force the system to start into a countdown pass. By

32:45 the intelligence community's uh access to information about it. Every person we spoke to in Belakorovice said they saw a flying saucer on that day. For hours it hovered over the nearby ballistic missile base. No one had touched any buttons. No one had entered any codes, and yet as the UFO hovered over the base

33:06 The control panel showed the missiles were preparing to launch. For fifteen agonizing seconds. The base lost control of its nuclear weapons. Logically I would think that

33:18 unusual activity would happen. Around consequential sites. Yes. You know, I'd be more surprised if there was really frequent unusual ac activity happening in my back garden, for for example. But Around

33:30 highly consequential sites, one would expect there to be People flying things around there, spying. You know what people are like with cameras these days, they want to take photos of anything interesting. They ha they hang around police stations and army barracks. So logically I would assume that there would be a an increased probability of strange activity in the sky above A nuclear site. Well, in fact there was a group of people in the intelligence community who who recognize exactly what you're saying. And so they decided to

33:57 Yeah, make an attractive magnet. But Getting a whole lot of nuclear uh assets in in one location to see if that would draw them in and it it was successful. So you know, our nation and other nations have figured out circumstances that

34:13 Can For lack of a better. Term Bait. UAP um a certain level of nuclear footprint.

34:20 in a s in a small radius. tends to attract them. And um Our nation figured that out a long time ago and and so did other nations. One of the things that I I've thought about is I n I know very little about physics, but

34:33 I know one thing I know is how big the universe is. Uh I'm quite a big fan of SpaceX, I'm actually an investor in the company and um From my fascination with space I've learnt just how big the universe is and how long it would take us to travel from I don't know, Earth to the nearest uh galaxy.

34:50 the closest star system to us, which is called Alpha Centauria. Mm-hmm. Centurious is over four light years away, which is about forty twenty four trillion miles. If we travelled. at the impossible, ten percent of the speed of light, which is impossible.

35:07 Currently impossible. It would take a ship forty years to get there. Now fortunately what we learned in looking at what might be the underlying physics and using Einstein's theory of general relativity, it turns out That there are ways of modifying the effective speed of light. To make it

35:26 Much higher. Or much lower. So you you can do that. So so when you get into What we call the space time metric.

35:36 You could get to a point where you could make wormholes and warp drives. And those are things that are not uh off the charts. I mean they're actually textbooks. by general relativity experts on on the fact that you could re engineer the space time. You could get from here to there. But you're not saying you would travel in like a like a

35:57 A a line like you do in a plane. Right. Well you could. You c you could. It it if if you arrange for the effective speed of light in that line Much higher. Then without breaking the speed of light.

36:11 You can zoom. over there very quickly. So you even even in in in the straight line. Uh But no no one at the moment knows how to do that.

36:21 On earth. We can write the equations and see how it doesn't violate our physics equations, but we don't have the Uh engineering. So we figured out basically we figured out How these how these craft are operating.

36:37 The theory of it. But we don't have the material sciences, right? What I'm pointing out is if you travel at that speed across the universe If you even hit I don't know. an object the size of a pebble. It would be like a nuclear explosion.

36:50 Yeah, but the thing is if you're modifying uh space it's sort of like making Like a surfer wave on on you know, at the at the seashore. You you arrange to have space moving ahead like that. So you come up to a rock, it's just gonna push it aside. So you can engineer that. This is how I've wrapped my head around it. Um essentially they're they're warping space time in a localized area. They're creating an immense amount of energy. Around the craft. And it creates essentially a bubble around the craft.

37:20 And that bubble separates the craft from the environment. around it. So the environment. has no No impact on the craft.

37:27 That's why we see transmedium travel like a craft. Going you know, smooth from space to air to the water without even a splash. the environment around the bubble. Has no bearing.

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39:48 Slash CEO. I'll see you over there. One of the paradoxes with this is they appear to be such So advanced in that Physics.

39:58 And their technology if if I should call it that. But at the same time they seem to be crashing a lot. Which is actually some of them have not crashed, but have been Simply Left in the desert. Sort of like a gift or a donation.

40:15 We're s we're still trying to figure that out. So I mean some of them do do do crash and and uh it it can have maybe some of our electromagnetic pulsing and laser pulsing uh can interfere with their technology and and and and you might get a crash. Wha why don't you th why do you think another country hasn't come forward with Similar disclosures and similar evidence. I actually think there's a really simple answer for that. Um I think Our allies. Follow the US's lead.

40:43 Right. And I think our adversaries. Primarily China and Russia. have no reason to go public. They don't have the same sort of societies and dynamics. Like she can do what he wants anyway. What's what's the advantage to him?

40:57 Same thing with Putin. You know, there is no advantage. And when you look at it that way, you really quickly get to the you know This is the way it is for that reason. They did a study in twenty twenty six and found that forty five planets

41:09 are likely capable of supporting life. They call this the habitable zone, out of more than six thousand planets discovered so far by NASA. Mm-hmm. Um, there are approximately a trillion galaxies in the universe, and within these galaxies a hundred thousand planets could potentially host life, according to Oxford University. Now I believe that If you think about the entire universe.

41:32 I believe that we're Not The only life in the universe. Yes, right. I think that's I mean it's I think that's a very scientific conclusion. Probabilistically it would be pretty incredible if we were. I mean it'd be just it's almost inconceivable that we are. The question of whether that life has been here is a question that for me is still a big question mark.

41:51 Because I just you know, I also I think Elon, you know, whatever you think about Elon He is someone that seems to just say what he thinks. And this is part of what's caused his companies a lot of problem is he d seems to be pretty unfiltered. He has been asked multiple times as well if he believes that they are there are aliens.

42:07 in the in in our galaxy. And he said on multiple occasions that he doesn't believe that to be the case. And he know he's launching rockets all the time. So he said I heard him say, If anyone should know it should be me. You do think he knows. I think that you can't operate

42:23 in space at at at Or operate as a contractor at the level he does. Um Without having

42:33 clearances that require secrecy. You know, there's There's there's all kinds of uh levels of secrecy. You know, there's c everyone knows the word classified, right? There's classified projects, but there's also black projects that are unacknowledged special access programs where you literally by law required to not acknowledge the existence of the program or anything it does.

42:55 That's literally the the anything it knows. Yeah. That's literally the whole that they're literally referred to as unacknowledged special access programs. That we have to be a team as well, we can't. So if you're involved with an unacknowledged special access program, someone asks you about it. You you have to say you have no idea what you're talking about. And all of his team. If if they are part of the program, yeah. But just because someone's um read it on an unacknowledged special ac access program doesn't mean all their employees are.

43:22 Elon said. Um that we have nine thousand satellites up there, he's referring to his company Starlink, and not once have we had to maneuver around an alien spaceship. He argues that if aliens were constantly visiting Earth, the aerospace experts who watch the skies every day would be the first to know. Well look, NASA also has said for decades that they had no evidence

43:41 Of Extra terrestrial life for UAPs. And last Friday, the federal government released a photo of a triangle craft hovering over the nineteen seventy two Apollo space mission. So somebody's somebody's not being honest. But you know. Which also implies a lot of other people know things that they haven't revealed. I've I think I've heard you say before how that you think

44:02 this intelligent life actually exists amongst us. Yeah, I I the quote was They are not oc occasional visitors. They live secretly alongside humans, but with advanced technology. We have so many sightings and so many uh even access to materials and so on. I mean, they're all over the place. Sixty five percent of Americans believe intelligent life exists on other planets.

44:24 Uh, forty percent of people say military reported UFOs are probably evidence of extraterrestrial life. Mm-hmm, according to Pew Research. And thirty percent of Americans believe UFOs or unidentified flying objects are probably alien ships of Life form, and 47% of Americans believe aliens have definitely or probably visited Earth at some point, according to you, Gov. Half of Americans believe. Yeah. UFOs. Slash aliens have

44:48 Definitely a probably visited life at some point. Mm. Well, you see you see you see the the uh age of disclosure film and the people that came forward I mean you had Clapper, X, uh Head of the office of Director of National Intelligence and Senator Rumiot at the time, now in his elevated position and so on.

45:10 You now have people of real quality And the you know they're not lying. And they're coming forth and saying, This is real And We got to deal with it.

45:22 And there's a lot we don't know about it. Could you be wrong? Um, I don't think it's about whether I'm wrong or How's wrong, you'd have to believe that senior leadership across

45:34 the government, the military, the intelligence community That has access to class side information. And it's saying based on the classified information they have seen. This is a real situation, you'd have to believe all of those people are lying for some bizarre unexplained reason. So I find that hard to believe.

45:52 Could it be the case that all of those people were misinterpreting what they were seeing? They they saw something, you know uh fire pilots saw something moving i in their visors when their up in sp Uh I mean in some cases that could be the case, but then when you have actual materials Crash craft.

46:12 Bodies that aren't Human. Also a lot of these sightings um they're now in the process of the White House, uh cabinet members are in the process of identifying where the evidence exists within federal agencies and the military so they can get access to it themselves.

46:31 And then determine from there. what can safely be shared with the public. I think Once they get Their hands on more evidence.

46:38 then a plan would be put in place for telling world this conclusion. I think we're we're it's like Feta complete, basically. Like it's gonna get to that point relatively soon. If we get to that point and you get personally invited in to wherever they're keeping the these materials and you get to see every single file that exists. And as you go through those files you realize that A lot of what you've been told is not true. Because there's other explanations. How would it like fundamentally change the way that you see the world? Yeah.

47:07 Some of some of the UAP we've seen, like take the famous everybody knows the Tic Tac UFO, right? Uh that Commander Dave Fraver, the Navy fighter pilot, interacted with in two thousand four, right? I'll put that on the screen for anyone that hasn't seen it. Great. And so take that take that UAP for example. Multiple data collection systems and Commander Dave Fraver, a legend in the na in in the Navy, top gun guy, commander of an entire naval strike group, right? Like Total badass. Legend legend of a guy. Uh he sees this with his own eyes and a bunch of data collection systems. capture data confirming it's real. This UAP went from hovering above the ocean

47:45 to instantly being at eighty thousand feet, which is the entrance to space, right? And it did that maneuver All afternoon. The amount of energy required to do that. It's so Bonkers.

47:57 It's We do not humans do no human beings have the ability to create that much that much energy. Right, in a localized area for for And and so

48:08 To answer your question, if we find out Yeah. the unthinkable that this is not non human intelligence life. That some Humans have figured out how to crack that technology.

48:19 And did it as recent as two thousand four when the Tic Tac incident happened. That Would be even more mind blowing than Excepting that

48:30 life from elsewhere is here and has been here a long time because That would mean that some some group of humans leapfrog the rest of All of humanity technologically By thousands of years. And then seemingly did nothing with that.

48:44 Or it could be something else. That's the nature of unusual things. They become grey stories. So I I think in the case of the Tic Tac incident, again, I'm what I'm trying to do is interrogate this particular from all angles is could it have been something else. Any any isolated event. Like that.

49:00 you could do the whole could it be this, could it be that thing, but it's the c it's the you gotta take a step back and look at this the collective. It's One report. Like that after another from credible people. Since the World War Two. You know, during World War Two pilots were seeing what they called foo fighters, like these orbs.

49:17 That would move alongside Uh are are fighter jets. Right? Like they would like they would move in in line with them. Um and now we have we have people on ships.

49:28 Seeing these things enter the water. And then moving it, you know, which No no human being could be. These things are going hundreds of miles an hour under the ocean. So these craft are transmedium. They they're seen in space, they're seen in the air, they're seen under water. There's just too much activity to ig to ignore it. Yeah, and and and that would be a hard one to say, well, you know, is there some sonar thing that makes you think something is doing that. But

49:59 It's seen enough times under enough different conditions that y we just have to accept it as real. Is there a reason why this th hasn't been captured on like an iPhone? Wind four K There's been a lot of stuff captured on phones and video cameras. In in that scene in the disclosure that I mentioned where Hal and some of the other people break down how these things are working and they describe that they're creating a a warp bubble around the craft. that work bubble also makes it very hard to get a clear

50:26 video of something'cause you're you're taking a photo or a video Threw it. Essentially a space time barrier, you know. It's like the equivalent of taking pictures of uh trying to take video of like koi fish in a pond from above the water. It's gonna look all distorted'cause you're going through the water. If you're if you're trying to video or take a photo to a s this bubble, it makes it pretty hard. And then you end up with the kind of videos we we see.

50:49 Um, you're probably familiar with this NASA report that they produced on UAPs. independent study team report where they essentially say that they don't believe that the Peace. Uh these UAPs are are aliens. Why would Nassa be lying?

51:03 Like all these big bureaucracies. There's people who are aware of the truth and then there's people who have the truth kept from them. where you know, one of the people I interviewed was Mike Mike Gold, who was on the UAP, uh the NASA UAP task force. And he talked about Um how that

51:21 Effort. was was flawed from the start. They didn't want to have a result that said NASA has all this information that they've kept from the public. They wanted the result that that they landed on, which is there's nothing to see here. And they were really discouraged from Um

51:36 For example, the uh that that image of a triangle What clearly appears to be a trial craft over the moon. Um They were told not to not to include that in their report. Like they were they they they were not set up To tell the world the truth.

51:52 In your view, is it possible? The Aliens aren't uh Aren't real. Is it possible?

52:00 Possible. So you think it's impossible. Using the term alien, you know, has a certain connotation about it. So we can certainly say I mean the the evidence is absolutely clear that there is some form of life with advanced technology. You know, if you want to say, Well what can I prove about about it? Well th th those are still unknowns that we're trying to So so I got access at a very high to a very high level of the government.

52:28 the military intelligence community. And there were a lot of people who talked to me off the record that wouldn't go on camera. There are a lot of people who Uh couldn't tell me about classified information. I didn't want to know classified information. But they all

52:40 made it very clear. Um Not just on camera, but off the record, that there that there is evidence at a classified level. That is clear as day. Like some video taken when like the bubble is turned off and you can see a cr uh a craft of non human origin clear as day. And there is evidence of

52:59 the technology that's been recovered and of these bodies. And when you have when if you put yourself my shoes, when you have So many senior people across the military. government and tells committee telling you this. It's it's really just impossible to ignore it. Especially when most of them aren't even friends. They're not like

53:14 ideologically aligned or politically aligned. Different groups of people. I'm less compelled by eyewitnesses, this is the problem,'cause I you know, I'm such a big true crime fan. Here's an interesting thing you just made me think of. So In the film, uh Rubio and General Jim Clapper.

53:38 Two people who are completely ideologically and politically opposed to each other. Made the same thing. Really intelligent point. And they both have No Jala.

53:50 classified level of the situation. They've all said A problem with As humans have. Is

53:57 That There's something in the human psyche That says I cannot wrap my head around. Or prepare for.

54:04 Things I haven't seen or experienced. Right? And time and time again throughout history. that has proven to be like a human flaw. Right. Uh Rubio goes on to say.

54:14 that the greatest intelligence failures in US history come from a lack of imagination. And he cites a few examples. He says we never would have imagined. The Japanese. could figure out how to get torpedoes through the streets and hit us at Pearl Harbor.

54:29 Until they did. Um he says we never would have imagined terrorists would fly to the homeland learn to fly commercial planes and then use them in a terrorist sack. Until they did.

54:39 Right. Um he says some other examples too. But time and time again, not wrapping our head around set of circumstances that in using our imagination to think about what might happen or what might be happening has it's bit us in the ass. And he he ends his line of thought by saying lack of imagination leads to strategic surprise like Pearl Harbor, like nine eleven. And sometimes strategic surprise changes the course of history. Mm. And so you know, him and and other people interviewed

55:06 think it's really important to get ahead of this as opposed to waiting for something to happen. As opposed to waiting for, you know, to find out the hard way that China you know, cracked this technology before us and used it as in an act of war. Or Uh non human intelligent life, uh, does something.

55:21 uh unpredictable and then all of a sudden the US government's on its heels And so are other governments. On their heels. explaining to the public what they've known for a long time. for this information.

55:38 Is that An argument. I've not really heard you guys say that. Yeah, no, people there are people involved in gatekeeping this information that don't think the public can handle the truth. Uh you know, Hal recently told me that people in the legacy program are pointing to the age of disclosure and saying

55:52 Look, this film reveals a lot. And People aren't losing their shit, you know? People aren't jumping out of windows. It's not causing chaos in society, like The public can handle the base facts. Of all the things you've heard, Dan, what is the m what was the most compelling story or anecdote that you heard that convinced you?

56:09 It was really just a sheer number of very high level military government intelligence officials who were telling me in in private settings to my face. Yeah. That at a classified level

56:21 They know with absolute certainty this is real. But if you had to pick one story. It wasn't one it really wasn't one thing for me. It was like It was the overall. It's like for example, I I interviewed Rubio and Jill of Senator Jill Brown on the same day.

56:37 They both uh participated in the film and did lengthy interviews with me. And both looked me in the face and told me they thought this was the most important documentary that's ever been made. And that this was really important to bring this information out in a thoughtful way to the public and make them aware of what's happening. You you can't like on here stuff like that, you know? Um

56:55 And it makes it makes an impact on you. What about you, Hal? What was the most persuasive thing that you That tipped you over the edge from a You know, maybe being agnostic to believing that there are non human intelligent life amongst us.

57:09 Well it's looking at the technology. Which is so advanced. Then I'm That's simply certain that no Um

57:18 Us or our adversaries could have made it. So somebody actually made it. It has to be somebody who knows a lot more about physics Than we do. I mean there's there's there's

57:30 Nowhere to go but to say, okay, there's somebody who is way beyond. Humans. to develop that kind of technology and just play it. Of all the evidence that's been released and all of the rumors and videos and you know going back to the crop fields that we used to hear about many years ago

57:47 Uh sh presumably there's lots of this stuff that you don't believe. That you think is nonsense. Oh there's definitely there's definitely reports that are that when you look into them seem like bullshit. For sure. Because you know One of the things people often say is that alien encounter descriptions perfectly match the pop culture of their era.

58:07 So people saw flying saucers in the fi in the nineteen fifties after sci fi movies popularised them and grey aliens in the nineteen eighties after books, um, like Communion popularise them. And this kinda suggests that Sightings are born from human imagination versus Well I I think I and I think that's a reasonable uh I think I think a lot of the reports that we're going to do.

58:30 We get Yeah, we can generally set aside as being, you know, just manufactured by humans who get caught up in this sort of a give and take on social media and so on. But nonetheless when you really zoom in on actual evidence of technologies and evidence of bodies

58:49 There you can't just say it's uh Yeah, it's just social contagion. The when I think about the technologies, when I watch like the tic tac video, it's kinda blurry and I don't really know what I'm looking at. Like there's this thing moving around on the screen that's like black and white, but I don't really know what I'm looking at. And I think this has always been the struggle with it, is we're so used to consuming content in high definition That we can clear and it appears to be the case that so many of these UAP videos are like in the distance and kind of blurry and vague.

59:19 So it makes them harder to believe. And it just I think we're all longing for like a solid video. You talked about them going in and out of the water. How come someone's not got a you got if someone like falls over and we we we capture it all on camera these days, C C TV cameras on every high street. Why is there not like a solid video of something going in the water and out the water? Look, most mobile people said on uh on camera they have seen with their own eyes. classified videos that are indisputable. Um and some of them told me specifics, like that story I told you, uh the first video Jay Stratton was shown when he went down this rabbit hole.

59:53 It's a triangle craft hovering over a nuclear weapon site. Air Force Security Guards had filmed it on a little VHS camera that they had. It was it was hovering long enough for them to do that. That kind of evidence exists, but it's just still classified. I I I hope so. I I I know this process is playing out right now where people like like J Strat are helping the administration. find where the evidence exists so they can get their hands on it and then determine

1:00:18 whether it can safely be declassified. Like that process is definitely playing out right now. Do you think do you trust the Trump administration to release all of the available Information. Do we trust the current administration will release it? It's Do

1:00:32 We think All these federal agencies and branches of the military. over the evidence they have to the administration? That's the question. And the jury's still out on that. They're they're not right now. They're pushing back.

1:00:44 And they're pushing back hard. And that's why the administration is working with people like Stratton, like Jay Stratton. who who who had who over sixteen years has learned where a lot of this evidence is. Um they're working with people like him to find out where the evidence sits who who's gatekeeping it at each of these different organizations and How to get to it. Uh so they're doing they're doing a fact finding mission right now.

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1:02:07 Dot com slash D O A C The deal applies site wide. If it is released, if all the information that you've heard from your witnesses is released. If they release You know craft, alien craft and they release alien bodies and all of these things. How do you imagine the world would be different?

1:02:24 I think it will lead to a giant technology boom. I think once We're told hey there's this technology that exists that could revolutionize the way we live. You know?

1:02:35 it could lead to anti gravity technology. It could lead to new energy sources. New energy sources. Solve the energy crisis overnight, right? Could lead to interstellar travel and Going farther out, you know. Because you know, you've suddenly uh you go from the point of saying, Well maybe we're the only intelligent species in the universe and then you suddenly get the idea that Uh this is a universe full of life. I think all dogmas will just apply to it, you know? And I think the the Vatican's already gotten ahead of it and said, you know, they put out a message a couple of years ago that basically the the

1:03:13 The gist of it was, you know. God's God's universe and God's work is vast and you know basically. We couldn't you couldn't c uh you know, say that he he wouldn't have the ability to do that. I mean So I think it's a And certainly in the c case of the Catholic Church.

1:03:32 They've had uh very positive views about Population being throughout. Yeah. at least from the Catholic Church's perspective, there's nothing Yeah.

1:03:43 counters the you know that doesn't allow you to wrap your head around the fact that there's other life out there, you know? Are you guys religious. Not like overly religious, but like, you know, I m my my my mom's Irish and and grew up going to Catholic school and I you know, I went to uh C C D and you know Sunday school. It's called a C C C D where I grew up. Um but you can go to I do, I do. Do you believe that? I do too. Yeah. And I'm a practicing Catholic, so So would that mean that you believe God has made all of these

1:04:10 Aliens as well. That's my that's what my worldview is. Yeah, I would think that I couldn't say that's not the case. But you know, as a scientist, I can't Prove that. That it is the case, but

1:04:21 You know, just just on the statistics of it, it's Pretty likely. You know, an interesting thing happening right now, Steven too, is These people who have been gatekeeping the truth. Um

1:04:33 A lot of them are afraid to come forward. And tell the White House what they know because they they think they're gonna be villainized. They they think The optics around this. Or Such that like

1:04:43 If someone's been covering this up, they're They're they're they're the villain of the story, right? And so Um the White House and the director of National Intelligence and The

1:04:55 Department of War realized this. And so in the last couple of weeks, they've been messaging out to the military and the intelligence community. That this is not a witch hunt, it's not an endeavor to punish anyone. they wanna encourage people to come forward, assure them there will be no no punishment uh for being involved in gatekeeping this. They just wanna learn the truth and find out where the real evidence sits. So that's another thing that's playing out right now that I think if it gets out there enough, uh it will lead to more people coming forward with that. That evidence we all wanna see. Yeah.

1:05:26 Earlier on we you talked about how some people feel like their lives are at risk because of what they know. Has there been any instance of anyone being punished for saying anything in this regard? Well certainly having having their clearances pulled. Or losing their open. opportunities for advancement, uh

1:05:45 We we've heard stories like that from from several people in the intelligence. That has said that they were threatened or Punished or in some form because of the Well certainly the the number one whistleblower for for many people has been David Grush. And so he has uh outlined the vario steps taken against him to

1:06:08 basically ruin his career. significantly enough that he went to the inspector general of the intelligence community And said. I'm being

1:06:18 Punish shoved aside, losing clearance, and so on. Because I came out with this data and they said well what you provided us is, you know, serious worthy of consideration. I think a lot of people have had their lives threatened. Um I'm not certain if if anyone has been killed.

1:06:36 Um, but I I know people have had their lives threatened. No. And who's threatening them? People that are involved. Um

1:06:45 In This this program. You think that the evidence should not ever come out? This legacy program. So this is a program ran within the

1:06:57 US government. Two US government. Elements of it uh and also defense contractors. The truth on this regard. Yes, because they have the first hand evidence of

1:07:13 The crash materials and the bodies. There's eighty years of data. That this This Group has.

1:07:23 And they haven't released or leaked that. data for the last eighty years. There'd be no advantage. No one's hacked it.

1:07:30 This this program is the epitome of a special access program. I think this program is as off the grid as it it could possibly be. It almost seems like there's nothing that eventually hasn't come to come to light that the government have done. Like I've sat here and interviewed a lot of CIA spies. You've told me the history of the CIA and this program that lasted for twelve years and then it comes out and this program and I mean even some of the stuff that I've heard you talk about how around um

1:07:55 What's it called? Remote view. Remote Remote View. That was that CIA project. What is remote viewing? Remote viewing. Well the the the CIA suddenly got concerned because they saw that the the Soviets were spending millions of dollars at some of their best institutes to investigate the possible use of quote ESP. What's ESP? Psychic ability. Yeah. Psychic abilities. Extra sensory perception. And so as it turns out, uh I was at uh Stanford Research Institute and uh they saw my background, they they came to me and said, you know

1:08:29 We'd like for you to to look into this. Is there anything to this? I mean, no um scientist in America even believes there is such a thing as ESP. Who came to you? CIA. This is this is in the seventies. The CIA approached you in the seventies and asked you to investigate remote viewing. They said, You know, we hope you'll find this is all nonsense, we can forget about it, we don't have to worry about it And it grew into, you know, more than a two decade program. Millions of dollars. Stargate is uh the label for it that most people know about because By now most of the information in the program came out.

1:09:10 And basically it we just we just found that uh people Essentially Just like you have artistic ability or athletic ability or whatever, musical ability. Well we found out that remote viewing, this ability to sit in a location.

1:09:28 and pick up information from some place far away. uh is a talent that uh many people could uh demonstrate. And so we ended up uh Actually uh training uh Army intelligence officers at the Army Intelligence and Security Command at Fort Bede. How to do this. So So wait, let me just simplify this for the audience that might be

1:09:48 not fully understand what we're talking about. So remote viewing is the idea that I could sit here in London where we are now And I could be trained to see what was going on in another part of the world. Exactly go to a remote location. I'll give you a specific example. A Soviet plane that CIA wanted to get hold of Went down somewhere in Africa. And they didn't they didn't know where because the pilot had bailed out and it just

1:10:15 went on until it ran out of gas. So we got two of our quote best remote viewers, one that worked for the air force and one that worked for my organization. to say, Okay, here's a map of Africa, where's that damn plane? We gotta go in and get it. And they put it X on the map that was in three miles of where the plane went down out of the hundreds of thousands of square miles. And so the CIA went in, it got the plane. So I mean it was Yeah. How do they do that? Well By the way, there's an audio recording of President Jimmy Carter telling that story. Yeah.

1:10:47 Mm post. Post presidency. Maybe we should play that. One time we had um A small plane go down somewhere in Africa.

1:10:56 We were not able to find it. By surveillance. From our satellite. So The director of the CIA he was also director of all the intelligence agencies.

1:11:07 Heard about a uh a woman in California that uh was a Medium. And he I contacted her

1:11:16 And she The Latitude and longitude of the planes Whereabouts.

1:11:25 And the next time one of our space satellites went over. That area we located the plane where she said it was. Again, this sounds like it's impossible. Sounds like uh just It sounds completely bananas. It sounds like something out of an X Men comic book. It sounds crazy. But

1:11:41 Well I was okay. You know, they they often are sceptics who would say, Well, if they're so psychic, why aren't they rich, why aren't they in the stock market or whatever? So we set up a little program on a challenge to predict silver futures. To p to predict what? Silver futures. Just the value of silver. Yeah, the value of silver silver on a daily basis was it gonna go up or go down? So we had somebody said, Okay, I I will if if you'll set up a little program like that for thirty days, I'll bet on what your quote remote viewers say.

1:12:15 And I'll put the money in and I'll give you ten percent of what I make. Okay, fine. Now long story short, uh made um Two hundred and sixty thousand dollars in the thirty days. We got our ten percent, which is twenty six thousand dollars. So people could actually in this case even look into the future a day And

1:12:38 generate a description of what they were gonna see and handle the following day. Presumably not everybody. How many people did you have? Do that experiment. And how many of them were successful in generating. Uh generated really good data. So are those six of people now rich? Well, I I don't know. Some of them may may have followed up. Why were those six people picked?

1:13:04 Since we had learned that sort of anybody can do this, uh we were actually raising money for uh a school that was being So I just went to the board of directors and said, Okay, I'm gonna give you a crash course over the weekend in quote remote viewing of the type we train intelligence officers to do. And um So you're gonna be it.

1:13:27 So you just it was the board of The school. Board of the school. Okay. They all knew what I did for a living and so This program Stargate got uh s so much um actionable intelligence from the remote viewers that Hal started briefing. at the time the director of the CIA on a regular basis. Yeah, I briefed all the way up to Bill Casey, the director of the CIA, yeah. So does it still exist this program?

1:13:50 In any capacity. If it does you wouldn't hear about it. Why? Because It would be a belt black, highly classified program. Why?

1:14:02 Because we don't want our adversaries to know how we might be getting uh access to their data. You just told us. But people can not believe that. And that's fine. But aren't you under some sort of contract? Well, as it turns out the CIA and and DIA also went to the DI A that program Finally got declassified.

1:14:22 at the level that was operating at and that you can go to the CIA uh reading room and you can get all the documents on it. So your work was originally classified. Oh it was originally uh top secret uh special access program Yeah. There's a part of me that goes less, if people could do remote viewing and see, you know, into other parts of the world or Predict the things that you're saying. I mean

1:14:48 If if if it was trainable. s everything so the like life as we know it would be completely Flipped on its head. When Stargate became public, the US government stopped. Remote viewing.

1:15:04 I mean I wouldn't stop if I was the US government. If it if it worked, I wouldn't stop. I think it just went underground, moved to a different agency. Yeah. Went underground. So you were training people to do it though? Yeah. We well we had yeah, we had we had people that we train. So ch train me. How do you train now uh a number of the uh military intelligence officers that we train have now uh left the military And they do have training courses.

1:15:31 Do you but do you believe it? I I do. At first I thought it just sounded too much like something in a comic book, right? But the more I first read about Stargate in the declassified documents, started to realize how serious the government took it. and the more I learned about it through how and then eventually Um I really don't want to get into the details of this, but eventually um I got connected with someone who

1:15:55 has done remote viewing for the government and they did a demonstration for me. That blew my mind. 'Cause you would think if anyone was capable of doing remote viewing. They could go on. The internet.

1:16:06 and make one prediction or do one video that would be, you know, proven to be true. And they would literally be considered To be A superhuman. Like they would literally be I mean people would probably think they were a deity or a

1:16:20 Or a spiritual leader or something. If one person could do it, what we found was uh it seems to be An ac action that It's just part of the human makeup. And so it isn't like they're a super deity or a godlike or really off the charts. It's something that people can learn to do. Like they can learn to play the piano or whatever. This for whatever reason. Maybe it was out. Psychiatrists and neurophysiologists

1:16:48 beginning to study, you know, how does consciousness uh do its thing in the brain and so on and are there elements of it, uh once you get into quantum theory and quantum entanglement that would say you could have uh evidence uh You know, beyond just our physical structure. Which also goes to like you know, how's life very interestingly You know, first was the Stargate stuff, and then he got into UAP and the overlap that I find fascinating is some of these craft that have been found or

1:17:24 Crashes. Um the reports from people involved say that A lot of them don't have any control panels in them. Mm. Like they're basically empty other than seats.

1:17:35 Which suggests that maybe there's some sort of mind connection controlling these craft. I did wonder about the craft, so I thought, you know, if I was an advanced civilization, why would I And I was that small. Why would I send life to these planets when I could just send the crafts.

1:17:50 You know, why am I sending biological life when I could just send the manufactured biological life. Maybe it's maybe they're the equivalent of maybe they're not sentient sentient. Yeah. True. But the remote viewing stuff opens up a lot of possibilities if Yeah, I mean we as as part of this uh CIA program we found that

1:18:08 Uh people could Affect. quantum devices that were Totally shielded by superconducting shielding. There is a

1:18:21 quote psychic, so called and uh So I brought him to Stanford and I I was skeptical at the time. And uh I said, Okay, well we've got this super experiment Where There's tiny quantum

1:18:34 Chip down inside of this Electrical shielding, magnetic shielding, superconducting shielding. We want to see if you can affect it. And he did. I mean this is supposed to be Totally non effectable.

1:18:49 from by anything on the outside. In fact it was developed by the Navy to just look for corks and stuff like that. And so It was supposed to not be influenced from the outside by anything. And he influenced it. And when I say he influenced it, I'm not just saying there's a little blip that You know, you can r kinda read into it. No, it it was a system where

1:19:12 It ordinarily just had an oscillating signal like that. And then when he affect it, it just stopped the oscillation. And then he can also make the oscillation go twice as fast. course a poor graduate student whose life dependent on this not being uh affected from the outside. But then they uh the the that that that raised a big issue for them. That means uh gee, uh does that mean if we put If we hide our documents inside of superconducting safes, uh the Russians might be able to

1:19:42 So actually when we had détant The American remote viewers got together with the Soviet remote viewers and traded war stories. You know, I'm I think I'm naturally sceptical,'cause I'm sceptical with all things, but I'm often proven wrong. So, you know, my fiance, she um she believes lots of things I don't believe, and so so frequently she's been proven right in those things that I remain open minded. To things in life.

1:20:09 Because I've learnt to So I think that's where I remain. I remain open minded. And I think on the balance of probability, if you ask me, do I think there's other life in the universe? I think It would be crazy to say there wasn't. Right. But but has there been life that has arrived here that we've recovered? I just I would need more evidence.

1:20:28 Is that I think that's the right attitude. And we're hoping that uh with the release of documents is starting to happen now. You'll get that evidence, but In the absence of actually getting access to the evidence, it's very reasonable but to to be sceptical.

1:20:47 Yeah, absolutely. I do think though that the current administration in the US is s so focused on following through with this directive the president gave to To get All the evidence within the possession of the federal government. All the different agencies, the military branches, and then

1:21:03 figure out what can be declassified. I think they're taking it so serious that we're gonna we're gonna get to more tranches of more meaningful evidence. And I think eventually we'll get to That thing that we've that that moment that we've all only seen in movies where a sitting president steps to a microphone and tells the world we're not alone in the universe. I think I think we're gonna get there. I think so too. Just a matter of time. Does it change the meaning of life if that becomes the case? Does it does it mean anything for us as humans?

1:21:30 What do you think the meaning of life is, how? And do you think it we should change our behavior in any way, even if this Moment does occur. I think if we found out that there were life uh throughout the universe. That it's uh it can be developed in all kinds of forms.

1:21:45 Then then that makes us uh take a new look at well what does it mean to be human. Yeah. We ought to think about it. If we can, interacting with these other uh species and seeing what we can learn from them and What might they learn from us? And so it just opens up a whole new sort of view.

1:22:03 of what the universe is is like. I mean I've got I've got fifteen grandkids. They should grow up in a universe where it's teeming with life and they know that and that's a very uh kind of an exciting kind of thing. I think it also could be the one thing that could unify all of humanity. You know, Reagan gave a great speech during his presidency at the United Nations where he said he often thinks That

1:22:26 it might be a threat from outside this universe that makes all of humanity come together and think more about what it has in common than than its differences. Um and you know moves them past the the the the conflicts of the moment. And that might be, you know, wishful thinking and might be naive, but it also might actually be the one thing that could that could line people up.

1:22:49 Has it changed how you think about the The meaning of life. Between what I've learned About the the reality of the UAP situation and the existence of non human adult life. What I've learned about

1:23:00 For example, remote viewing. It's made me realize that our sort of Western present day view of reality is not complete. You know, we think we know everything there is you know, to life and and how things work and we just don't. And when you're honest with yourself and you look back at history, all the times people thought that they were they were proven wrong pretty quickly.

1:23:21 And so it's made me open to a lot more possibilities, um, than than I would have been. Just Just ten years ago. I think it'd be a a renaissance in in our attitudes toward life and and everything.

1:23:35 Yeah. Are you both open to being wrong? Yeah, look, I I should have said this early on. When I first started making My documentary. I was totally prepared.

1:23:44 To have people tell me look. This is all bullshit. It was all cover for our classified projects. Did they? No, no one did. That was the crazy thing. Not not a single person did. I would I was trying to pull it out of people. I feel like You know.

1:23:58 Come on, this is really This is like a black project than on a on acknowledged special access program, right? Like just just say nothing if that's the case. And they're like, No, dude. Not not even close. Like it was o over and over and and these weren't random people. These were like senior people on the Senate Teligence Committee, on the Senate Armed Services Committee. Um leaders in in the intelligence community, leaders in in in the military.

1:24:21 And so Yeah. It's hard to ignore. Well Trump has released the first round of the UAP reports. Um so I guess

1:24:30 In many respects, this conversation is to be continued. Yeah, yeah. And we we we have been told by our friends in government that the next tranche of evidence is likely to come out in the next thirty days or so. And it's gonna be a rolling declassification process. So There'll be a lot more to talk about in the near future. Thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate it. I feel very interesting. Yeah.

1:24:51 Very very curious and I I I highly recommend people go check out your documentary. I'm gonna link it below. Um and w I think one of the great things about the documentary is the diversity of people you've spoken to, including Marco Rubio, who is w now working alongside President Trump and many others, including yourself, how Um another guest that I've met people like Jay who um I hope to speak to sometime soon. Cool. Thank you for having us. And thank you for bringing attention to interesting topics like this. I really do think, yeah. you know, people like you are are helping open people's minds. You know, in the past we only had It wasn't that long ago there's only four T V networks, right? And a small group of legacy media people controlled what people thought about, really. So people here opening up

1:25:29 everyone's minds to other possibilities and other information. And so thank you. Again, s sometimes I have think I have to remind the audience of like why I do what I do and why I pick the subjects that I pick, but it's honestly just what I'm curious about. And if if something rises in public curiosity and it's in my pu my own curiosity, then I'll speak about it. It's not an endorsement of me believing everything. It is just me wanting to learn more. Yeah. And I you know, I I wish we lived in a society that was more open minded generally to the people on the other side of the aisle or to subjects that are currently considered to be I don't know, controversial or or or not. Because, you know

1:26:05 it's not lost on me that my own very existence as a Black businessman. Is in of itself. um something that was once a very controversial idea. And so I'm all for, you know.

1:26:17 uh controversial ideas being Having some kind of space to be. in the history of humanity came from someone being curious, right? And wanting to learn about something they weren't aware of. So I I think great things will come out of it. And and and you just touched on something that we didn't mention, which is I found Shockingly that this is the the UAP issue, non human cells in life, is the most bipartisan issue.

1:26:40 In Washington, D C at a time when democrats and Republicans in the United States can't agree on anything. They're completely lined up on this being the biggest issue of our time. Extremely significant. And like that says a lot too. Yeah. Yeah. To be continued.

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