#706: In Case You Missed It: October 2023 Recap of "The Tim Ferriss Show"

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Hello, boys and girls, this is Tim Ferris. Welcome to another episode of the Tim Ferris Show, where it is my job to deconstruct world class performers of all different types, to tease out the routines, habits, and so on that you can apply to your own life.
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the guest, and then you can always dig deeper by going to one of those episodes. View this episode as a buffet to whet your appetite.
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First up
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Legendary bodybuilder.
Actor.
Businessman, philanthropist.
And thirty eighth Governor of California.
And best selling author of
Be useful.
Seven Tools for Life
Yeah.
So let's talk about one of the roles.
Never think small. You seem like the walking archetype of not thinking small. You've lived multiple lifetimed to most people.
How would you suggest people think of Never Think Small, or what stories come to mind that from your life exemplify?
That
It's just the very beginning.
I mean for me to go and say
I want to compete in the junior Mr. Europe competition.
Rather than just in the Mr Austrian competition.
I trained just as hard as everyone else in the gym.
The goal was just smaller.
They said I want to be Mr. Austria.
And I said I want to be Mr Europe. So I'm gonna start with Mr Junior, Junior, Mr Europe, the best built man of Europe. I'm gonna go to this competition.
And I was thinking bigger.
And I was training as hard as they were.
Everything was the same.
But then when I won that competition because I had a very clear vision
That's what I want to win.
That immediately launched me.
Into getting a
Job.
become a trainer in Munich in a
Bodybuilding gymnasium.
Now imagine
How
In heaven is that.
You're a young bodybuilder, you're eighteen old.
You just won your first international competition.
You win some local competitions in Austria.
You win some powerlifting competitions.
Some weightlifting competition.
But now you uh
Junior Mr. Europe.
And you have this trophy.
And now you're getting a job to train
In the second biggest gym in Munich.
So that was like absolute heaven. So with nineteen
I started training.
Become the trainer.
In the gym.
So now I had the opportunity.
To train
Day and night.
When they wake up because I was sleeping in the gym.
I was waking up and I was training
I was taking a nap in the afternoon, I was training.
before going to sleep at night after dinner, I was training
I was training day and night.
So this is a dream.
But it was all because
I thought big.
They were still stuck.
Working for
Some bathhouse.
in the Austria or for the government
Or being a trash collector.
Or being a teacher or something like that, they were still stuck in the same job.
I was already moving on.
The Munich.
And I was already a trainer.
In a bodybuilding gymnasium.
Making this the launch pad.
To America.
Which was my ultimate dream.
So this is what I'm saying. So it didn't take more work.
To think big.
It's just thinking big.
Makes you bigger.
And what I'm my point is is it takes just as much effort and they learnt again from bodybuilding.
From that.
Kind of thing I learned.
That don't hold back.
So when I went
within age of nineteen I was the youngest Mr Universe competitor.
I competed in a Miss Universe contest.
I play second, I placed runner up.
So that a year later I went back with the age of twenty.
In one Mr. Universe, the youngest Mr. Universe. But this is all because it was thinking big.
I wasn't saying, Oh, maybe in a few years from now I go there.
Or shouldn't go there right now.
Or it's too early, or this
And then it's just sort of thing that I
I'm gonna go for the second Mr. Universe next year.
I'm gonna go to America.
I'm gonna go and make Joe Weeder aware of me.
And you know, make sure that they win another competition and all this. So I was driven
Bigger and big and bigger.
And even when I got into acting.
I didn't look at it as kind of like I'm gonna get some character.
Rolls.
I was not interested in character rules.
I wanna be another Steve Reeves or Rage Buck.
They were the stars of the Hercules movies.
Clean these with just a star.
We always cleaned Eastwood.
You know
In a fistful of dollars.
In a dollar, few dollars more.
See these two.
In this movie.
Whatever it was.
It was like
That's what I wanted.
Charles Bronson. I wanna be like Charles Bronson.
I wanna be like Warren Beatty, I wanna be like this guy's
They were the top stars.
And that's what I saw myself.
And they say it was
This ladder is very hard to build.
Or to climb up to
I said, Well then I build my own ladder.
I built my own ladder.
And then I know exactly how to get up there.
That's exactly what I did.
I created my own way of getting up there.
I took five hours.
that I learned in bodybuilding. I they took five hours every day
Of working my ass off.
to train and to train and to train and to pose and to pose and to do all the stuff that they needed to do.
I said I'm gonna do the same five hours
But I'm gonna go and learn English.
I'm gonna learn.
Acting
speechless
voice lessons.
Accent removed lessons.
Well, I should get my money back for those but in many case the But in any case I took all of those lessons one hour every day.
And it was grinding it out.
And then I remember eventually it happened.
People started hiring me.
And the great thing was
That I felt
That I should not be financially vulnerable.
So I first got into real estate.
And it worked me as if in real estate
My first million actually
made in real estate before I really
Got into acting.
And that helped me because now when they came to me with stupid parts and says, Do you want to play a bouncer?
I said fuck no.
Why would I play a pouncer?
Yeah, but what about a Nazi officer? You have a great
If the German accent does it No, I don't wanna be a Nazi officer.
I say I want to be a star.
I want to be a leading man.
I want to get rich and famous.
Just looking to you Charles Bronson.
And they said, You're crazy.
It would never happen.
Well.
I applied the other rule which is don't listen to the naysayers.
So I worked my ass off.
I did exactly what it did in the bodybuilding.
I did in the movies.
Eventually it happened.
I started doing the Jane Mansfield story.
I start doing the with Circle Douglas.
And
And Margaret.
The villain.
I was doing streets of San Francisco.
I was doing stay hungry and pumping on.
Or in the seventies.
And even be lose to a ball.
Doing happy anniversary and goodbye.
So did all of those kind of things
And then that led
With the big role.
And now I've arrived.
Starring role.
In Conan the Barbarian.
You know, when
Sean Milliar saw me.
He says
If we wouldn't have Schwarzenegger.
We would have had to build one.
So or was it the body?
That everyone said would never ever
become famous in the movies because the movies
No one is seeing Muslim movies anymore.
All of the opposite came true.
Accent became very welcome.
When they determinated they love the German accent.
There were Jim Cameron called.
Schwarzenegger is talking like a machine. That's why it worked.
Thing the terminator.
So things like that.
So
The things that they said would never make it.
In Hollywood.
The accent, the name.
The body
All of the things became big pluses.
And it made it.
So that's my own ladder.
That I built.
That's why it's important. You know, don't just worry about climbing
A lot of it
That someone else has built.
No.
Build your own lab.
You know, just don't wait for anyone else. So that's what I did.
Next up
Morgan Hausel
Author of
The psychology of money.
And his new book.
Same as ever.
A guide
To what never changes.

What we didn't cover in our last conversation was how you
draft your first drafts or your rough drafts.
Because you have these ideas, you're at the grocery store, you're out on a walk, you're in the shower, whatever it might be.
What does it look like?
When you
Put.
first words on paper or screen because that is where I often procrastinate facing the empty screen, the blinking cursor.
What's your move there?
I first need to disclose that what I'm about to say is probably the worst writing advice you could give someone. So if you are a new writer or an aspiring writer, like plug your ears and fast forward this. But I've always been headline. I've always been including the worst advice for writers.
I've always been like this. I don't think it's a good strategy, but it's been my strategy.
I'm kind of a
First draft and published writer.
I think the best way to write
is to write a shitty first draft, get it done.
and then go back and edit and clean up and rewrite and whatnot.
I've always been one sentence at a time, and when I'm done with that sentence, it's final.
So by the time I get to the bottom of the article
Or the bottom of a chapter?
It's pretty much done.
But that's not because I can write a perfect first draft.
It's because I'm not gonna leave.
This sentence that I'm writing?
Until it's perfect.
I'm not gonna move on to the next sentence until every word is perfect. So that's always how I've been.
I believe Kurt Vonnegut talked about swoopers and plotters. I may be getting the the wording.
Wrong, but swoopers are the vomit a first draft, refine, refine into a diamond, and then the plotters.
Are
The line at a time.
one small facet at a time and then they're kind of done. I tend to err on the side of being closer to that myself. However
That doesn't seem to work unless you have
a clear idea of what your structure is gonna look like or at least of where you're gonna start.
So that you're not then endlessly swapping things around or scrapping the first half, in which case you're edging more towards that refine, refine, refine.
So how do you figure out the structure of a piece or what your lead is gonna be?
When I start an article
Or a chapter even.
I really I have no idea where it's gonna go.
It's not like all the ideas are in my head and I just need to put them out on paper. And I feel like the process of writing is the research process for me.
And so that's kind of where the plotter style comes in, which is I write one sentence.
And I sit there and stare at it.
It's like oh that reminds me of this uh oh like that
Prompts another thought that I had. That paragraph I just wrote reminds me of something else I can pull in. That's really where it comes from. So
Coming up with a with an idea, honestly I think most blog posts I start with a headline.
And I'm like, I wanna write an article called Everything is Cyclical.
Whatever it might be. And let's just run with that. Like that idea, like because everything is psychical.
And I'm sure I could put together a story about why that is and a couple of examples of that. So let's just start there and see what happens. And I just start throwing things on.
on the page and usually within the process of a blog post or a book chapter.
I'll go for
Three walks around my neighborhood. And during that walk, I'm 100% focused on what I'm writing and thinking about.
What did I just write? Is that true? Oh actually that reminds me of something else.
So that's always a process. If I'm sitting at my desk, I really can't get my brain to work as well as it is as when I'm getting up and walking around. So very often, too, if the weather's bad outside in the middle of writing,
I'll like get up and fold the laundry or get up and do the dishes.
Jennifer just walked around the house. Just like I think movement is really critical to forming new thoughts and moving the piece along, which is so critical when.
you don't know where it's gonna go when you started writing it.

Next up
Apollo Robbins
The world's most famous
Pickpocket
I
Knew that I could figure out how to put something inside of a bag of M.
And then reseal it.
In real time without anybody noticing.
And I thought what could I do with that?
Let's just find out.
Yeah, yeah.
And
That's where it started to become a jazz. So this interaction with this guy Jamal, when he came up, he says, uh so you can steal something from me?
And I said, I don't really know. What was your name? He goes, Jamal, I said, How do you spell that, Jamal?
And he said J A I said, Could you write that down for me?
And he pulls out his pen and goes to write it down and his pen wasn't working.
And as we've heard before. Yeah. And up until this point
My stuttering, the break of my speech, the b uh the break of my sight lines with him.
has been very low status.
Break of your sight lines meaning eye contact. Yeah, I didn't keep straight eye contact with him very much. I asked him about his suit. That's really fancy. It was all those status.
And then everything just changed. Then it's this thing I said, Would this help you out, Jamal? And it's straight eye contact and it's the refill to his ink pen.
And he had way underestimated and stepped way too close, he realized suddenly.
And
When that moment happened to him.
You saw him holding his pen with one hand.
his refill with the other and he was just looking at he's stunned. He's in this cycle of trying to make that'cause the only solution it could be is the one he didn't want to accept.
Uh right. So he's canceled out the truth. So where is he gonna go from there? Yeah. That I had stolen it, taken apart, put it back together, and put it back on him. Couldn't be that. So what else could it be?
Pausing time.
Time travel.
So in that
Now at that moment, while he's in that bewildered state, I just said
Well, at least you didn't lose your money.
Or your wallet.
And when I did that, I just glanced down,'cause I noticed he has watch on his left wrist, so he's probably right handed, so he's probably gonna keep his wall in his back right. So I just glanced back toward his back right pocket.
And he jumped on that big he reached in, pulled out his wallet real quick, check to see if he had everything still in his wallet.
And I laughed, uh I saw his attention shift back to the pen.
And I I pushed down his hand, I said, You still have everything and he put it away.
And he says, Uh, you've got to do this to Lisa.
Said, Yeah, great to meet her. I just looked over his shoulder to where I thought
At least it might be.
And he took off to go get Lisa.

Shoves this lady towards me and this agent and I'm dance might dance. Yeah, and I have a I'm having well I'm there to perform, but I'm talking to the agent, I have a a drink, and it this is an important thing, the drink, because it's a part of the style.
It's not alcohol, it's just water, but
It's the I don't need anything from him. I'm not being validated. And a lot of performers will try to spoon feed the audience, but it's letting them bring a thing to them, letting them have a reaction without you needing to feed back off of it. And letting people have this experience for themselves. And so when he pushed the lady up.
I didn't quite look at her at first. I said, sorry, it's nice to meet you. I looked over and I said, What was your name? She goes, Lisa And she hadn't quite come close to me at all. I said,
She said, What's happening? I said, Uh sorry, Lisa, he wants me to steal something from you. She said what?
I said, Do you like chocolate?
She says chocolate?
I said yes, uh there's some chocolate in your purse.
She said, What?
She opens her purse and she finds a bag of M M in her purse.
And uh he's reacting very strongly to this and he's watching this third party, he thinks.
And then she said, How did those get on my purse? And I said, The same way Jamal's driver's license got out of his wallet.
Now he's jumped back into the equation. He rips his water out again, really his license is missing. And he goes, Where in the fuck is my driver's license? And uh he said
It's in the chocolate. As I take a sip of my water and I just walk away. So I let them piece it together themselves. She tears over the Ms and she finds a license in her thing.

Next up
Guy La Liberté
Co founder of Cirque du Soleil.
And founder of One Drop Foundation.
And Loon Rouge.
And I still had played business and out of fun playing business because it was a wall
Always about the gate.
You know, it's like we come from nothing. So what was the world's situation? Go back to nothing.
I couldn't live that. That's where I come from.
While I was seeing successful people failing.
Because they were starting to nurture to not having tomorrow they have
Today.
And start to nurture fear.
And it was like no.
Could you explain that a bit more?
I've seen a lot of successful enterprise.
There's many things that kill success, huh?
The first one I've seen
Is about once you have success, you get a lot of reward financially, economically.
And then
You're starting to nurture the fear of not having tomorrow.
What do you have today?
Right. And then change your entire way of addressing things. So suddenly
You're not the same person. You don't address your business the same way. You don't address your vision and things because
You're not your fear.
Okay.
So my say on that is like
Danger there is.
But please evaluate danger, don't nurture fear, because at the moment you nurture fear.
There's a good chance that it you call your fear and the result of the fear.
So that's one thing, and I've seen a lot.
Of entrepreneur.
Shifting.
They will have been.
Shifting or
Transforming what they are.
And deny where they come from.
So at the end
Not being
themselves.
And having a business of success, changing their soul, their way of doing things, and become other people, which
again, could affect the reserve company.
And the other one is more
recognizing or realizing that a certain moment you're not the person to
Bring
your business or your baby to another level.
To be able to step out when you realize that
Yeah.
Maximize
For different reason.
your contribution to the success of your enterprise.
So let's talk about the first part of that just a little bit longer because I I lived in Silicon Valley for seventeen years and have a lot of friends from that period of my life. Many of them
have shifted, I would say, into trying to defend what they have or have experienced more fear.
because they don't know who to trust, et cetera. I mean there are many
stories that trust. So what else would you say to those people? They're people you care about, you see them maybe changing or feeding the fear. What else would you say to them?
You mentioned something about trust.
There's a tin line between wasting time of doubting versus trying to see
The best side of a person.
and work toward making emerge of a person that's best side.
And this is a conversation I still have, whatever with my kids, with my
Ex
And the actual business.
Is this notion of
To which level you trust
without compromising the fundamental.
And this is
Very difficult to conclude because I've lived the two spectrum
Of that life, I got some of the best reward by trusting people.
And focusing on their beautiful soul versus their dark side.
And that has been very rewarding.
That provoked the
Observation that
People have sometime when you have
Give them traps, they will fell in the trap.
of felling in the greed, ego, and power side of life.
Versus the love, respect, and trust side of life, which
is what we had build our things with.
And and that brought me a lot of deception to people I've really
Trust that I believe.
That we had enough experience together and they fell in that part.
And again.
It happened in my own little ethos, but look what's going on in the world.
You know, we're driven by this tension between the two side of it. And obviously the people who are driven by greed, ego, and power.
Every morning they wake up and then thinking about how they could be better.
Uh.
You know, on the side of the love, peace and love and stuff like that.
We get it on the face.
Ah, we look at the sun, we meditate and and we're a little more slow to react to that. So I guess we have to be a little more organized.
If I'm understanding you correctly, I mean it sounds like
You're suggesting maybe defaulting to trusting people and expecting sometimes you're gonna get punched in the face, but that's just the tax you pay for being optimistic. Or are there other ways that you protect the fundamentals?
No, I would say it.
At the end, there's more success than failure.
But the failure are
More than
Touching.
Then the win of trust.
Because it's usually attached to deception. So I'm talking more about the
The deception, you know, you're in business, you win, you lose, you make good decisions, you do bad decisions, that's part of it. Yeah, nobody's perfect.
And nobody's perfect in the choice of who you work with, who you trust or not.
It's part of doing business.
It's more deep than that what I'm saying. It's just like
So this is why I guess
As much
on this conversation and the beginning to establish
Not the contract. This is why my contract I always
Not put just the legal part. I always start the first page by
The assumption.
The spirit of how a deal is done.
Because my wish that if there's conflict
Before going on the legal battle, you look at what the spirit of the deal was.
And if you have sensitive people, intelligent people, they will relate to this.
Found version the word of the legal uh things.
And that's actually a page in the document.
That has the contract.
It's a based on contract.
Where the first page is not about legal stuff, it's about the philosophy, the spirit of why we're doing the dream. What brought us to that deal? What is the spirit of the deal?
Okay. I made a mistake.
To forget that
Sometime.
And this was the most chaotic thing is because I'm telling you, it's like
If you're not attached to the spirit and it's just legal, we're living in a country, you know, not America, m specifically in the States, it in me will make me happy, make a mistakes and not clear
It's much more difficult for a person to deny.
The spirit if it's been written down.
He will deny it. It's not what I say.
Mm-hmm. Because when you try to bring the spirit in a oral conversation, they will always find a way to justify that it's not what they say. Right.
The thing?
It's very difficult for them. Then it's betrayal.
You understand?
Then you know it's a betrayal. It's not a misunderstanding. Is that first page, I'm very interested in this, is it almost just like regular text, like it's paragraphs or is it bullets or it's understanding that we desire to
Conquer planet March.
We will do everything's to you know, it's like very poetic sometimes, very philosophic, it's very
mission oriented, you know.
We all do document in business a mission and vision and stuff.
Why are we not putting those principle
Right in a contract when two parties do things because
This become a new mission, this is built on new value.
And I think this is I believe
An antidote.
Against persecution or legal
Process.
Yeah.
That's very smart.
Wow.
I've not been that smart all the time because I'm in some case that that I forgot to put it or my family office I've forgot to put it.
But
Now I'm telling you this will be from now on.
Even with experience I did forget to put it because
I guess
I even trust it more than I believe that I should not put in on it and that became the biggest betrayal in business I ever did.
So
No
It's there, forever.
Next up
Rich Paul
Power broker and superstar agent behind LeBron James and Draymond Green.
You said in a GQ interview, which had a great title, so Rich Paul Power Burker of the Year.
that the biggest obstacle or one of the biggest obstacles for young players in learning how to become a pro or be a pro is establishing infrastructure. Yeah. What do you mean by infrastructure?
Most guys that's athletes especially
They've come from an environment to where everyone along the way has made it
About them.
And so if you have the mentality that it's only about me.
Then you're not gonna value
other people and what their capabilities are, what their expertise is.
But
If you're a walking corporation, we can't name one corporation.
That does not have infrastructure.
Organization.
They have an organizational chart.
They have people that
do certain things and there's clarity within that infrastructure.
But it comes with the cost.
And so most athletes don't want to do what?
They don't want to pay.
Anybody do anything because along the way
Everyone has
Did things for them.
For free.
But it wasn't really for free.
It was to be able to be standing there.
Next to them.
at a time where there was actually something to gain.
So I'll sacrifice this now when you're an amateur.
to be able to stand next to you to get some crumbs or whatever the case.
When you become a pro.
And whatever their their aspirations were, w if it was to hang out, the girls, the travel, whatever it is, the money
Whatever it was.
But you see what they did.
Basically
You create it.
Something that
ultimately became your own demise because up front
You taught them wrong.
You taught them
Oh, I'm doing this out of love. I'm gonna pick you up, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. All to turn it around on them when they start making money and say, Remember when I did this or I did that?
Well, that's not fair to the player.
And it's also not fair to yourself.
What the conversation should be like is look.
I understand you don't have the ability to
Pay for anything. And if you're a parent, I'm doing it out of love. I love you.
You're my kid.
But if you're somebody else
Just be honest with it. Hey, look.
I'm gonna
Do all I can to help you get to where you need to go.
Once you get there.
If there's a opportunity for me.
And I'm gonna do all I can.
to position myself to where if you give me that opportunity
I can then be of value to you.
Very simple.
Yeah the
When free isn't free, right? It's an unclear prepayment for things to come later. That's when it seems like things can get extremely messy. How do you help them
when they say sign with you
Or even just start to develop a relationship with you to take the first steps for building out infrastructure.
What are some of the
First steps that you might recommend.
I would say
Checks and balances.
really getting the proper
Financial team in place.
And that's everybody from a CPA to
The guy who manages your investment portfolio or the company that managed your investment portfolio.
really having somebody monitor that.
Because
That's a very
Fragile.
Thing there.
But at the same time deciding what it is that you want. I like to live a certain way.
Now that I understand.
better on how to live.
And so
If you are a single
Man with no family.
Do you really need a 20,000 square foot home? Probably not.

Right. You're not gonna be home half the time.
Do you really need to fly private? Probably not.
So there's different ways to go about it.
But what's most important.
Should you hire a chef?
Yes, you should. Should you take a shortcut on that?
No, you shouldn't.
Do you know the difference between a chef and a cook?
You should find that out.
Because this is very important.
Your chef should then go and sit with your nutritionist on your team.
and figure out you should do all the testing, everything you need because your body
Ultimately.
It's the engine that keeps you running.
That's how you make your money.
What are some of the
Key ingredients for
sort of emotional
support and stability. I'm just imagining young athletes who are suddenly in the limelight.

They have all the temptations, they have a lot of pressure.
There must be
And I've been I know a few professional athletes who've gone through these periods, periods that are very challenging, and certainly after retirement or the end of their playing years, some very challenging times.
What have you seen?
In terms of
the best ways to support that could be from your side, it could be other ingredients.
Player health on that side of the ledger.
Nowadays I think
There needs to be someone that
Players need to talk to and be open minded to having a therapist to get stuff off their chest'cause they they deal with a lot.
They deal with a lot.
I think it's also important for players to not feel entitled to do
Things, you know, oftentimes they feel like they had to take on all of this onus to do something.
for other people and that's not real because when it comes down to it
If you ask
probably eighty percent of the players that aren't in the position they used to be in.
And ask them who can do for them.
It's not gonna be many.
If any.
For that matter.
Meaning people who who are willing to help them. Of course. Yeah. And then how are they
positioning themselves to where when the ball stops
It's not about just having a ton of money, like how can I
do something else. How can I be perceived while playing?
As someone who can transition
And do something else.
I made a lot of money, I don't have to do nothing else. Well that's not true because
You made a lot of money.
But you didn't diversify your portfolio unless your money is making money for you.
And you live a lifestyle in which
your eight percent or your ten percent or whatever it is return.
Each year is able to
Pay your bills.
And your taxes on your home and stuff like that.
Then you gotta go to work.
You have to go to work.
And
It's a big difference when you may
fifty million dollars this year and then next year you make nothing.
It's just tough.
Last but not least
A special episode all about coffee.
Featuring Ethnobotanist
An author of Tales of a Shaman's Apprentice
Doctor Mark Plotkin.
About the same time that coffee was being introduced into South America,
The Dutch East India Company
began importing large shipments of coffee from Java
than in the Dutch East Indies.
Now part of Indonesia.
Into Holland in the year seventeen eleven.
And
As it happened in the Muslim Middle East, demand for coffee was
Short.
In Christian Europe.
Artists, writers, and composers.
began singing the praises of coffee
Sometimes literally.
Johann Sebastian Bach
Compose the coffee cantata.
One of his most beloved pieces is
As part of the library.
He wrote quote.
How sweet coffee tastes.
Lovelier than a thousand kisses, sweeter than
than Muscatel wine.
Henri de Balzac.
The famous French playwright and authority
Penned an essay entitled.
The pleasures and pains of
Of coffee.
I believe Balzac provided the best explanation as why artists fell so deeply in love with Mocha Java.
Quote.
Once coffee hits your system, a
Ideas quickly march into motion.
Like the battalions of a great army.
End of quote.
This underscores a point I've been emphasizing throughout the Plants of the Gods.

That these substances are ideogens, not just hallucinogens. Ideogens, they help create new ideas and concepts.
To repeat Balzac's quote since it is so fundamental.
Once coffee hits your system, the
Ideas quickly march into motion like the battalions of a great army.
Much of Balzac's prodigious output was turbocharged by his coffee consumption.
According to some reports, the Frenchman was downing fifty cups a day, but
His death at the age of fifty one might in some part be due to his coffee addiction, but
After all, one must wonder what
How the poor man ever got to sleep.
Yet his countrymen, the philosopher Voltaire, was even more addicted.

The author of over twenty thousand letters, two thousand books and pamphlets, he was said to have consumed as many as seventy two cups of coffee a day.
To understand why coffee had an even more profound impact in Europe.

Two topics merit a bit of discussion.
The first is potable water.
As the human species began to relinquish the hunter gatherer lifestyle, people began to live together in greater numbers and in greater proximity than ever before.
With no understanding of hygiene
or the germ theory of disease
One's pristine water sources like streams, rivers, and lakes are
became ever more polluted.
If not just outright toxic and poisonous.
This at least partially explains why
Why beer was invented at the same time and the same place as agriculture.
The fertile crescent of Mesopotamia.
About eight thousand years ago.
In what is now Iraq.
Because the preparation of beer
and later coffee, involves boiled water,
Microorganisms were reduced or killed.
And because beer and wine were alcoholic,
Microorganisms were reduced or eliminated.
Hence beer, wine, and coffee were
We're much safer to drink.
than water.
Prior to the advent of coffee in Europe,
And given the absence of the Islamic prohibition of alcohol
Many Europeans drank the equivalent of near beer.
Oh
Day.
Yeah.
The result was a population which lived and worked in what was essentially a constant state of
Of mild.
Beefdlement.
The advent of coffee.
Proved to be a revelation.
Thanks to the caffeine.
Coffee, in moderation, at least, enhances
Alertness.
Concentration.
Cognition.

In the words of Anthony Wilde.
They quote exchanged a state of permanent inebriation for
For a state of permanent
Caffeination.
I love that quote.
Not only was coffee safe to drink, but
But consumers could think more clearly and work better.
Harder and longer hours.
The increasing availability of coffee
and the growing number of coffee houses in which it was consumed and new ideas were proposed and debated has been hail as quote, a brain explosion,
None unlike what most certainly happened when our pre human ancestors first consumed magic mushrooms, fermented fruits, and coffee beans in East Africa.
As had been the case in the Muslim world.
Coffee houses became wildly popular and proved to be a meeting of the minds in different classes and cultures with endless conversations.
Literally fueled.
by a botanical stimulant.

And now here are the bios for all the guests.
My guest today doesn't really need an introduction, but I'll lead into it this way, and I'm gonna keep my preamble short. The world's greatest bodybuilder, the world's highest paid movie star, the leader of the world's sixth largest economy, these are all the same person.
Sounds like the setup to a joke, but this is no joke. This is Arnold Schwarzenegger.
And uh for those who don't know
He is an Austrian born bodybuilder, actor, businessman, philanthropist, bestselling author, and politician. He served as the thirty-eighth governor of California. His new book, Be Useful, Seven Tools for Life, is at October 10th, and his daily newsletter.
That's email newsletter. Pump club recently passed five hundred thousand subscribers and is growing quickly as a positive corner of the internet. Schwarzenegger has made it his mission to give back.
Since his time in the governor's house, he's been working heavily to combat climate change, anti-semitism, ensure fair voting practices, help youth work with veterans, and inspire healthy living, among other things. Now, if you want in addition to all of that, some footage of his incredible accuracy with killing flies.
His shepherding of various animals.
Around the property, including pigs dogs, you can go to my YouTube channel. It's youtube.com slash Tim Ferris. You can find him on social at Schwarzenegger, that's on Twitter, Instagram. TikTok is at Arnold Schnitzel.
on YouTube Arnold Schwarzenegger.
The website for the book is BeUsefulbook.com and the newsletter is Arnold's Pump Club.
Dot com

Today we have a repeat guest and good lord did his last episode do well. It did spectacularly well. You guys loved it, so back by popular demand is Morgan Housel.
You can find him on Twitter at Morgan Housewell, H O U S E L. He is a partner at the Collaborative Fund.
His book The Psychology of Money, which we
Really dug into in depth last time, has sold more than three million copies, and has been translated into fifty three languages. Didn't even know there were that many languages, I'm kidding, of course. He is a two time winner of the Best in Business Award from the Society of American Business Editors and Writers, and winner of the New York Times Sydney Award.

I might be jealous, I might be jealous. In 2022, Market Watch named him one of the fifty most influential people in markets. Good friend to have. He serves on the board of directors at Markell.
Morgan's new book is Same As Ever, subtitle A Guide to What Never Changes. You can find my first
And as I mentioned before, widely popular interview and very tactically dense interview with Morgan at Tim.blog slash Morganhousel.

Going meta very briefly for those who have not listened to the show.
This is a show about deconstructing world class performers across many different disciplines to tease out the habits, routines.
frameworks, et cetera, that you can borrow and apply to your own lives. And sometimes you find
Gems in the most unusual of places. And today's guest may be an example of that, Apollo Robbins.
Apollo Robbins is often referred to as the gentleman thief. He first made national news when he pickpocketed the secret service while entertaining a former US president. And we will get into that story. Forbes has called Robbins
quote, an artful manipulator of awareness, end quote, and Wired has written that quote
He could steal the wallet of a man who knew he was going to have his pocket picked. End quote. And that is an understatement, a vast understatement. And uh if you want to get an idea of what that looks like, you can also check out the video that we took for this podcast.
on my YouTube channel at youtube.com slash Tim Ferris. So listen to the audio, but definitely also check out some of the visuals.
Robin's entertainment credentials include the Warner Brothers film Focus with Will Smith and Margot Robby, along with appearances in Brooklyn Nine Nine and the TNT series Leverage. He was a producer and co-host for National Geographic Brain Games and
which was nominated for an empty for outstanding informational series.
Robbins applied his expertise in magic and misdirection beyond entertainment, pulling back the curtain to show how the principles behind these illusions can enhance strategic thinking.
and decision making.
And we
Get into how much
Of what he has cultivated.
can transfer to other areas. And that really at its core is what this podcast is about. To train you to see those hidden threads.
Or those through lines.
have been published in Scientific American Mind and Nature Reviews Neuroscience. He has delivered lectures at Harvard Kennedy School, MIT Sloan School of Management, and the Society of Neuroscience. He has been profiled by the New Yorker, which is an amazing profile, and featured in the New York Times, the Atlantic, National Geographic, and the Wall Street Journal, among others.
Robins TED Talk, The Art of Misdirection, is ranked in the twenty most watched TED Talks of all time and has been hailed by the TED editors as a revelation in the flaws of human perception. You can find all things Apollo Robins at ApolloRobbins.
dot com
And you can find him on Twitter at ApolloRobbins.

My guest today is Richard.
Full.
Rich Paul is the CEO and founder of Clutch Sports Group, the powerhouse agency representing some of the biggest athletes across major professional sports.
Paul founded Clutch Sports twelve in his hometown of Cleveland, Ohio, where he forged a unique and personal approach to representing top NBA talent, putting athletes first and empowering them to build careers and brands on and off.
The court and some of his numbers are just
Unbelievable. And we get into
Stories from
negotiations and much more in this conversation. In twenty nineteen, Clutch Sports partnered with
United Talent Agency, otherwise known as UTA, Paul serves as UTA's head of sports and is an agency partner, and he was appointed to UTA's board of directors in twenty twenty.
In twenty nineteen, Paul was also named GQ's Power Broker of the Year and dubbed the Kingmaker.
on the cover of Sports Illustrated. In twenty twenty one, Time recognized Clutch Sports on its first ever list of the Time one hundred most influential companies, and Variety recently named Paul to their Variety five hundred list of the most influential business leaders shaping the global media industry.
Paul is also credited with driving the reversal of the so-called Rich Paul rule, which would have banned agents without a college degree from representing NCAA student athletes.
In twenty twenty one, Paul and three former Nike executives formed a company called Adopt, a creative agency focused on sport, wellness, nutrition, tech.
and other consumer facing products. In 2022, Paul joined the board of trustees of Lacama and the board of directors of Funco and Designer Brands.
And this year, in twenty twenty-three, he joined the board of directors of Live Nation. He is also a minority partner of the Spring Hill Company.
His latest book is Lucky Me.
A memoir of changing the odds. You can find him on Instagram at Rich Paul and on Twitter.
At Rich Paul Four, that is the number four.

My guest today has been in the works for a long time. I'm thrilled to have him, and if I'm not mistaken, this is his first.
Long form podcast ever.
G
La liberté.
who is the founder of Cirque de Soleil, One Drop Foundation, and Lun Rouge. If I'm pronouncing that correctly, my apologies for the French, which I do not speak. He was named by Time Magazine as one of the most influential personalities in the world and has been recognized as one of the most creative
and innovative minds by Condé Nast. An artist, entrepreneur, and philanthropist, Guy is a three time winner of the Ernst and Young Entrepreneur of the Year Award, which included World Entrepreneur of the Year. He is a Knight of the National Order of Quebec and an inductee of the Canadian Business Hall of Fame.
He has been granted the insignia of the Order of Canada, the highest distinction in the country, and in 2010 received his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Guy now dedicates his time to his company.
Lun Rouge and his international nonprofit One Drop Foundation, which aims to ensure sustainable access to safe water, sanitation, and hygiene for communities everywhere through innovative partnerships, creativity, and the power of art. This is a
Wild conversation full of a lot of unbelievable stories. And we take a few minutes to warm up, but definitely stick around. There's a lot to learn. There are many, many negotiation tactics, philosophical tenets, and more that you can pick up from this conversation. You can find him on Instagram at
Guy La Liberté DJ
And you can find his new projects.
Which are brand new projects.
And they will contain descriptions of some different projects that we allude to at the end of the conversation, and that is frugs.
F R
O O G S dot com and you can get to the English with slash E N. So frugs.com slash en

This is going to be a slightly different episode. This time around, we have a special edition featuring my friend, Dr. Mark.
Plotkin, famed ethnobotanist. Mark takes over my duties as host for this episode and shared an episode of his Plants of the Gods.
podcast, but you are hearing it before anyone else.
You're hearing it before even his own podcast subscribers. So this is a Tim Ferris show exclusive.
But let's back up. Who is Dr. Mark Plotkin? Mark, you can find him online on Twitter at
Doc DOC Mark Plotkin is an ethnobotanist.
Who serves as president of the Amazon conservation team, which has partnered with roughly eighty tribes to map and improve management and protection.
of roughly one hundred million acres of ancestral rainforests. He is best known to the general public as the author of the book Tales of a Shaman's Apprentice, one of the most popular books ever written about the rainforest. His most recent book is The Amazon, What Everyone Needs to Know, and you can find my interview with Mark, where we dig into his history, his mentors including
Richard Evan Schaltes.
the legendary Richard Evan Schultes and so on at Tim.blog.
slash Mark Plotkin. This episode, however, this tightly packed episode explores all things coffee.
Which is the most
widely consumed mind altering plant product in the world, and it gets into all different aspects.
of coffee many of which I think will surprise you
Hey guys, this is Tim again, just one more thing before you take off, and that is Five Bullet Friday. Would you enjoy getting a short email from me every Friday that provides a little fun before the weekend?
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