The 2025 Milly Awards!

0:00 All right. Steph, welcome back. You've been on uh I don't know, dozen times or so. You're a great friend of the pod. We wanted to to do this with you. So we have categories. A bunch of categories for the year. And we're gonna go

0:13 Rapid fire through them. Uh a and and we'll do it do it that way. Okay, so Steph, you've been given the categories, but we don't know what you said. Sam, I don't know what you said. This will be a surprise for all of us. Well I wish actually would have recapped some of the numbers, but over the last twelve months, Sean, I don't know if you've known this, but we've had something like ninety million uh views if across everything, downloads and views. Amazing. Pretty wild.

0:35 I that always crossed I believe I think we're close to two million subscribers across YouTube, Spotify and and and Apple or whatever. Which is bananas. I mean that number ninety million, that's a lot of That's a lot of view time.

0:49 Lot of views. It's a lot. And like there's definitely like one or two shorts that got like Ten million. I think last year. I think we had last year there was one where we told the story, maybe you told the story of Elon Musk. I think got thirty million. So like some go really heavy, but it's been been pretty crazy. So we've reached tens of millions of people in the last twelve months, which is astounding. And now we do this at the end of every year. And it's one of my favorite things. Uh we do mostly the same categories each year.

1:14 But it's always like so fun to go through your phone and like look at old photos and see what's going on from your trailer in twelve months. So I'm excited to do this. So Uh category number one. The best investment that you made this year, is that right? Best investment you made this year. So uh Sam, you wanna kick this off? Yeah, so my uh if this just says investment, it doesn't say best money investment. My best money investment is always boring because I just do S P five hundred bonds, but my best real investment uh that I made was I moved to New York City. And let me tell you the story. So I was living in the suburbs, I decided to move to New York City.

1:45 I moved here and I found an apartment that I loved. It was furnished amazingly. And I go to the previous tenants, I go, I want to move into this apartment. Um Do you guys just want to sell me all your furniture? And so I had them itemize all of their furniture and it added up to be very expensive, eighty thousand or ninety thousand dollars worth of stuff. I said, I'll give you ten percent. They took it. So I ended up moving to the city in a furnished apartment where I get to see my in laws four days a week. I go to my office five days a week and it's made me so happy.

2:13 So that's been my best investment was moving to a furnished place. I sold all my cars. I don't own basically anything and I love it. Owning less stuff. Moving to the city, being near your family. Yeah. Working in person in an office. That's actually a pretty big change overall. Huge change. And it's definitely made me a lot happier. Questionable if it's an investment. But it is a huge change. I I will give you that. It's an emotional investment. I'm emotionally invested in this city now.

2:37 See, this is why I don't do index funds and bonds, because imagine if I'm one day on a podcast and they ask me about best investment of the year and I can't I have to start talking about Seeing my mother in law. Like that's just that's why I don't that's why I pick stocks, baby. That's why I picked it up. Yeah, like what am I gonna say? I my net worth went up by thirty percent this year. For boring stuff. Uh Steph, what do you got? Best best investment of the year. Tell me it's an actual investment and not like it. I'm about to disappoint you, man. Oh my God. The only time I check the S P is to gauge my husband's mood for the day. So he invests all our money. And so I gotta I gotta come up with something else. My

3:15 investment is also not really an investment, but um it's acutane. You guys know what Acutane is? What? Yes. Is that like acne medicine? What is that? Yes, yes, yes. Um so Backstory real quick, I've had acne my whole life, like truly since I was thirteen.

3:33 I'm thirty two now, so what is that? That's nearly two decades of just Unnecessary pain. Time applied. Just the worst. Anyone who's at had acne knows it sucks. So I spent forever just being like it'll go away, I'm getting older.

3:49 And then and then I was influenced by the The king influencer Mr Beast. He was on I can't even remember what podcast, but he just slipped it in one day. He was like Yeah, I took acutine a few years ago. Didn't really tell anyone, but like One day my acne just disappeared overnight. I don't know why more people don't talk about this.

4:07 And I was like First of all, yes, why don't more people talk about this? And second of all I'm gonna call up my dermatologist. And ask why. I'm not on Accutane and I took it for six months this year, and I'm clear. And I think it's like, you know, obviously your mileage may vary. Go talk to a doctor, but I'm just like

4:25 This is the best thing ever. People the the internet can do the comparison. I mean, I always wear makeup, so take Right now, go back to like V one of me on my first million, it's gonna look different. You should post a tweet of a True before and after.

4:41 Well I mean I think that's the thing. People are so embarrassed to like You know, if I were to actually take I'm sure I've got some images of me, no makeup during those periods, it's it's embarrassing. So we have another category called biggest personal L you took and maybe maybe there'll there will be some photos. During that time. Um okay so you also didn't do the category. We're off to a a a a rough start here. Um all right. So my investment. So it is actually kinda funny. A year ago to the

5:11 Uh to the day. So this December seventeenth today. I tweeted out on December sixteenth. This tweet. So I said I'm going

5:20 Christmas shopping this morning. I'm sh Xmas shopping assets this morning and I tweeted it out. So basically what I did was that day I took Um It's something like

5:30 1.5 million dollars and I spread it across these stocks and I tweeted it out that day. I said I'm putting twenty percent into Shopify twenty percent into Tesla, twenty percent into Eli Lilly, twenty percent into Bitcoin, twenty percent into Coinbase. The one I forgot to put on here is I also put twenty percent Google. And um Or sorry, not twenty percent cool. I put basically I put two fifty K into each one. So I think the total was one point two five. Um million invested.

5:53 On the same day on December sixteenth. No dollar cost averaging. No research. No nothing. I was just feeling Like these are things I would like to gift myself for long term ownership. And um

6:05 If I look, so the results of these now are what? So I just looked this morning. 'Cause I haven't really been Checking too aggressively. So I had a couple that were flat. So Coinbase and Bitcoin. are essentially flat. Coinbase is up one percent, Bitcoin's down eight percent. Uh in in that total year span.

6:22 But everything else. Shopify's up fifty three percent, Tesla's up. Sixteen, seventeen percent. Eli Lilly's up thirty five percent, Google's up fifty percent. And so my Public Stock

6:33 Bet That I put out there. is my best investment of the year. Because uh you know, I think the blended average here is something w what is that? Uh let me I thought I pulled it up somewhere.

6:44 I think it's something like thirty five percent for the year. Um and so that was a that was a good return on a one day shopping spree. I Ha. You use these words like shopping spree and things like that as if they apply here, which is hilarious. I was supposed to be Christmas shopping, gifts for others, and instead I bought stocks for myself. I thought you committed to the index path last year. I I distinctly remember you saying that. Well.

7:07 If I did. These are false promises. I'm I'm I am part of this degenerate lifestyle. For now and for always. So Sean, what do you do? Do you keep those five or do you pick five new ones? Well the the one the one part that's not as I'm not trading these. These are like What companies do I w what companies or assets do I want to own?

7:25 for like a ten year period. Ten years my sort of default hold period. And that's what I've I graduated in college in twenty ten and it's basically what I've been doing since then. So I held I had one thing that I bought for, you know, twenty ten to twenty twenty. And then in twenty twenty I bought a bunch of stuff which wasn't so great'cause that was when Covid was happening and it was like a really crazy time. Um But in general, when I buy things, I try to hold them for ten years. That's the goal.

7:46 Why Eli Lilly?'Cause I do 'Cause you told me that they had some drug that was incredible. And you were like retruded. What is it? You texted me something and I was like, listen. I didn't listen when Sam said the Ozempic thing. Um But literally it was the one it was literally the only that. It was just you telling me that this drug is incredible and it puts us empic to shame.

8:06 And it wasn't fully out yet or something. I don't know what I don't know, you had some early stiff around this. Yeah, I had a guy basically so I like to biohack, so I test all types of crazy stuff. A lot of times it's like compound stuff, meaning like it's like Stuff from China. And I don't know like what I'm allowed to admit to right now. I don't want to like go to jail.

8:27 But uh yeah, your friend does all this. Yeah. And your friend also named Sam as well. And it did all of the stuff that Ozepic does other than make your stomach feel sick. Uh and I started taking it and it's amazing. It's so good. I mean, I don't take this stuff like regularly. It just any time something new comes out, it's sort of like Oh. What's a D V D player? I gotta buy one.

8:46 Uh, you know, that's what I do with drugs. Like you learn about new technology. And uh it was amazing. So you told me this and then since then. No, no, dude, you told me I think that day, and I was like, you know what? I'm putting Lily in. It's up thirty four percent. Um I I didn't say I researched these, by the way.

9:06 I operate on gut and swagger, okay? Um and so the the The diff since then the the C of Eli Lilly has come on and um because Lilly has turned into like a trillion dollar company. It's like the first Pharmaceutical company to do that. And he's explained all the incredible things that they do differently than the others, and how they're using AI. And I I I feel better about it now. There's more to like. But I can't say that any of those were the reasons why I did it. Like yeah, they do seem to operate. Like more of a tech company now, but uh

9:33 I don't know. It just seemed like people were gonna want I I just sort of was like people are gonna oh, Zimpic is like the best product ever. And um Sam says they have a better Hosepic coming. All right, great. Sean's investment thesis just says Sam tried some drug. Well the history that's been four of Sam's other ones and so I thought well for once I'll I'll do this. Like for example, like if you remember when we uh invested in the uh mobility trend on Instagram?

9:59 No payoff, but yeah. Yeah, like there has been a few things. We invested in Andrew Huberman early on. We've we've gotten a couple of investments, uh, right. It just turns out this one was financial. Um That's cool. That's great. Uh, Steph, you have some offer for people who are listening. What is the what is the offer? What is the thing that you're Given people if they go in the comments or the description and click. What is it? Oh yeah. You guys at My First Million were very kind and generous to offer

10:24 Um, Internet Pipes is a project I've worked on for the last two years. Probably heard about it on the pod before. So if you go to the link, I guess in the show notes, you can enter and get one of 10 copies. And If you enter, you get my digits database. So it's like a hundred plus like generation defining trends. That hopefully will mean something meaningful in the future. Things like

10:47 What did Elon see? He saw that it was possible to exponentially decrease. the cost to send a kilogram to space. What does that mean? Well it means like completely re rethinking our communication system, Starlink. Right.

10:59 What is that? So they go in, they they definitely get the database, and then then ten people will also get Uh free access to pipes. Exactly. All right. Go get it.

11:09 Okay, so does that mean that worst investment of the year is also gonna have no answers for you guys? Are we. Uh I you know, I when I sold my company I got a bunch of HubSpot stock. And I held on to a lot of it and then I saw how multiples were getting cracking and I had to like even out'cause it was making up two high of a percentage of my net worth, but I still kept some of it. So I I I got uh

11:29 My ass kicked on that one. How about you, Steph? Sean's not gonna like my answer, but it's it's not financial. I did um get a vitamin. Is it a vitamin or like a supplement of some kind? Worst investment, a vitamin. Uh no I uh I did get a notice that a bubble tea company I invested in A few years ago during Peak Sarp.

11:50 Went under. Unsurprisingly. Oh, I've got twenty of those. It was literally these founders who were on one of those like crowdfunding sites who was like

12:02 Just had no no real evidence that they would make a great bubble tea company, but I was like, bubble tea's great invested in that but my actual answer for worst investment that is not financial is just Uh, networking events. I feel like you guys already know this, but like it's taken me way too long to Name names.

12:21 Which conferences do you regret this year? Let's let's put'em out there. All of them? Uh yeah. I think that's that's my worst investment going to all these things that you just like you know beforehand are gonna suck. You're not gonna like them, but there's some Sliver of you that thinks like there might be something good there. And then were you required to go or it was an optional attend and then you regretted it? It was it was an optional attend. It was a lack of judgment.

12:44 Gotcha. What about you should be? Okay. I like it. Um Sam, anything you want to add to her uh Her networking event answer?

12:53 No, I mean what am I gonna No, I agree with you, but Yeah. I'm a I I'm on board. What about yours, Sean? What's your biggest hell? Or sorry, your biggest loss. I went to one networking event with you and uh I thought you did great. I was like, wow, she's such a natural at these events. Not'cause you'cause you weren't Trying.

13:07 And I was like, Oh, people just seem to gravitate towards staff, they want to hang out with her. She seems like a safe space for everybody who's exhausted from the networking part of this event. And uh I just remember thinking, I don't know how she did that, but I like that. That was a great year at networking events. I went to an email newsletter conference. We went to uh Sean's basketball thing. Uh I went to the HubSpot conference like somewhat recently. I had a great year. Did you have like I guess I own those sounds Much better than the other um so So you had a great uh

13:36 Like you I like going to networking. If it yeah,'cause I like seeing old friends. I've been in the industry for long enough that it's the only time that I see old buddies. That's fair. Yeah, that's true. Like did you go did you like really go I didn't I didn't really go to anything this year. You went to M Well, that was in San Francisco. I just showed up and gave my talk and I left. So it was like, you know, a very quick

13:57 Thing. Um All right, I hung out with Darmesh actually at the event. That was like kinda the only thing I did. Yeah, that sounds awesome. Um okay, I'll give you my worst investment of the year. Um once again. I So here's my uh

14:10 Uh, this wasn't okay, so I guess it's a little less little. I didn't lose money much in any investments this year, which was nice'cause In prior years, if you go back and watch these awards It's like hey, invest in this crypto Ponzi scheme. What's up with that? Uh, you know, that was that was pretty bad. You know, I've I've I've run into some trouble along the way. This year I didn't have any But I will say this.

14:30 I realized, I found out this year that I ha I passed on Three different Ten billion dollar startup investments. That were right in my wheelhouse. Which was and uh unbelievable. So the first one was Polymarket. I was one of the early users, probably the first five thousand users of Polymarket.

14:50 I'm a degenerate gambler. I You know. My college GPA is like half a point lower than it should be because I used to go gamble on river boats in international waters and stuff instead of going to class. Like I am a degenerate gambler. I was using polymarket. I was VPNing to pretend I'm in Morocco to place bets.

15:07 Um allegedly. And so you know, I'm using Polymarket. I love the thing. The founder Is in my DMs. He's he screenshotted his phone and posted one of my blog posts as the background of his phone. He's like, I thought you'd like this. This is my background of my phone this week. And I was like The ultimate in and didn't somehow

15:25 End up making an investment just like didn't Didn't go actively try to do it. Uh until it was too late. Calci, same thing, another prediction market, same product. If I didn't hit the winner, you know, the first winner, polymarket, maybe I could have hit the second winner, I go back, I check my DMs.

15:39 They've been DMing me since twenty twenty. Hey, huge fans of the pod. Would love to do something with you. Uh you know, all I needed to do was uh answer. And guess what? I did answer. And here's what here's what my great answer was. Oh, so pretty similar to polymarket then, huh? That was my

15:55 Son of a gun answer. The valuations of those were probably sub a hundred million dollars for sure at that stage. Um And now they're both above ten billion. So no public math, but somebody at the chat can tell me how much money I lost.

16:12 And the last one was what not? So I get acquired by Twitch, the number one live streaming platform. When I'm at Twitch, guess what I do? I tell Twitch Hey, we're losing the the battlefield on mobile. I become the leader of mobile at Twitch. To do mobile live shows. Dude, we talked about these guys on the pod too. You had a great spiel on them. Talk about on the pod. I actually meet with them. I try I asked to invest. I'm like, guys, I could help you. I know this space inside and out. I know all the talent you need to recruit. I know the best people from Twitch. We'll go poach them. We'll raid the pantry.

16:42 This is gonna be amazing. And they were like he was like, Yeah, you know, we're pretty oversubscribed and I was like It's me. Make some space. He's like, All right, let me get back to you. He did not get back to me, and I did not get back to him, and I did not invest in whatnot's first round, um and I and now it's a ten billion dollar company also. And it was literally the thing I was doing. The thing I know probably

17:03 You know. There's not There's not a hundred people on earth that know that space better than I do. You know, and missed it. How many of your investments went under this year?'Cause I this was the year where uh I probably got ten emails of different angel companies that I uh angel investments that I made that they went under. It took about three years. Well it's the it's the worst phase, right? So we're

17:23 I uh we're probably both since we started like Angel Lesting. You you had a syndicate, I had a fund. Like twenty one. The worst phase is gonna be like year three. Year four? Because The only companies that are exiting are either small exits or just shutdowns at this stage. Your winners are gonna ride for another five years.

17:40 So it's like Angelist, you got a distribution and you go check and it's like three dollars and forty one cents from this company. And then the founders bragging about their acquisition on Twitter and you're like, just shoot me now. Would you um going back, how many angel investments have you done Steph? I don't know, like fifteen? Okay, so going back and Okay, so f first of all, look all forward in the future.

18:00 Uh five years from now, let's say you invested a hundred dollars. What do you think that hundred dollars is gonna turn into for both of you? Or what what IRR? I don't know how you want to measure it, but Hard to say. I I think it'll three three to four X basically over the tenure period. So it'll be something like a Was a guess? Uh, you know, if I my personal guess would be like

18:19 Something like a Something like a three to four X over the over that over the ten year life span. That does not seem worth it. That doesn't even seem worth it for the K1s I have to deal with, honestly. I don't know if you guys are different. My learning from Peak Zarp was I never want to angel invest again. I unless it's a company that I

18:38 want to be involved with. Actively. It depends. So like I I use a conservative estimate just to keep keep not like get my hopes up or just like false promise myself. The thing with these is it depends on basically your bet like I did a hundred and Hundred and ten deals.

18:52 Yeah it just it depends on your top four deals. So it's like I have these four companies. Right now, they're doing amazing. They're you know, like whatever, hundred X returns on each of them or fifty to hundreds, but like Will they will they last? Will they exit? Are they gonna go up another order of magnitude from here? Like that's what you need in Angel Investing is to get like totally sort of like multi hundred X or a thousand X type of return.

19:15 And then you look like a genius, but you don't really know for a while, to be honest. Like even the companies that are kicking ass right now, the breakouts They were You know. It it's it's hard to know. Can they sustain it? Will they get the time will the time the exit? Will they actually IPO? What was what's gonna happen? You know, but it's it's hard to know. I do I've done fifty six. My first two or three were pretty great. Like

19:34 you know, maybe ten X or plus. Um, and then my last two were like a hundred X or something like crazy like that. And so basically I had to go through fifty of them to get like the one or two winners, which is pretty pretty wild. And so it will be nor it's the normal hit. It's normal. The the trick isn't even Um out of a hundred can you get twelve instead of six. It's are your six

19:59 As big as the the the big winners are in any given cohort of companies, right? Like And it's also hard to know. I invested in Replit. And it had like two million in revenue. It now has two hundred fifty million in revenue annual revenue. It's growing like crazy. Like it's unbelievable. But like Where does this all go? It's hard to it's hard to know, you know, if that's sustainable to to keep gr to keep growing.

20:18 As fast as they've been growing. All right. So next category is the biggest personal L that we took. Okay. I'm gonna tell you what mine is, and it's gonna make you guys all Just like Uh. cringe. So basically I was at a party this about six months ago. And I overhear this group of people talking about being pregnant.

20:35 And this one lady I I couldn't even tell it. Tell ya, I asked her When she was due. I've done that.

20:44 She wasn't due. And I I I said, what do you do? Dude, I spent Why are you looking at me like that? I spent thirty seconds looking for now. Oh I thought I I I did In front of five other people, I just apologized. I said sorry. And I walked away. I said I'm so sorry. I tried I was like a guy falling off a cliff grabbing for trees and I couldn't grab a branch.

21:14 And I was like, I uh I I thought you said you were pregnant. I didn't see your kid with you, but so I didn't know like you had a kid and you left him behind And then eventually it just was I'm sorry. I really I just apologize. It's so funny because on podcasts, you know, you y self deprecating is good. But like what's worth

21:33 Full deprecating. Don't go full deprecated You went full deprecating there. I I just like I truly I'm not joking. And then my nanny was with me, like we went to a party and she was like You really blew that one. I was like I did that at a Christmas party in twenty thirteen. I could tell you the exact place and days where you laugh. And then it was like I've just never it's never left me how to do it. I knew not to do that. I knew not to do that, but I just like when I did it. I knew not to do it.

22:00 But it's sort of like I don't know, like when you l you instinctively stop at a red light. Like I just thought I heard her say that she was pregnant and I just said, Wait, what do you do? I don't know. It was horrible. And like it's one of these things that I'm gonna remember for the next fifty yeah. Wait, I'm so curious, what do these women say when you apologize?

22:18 Are they like, Oh it's okay, like People do this to me all the time, or are they like, You're an ashole. No, she rubbed it in my face She basically just smiled like smugly. You know screw this lady actually. Because it's her fault. No, she like looked at me and just like She like acted disappointed in me. Which she was. So I don't know. She looked pregnant. She looked like a normal person just had a big belly. Uh amazing.

22:53 We should uh we should segue to a host spot at it. It's time you go next. All right. So I have a I have a bad one too. Um so I got jury duty this year. In April. And I was like, I've never got I've never had to go. Like they call you know, sometimes you call in

23:10 'Cause it's a every year thing, but it's like Russian roulette. So you know, you call in like you don't need to come in. Or you go in and right away they're like, Hey, you're good to go. Um, I used a hardship thing like I gotta be at work. I got out before.

23:23 So this year I expect it's gonna go swimmingly again. And I show up. And All of a sudden it's like no no, you're definitely gonna be needed, you're definitely gonna be seen.

23:34 There's a really big case and I'm like, What? I don't want a big case. This is bad. So I get into the to the jury duty like where they're like vetting people. Right. And the judge gives this big speech about civic duty. And like there's a s presentation, like

23:48 Not even a presentation. Remember Prezi? The judge had a the judge had a Prezi going on. The judges like proud of his animations. He's like checking. Exactly. Like everybody is the first time they use Prezi, they're like, Holy shit. Like this is better than Avatar. Like and so uh so the judge is doing a Prezi about like the founding fathers and how This is the s jury duty is the bedrock of society and all the shit. As you might guess, I'm I'm completely unmoved. I'm completely unpatriotic in this way. I do I do not care. And so I'm like just formulating my idea of like how I'm gonna get out of this. I'm like, Oh, I'll just say

24:20 I have a work trip. Easy. Uh they gave the dates. Funny enough, I got a work trip. So uh

24:27 I'm in the row, so there's like seven people ahead of me. First person stands up and says, Uh, Your Honor, I have a I have a work trip. I'm not gonna be able to attend. He says, um Do you have the booking information? Can you please show it to me? And I'm like what? And so that guy starts to so I go on my phone and I'm like

24:44 So I book a flight. And person number two goes, I don't hear them I'm booking a flight. Person three goes, I'm booking a flight. Uh the judge has reviewed that person's booking and says um This was booked. Today and the

24:57 You got your this was booked in the s like the window after you s were served notice. The flight needed to be booked before that. So now I've got a booking. And my lie is gone, so I'm like, Okay, what am I gonna do next? So I the the next person goes and they say, like I'm Really important network. So I'm like, I have this podcast. And I'm like, That's not gonna work. So I'm like, That's not gonna work. What do I do next?

25:17 So eventually it comes to me. And I'm like, uh I have a I do have a baby at home, so I was like, I have a baby at home. I need to be there to take care of the baby. My wife works.

25:29 And so Judges' like Does your wife work at home? And I'm like Personal question. But uh, do I lie? Do I not lie? I'm like, she is at home, but uh but

25:39 But I'm like trying to figure out like how do I Like Can I can I muddy the waters a little bit? So I was like, but you know, she's And basically the only idea that comes to my mind is to be I'm like Yeah, I'm like Do I just say she's a bad mom? Like that's not gonna work. So I'm like I'm the primary caretaker of this baby.

26:02 And then like you know, like I even remember the baby's middle name at this point. And then she's like She's like so Would your wife take care of the baby? And I'm like Oh God, like I'm going way deeper in than I thought I was gonna go. And it's like

26:16 Yeah, but I just wouldn't feel comfortable with it. And then she's like, Why? You're like, look, your honor, it's what is it, noon? She's already about eight Sand X deep. Okay, I basically made my wife sound like either a bad mom or like a a drug addict or something. I like she's a drunk. And so I was like, You know what? I'll be fine. I'll be here. Can't wait to can't wait. I'll be I'll be there. And so I just let it pass. Girl next to me, she goes the lady asks, uh she's like Can you do it?

26:42 Um and she's like No. And the judge goes, Why not? She goes. It's against my religion.

26:48 I don't believe you should judge anyone. And she's like what religion is that? She goes. And she cited a Bible passage which was like Like basically about like don't don't judge anyone therefore because they don't judge you or something and the judge's like Okay, thank you, you're dismissed. But couldn't you Oh my god was it. Couldn't you have just told him you're racist or something?

27:07 Yeah, I thought about that, but I was like I was in a very diverse crowd and I was like I still have to like In case I don't get off with that, I don't wanna be around these people where I'm saying a lie that I'm racist. So I you know. It was a tough uh in the in the moment. But it was the big the biggest L I had was uh Just embarrassing myself. And by the way, it was so fun. Jury Diddy was a great time and I'm glad I got to do it. It was a great opportunity. Uh did you make him guilty or innocent?

27:34 I didn't get picked in the end for the actual eight in the box or whatever that like the people who actually go sit there. I just didn't get dismissed early so I I So you spent the day. I spent three days there. You should wear a purple heart, man. You look at you. You're really just taking one for the country. It was true. Um what's your stuff?

27:53 Guys, I swear my answers get better from here. My biggest personal L um was staying in a job too long. No shade to my previous employer, but I think Sounds like a lot of shade. No, I promise. Sounds like a canopy. I just I you guys know I was working on a podcast for three years. Um, it was a really cool opportunity, but I think the epitome of When other people think you should be good at something.

28:21 And you think therefore you should be good at something and that you should figure it out. Versus Like driving full force towards a thing that you love. Doing.

28:30 So And it was a pretty prestigious job. I think a lot of people would have been drunk off that as well. Yeah. And so now I'm at Grock. Um working on growth and it's just for me. Way more fun.

28:41 And Steph. Did we not have a conversation about this? Did I not tell you this was the case? Did I not try to tell you to don't carry this this guilt or this feeling like you need to to prove whatever and that you're a superstar and you should be doing superstar things. I think I gave you that you're a superstar, you should be doing superstar things. Talk. You a hundred percent did, about a year in, and it took me two more years to make the comments. It didn't land. Yeah. I'm not very persuasive.

29:06 All right. Um Next category we have is Coolest Moment. Coolest moment of the year. I've got a good one. Actually can we Can we skip to let's do a couple of the the non personal stories. We'll come back to that one. So Let's do um

29:20 You wanna do Billy of the year or f favorite guest? Which one do you want to do? Let's do um Uh Billy of the Yeah. Okay. Billy of the year.

29:29 Um Sam, you go first. Yes, I got it. I did this podcast with this guy named Steve Houghton. Steve Houghton is a billionaire via uh real estate in oil and gas, which is very vague, but I can explain. But uh at the end of the pod I like made like a A joke because we had talked about this whole podcast about how he was a billionaire, but it seemed like his kids really loved him.

29:47 And I like made an offhand comment like Yeah, man. I should I gotta come out and see how you uh manage your family sometime. It's it's an inspiration. And without skipping a beat, he was like, How about in four weeks? We're gonna be at our uh ski house, um we have a room for you and I was like All right. And uh I just said yes, and then I'd go downstairs with my wife, I go, Pack your bag, Sarah, we'll go to Utah. She's like, With who? I was like I met this guy, just did a podcast with him. I've only known him for sixty minutes. I don't know anything about him, but we're going to his house.

30:11 And I got to his house and it was amazing. And it was amazing for a bunch of reasons'cause I got to see how he like uh work with his family and it was really amazing. But it was pretty funny. They say money doesn't buy happiness, but I was very happy being in the seventeen thousand square foot home with this entire family. And I I mean this sounds like I'm being a a D bag, but this is the truth. I do think that wealthy people see their grown kids more than non wealthy people simply for the fact that there was room for all of us to be there and be comfortable. And it was amazing. And I've since like stayed in touch with his kids and he had another family there as well. And it was such a fun experience. And so Steve Houghton was my Billy of the Week. Billion of the year. Billion of the year.

30:50 Okay. Steph, what you got? Billy of the year. All right. So I tried to start from the perspective of what is a piece of technology that I think is just incredible and Mattered this year. That piece of technology for me was Wamo.

31:06 Um a lot of people are familiar with it. I got to interview their cheap Chief product officer a few years ago. In a way, Mo. And it's kind of crazy when you actually think about it. I think that was Max two years ago.

31:17 Maybe three. And when we were riding in that car in San Francisco. People at that time were still like peering into the windows, like Oh my God, look at that crazy thing. And in the last few years at least in in San Francisco, Phoenix, a few other cities, it is so normal. There's Waymo's Waymo's upon like there's I've been at intersections where there's eight Waymo's at that

31:39 Intersection and traffic faster. No, not necessarily, but I think if you could have all the cars on the road, it would make traffic faster for sure. Um, but The person I chose, the Billy I don't know if he's actually a billionaire, so I'm cheating a little bit, but he's for sure a hundreds of millionaire. Is

31:58 Sebastian Trun. He was um one of the early He's like the father of self driving. Exactly. So let me throw out a few different pieces of his timeline. So He was motivated by personal tragedy. His childhood friend was killed in a car accident when he was eighteen.

32:14 That got him invested in trying to figure out this self-driving equation. In tw two thousand five, so Twenty years ago, DARPA had a grand challenge funded by the US government. His team won. Then two thousand seven He goes and he joins Google and

32:31 He didn't just create Waymo, he also co-founded and led Google X, their moonshot factory. He co developed Google Street View. And of course he was one of the creators of Waymo way back when But here's the thing, he left in twenty fourteen and he's also gone on to do some really cool shit. So

32:48 In 2011, he put out this introduction to artificial intelligence course online for free. Hundred and sixty thousand students enrolled. Um Because he saw how people could learn online, you don't need to be at Stanford to learn about AI. He created Udacity in two thousand eleven. And then since then he's also um

33:07 Led The Kitty Hawk Corporation, that they were building electric flying cars, didn't ultimately end up working out, but that's another thing that he's been like super early to. We're now seeing these EV tool companies, you know, get off the ground. I just think this guy is super cool. Like he's been early to all of these trends and um is just like continuing to build even though he's already you know, he was early to Waymo, he's rich. And he's just

33:31 continuing to double. This guy's prolific. Good find. There's a there's like a lineage, I think, of people under him. Like he had his initial lab. maybe at Sanford or whatever. And somebody who was doing self driving who's describing like, you know Basically all the modern self driving kind of like leaders. If you just trace their kind of lineage, it's like

33:49 He had six people or seven people under him. It was that school of thought that sort of like branched out and created like all the different people in the industry. Today. Um so he's he's very much like uh What was was a g sort of grandfather or godfather to that to the industry. He's also um he's got some range because like he created a

34:08 Uh You know? C these cars things, which is like the most brilliant thing on earth, but then also he has a course business. And his it's that's um

34:16 being silly a little bit, but that's like not in my opinion in the same category of of of the flying cars. But it it's Udacity to me is a very respectable, like amazing thing. And so it's pretty cool how much range she has. Yeah, so all of us who create courses, we're just like these Self driving car guys, right? Usually range is like wide. This is almost like up and down. Yeah, our barbell doesn't have the weight on the other side yet. So it's a little awkward to hold. So we definitely have to go and do that. But that's pretty cool though. All right, mine um came down to a coin flip between John Morgan and Jesse Cole. I went with Jesse Cole, so

34:55 Uh, we did an episode with him on the podcast and I was incredibly inspired by this guy. So he's done what I think is Basically impossible. Um, if somebody had told me that Like ten years ago, like hey, there's gonna be somebody

35:09 Who is gonna make a minor league Baseball team. have you know more followers on social media than the Yankees and by the way and all other M L B teams combined. They're gonna have like a three million person wait list and be selling out eighty thousand person stadiums.

35:26 And that he bootstrapped the business with his wife to, you know, a hundred million plus I just think that is like That is playing business on like such hard mode. That is like the equivalent. If you're non technical, that's the equivalent of rockets that land themselves. is to take a minor league baseball team that nobody gives a shit about.

35:45 In a league that nobody gives a shit about. With players that nobody's ever heard of. And turn it into this incredible entertainment thing. And the way he did it was just so like I don't know, from the soul and passionate, right? Like there's A lot of creativity.

35:58 In in the in the you know, being basically a modern day like P T Barnum. There was a lot of just like passion and soul to like the hustle to do this. Like, you know, he's on the pod, he's written four books behind him. They do a show every weekend, you know, like they're traveling the world. He's just doing everything. And it's just like that man, I would I would never, ever, ever be able to do something like that.

36:17 And then the last thing was like I don't know, he was just a sweetheart when he was on the pot. Such a nice guy, so genuine. I think Sammy told me like They foster like kids as well. I was just like, Jeez, how good like How good is this human being? And I just feel like We are lucky that there's somebody as kind of creative and such a like force of creativity and um as as this guy, like walking the earth. I think I even told him that on the pod, like I'm glad you are walking the earth, which I've never like felt

36:44 The need to say to another man, but I I did that day. We we used to joke and have this concept of like the total man and it was like what does it mean to be like a great man? And he is one of the maybe three people we've had in the podcast that I would go in that category where he's like I I felt I was like you are You are a very special human being and you are the epitome of what it means to be a man. We should have just been like, Can you lift your shirt up? If you've got a visible lab. You're if you have visible abs, you are in the club, my friend. Like that's the only thing

37:10 That we is like the fitness side is the only other part of the Total Man franchise that that we don't know about him yet. I think that um You know, we've talked about this podcast on ri Living a Rich Life. Which means like there's business, there's family, there's uh there's having a good life, there's treating people wonderfully. I think that he is one of the richest people that we've ever had in the podcast.

37:31 in terms of uh a holistic rich life. He felt like a very special person. If you look through his Instagram, like he like pays tribute to his wife. He talks about his team. You see him like giving these inspirational talks to his to uh the players Uh I was just like this guy's got no flaws. It almost it's kind of intimidating. The the w the one little nugget that just kind of Showed a lot was They um

37:52 They don't charge They eat the sales tax on ticket prices. So they're like, it's twenty five dollars for a ticket. Flat. And it's like okay, so but you know, there's always tax plus tax. It's like no no no we we we pay that. We eat the we the we eat the cost of that. It's like At the scale that they operate at.

38:08 That's just millions and millions of a year. Just so that the average customer when they're checking out feels like they were kind of taken care of. versus, you know, being stuck at two. Which is how, you know. Ticketmaster and these these these other you know things of Live Nation, like

38:23 You don't when you go by from them, you just feel like you're just being You know. mugged basically at the checkout counter, right? It's like oh and then here's the service fee, convenience fee, park fee, and this fee and like It's now triple the cost. And I just thought like that little nugget of like how they they

38:38 don't just leave money on the table, but they put money back on the table. I thought tell told a lot about like, you know. Actions versus words. Everybody says they're custom friendly. Who actually who actually does that? Very few people. We made we talked to him. We were like um he made a comment where he was like whatever you see that you've seen for predictions on how big our businesses It's much bigger.

38:58 And so like I thought that was really cool too. And he didn't even say it as a flex. I think we like teased it out of him. But he didn't talk about numbers at all other than that one comment and I thought that was really cool. Yeah, that was amazing. Um all right. Next category we'll do is um We'll do the one we were about to do, which was uh what was the biggest personal coolest moment of life. Coolest moment. I've got one. I've got one. So Sean organizes this thing where we go to Mr. Beast's house and um

39:26 or his town and we like tour his property and play basketball with a bunch of successful people last year He had Someone that was like the ninetietth richest person in the world. He had all these powerful people. And Mr Beast was giving us a tour of his campus. So it felt like a movie studio. And All of these

39:43 Guys there. We're trying to kind of be cool a little bit in posture and not in like Mr Beast was sh was Was saying the most ridiculous things that you could imagine. Like where you have this guy living in this home for one whole year and he can't leave the home until he loses a hundred pounds and he's like, I spent this much money on this studio and like we're doing this. And he's just saying like ridiculous stuff. And everyone was trying to be cool, like, Yep, this is what it takes to be the best. Totally get it. And Jessie uh Jesse Itzler, who was there.

40:12 This is the craziest thing. He's like, why isn't anyone calling this guy up? This is the most ridiculous stuff I've ever seen. I can't believe this. How does one person live this way? This is just insane. And Jesse Isler was like the most sane person there, which he wasn't like insulting Mr. Beast, but he was like He and he was like a very reasonable person and um Jesse Itzler, I think him and his family are billionaires or near billionaires, and he's very successful. And we've met Sean a lot of people on the internet who appear a certain way. If we've met him in real life and there's a some oftentimes there's a gap, or if you do meet them in real life, you think, I don't want to be like you. Jesse Itzler It was one of the coolest moments of my life to meet that guy'cause he was exact he was better than he appears on the internet and he was very inspirational. And he was like, Can we acknowledge that this is just insane and ridiculous? It's cool. But it's just like

40:55 This is it's like and then like there was a funny thing where Mr. Beast like he parks his car like in front of the entrance of the of the building. Like he drives his car over the parking lot and and Jesse made fun of him. He's like, dude, there's an open spot right there. What are you doing? And I just thought it was funny that he was like A teasing him and B the He didn't get swept up in it like the rest of the state. No, and it was so funny. And we were talking about some ridiculous stuff. Like we had a billionaire there who was talking about how aliens are real. And he knows this because he hangs out with like White House people. Like it was like pretty funny stuff. Did you see that new documentary, by the way? About that time. Yeah, there's like a There's like a documentary. What is it called? Do you remember the name is Uh Let me pull it up. When we were there, it was it was um I I don't know if I I won't say who it was, but it was a very powerful person who goes, Tomorrow you're gonna see a news story about aliens. I know all about it and they're real. Like he was talking about it. Yeah. It's called The Age of Disclosure. I was just sort of.

41:50 Colour me not. Fulvinced, but You know. You should watch it. Partially convinced?

41:56 Did you uh agree that Jesse Isler was just the man? Yeah. My coolest moments also uh just the yesterday. We didn't plan this, but uh same, I don't even know what I was at his house yesterday. I flew to his house. I spent the not I spent yeah, all yesterday with him. Um In my coolest moment, uh

42:12 Has to do with that. So What were you doing with them? Recording a podcast? Sam's Sam's jealous. Sam's coolest moment was meeting the guy and you just dunked on him, being like I hung out with him yesterday. Well he did a he did a talk in Manhattan just the other day, but I already had planned, so I didn't even get to go. So it just shows how much I really care. But no, he was So I just flew to Sass and so uh so the coolest moment of the year. Uh Alright, so

42:39 Last year. F uh this time last year, Jesse came on the podcast and he explained his New Year's planning, uh, process and philosophy, how he attacks the new year. And Sam, I don't know if you remember, but yeah, we were both pretty inspired by it. And one of his core concept is this concept of a misogee. So he says You know, the years fly by. You know, if you asked me right now, what did you do in twenty eighteen? I I don't know, I'd have to really think, how old was I, where was I living, what was I doing?

43:03 Whereas what he does is he picks A Masogi, which is a j Japanese ritual of A a challenge, a hard year defining thing. So you'll always remember, Oh, that was the year I hiked, you know, this I hiked afterwards. That was the year I did my first Iron Man. That was the year I did XYZ.

43:20 And he could tell you. Twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. Yeah, twenty fifteen. That's the year that David Goggins lived in my house. And I trained with Goggins. Twenty sixteen, that was the year I lived with the monks. Twenty seventeen, that was the year I did my first whatever. And so after the pod, I was trying to I was like pretty inspired. I was like, What am I gonna do? And um You know, he Jesse's really adventurous. He's big into these like endurance races. That's never something I've been like drawn to.

43:43 So I had the I had the will, but I didn't have the idea. And that night I'm uh Before I went to bed. I was watching I was on YouTube and I saw this recommended video of

43:53 I don't even know why I clicked it. It was like this dude playing the piano. And it was this uh guy who's He's this Italian composer. He's basically the most famous piano player in the world at this point.

44:04 Um He's like a modern day composer and he was playing this song and he was playing a performance he did at the Steve Jobs Theater, which is like Ten minutes away from where I was I was at my sister's house, ten minutes away from her house, where I was that night. And I saw it and I was like

44:19 What if I did this? This year. Like forget business, forget I was like, What if I what if this was the year I learned You know, I can't dance. I can't sing I've never played a musical instrument. Like I don't have that innate talent.

44:31 But like what if this was what if that's a thing I picked up? What if I could just jam out on the piano specifically, what if I could play this song? And so As you know, Sam, I've been practicing all year and I I love the Instagram stuff. I've been learning to play. And uh but you know, the one thing I didn't do was like he the way Jesse's philosophy is Is it that you

44:50 When you decide you're gonna do something, you don't just make it a wish or a pl like a goal. You plan a date. It's like I'm gonna run this race on this day. I'm gonna take my kids here on this day. It's on the calendar. It's a thing I'm working towards. So that was the one part I never did. I was like, I don't know, what am I gonna do? piano recital like uh not like seven years old. I don't know what to do. So yesterday I'm at his house.

45:10 And he's giving us a tour. And I'm there to do a podcast with them, the the another annual planning thing. And he's we're walking by, he's like, Oh, this is my favorite thing in the house. This is a piano my mother gave me. Before she died. And I was like, Do you play? He's like, No, I've never nobody's ever played this piano. Like you know, since we we got it. It's just it's here, but I love it. And I'm like in my head, I'm like, Oh, this might be the perfect thing. Like that was my misogee last year when we did our annual planning. We're doing it this year.

45:34 He doesn't know that he kinda triggered me to actually like go do something. So I was like, I'm gonna do this. So When we were talking about I go, Can I show you mine? I'm still getting he's like, Well what what do you mean? I was like, let's walk over here. And so we go and I play the song. Now I'm doing this song.

45:50 No, no, it's not a singing thing. It's just a it's just a piano song. I'm playing the song and just the context here is like I've been playing This every day at my house. I had play upstairs in my room and honestly like Nobody particularly gives a fuck. Like my wife Is like Good for you, but can you come help with dinner? Like, you know, uh th like you know it she's like in the middle of three little kids, like

46:09 You know, I'm it's not like I'm getting a pat on the back for the thing. My kids don't really care about classical piano music. My wife doesn't really care. I have never really played for anybody else. And so Uh, this is my first time ever playing for anybody. And I turn when I was done.

46:24 And It was like the craziest thing. So Jesse's there, he's crying. His head of strategy there, she's crying holding the phone. Sarah, his wife, who I never met, she's the founder of Spanks.

46:36 Had come downstairs because she heard somebody playing the piano. She's Cry she's like weeping. We have this all this gonna be crazy. It's all on camera too. I happen to have a camera guy there'cause recorded the podcast. So basically like There's this full circle moment of

46:49 Last year he planted the seed. I worked hard on it all year. No there was no real like payoff for it. There's no like purpose for doing it. I just wanted to do it. And then there was like this amazing payoff moment. Where They actually gave a shit about like what I was doing and they like appreciated. They were like that was amazing.

47:05 And um I had never felt that like ever. And so it was for me, it was not only the coolest moment, it's one of the coolest moments of my life if I'm Being perfectly honest, I'm a little embarrassed to say it, but It really was this like incredible Like high. This and it was totally serendipitous. I didn't plan

47:21 For any of that to happen. It's this um song called I don't even know how you say it properly. It it's like Italian, but it's Nouvall. Beyond shadow. I don't know how you spell the s pronounce the second word, but I'll I'll put it in the description of what it was. This is great song. And I was like this I was like, I don't know what's happening, I don't know why everyone's crying.

47:40 I don't know what's going on, but like I feel like my parking pass just got extremely validated just now. Thank you guys for that. That is so cool. What did they say afterwards? Dude, he couldn't even continue the pod for like twenty he's like, dude, I'm blown away. He's like I he's like I I need like a minute. And he's like he was like that is so cool. He's like, you know You're thirty seven years old, you pick up an instrument, like

48:02 You can do that in a year? He's like, If you could do that, Aaron, his son had come down to listen while we were doing it and um He's like, I'm just so happy my son saw and heard that because I hope it planted a seed with him of like, yo, you can If he can do that in i in eleven months or whatever

48:18 Like Dude, you could do anything. Like anything is on the table for you. And he was just like very inspired by it. And I was like, here's a guy who I admire. Like you and I have both talked about this. Like he's our kind of like Entrepreneurial North Star. Like a guy who lives a a life well lived all around. You know?

48:34 Four kids. Beautiful relationship with his wife. does all these adventurous trips with his friends. He's in great shape. He runs hundred mile marathons. He's had incredible business success. He's a great, you know, content creator. You know, he he's just a prolific guy. You know, he's built brands like Zico Coconut Water and

48:50 Sold a company to Warren Buffett. It's like what more do you want out of life, right? Like this guy's done he's played a game in a way that I would love to play the game the game of life. Um And so to kinda get like that moment with somebody who I kind of admire, that was that was definitely my coolest moment of the year. That's really great. That's a very interesting sign.

49:08 I gotta say, I when I first saw that you were learning piano. I thought that was the coolest thing I had ever heard about you. So I think there's something no, genuinely, like that's not to dismiss any of the other stuff. But I was just like You know, when you're a creator online

49:24 As we talked about earlier, people make these assumptions about you. They kind of sometimes dictate what is in your Orbit. And for you to be like, No no no, this is this is something I want to learn. I might not even be sure exactly why. But I'm gonna go do it.

49:39 It's not what people expect, um, and then to do what you just did. Like I I actually think that is so cool. Yeah, I commented on this podcast. I was like You you know, all this business stuff is great, but the piano thing it's uh for some reason oddly inspiring. Well the funny thing is like in the moment it never feels that way, right? Cause like I'm walking out of my piano teacher's class. There's only

50:00 It's like, all right, Brandon, good luck, buddy. You know, there's only seven year olds there. You know, their parents are there. They're looking around like, where's your kid? I'm like, No, no, it was me. Like I was the one. getting the lesson, the piano lesson. And it's just like kind of a odd thing to be doing, you know, pretty regularly, but you know Again.

50:16 Trusted my gut, w went with it, just like leaned into it. You know, it's like all right, I'm having fun, so what I'm not forcing myself to do something I don't wanna do. Why does everything have to be Like with an agenda. And um, you know, this kind of like validated like, yeah, just keep doing that. Good things do happen when you w as you keep doing that. Don't worry. Like you'll also get the rewards you you seek in life. Even when you're doing the stuff that seems like it has, you know, no rewards, you're just doing it because you like it. Next podcast, I wanna know all all all of what it was about hanging out with him.

50:42 Yeah, I'll we'll do what about. Um my coolest moment I was in between two. I did a big trip to Africa and if You haven't done Gorilla trekking, it is one of the most incredible things I've ever done. Gorilla trekking? What did you say? Yes. Yeah, well trekking, tracking, you do both. Basically they're uh tracking down a gorilla or you're doing something well you're trekking. Families of gorillas that live we did it in Rwanda, they have it in Uganda, not many countries other than that. And um they're wild.

51:12 So Yeah, they live in the wild and they move every night. So they have these trackers. Who go out? every day and try to locate them and then you trek through the rainforest truly like you're there's mud up to your knees.

51:26 Um at points and try to find him. Which which place? In Rwanda. Uh. Uh. But Super cool experience, but my actual answer is going to see the world series with my dad.

51:37 He's been a Blue Jays fan since I've sick. Before I was born. Um, the last time they won the World Series was in ninety three. They had a double year, ninety two, ninety three, and then I was born And ruined it all. And so he he kind of makes fun of me for that every year and is like also the person who goes and is like, is their year, is their year, they made these trades. Watches every game, you know, a hundred and sixty plus, and he's also

52:00 Where I get every ounce of my cheapness from. And so he would never ever. buy tickets for himself. And so um, yeah, her you know, once they hit the world series, I flew home. bottom tickets for game six when they had their first chance to win. Didn't win.

52:16 Then yell at it for game seven, totally worth it. Like can't really think of a better way to do that. Oh, you did two in a row, that's awesome. Yeah, I mean I wish they had won either of them. So close'cause they lost. But um Yeah. That's amazing. That's a that's a that's a great thing to do. That's a really great thing to do. I could see why all NBA players, like their first thing is like I bought my mama a house. It's like

52:36 I think there's probably like very few things you could Dude, that will like, you know, feel as good as like taking your dad or your mom to like to do something that that they would love to do, they'd never do for themselves. Yeah. And like, you know, get to do that with them when they're grown up. Do you guys combine frame breaking person and favorite guest? Okay.

52:55 What you got? So um Well, do you have a favorite guest? Let's explain what frame breaking Okay. me and Sam use this term a lot. Frame breaking. Everybody walks around with some frame. A frame is like a border, right? And everything that's inside the border

53:08 Is what you sort of I've I'm used to that. I've seen that. I expect that. That's what's in the picture. That's how wide my lens goes. And then occasionally you'll meet these people. Who will just completely break your frame. And it's like, Oh, I didn't ri like it's like imagine a painting where somebody just starts drawing past the frame onto the wall. You're like what? You can't go out there. And so this is maybe somebody with like extreme ambition or they live life to the fullest in this way that you don't really do, or they're really

53:32 you know, really intentional about their time or you know, there's these things that people do. That You thought you knew what level ten looked like in that category and then you realized oh, what I thought was a ten. Is a seven. And now I know what a ten looks like. I actually like somebody's broken my frame. They've turned the volume knob up.

53:49 Further than I thought it could go. in that aspect of their life. So That's the setup. Who who was your frame breaking person? So there's this Aristotle quote that I've been thinking about for like a year now. I think last last time when we did this, I was saying I was trying to use my phone less. And there's Aristotle quote it says, uh Excellence is never an accident.

54:05 It's always the result of high intentions, sincere effort, and intelligent execution. And the reason I think about that all the time is because I don't know about you guys, but like if I'm on a Zoom meeting I'm probably browsing the internet. If I'm watching T V, I probably have my phone up and I'm doing something.

54:20 Like there's this constant interruption and never focusing on something. And it's kind of been tearing me apart. It's kinda make me gone mad. And so I've been working so hard on being intentional about my attention. And uh focusing on excellence, but in a very few amount of things. So just picking a couple of things and being great.

54:39 And we had this guy I don't think you were here, Sean, but we had this guy named Will Cadera. Who wrote this book called Unreasonable Hospitality. And the story is if you guys have seen The Bear, it's one of the inspirations for the bear. The T V show. But basically the story is that he owned this uh very famous restaurant in San Fran uh New York. called Eleven Madison. And they're famous for going above and beyond. For example

54:59 Uh someone was just restaurant in the country, or was like the claim to fame, right? It was the top rated restaurant in the country, in part because the food was was special. It was a Michelin star place, so it was like fancy. But the other part was that they were known for being unreasonably hospitable. So I'll give you an example. They had this couple or a family from Europe c uh come to the restaurant that they've planned for months to attend. And uh Will or a waiter overheard them say, We're leaving tomorrow, but the one thing we didn't get to experience was a New York street hot dog. And so Will has this guy at his company. who they call them the dream weaver. And his only job was to make dreams come true to their customers. And so this guy ran outside and he bought a street hot dog or a couple of them and they chopped them up and put like a cute garnish on it. So it sort of looked like it was a fancy restaurant food, but it was actually a street hot dog. And they said, Right, we heard you talk about you wanting a hot dog

55:50 Here you go. Your dreams have come become a reality. And That's rooted in like unreasonable hospitality, but the reality is it's about being excellent. And he gave this amazing spiel. And it's crazy. This did not th I think this hit on Spotify But it did not hit on YouTube, but this was the best podcast I'd ever recorded based uh just of what he told me of the idea of just he was like, We are gonna go above and beyond and we are going to be excellent.

56:15 And I found that to be kind of overfilling my cup, not just in the business category, but in life of just pursuing excellence. For the sake of just trying to be great at a couple of things. And I found that to be a very uh inspirational book and I find him to be a very inspirational person and kind of broke my frame. That was awesome.

56:32 That was an awesome rant and summary of it too. I love that. Thank you. It was awesome. Peak. Peak television. It was the best. And then um

56:46 My favorite guests. Sleeper of a guest. Sean Frank. So Sean Frank's this guy who's the CEO of um Ridge wallet, which is a popular wallet company. He I wanna guys, this guy's so funny and so interesting, Sean, because he's kinda like you and I, like he can he's silly and everything.

57:01 But his silliness is I I think he's actually a very serious person and I found this blog that he wrote Uh last year. Listen to this. He said, My goal is to sell Ridge for a billion dollars in the next three years. I have to time it right because we're coming out of a bubble and interest rates are gonna go up. And then they're gonna come back down, hopefully by two thousand twenty five, and then by two thousand twenty six or twenty seven, I'm gonna sell this company.

57:21 And I just thought it was hilarious that this guy like called his shot like that. And if you listen to the podcast that we had with him, he was a very direct person. And I find that to be incredibly refreshing. So I think Sean Frank was my favorite guest. He's a great follow on Twitter as well. Dude, he's like a wholesome guy, but he's very blunt and I find that to be a very cool combination. Yeah. Yeah, he's funny. So that's my favorite that's my favorite frame breaking people. Today's episode is brought to you by HubSpot. Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book, but then tearing out four fifths of the pages.

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58:17 Frame breaking person. Okay, so I discovered her Because I've gotten into running Lately and I watched this documentary. Spell her name? Fiona.

58:27 Oaks O A K E S This documentary was about her It's called Running for Good, the Fiona Oaks documentary. Okay, so get this. She has been a vegan since she was six. She lost her kneecap at age seventeen due to an injury and medical complications. Yeah.

58:44 She is this crazy marathon woman. She lives some in some like farm area in England. She just runs a crazy number of miles. Doctors to other patients who have lost their kneecaps are like you can't even walk downhill. She's running these marathons. She has multiple world records.

59:03 And the craziest part is she does all of this because she just loves animals so much. She didn't grow up running and like, you know, enter competitions. She wasn't on cross country. She just One day realized, Oh I'm pretty fast. And then started Entering marathons to win money.

59:20 So that she could go fund her farm business. And take care of her animals better. So this woman was just like The most frame breaking because I'm just like who is this? And how is she running two forty eight marathons? That's like six twenty four.

59:34 Minutes per mile. Um, and she just does it like no one knows who she is until you know someone discovered her and they're making documentaries about her. But she just Just the craest combination of Things and

59:46 She's just like she's a World record holder. She ran Marathon before she lost her kneecap also, or she started this hobby after? I don't know how much running she was doing before the kneecap, but all of the records All of the She lost the knee at the age of sixteen. Post yeah.

1:00:05 Post kneecap. And she's fifty six now and she's doing this shit. It's pretty wild. Yeah. It's crazy. The the documentary is funny too because they start out and they don't share any of her times. They're kind of hyping her up and you see her, she looks kinda old, and you're like, Okay, sure, you know. Like

1:00:21 She might be fast for a fifty year old, but she's not sh no way she can be that fast. And then you actually look up her times. And you're like, holy shit. This woman is a legend. I don't know how these guys run so much. The more I run, the more hurt I get. Like I She doesn't have the kneecap.

1:00:36 That's the trick. Are you are you not d are you not willing to do that? Dude, remember that guy with the fake legs who ran the four hundred meter in the Olympics? Yes. Oscar if it's legal. Yeah. He also went to jail for like killing his wife. Yeah, he killed his wife. Yeah. Uh I always thought that was nonsense. Why did these guys broke a frame or two? Well like why do they get to be in the Olympics? Like they don't like they don't have any normal Olympics or the normal Olympics, which is nonsense. He he doesn't have any like legs that can get full of lactic acid. They're like metal legs. Like why does he get to go? Like you know what I mean? It seems ridiculous. That is ridiculous. It's ridiculous. I'm enraged. Yeah. It's ridiculous.

1:01:16 Fiona Oaks, what's the documentary called? It is called Running for Good, the Fiona Oaks documentary. Really crazy. Did you have a favorite guest also, or you do you want to just use her for both? No, I've got a favorite guest. Uh you mentioned him before, so maybe he's your favorite guest. He's Uh recent John Morgan. I listened to a bunch of the episodes and there were people like there was

1:01:37 The exploding kittens guy, there was Eric Ryan, there was Sheel, like all of those people I went into the episode expecting to like. I went into this episode expecting to not like John Morgan. And he just was incredible. The num the number of businesses that he's gone into, whether it's his attraction stuff, apartments. Ad agency tech company. Is insane. But it was his one liners that I was just like, dude, this guy simplifies

1:02:04 The All of this like shit that us tech company people Overcomplicate. Into Just the best lines. He's like, I don't hunt deer, I hunt money. When he's talking about his UL, he's like

1:02:15 I went for Um Justice for all. Yeah, he was like basically I was worried people couldn't t uh spell justice. So um Yeah, he went with for the people. Um

1:02:28 He also like had this line where he's like I'm good at sharing the profits. And I was like You know what? There's actually something to that. Like so many people are so bad at spreading the wealth, and he's just like, Look, I treat my people good.

1:02:42 You know, I share the profits. Yeah. Crazy number. He got on and Sha and I I think I don't know who booked him, but we didn't know I don't think we entirely knew what we were getting into because he's now he's on this tour, but uh like there wasn't a lot of information about him.

1:02:57 And we I don't think we knew what we were getting into. I know I was going into it like uh we'll see. I got these attractions, this upside down museum. And he goes And let me tell you. Yeah.

1:03:12 Prince money. Yeah, he goes Prince. He said the F word so hard. And we don't say the F word not really on this show. And we both like eyes went open and we were like buckle up, baby. We are going on a on a roller coaster. This was something. And there was twenty lines and I showed it to my dad because Morgan and Morgan I think is they have an office in Missouri, so that's where the commercials and he was like, You can't air this. This is gonna ruin this guy's reputation. And I was like, I don't know, man, I think he knows what he was doing because he I showed up I go, he said the F word

1:03:45 Literally fifteen times. Do you know why we win? Our competitors, they're lawyers. They're shit. And like And then he goes, um and then he goes.

1:03:56 There and then when we win, we go into a case. They don't want to settle, but six weeks in they see how serious they are. And they want to settle and I go You. And I take him for everything they're worth. Like he's like is the he was a very vulgar guy, but it like a Netflix showrunner, I'd just be like I need to follow him around

1:04:15 'Cause I'm gonna build like, you know, Ari Gold like characters around, you know, this guy's personality and the way he rolls. And we go, Why are you even we said, Why are you doing this? He goes Because it's good for business. I also love that he's not I mean he built a tech company, but he's not in our tech world, so he'd be like I was on the business insider, or he'd be like Sean. Have you are you aware of this thing?

1:04:39 called first principle's thinking. And I was like, my whole thing valley was what would Google do? Yeah. So that was awesome. Sean, what about yours? Yeah, he w I mean he was amazing. Uh also I would say one other thing about him, which is

1:04:59 I had this opinion, I don't know from where it came from, but just my default never even thought about it again was Personal injury lawyers. Sleazy ambulance chaser, blah blah blah. And it's like, wait a minute, so what's this the actual story? His brother Yeah.

1:05:13 Basically paralyzed on the job. has poor representation. He gets mad about that, decides I'm gonna go to law school, become a personal injury lawyer. to fight for you know fight for that. And it's like wait, yeah, so it's basically people who are You know It's you're fighting for the common men against large corporations for the most part. And it's like I wonder why this isn't seen as a more

1:05:32 as a more noble profession, like obviously there's aspects to it. I get why it gets that bad rep, but like I don't know. I j I I think it's I think it's over I think the the public opinion is far overrated on uh on negativity towards towards this profession in this way.

1:05:48 I totally agree, man. Have you ever like Known someone who got hurt at work and you're like, This is a travesty. These insurance companies should be paying you this much more. Like there's nothing you could do. You know, have you ever like tried have you ever like in a car I've been in like a car my car got messed up and I was like, This car is worth way more than you guys are telling me, but I just gotta take it. Now imagine if this was like your mom who got hurt. Exactly. Yeah, it it m I think most of his cases are against companies like insurance companies, right? So it's it's a little weird that they have the reputation. Um Alright, I have a frame breaking person.

1:06:15 That you guys probably don't know. Her name is Kristen Berman. And Kristen is somebody I met at an event. I went to one event I I that's I lied. I did go to one event this year. I went to um The dialogue conference.

1:06:27 And Honestly, didn't love the conference overall, but there was one conversation I thought was really great. And it was this conversation um where Kristen was there. She is partners with Dan Arielli. So if you've ever read the book Predictably, he's like one of the famous behavioral economists in the world. Like business partners or like married. They run Irrational Labs, which I think is like a consulting so companies come to them and

1:06:50 You know the like Panda Express will come to them and be like, Hey We wanna provide healthy options, but like how do we frame this in a way that will be like, you know, people make the choices that they want, or how do we get people to choose to insulate how do we get People to choose to insulate their water heater. 'Cause it's good for the environment, it'll save the money, but we can't seem to get them to do it. What are what are ways we could do that? So they'll go to them and try to say, You guys understand how people's consumers' brains work.

1:07:14 What are ways to do this? So anyway, she's telling the story. And um The reason it's a frame breaking story is she she made some money. So let's just I don't know, I'll just make up some numbers. But she made a couple of million bucks, let's say. And at the time her and her husband, um and I

1:07:29 think maybe kid, but her and her husband were living in let's call it a two bedroom Like a two bed uh uh you know, apartment. And what Everybody I know does is you make money and then you upgrade your lifestyle. So you go from a two bed to a three bed to a four bed to a five bed, whatever. And then soon you're at the Sam you talk about like a seventeen thousand square foot mansion.

1:07:46 And you know, the the more you keep going. And that's how they use their money to improve their life. She being a behavioral economist had a very different perspective and it was Not out of like trying to be a good person or do something different. She was just like, Well, this is what

1:08:00 The data tells us matters. And so she was like, uh what she did was she kept the same apartment she was in. But she bought the three or four units right around her and created a basic compound. And then invited people who they really liked. So you know, people that they they basically built their own little micro community. So it's like Who would be an amazing neighbor with Like they rented she rented it at a time. They rent it out to them for below market rent.

1:08:23 And she's like, you know, I just you know, it didn't even matter. We're not trying to make a rental property and get this cash flow. I'm not trying to upgrade my own lifestyle, live in this baller place. No, like Basically the data says that like the people you have around you, your close knit community is the number one thing that will improve your happiness. So we did that.

1:08:40 So we bought these other units. We now have people, you know, like kind of like who are friends or friends adjacent like apply to come in. We're really rigorous about who gets in and then when they're in No, they're a part of our life, you know, like they're we're s we see them all the time and it's been amazing. And she wasn't even really like preaching about this, but I was kinda like Wait a minute, like this is

1:09:00 I like that sounds simple. Sounds simple to do. I don't know anyone who's done that. Like, do you know anybody, we know a lot of rich people, do you know anybody who's actually done that? Well, I kinda did that. Me and Neville bought homes together. Bro, you moved away. I ha yeah, I moved away to be positive doing that. I moved away to be closer to to family, but I will say we we were intentional about it and it was freaking awesome. Yeah, y you you might be the only person I know who's also kind of like been like, I'm gonna live on the same block as this person. And that's more important than Getting the bathrooms with the marble and the the way we want, you know, how most people I think pick and choose what they're gonna do.

1:09:33 In fact, most people I know who make money, they isolate themselves. They they move into More private communities. Bigger and bigger places with bigger and bigger lots. And they basically like create a pocket of loneliness because

1:09:45 Maybe their family they can't afford to live right next to them. Or their friends aren't all also in in the same, you know either category or looking to move at the same time. And they move into a place where other people are used to not talking to each other. And they they it's like isolationist. So I just thought this was amazing. It kinda broke my frame, but it was vr very inspiring because as much as I'm inspired

1:10:04 Learn how to make money. I think Morgan House said it best, like you can either use money as one of two ways. Number one. As a tool to improve your life. Or number two, as a measuring stick to measure your self worth.

1:10:17 And I you know, it's so easy to get caught in the money as a measuring stick thing, but money as a tool to improve your life. That means you've got to learn how to spend it just as much as you gotta learn how to make it. And so he's yeah, this this was an example of like how to actually spend money to improve the quality of your life. We should have her on. This sounds great. Yeah, we totally should. She was awesome. That's cool. That's a great one. Uh I never heard of this uh this person. That sounds badass. Does she have a book or anything?

1:10:42 Or is her um, predictably rational was kind of like part of their I don't know. I don't know I don't know too much, but um Yeah, let's have her on. She's gonna be great. This is for the folks out there who have a business that does at least three million dollars a year in revenue. Because around this point, that's when you're able to look up after being heads down for years building your company. And you realize two things.

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1:12:04 joinhampton dot com And what's your Favorite guests. Favorite guest was Nick Mowbray, so This is basically the

1:12:13 The closest person to Elon Musk that I've ever met. Um, not like closest as in like friends, but like closest like oh wow, you're basically like Elon. He just You know and Elon was born in South Africa, this guy's in New Zealand. And he went into the toy industry. And if you haven't heard it, the pod he

1:12:29 Dude, he d he does very few podcasts. I think When I was doing research, it was like one interview from like fifteen years ago, it was the only thing I could find. And um It took like thirty emails to get him to come on and he was amazing. Such a good dude, and his story is like Like a movie.

1:12:45 Um you know Literally like sleeping in a bush. Uh, you know, in China trying to trying to make it happen. Like it was just unbelievable. Like the sort of sleeping on the factory floor mentality, the level of grit, living off a dollar a day until they made it. And now, you know, the brothers are the wealthiest men in New Zealand. They're built self made billionaires, own the whole thing.

1:13:05 not only built one of the biggest toy probably a top three toy company in the world sitting in New Zealand, but also built Like you know, a top three diaper company also built a top shampoo company like This guy is insane. Like you know, he he was saying how when he He got c like a Yeah.

1:13:21 That living off a dollar a day in China, eating McDonalds, you know, like kind of off the dollar menu type of thing got uh, you know Caught up to him and he had to like get his Like small intestine removed or something and he's like, You know, when I was in recovery, sitting in the like hospital I decided like I was watching TikTok and I decided like I'm gonna build one of the biggest brands on TikTok, and he built like the biggest diaper brand as a side quest.

1:13:42 Using TikTok and I'm like this guy is an animal. I asked him I was like Did you? Like Elon. Have you ever met Elon? He's like, No, I've never met him I would l I would love to have met him. I he's like, you know

1:13:57 At one point me and my brother we were the largest shareholders in the world of Tesla stock. He's like I'm a big fan. And I was like, What do you mean? He's like, Yeah, well I think we owned I think they own like w I forgot he said one percent or four percent of Of Tesla. Just personally they owned it. He's like, Yeah, we w you know, but then when Covet hit and like

1:14:14 the world stopped and the factories had to shut down. We didn't know we were at such a huge position. We you know, we reduced during that time. He's like huge mistake. We left like fifteen billion dollars on the table by not holding for the next five years. And he's like, um But to the point where his brother like flew to California and installed cameras on buildings. That had an angle at the Fremont factory?'Cause they were like, This is such a huge position, we should monitor the factory production.

1:14:38 And I was like, This is the most high agency person I've ever met in my life. Um I was very, very inspired by Nick Mowbray. It says on Wikipedia that they're both they're worth collectively twenty billion dollars. I didn't realize I I thought that he was a billionaire, like one billion. That's incredible. No. And now they're like three D printing houses. Like it's cra they're they're doing crazy, crazy, crazy stuff. And the base is just the toy company?

1:15:05 Like that was the foundation of the wealth. Yeah. That is so insane. When you hear these people who have side quests that are like orders of magnitude. Built. Yeah. It's it's

1:15:18 Wow. Wow, that was awesome. You um I knew the story, but I didn't realize how successful they were. That's really amazing. Um okay, we probably only have a couple more that we're gonna do. Do you wanna do Which one do you want to do with uh biggest change you're making and then the the meme of the year, maybe? Well yeah, what's yours? What's your biggest change?

1:15:37 All right. So uh after hang out with Jesse, I was like, What's my new Masogee gonna be? And we were both talking about um He w he was uh he he's written a lot of books. But he was like, dude, honestly, he's like, I feel bad. He's like, I don't read that many books. He's like, I I don't even read five books in a year. He's like, I can't believe it. Ever something I really feel like I should change. And I was thinking about this I've thought about it very similarly and I was like, you know what?

1:16:00 All right. And so I was like Took my phone. And I just deleted X, deleted Twitter, deleted uh deleted uh YouTube, deleted Reddit. And I was basically like I think I can give myself back. Ten to fifteen hours a week.

1:16:13 Of time and mind space. And I'm just gonna not consume any social This year. I'm just gonna get off social completely. I'll still Post. I'll have my team like post stuff. Like I can create.

1:16:24 For social. I just can't consume. And I'm gonna swa I I call this the Luka Doncic trade. It's like What if I could get the best thing back? You know, m and which would be like reading some of the best books of all time.

1:16:36 And I'll give up. Some crappy assets. You know, I'll give up. Um, you know, some some a problem riddled assets like, you know, all the all these different social media apps. And so that's my trade I'm making. Uh for this year. Damn, how when did you make the change?

1:16:50 Delete the apps. On the flight back. I was like how's it going? So much too early. I started early. If not, I do uh I used to use social media just like you guys yesterday. I know exactly how you feel. Can't wait to look down upon people who use social media. Imagine how self righteous I can be. That's a great move. Uh I used last year I used the brick. for it or I think it's called Brick or the Brick.

1:17:19 Uh it was really helpful. And I don't actually don't have social media on my phone, um, but I do use it on my computer. So it which is not good either. But that's a good move. Yeah. Um

1:17:30 You already do this. You read like twenty five books a year and I think you're very like I read a lot of books lately. I've been breaking your phone putting your phone in a box. I think you're you're very self actualized in that. Uh whereas I'm still like the the mouse or the rat like Pushing the pedal trying to get a pellet of cocaine out of the thing, you know? Having a second kid has reduced my reading to like close to nothing'cause like I get up extra early and I go to bed and I'm like I have better. I have to go to sleep. No, so I haven't read a full book in months. Um it's only like I I'll get through something and I'm like It's taken me a month to read this thing because I I like I basically have to get up at six and I'm like, at ten, I have to go to sleep. I'm so exhausted. So yeah, having kids has basically ruin a second kid.

1:18:08 has ruined my reading. Um Yeah. What wait, what do we do in habit or change? Change for next year.

1:18:16 I you're not gonna see this, Sean. But lately I've been going a lot harder on Instagram and Hampton is gonna be we have this like YouTube channel called Money Wise and we're gonna rebrand it and call it Hampton. And we just rented a new office down the street from my current office and it has seats for sixty people and a big studio. So I'll be recording this from that new studio. And we're gonna be creating a new YouTube channel and I'm gonna be doing a lot more Instagram content. And I feel like the other day I did a video and I was like recording and I'm like So I talk about this on my page

1:18:45 And I'm like, Oh my God, that's like such like a boomer. I can't believe I just said that. Uh but I I I'm gonna be going a lot harder on um content and it's gonna start with me writing. Are you doing this To grow Hampton, or are you doing this because you're like, I want to be influential or I love creating content. What's what's the what's the true why on this one? Well, I started my career because I enjoyed Trading content. And then when it became a little bit of a job, I disliked it.

1:19:11 uh as much and so I put it away for a while. And then I was like, look, the best way to grow my company is just to do this thing and I started like doing it as a job, and lately I've been doing it, and I'm like, I love this. I love writing and figuring this out. And so um I've been doing this stuff on Instagram now for only about three or four weeks. And I've got millions of views and I'm like, this is actually a fun little uh game to figure out and I enjoy like Can I

1:19:36 Can I grow Hampton via content that isn't slop? And uh I've enjoyed that. So that's what I'm that's my big change uh this year. Another simple change is I've been doing it the past month to prepare for the new year. I get my work out. My workout is finished. At seven AM.

1:19:51 I'm uh done by seven AM. And I know that again, we're doing like self righteous stuff here. But uh I hate getting up early, but I love having gotten up ear, and it's been a huge difference in just my time. Yeah. Saw Hill had this great quote, he's like, I don't know any loser who wakes up at five AM to work out. It's like

1:20:10 It's kinda true, right? Like you ever met a loser who does that? No, like being at the gym at six AM and done at seven AM, you're like it it feels amazing. And it's so hard to do though. Do you think you can Sustain that one? Well, I have to because it's my job to my eldest kid, I get her out of bed at seven thirty. So if I'm gonna exercise, it has to be done by seven or seven ten.

1:20:33 And so I've been doing it now for thirty days and I think I can say n you know, the the the secret is very dumb. The secret is you have to go to bed at ten. I if you're in bed by ten, this is easy. That's that's challenging to do, but you have to be in bed by ten. Right. Every time I wake up at five AM, I'm like

1:20:49 This is amazing. I I get so much done. Like why don't I do this every day? And then an you know, a year later. It happens again. Um, my biggest change is maybe kids. We'll see.

1:21:01 Um I'm feeling nervous about it. Do you guys think are you announcing it? No. Sam, are you gonna ask me if I'm gonna be able to do it? Are you pregnant stuff? No, to be clear, I am not currently pregnant. We have not started trying, but it's on the radar. Do you want us to give you um Tips? Like tips like how to be how to be a pregnant woman. No, not tips. More like What what

1:21:25 What do you feel great about with kids? What makes you like I I don't know, I think there's a lot of especially when you're a woman you have to like actually You know. Grow the kid. And then you have to

1:21:36 Like provide for the kid for the first few years in ways that men don't. It's A little daunting, but I love hearing from both men and women like the best parts of having kids'cause I feel like I don't hear those. Sean, how do you talk about this without saying the most cheesy like advice? That's the problem. It's every cliche, everything you've already heard, but it's actually true. So

1:21:58 Uh, that's why it's hard to you know, it's like you feel lame even saying it. 'Cause it's so and it's so obvious to you when you're in it. That like Yeah there Right.

1:22:08 Whatever I thought life was before this. was just like s you know, pre game material for for the real game. And that's that's kinda how it feels. Um in in many ways, like level of intensity, level of like you know, like love, like all like per a sense of purpose, like But I would say like the good thing about little kids is me and Sam both have little kids. Sam's are a little younger than mine, so he might not even be fully in this phase yet. Yeah, like my eldest is two.

1:22:32 By the time your kids are kind of like three, four, they're talking, they're walking, they're like they have a personality, like they're all it's a whole deal. And um They're just like a little joy machine. So imagine having like a jukebox in your house and every time you go you push the button. And like your mood lifts. And the the reason why is because Kids are experiencing everything for the first time. So you get to experience everything for the first time with them being the excuse for you to like actually indulge it and actually care and and be like your own version of like a little kid.

1:22:59 And then there's also like these incredibly satisfying moments'cause it's like they are You know, like Whatever you feel about like building a company or building a product. The truth is like the ultimate product is this little kid you made. And you get to shape it and you get to see it grow and you get to see like all the amazing things happen. So

1:23:16 Take any of the feelings you've had out of like entrepreneurship or creativity or creating And now like Add some like Three thousand years of biological you know, hard wiring to love all those aspects, you know, at a at a much higher level.

1:23:31 At this stage when I see like Instagram stuff of like the dad coming home from the military and hugging the kid or whatever, like things like that. I cry. I I get so like emotional by it. I was I hold my I I put my eldest to bed at night, um, and like she lays on my my stomach and I'm like I this is you know, like you you ever think about like when your parents die, like how like if they go to heaven or if like you like think about them, like what age will you remember them? And I with my little girl every night I'm like this is perfect. I will remember this for forever, and it's so important to be present.

1:24:05 Uh because this is I was like I when I feel her stomach on my like my chest, I'm like this is peak happiness. I have never felt this good, and I get to experience it every single day. And it's very special, I think that for a lot of men. You don't love your kid right away and it takes a little warming up too. And I'm at the physical now where I'm like

1:24:25 I like I I say this as a joke, but it's sort of real, where I was like when I got married, I felt like I'll kill someone to protect you. And then when I had a kid, it was like I will die for you. And that's a very like weird way to think of it. But it is so

1:24:39 fun to be like or not I don't know fun. It feels so great to just know I'm willing to dedicate everything I can to this thing. And it feels really good to feel that way. And the downside and the upside are both the same. The downside is like, Oh my God, this is a lot of work and I don't have control over my time or my schedule the way I used to. And for people like us, who are like, wow, there's always more projects I wanna do and things I wanna learn and stuff I wanna go do. And all of a sudden it's like Oh, I can't, I don't get to.

1:25:05 You know, like I don't get to do that. It's not my schedule anymore. That's the worst part of it? For me at least, uh like unless like there's like a health issue or whatever, like that's the worst part of it on just like normal life. But also the best part of it is like it's not about you anymore. It's like actually all the problems in your life, all the bad feelings you had was like over like

1:25:22 Just an over importance of the self. And so the thing with kids that's great is like it's about them now. And so you get like the high from the but you don't really get the same amount of lows because Um You don't have that sort of self rumination, self like indulgence.

1:25:37 of like all the little things that bother you in your world because it's really not about you anymore, you know? Totally. Yeah, I had a friend who had a kid recently and I visited her and she was just like Your emotional spectrum is just stretched. But in the most beautiful ways, because you just Yeah, you're responsible for this being when she was like walking out with her kids for the first time, she was like, I've never felt more stressed because I just

1:25:58 Saw all the things that could you know, maybe harm my child. But at the same time, like you're saying, it's more of like a It's like a new set of emotions. It's maybe not as self centered. It's it's just like a more interesting

1:26:10 aspect of life that like if you don't have kids, you're never going to get to experience. Is my sense. I haven't had them, but like that's I I find that's a good way of putting it. Like, oh there's like three new colors you didn't know about. There's like it's like a whole other thing you get to see. And I hate saying that. I agree with you. I hate saying that because when people don't have children it's like it's an

1:26:29 Not a reversible decision. So I don't ever want to make someone feel bad and You know, so I don't love talking about that. But um I do feel like it's sort of like the first time I've ever felt like my my purpose in life has is being fulfilled. Like you think that way about work sometimes and then and then we had it and I don't I hate Being high and mighty and shit.

1:26:48 Uh but you like have a kid and you're like Oh, this is like this is the like'cause This is why I've tried to impress a girl. And so she would like me and then I could reproduce with her and now I have this thing and it's like I am now connected to the twenty, fifty billion people before me, and it feels kinda special. It feels very strange, but it's special. Yeah. It is hard to talk about because it's just you feel

1:27:09 You feel lame and cheesy and you don't wanna like it's just your personal experience. You don't wanna influence others. But like when you ask, you're like uh like I think I wanna I'm kind of on the fence, I wanna hear about it, then like okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Permission to be to permission to cheese. Well, we'll end on a light note, we have favorite tweet. Slash meme of the year. What do you have? Let's start with Steph. Guys, mine is boring, but I just loved the May I Meet You meme.

1:27:33 It was so good. It was so good. Like what is this activist investor Doing given dating advice and just the Just the versatile. You as a woman who's also in business attack.

1:27:46 You get on Twitter, you see this happening. What was going through your mind? I thought it was truly hilarious because I think Also I don't know, like as a woman, there's

1:27:57 So many times when like men think that they know what women want. And like I'm sure Bill Ackman is a catch. Like I'm sure he's also like six plus feet, right? Like he's Got a bunch of money and like you know, he's going up to these women saying like May I meet you? And he's gathering that that is what is You know, the defining action that

1:28:21 The women are are liking. Steph, so you saw that advice. What would your advice have been? If Bill Ackman he meant well, right? He was like I heard that it's tough out there for young guys. Here's a little bit of advice. If if May I Meet You was wrong, what's the right advice? I feel like well, I mean, he's right that you just gotta approach a girl, right?'Cause girls like confidence. But I also think girls like

1:28:42 Humor. And Like you knowing You being authentic and so even just going up to a girl and just being like Hey

1:28:51 Thank you I'm Really nervous. But like I gotta talk to you. This is like not the best pickup line, but I just feel like you just walking up to a girl is like what probably nine out of ten.

1:29:02 Guys will not do. If you happen to say may I meet you, it's probably fine. But I don't know. Just be be natural. I forgot what it is, but Lil Dickey has one that I that's great. I wish I

1:29:14 I wish I had this back when I was single, it would have helped me, but he's like He's like, Oh, I have the perfect pickup line. He would go up to a woman and he'd be like What's your What's your availability as far as being hit on right now? He's like she would laugh and she would know my intentions and then like I gave her it out and I gave her it in. And I like, you know, he's like he's like it works every time.

1:29:35 Do you remember when you guys uh Sean or whoever um was screen sharing, I just sent one an example of one, but the the best content on social that I'm following this year. Do you remember Sean when we talked about cinematic content? I think we talked about um creator camp. Is that what we talked about? Yeah. So Like here's just one example of a podcast, but I can well I'll send you a few more examples, but that's just one example of a podcast. Uh Who is this, Mark Brazil? Have you guys have you seen this guy's podcast? I've seen I've seen this because it it stands out, right? Oh my god, it stands out. Hostage negotiation situation. And so we've talked about um

1:30:07 cinematic content. So we talked about this company called Trade of Camp and I'm noticing that like if you guys follow like these there's a bunch of twenty two, twenty-three, twenty-four, twenty-five year old kids making like content that is not just like the talking head videos and it's beautiful and it's starting to transfer over into like podcasting, which is you know, normally they don't do this. And like Chris Williamson has done this with his sets for Matthew McConahy, and I'm noticing that this type of cinematic content where it's like a beautiful background and it's not just I don't know. It's way more popular and I love it. I love the stuff. I'm loving internet content at the moment because of this trend.

1:30:45 So not a treat or a meme. You said Yeah, you're right. You did say meme of the year. But I I think it's cool and you're right. Dude, I don't know. You pay attention to memes. I don't pay attention to memes. Anything's a meme these days, guys. But it's always like a meme is not like a long lasting thing. It's just like whatever was like the Drake video like the Drake video or like

1:31:08 All the trends on Instagram that like, yeah, it's cool for a week and I love it. And then it's like move on. I'll give you uh I'll give you two. The first one I'll give you a funny one first. All right, can you put that put it by a funny one? Uh this one's just It wasn't the most funny thing, but I gotta say, it's affected every day of my life. So the tweet is. A reminder.

1:31:26 That tapping your credit card. Is a spiritually passive and feminine behavior that me and men should behave via confident and a penetrative thrust into the chip reader. And I read this, I laugh, and now every time I pay for something, I can't help but think about this. And I've been thrusting, my friends. I've been thrusting. You gotta walk around with that wad of cash. That's the most manly thing you can do.

1:31:49 John Morgan. You do need a lot. That would be John Morgan right there. You know what I mean? Well I haven't pulling out a while. Dude, just that's how you pick up girls. Just count your bills. Just in the corner. My father in law did that. He had like a he had a thousand dollars in twenties.

1:32:07 And it was in a and one one time he had it in a rubber band. And I was like I'm in. So like when I bring a wallet, I definitely like to have five hundred dollars or a thousand dollars of like tens and twenties that it's just Looks weird in the pocket though.

1:32:21 They know. They know. And then I have a wholesome tweet and this is from uh Jay Yang, young young guy. J Yang, who said something very wise.

1:32:35 Uh Is that the You Could Just Do Things guy? He's the you could just do things guy and he said Here's the hill I'm willing to die on. He says real success. And I thought wow, that was actually Really profound. And I think I'm gonna steal that as like

1:32:51 What's the point of all this kind of like, well, what is the North Star as far as success goes? And I was like, I think that's the best metric. Can I say something that I've noticed, Sean, with you and me. Is and I'm wondering if this is true for everyone or a lot of people. So inspirational, motivational, cheesy content. There's like

1:33:08 It it's I don't know if it's called a bell curve. It's like an upside down bell. Well where you're in the middle curve. Yes, you're in the middle of your or you're in the beginning of your career and you use it like crazy. So I read so many self help books. I would listen to Tony Robbins audiobooks constantly. Then You start getting in the thick of it and you're like, I just gotta get this thing done. I gotta spend five or ten years doing it. Then you get past that and you're a little bit on Matthew's hierarchy highest hierarchy of needs. And

1:33:32 It's so back. I listened to so many like Jordan Peterson or Hal Alex Ramosi like compilation clips where it's just like Yelling at me. Or like reading inspirational stuff. Are you guys doing that same thing right now? Love me a good quote. Love me a good little

1:33:49 Like I don't know. Give me some italics. I need some italics in my life. You know, that's how I feel. I love a good quote. I've actually realized that. Most smart people. Uh like look down upon

1:34:02 Classic quotes or Cliches or motivation or inspiration. Good. More for me. More for me.

1:34:08 I'm I'm all in on that. That is the the index funds of uh of content for me. I I put me in. I want it all. Same. I'm on board with you. You're the you guys are into live, love, love. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

1:34:21 I was gonna say that. This is the live, laugh, love version. But you know what, Steph, there's a reason why millions of of of basic Oklahoma and Missouri women have this on their on their walls. Oh I know. I know. I'm just two years away. I see it coming. Yeah. Are you Steph, are you like I don't like fortune cookie stuff right now, you're like I want Yeah, I spent years reading personal development books and now I'm at that point where I'm like, I know it all. I read a new personal development book. I've seen it before. But I know, I hear what you're saying. In a few years it's gonna come back and I'm gonna be like these people were so wise.

1:34:54 Looks deaf. I'm gonna be I'm gonna be patronizing to you. You're young. You'll figure it out. You'll get that. I remember when I felt that way. Two years older than me? Something like that? You'll get there.

1:35:07 You'll understand once you have some few kids stuff. It's now stuck? And then when you have one kid And then when you have one kid. W when you have one kid we're gonna say

1:35:19 That's that's the most patronizing thing. While somebody's in in like in the deep. Sean's got a gaggle. I got three. You going for more? So I get to do it to Sam. Sam's got two, so I'm like, Oh, two.

1:35:32 I don't know. Oh, that must be nice. I'm not gonna blow up her spot. I'll let you decide, Sean, but Sean's wife On Instagram. Is a great follow right now. She does some wild elf on the shelf stuff and it is a great f find. Me and Sarah will like be like look at what she did today. It's incredible.

1:35:51 We went to like a kids school performance today and this mom came over to her. And she was like, I just gotta say I live for your story right now. She's like every day I'm checking when is she gonna post it? She's like I'm not gonna do any of that stuff. But

1:36:06 I love that you do it. And I was like, Oh God, you never want to be in that position. The other day she took a huge wall, like imagine a one bedroom wall. And using post it notes, I think they're post it notes, she outlined the Grinch. So imagine the Grinch's face. But the art is like post it notes. That is so sick.

1:36:24 It's it was like a monet. It's still up. We're not taking that down. Yeah, I don't think you can. That looks like I like I like she must have like used string to like put the like make like the the grid. Right. It like it looks like a pretty like intense project. It was hilarious'cause it's the the fur there's the only one of the season I did with her.

1:36:41 'cause like such a big one to do. And um We needed some like bonding time and so I was like, Okay, let's do this, but she's a perfectionist. And is good like good at things and I'm a good enough is good enough kinda guy. And so It was just an awful experience for both of us to try to do that together.'Cause she's trying to like

1:37:00 Create a grid. If something was off to go back to the game, you can't get together furniture with your girlfriend. I'm like they're four years old, they're not gonna know. They can't even see this high. Um so like it's like they will never know that there was this like one millimeter gap. And uh she had to fix it. It she must have w listened to the Will Gadera pie that I did.

1:37:21 That was her inspirable image. Wait, I wanna hear you guys we didn't do Best New Habit. Did you guys have a good one for that one? I also partially just want to brag. What is your your runner now, Steph? We get a you did this year? Yes, we missed that one. You're you're a runner and you're a fabric. Sam's like we we missed it intentionally. No, I have I think you're running you've been running really I I assume you're gonna say running, right?'Cause your times are actually incredibly fast.

1:37:50 Yes. What am I running all these miles for? No, yeah. My best Life hack slash new habit, that was the category was running. And I just wanted to say That I started running. About

1:38:05 Fourteen to sixteen months ago. And I've run two marathons and I'm mentioning it because I feel like Everyone runs now, but also there's a Ton of people that have

1:38:17 Never done'cause they They think it sucks. And it's awesome. And I think anyone can like get to the point where they're running marathons. Running three miles a day. That's how I started.

1:38:26 Um And yeah, I feel pretty good about it. What was your uh wasn't your time like sub eight minute miles? Yeah, I just ran my second marathon uh three thirty. So just under eight. That's incredible. Sean, that's fast. Why

1:38:39 Yeah. Yeah, just said it there. Why do people do this? Why do all of you who are doing this do this do how I feel running my thoughts. It is awesome. It it is awesome. Like I I like to run. I'm horrible at it. I get more joy out of running than any type of weightlifting or any other exercise. I think that it's less good for you than the other stuff, but it's the most enjoyable when it hits. It's'cause you can I mean, you can do this with weight lift lifting, but you can measure your progress so clearly.

1:39:09 And you can also progress really quickly. I think compared to other Sports or Or I think that's it. Mustard.

1:39:17 pickles, running things I don't like. Other people seem to love. I I just can't do it. I don't know, man. Twenty minutes into like a fifty minute run, like you go into like a little bit of a cave and it is like a special It is kinda special. It is cool. You should try it. Here's my pitch. Everyone talks about this running high. Don't chase the running high'cause it's far away.

1:39:38 Think about You do you like walking? Love walking. Huge water. So the feeling you get when you're walking.

1:39:45 is not I can't wait for this to end. It's like I'm outside. Look at this beautiful thing. My body feels good. There is A spectrum, not like a binary difference between walking and running. Right. So people talk about them like they're two separate things. But there is some version of running, it might be really slow right now, where you feel like you're walking.

1:40:05 And so If you start there, which is not Where we're taught to start. And you just run at that pace. For a mile a day and then two miles a day and then

1:40:15 You know, do that for a while. You will. Get to a point where your body you know, becomes more efficient and over time you're gonna be running ten minute miles. At that walking feeling pace.

1:40:27 And you're gonna love running. I'm telling you. Okay. Nice try.

1:40:34 Yeah. The jury will consider what you said and uh And he might be out for a flight, I don't know. Guilty. Did you have a habit you wanted to do or no? No, waking up early. Alright, well Steph, I hope um You got that in. That's great. All right, guys. Yeah. God bless America. God bless this podcast. Sean.

1:40:56 Good uh good year. Oh, the one in the Bloods Brother. You guys didn't even I can't think what does it say. I'm on a small screen. Um backwards. It just noodles. That's a wrap. I feel like I could rule the world and no way.

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