#690: The Random Show, Rare Drinking Edition — Affordable Luxuries, Brain Stimulation, Sampling the Future (and Some Previews), Recharging with Creative Experiments, Tokenizing Humans with a Bonding Curve, Poetry for People Who Hate Poetry, and Much More

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4:19 At this altitude, I can run flat out for a half mile before my hands start shaking. And I'll see you personally. No, it is seen. A cybernetic organism, living tissue over metal empty. Nice to see ya.

4:44 Tim Tim. Pleasure. Ladies and gentlemen. As you may have surmised.

4:50 Every opportunity to use surmise I will take. This is another episode of the Tim Ferris show, and it is also another episode of The Random Show. Yeah. With my first ever podcast guest. And my perpetual friend.

5:03 Besty numero Uno. Kevin Rose. Worst show ever, but we did it. You gotta start with the rough draft. You gotta start with a rough draft. I was like, Tim, you should not ask your guest that. Yeah. You're like, Oh, it's one of those shows. And then I was like, Oh my God, I thought this was gonna be a layup.

5:27 With kid gloves, but Kevin's busting my balls in episode one. But it was good. It worked out. We got a little hammed in that one, but it was fun. Got a little hammed. Speaking of ham. What do you have? Over there. We're having a drink.

5:38 Yeah, we have virtual shears. Yeah, cheers to you. Let this be known to the audience and to the world that this was the first time I didn't want to drink and Tim pressured me into drinking on my feet the other way around. I'd pressure you. All right, just to replay the tape here. I said, Do you have a drink? And you're like, No. And I was like, but I have a drink. You're the one who's always busting my balls about having a drink. And then they do said it's three PM and I said, but it's a Friday. And you're like You don't really need to say Friday, you can just say drinks and then you walked off and got a drink. So I wouldn't say I'm not sure if pressure was unless you yeah It wasn't really twisting an arm, was it? It was more just like a slight the change of wind. It was like a fingertip to the lips kind of pressure. Yeah, exactly. Say no more.

6:24 Say before sleep. Go get a beverage. So We have a lot to talk about. It seems like you got a big list. I have a big list. Yeah. What are you drinking by the way? We we did we didn't talk about that we have. We didn't even talk about it. Well, what do you have? I just have a sh some shitty champagne. Oh, okay, yeah. This is I'm gonna have to pronounce this because I don't speak French.

6:43 Uh, much like you might say versales, Kentucky. There is a Versailles Kentucky. This is French. I don't speak French, but you got this. It's a Bendel. B A and D O L appellation bundle control A twenty twenty one. Then there's Domain Tampier at the top. And then this Love that Domain Tampier. Domanie Domani Tempier was um

7:07 recommended to me, actually bought for me by a friend. I'll call him Jay. Not to dox him, he's not Jay-Z, but uh good friend of mine. And it's fantastic. It's really nice. I put some ice in it just to be a heathen. And to Harken back to the days of old when I was in Argentina, where they drank a lot of wine with ice and I got into it. And uh cheers, Kevin. Oh cheese. You know, actually I've been doing ice in in my wine as well.

7:34 Dari has been giving me shit about it, my wife. And I said, you know what, it's hydrating at the same time. Get a little extra w water in there. And and that was my rationale. That said, I don't know if you looked up the price of that bottle, but you might be doing it a severe disservice by adding Cubes to it. I don't know if it's a inexpensive bottle or'cause sometimes that can be a big faux pas. You know, I'm okay with I'm not going to be able to do it. Watch it's like a four hundred dollar bottle splitting big cubes of ice.

8:00 My whole life is Just a series of faux pas, my uh What would that be? Faus pause? Faus pause. Paul, you know, okay, this is very unclear. It says Price twenty five dollars and forty seven cents to six hundred and seventy two dollars. So somewhere in that range. I don't know. It looks like fifty five dollars.

8:19 Okay. I do think it may be somewhat challenging. To get but it's not And over the top. At the end of the day, if you're enjoying it with some ice, like Godspeed, right?

8:30 You know Yeah, we could go on a whole while. Speaking of good speed. Let's speak of Godspeed. Can I start with my first thing to talk about? Oh I can't wait to see this segue. Yes, please. Okay, so

8:42 We got a lot to talk about. One of the things that I would say we are known for at the random show is just random shit. And it's just like, okay, we don't see each other for three, four months. What have we stumbled into that's stupid, that's fun, that's creative, that's whatever, fill in the blank. And it's all kinds of stuff. One of the things that you're quite good at, Tim, that I really enjoy as part of the random show that we do, is you're always talking about How can I get the most value and satisfaction out of something that is low dollar value? Meaning like how you typically phrase it? Yeah, like affordable luxuries. Like how can you affordable luxuries. Something like that, right?

9:19 Right, right. That sounds right. So there is a the most I would argue Outside of like a standard Rolex day date. The most popular watch in the world.

9:33 For watch nerds. I'd say probably recognizable. watch would be the speed master. Which is the watch that was worn to the moon. Mm-hmm.

9:42 And it's an Omega Speedmaster. The original caliber that went to the moon, I think was a three twenty one. gets really geeky. The very first Speedmaster that you can buy, like the first very release is, you know, now worth hundreds of thousands of dollars for a representation of a speed master. Modern day speed masters from Omega You can still buy'em. They are, you know, let's call it I have to check the price, but let's call it three and a half, four thousand dollars somewhere around there, maybe a touch more. I haven't looked in a while. That said.

10:11 They did a collaboration. Omega did with Swatch. And at first glance you think like swatch like there's no way like I what why would I want but The actual collaboration looks amazing. Like it looks just like the Speedmaster. It looks identical. Minus the Right, exactly. Super, super similar.

10:33 Mm-hmm. It's got the chronograph. It's made out of the ceramic. That is super durable. They just crushed it and they made them in a whole variety of different colors. And they they put a different plan at the bottom of of each one. So this one is Saturn right here, this this brown uh version. They're impossible to get and you have to buy them in the store. You can get them on eBay.

10:53 But if you go into the stores, they actually have a limit to the supply they they kinda dole out each day. What's the price range? Or the cost. Two hundred and fifty or two hundred and ninety dollars, something like that. So definitely cheaper than a hundred thousand dollars and cheaper than five thousand dollars. And you get the exact look of the Speedmaster. Yeah. And it's it's so it's such a fun watch. It's a really iconic. It's a super iconic watch. Yeah. So if you're like

11:19 Always been Speedmaster curious or wanna have one of the most iconic looks in terms of watches. No, I I'm serious. Well that's why we went from Godspeed to to here. You can see the jump. I see it. It it's it's it's just a cool watch and you gotta see all the different colors. Man, so they call it the the moon swatch. Instead of the moon watch.

11:39 So it's the Mirse Watch from Speedmaster. And swatch collaboration. Yeah, just always trying to find something that is You know, holidays are not that far off. If you have a watch lover or uh someone in your life that you want to do a gift to, great gifts as well. So It's kind of fun.

11:53 And for folks who may not know also, the Swatch Group is the world's largest watch company. Employs about thirty six thousand people in fifty countries, they own a whole line. Including Omega. Yes.

12:07 That's why this happened. There you yeah, exactly. So there you go. Yeah. And You have to imagine the people at Omega were pissed. Uh I just knowing so much about this industry. They might. They might have been like, We decline your suggestion and then the parent company was like, No, this isn't a suggestion. Right. This is what we're doing. Exactly. Like this is actually happening. And I will say that and you know this, I don't

12:31 generally wear any kinda jewelry or watches or anything. Very, very little adornment, but I was gift it as a very uh beautiful, thoughtful gift, a Speedmaster. By a friend of mine.

12:45 And It is a very it feels good to wear This watch. And also if you want to it's kinda like guys who have really good mustache or beard game. Like they think the women are going to be into it and then they just constantly get compliments from guys. That will also happen if you're wearing one of these things. Oh, a hundred percent. And uh the fact that you can get that swatch for those people who are not watching.

13:07 The video, that collaboration, it looks just Like the speed pro. I mean it It really does. Well one thing that that's worth mentioning there on this watch that for those that want to know kind of like the two second geeky backstory.

13:20 Із Ніл Амстли. to the moon, but used the chronograph feature to time the propulsion and and jet releases to land on the moon. Talk about like he had to use a divine It's like there isn't computers to do this. A mechanical device. A mechanical device on his wrist. And so this that's why this watch is like legit it's a real true utilitarian, like awesome tool. So it's pretty awesome.

13:49 Yeah, you can imagine if there were some wrist bound computer used for like the first human landing on another planet. Yeah. And then that was made available in limited supply. for civilians to buy what that would hold in terms of meaning.

14:07 Did you hear about the sealed first iPhone went for over a hundred thousand dollars at auction? No, I did not. Ha ha ha. And I mean that was just a few years ago. That's wild.

14:18 I didn't say that. Now you mentioned one thing though, I'm curious about. You said that you can't find it on eBay. How does a company pull that off? I'm sorry, you can find it on eBay. Oh, you can. Yeah, that is the place you have to either go in store. Like to an ac actual uh Swatch store or on eBay, the Zoomly too. I got it. You can get it used or if you want it new, you have to go to the store. Right. Like you can't go to Swatch dot com and buy it directly from the site. They won't ship it to you. What else you got?

14:44 I got a lot. Yeah, yeah, bring another one on and then I'll I'll I'll choose an appropriate transition from from one of them. I'll bring a a quickie and then I've got some really hard hitters after that. The quickie is that I'm relaunching my own. You love quickies. I'm relaunching my podcast. I'm I'm actually doing it and getting back in the game. Which podcast are we talking about? So

15:06 I had the Kevin Rose show from back in the day. I shut it down for maybe it's been about a year and a half, two years ago. And I've missed it. I've missed a lot of kind of what I was doing there, but also I want to kind of modify it in a few different ways.

15:22 Now this is separate from unless I'm already I've had A third of a glass of wine, so maybe I'm just hallucinating already, but foundation. The foundation and Kevin Rose show kind of merged into one. So it's still one feed. The foundation was all about interviewing entrepreneurs. Talking about their entrepreneurial kind of journey. Trials, tribulations, things of that nature.

15:41 Yeah, speaking of uh other planets, you did have Elon on at one point. Back in the day. Yeah, so that's actually what kinda one I wanna get back to where When I think about some of the value that I was able to add To my listeners, it was around and something that I think I've

15:57 personally been good at is identifying trends early on and talking about them before anyone else. Yeah, you are just to underscore that, you are undeniably one of the best in the world. I've ever seen event. I appreciate that. It's true. I've come from over and over and over and over and over again. Yeah. It's funny incredible. Someone has a clip of me mentioning Ethereum for the first time on your show. Have you seen that?

16:22 Yes. And we did a random zone. It was like nineteen eighty five. It was way back. I'm like, let me tell you about it in Celtic. Totally. Yeah. Getting back to that, like just really wanting to highlight and expose people to that early beta. Maybe I think of like early software, right? And so the the tentative working title is called beta, but it's gonna be like Show off.

16:45 things as early as possible that have potentially a lot of upside for the user. So advancements in AI You know, when I had Elon on the show back in the day, Tesla stock was a dollar ninety. I looked up the price. Of when he actually came on the show. Holy shit. Which is crazy. So, you know, it's gonna be a variety of shows gonna cover tech, investing, you know, health. And then I think also important to throw in there is this kind of mental work life balance that is so important to me these days where

17:11 Yes, investing is great. Yes, making money is great, but It's not gonna bring you happiness unless you can figure out the shit in your head. So just making sure that's a component to it as well. So Anyway, don't have anything to announce, but I would tell people if by the time this show comes out, if you just go to kevinrose.com You'll see a link to the podcast there. Have fun.

17:29 And I'm gonna fire it back up. Do you have any teasers for likely or possible Guests. Could be names, could be just profiles. I'm gonna go. It's a great question. I had sent Elon an email a while ago, and he said he had a lot of fun on my first show and was game to

17:49 Do it again. That was a while ago, but I gotta go and and hit him back up. I we'll definitely wanna have Elon back on. That's gonna be a good one. But I would say, you know, it's gonna there's three or four But uh nobody is confirmed. I really want to kick it off with a good banger to to begin. So T V D.

18:05 D B D. Well let me tell you about Something exciting on my side, which is really just celebration at this point of enthusiasm for me. It's not a launch or anything like that at this point, but you don't know about this. Nobody knows about this really, which is

18:24 I recently, last week, did a I guess it was a four day Creative sprint. In the middle of nowhere, at this rustic retreat. With Two writers and three concept artists who are some of the best in the world, who have done some of the best known

18:44 Work for D for Magic the Gathering and we worked on cock punch stuff. Believe it or not. We actually spent that entire time coming up with scenarios characters, adventures, concept sketches, artwork. I don't wanna spoil the surprise, but made some significant tweaks to the nature of that realm.

19:07 that I think are very, very, very compelling. And got Tons and tons of artwork. And It's spectacular. Some of the work is just outrageously, outrageously good. What these guys can do.

19:20 In a handful of hours. It boggles my mind. It is just beyond my comprehension. It's really it as if from the writing perspective, if someone sat down and like in three hours they just banged out. Three thousand perfect words.

19:35 Like what? How is that humanly possible? Like I saw that with these artists. They were so well oiled, so professional, and also had very different styles, which was super fun. So I could watch them also feeding off one another, even though they were working on different aspects. different greater houses and so on. And

19:53 For me, part of the celebration is Realizing that Even though it was my first go around, my first rodeo. And I didn't quite know what I was doing, of course. It was an experiment and collaboration because I've been such a solo act. I've been such a

20:08 Soloist when it comes to large creative projects. having an opportunity to work with Same not just one three D artist, which I did, Walter. for say the initial three dimensional, you know, three D blender character designs.

20:24 But to work with an entire group and to see if I can actually Interact or co manage that process in some way. was very reassuring. I think I can do it. I think I I think that Even if I'm not putting pen to paper

20:38 Or stylists to Metablet in some fashion. I think the Past that I have. and the experience that I have with Liner.

20:49 And more recently with painting and so on. really helps me to give better feedback. Two artists and to notice details and I'm very excited about it. So I mean there's a few things I want to comment on here. One

21:03 It's awesome to see and it's so apparent to me now that You know, you launch this as a NFT project. And N F are having a a bad time right now. Yes. It's a bloody market out there. All the proceeds went to nonprofit. Yeah. Royalties are dead. So the idea that you're making any further further money on this via NFTs is is not the case. Basically zero. Yep. And so you're you're doing this for the love of the game, which I love to see, which is awesome. And the second and more important thing, having known you for a long, long time is I've never seen you I've I've seen you struggle

21:40 With giving up a little bit of creative control. Right. Like delegation. I'll give you some old Tim Fair stories. Every time Tim would write a new book. I'd be like to Tim. Let me get a let's get a little early copy. Let me get a little chapter. Let me see what you're working on. What do you what hacks are you doing? What blah blah.

21:56 You wouldn't share that shit with Anybody. Do like so secretive. You'd like, how do I encrypt my hard drive? Like you would like try and lock down all your shit. But to see you move into this world of more of creative director is is awesome. Has that been a challenge for you? Am I am I articulating that correctly though? You are. Yeah, you're definitely articulating it correctly. I mean I think as we were talking about before we start recording, like we b we both have some maybe daddy trust issues or whatever that we've needed to work through on a lot of fronts. And

22:27 It's definitely the case that that's true. I will say that There are a few decisions that were super key in Facilitating sort of Lubricing. If you will. The

22:41 possibility of me being a acting in a more creative director role. The first was And it's Easy to Miss.

22:52 The Importance of this with the absurdity of the name of the project. Cock Punch, the legend of Cock Punch. People should check out the trailer at the very least on the podcast episode one. It's so good. Some amazing voice actors involved. And The key there by using that name, and this was very deliberate. And by pursuing it the way I pursued it and also giving the funds to the Si Found, my foundation, S A I S E I Foundation.org for people who want to see the projects I'm involved with.

23:25 What that did is it basically made fixating on money Kind of silly in the sense that it doesn't go to my pocket, it's going to the foundation, which is important. But It's not going to directly improve the quality of my life in any way.

23:43 Secondly, the fact that It was given such an absurd slash hilarious Title. allowed me not to take it too seriously or be too precious or protective of it. And that is what opened the door to this collaboration. My hope is that by

24:02 Testing this with something like Cockpunch that I will then be able to translate it to things that I might be inclined to be more protective with. And uh There have been so many benefits to this. And

24:15 I'll name a few, or I'll at least lead with one, which is The energy that this has generated has been Unbelievable. It's been like a Power plant. for everything else that I'm doing.

24:27 So it's charging my batteries so effectively. That I've been able to engage much more potently with everything else. Hm.

24:37 This is creative energy kinda s is from the creativity of it all. Creative energy. Creative energy. So so for instance, I mean the s sort of admin paper cutty Stuff. that is so easy to succumb to as a sort of death by a thousand paper cuts. Like look, you need to do your taxes. There are things you need to do that you don't really want to do. That Deplete.

25:01 At least in my case, kinda deplete my batteries. And if you don't have something on the other side of the ledger to recharge those batteries. You can end up being really fatigued. You just don't have extra calories to allocate to A lot of things. And

25:17 This silly project, which has achieved a lot of serious things, right? I mean, like millions of dollars have gone to the foundation, or at least two million bucks, and there's more that's gonna go, because I'm going to be uh soon I'll be donating all the secondary Royalty. revenue also to the foundation. I mean, it's done a lot of good in terms of supporting early stage science at all sorts of top universities and journalism fellowships at UC Berkeley and so on.

25:41 But Check this out. This will be another connection, and that is I literally And w we'll see if I can keep this in or not. But I need to talk to the other thing. Yeah. I just signed my first ever writing collaboration agreement.

26:00 to work on my first book in six years. with another person. I've never done that before in my life. Like that's my baby. Is this fiction? Is this gonna be This is nonfiction. It'll be sort of old school Tim Ferris in a sense because it'll be

26:15 What I'm probably best at and most known for, but it will be done with an hour to the week. Inflation, baby. Inflation. It's a song. It's not gonna be the five hour work week. You know what's funny is you could release that and people will be like oh shit, he figured out something new and it'd be like a bestseller. The first Through fourth hour all about work and the fifth hour is all about pleasure. Here we go, folks. Exactly. Epicurean two point oh. So I I am

26:47 beyond excited about this because this is now right segueing from Putting my teeth on some collaboration with this thing called Cock Punch. But now I've segue to Май Actual Bailiwick right down the middle with

27:05 Hardcore non fiction. super tactical nonfiction, and I'm going to work with someone else. And I don't think there's any chance I would have been able to do that had I not Deliberately created something that I didn't feel too protective or precious about. Yeah. So I'm fucking stoked, man. I'm really excited.

27:25 Let me ask you a question. How do you decide to as a general tip for the audience out there, how and when do you decide to outsource things to other people that you would consider to be representative of yourself or your brand or in some way could be potentially damaging. Like I think about This has been a hard one for me because anytime an app ships or anytime anything happens that is associated with a company that I have started. If there's something breaks or it's not done the correct way.

27:58 It's always like, Oh, Kevin, why didn't you catch this? Blah blah and I'm like I get it. That's what other people say to you, or that's what you say to you. Both. Right. So they they somehow think I'm doing everything, right? And so they'll be like, It's impossible that you didn't catch this. And I'm like, I didn't see it before it went out, you know? And so I'm wondering I'm wondering when you Because your brand is so important to protect.

28:19 Who has Final Edit on your podcast? Like how did you trust them with that, right? Because like totally this is a great you'd have to listen to every single podcast you ever did in great detail and We've never talked about this. This is fun. I've never talked about this publicly. So Yeah. I am slow to give up the reins. I'm very slow. And I'm slow to trust in general, as you know. And

28:41 There's some upside to that. There's there are also a bunch of downsides. But Love it or hate it, that is where we are. I'm very hyper vigilant in that way. In the case of the podcast.

28:52 First step. after each podcast is recorded. Before I even send my edit notes or anything like that. is the podcast is transcribed. And there's some great tools out there that can interact with transcripts that we have also tested and used in the past, like descript. We use the script too, yeah. Right, which is really helpful for people who don't know. It allows you to say strip out all the ums and ahs and filler words automatically.

29:18 And you make text edits that then get translated into audio edits. It's very interesting. I also use professional sound editors and so on. But step one for all of that is getting The audio transcribed. So we get the audio transcribed. And At this point I have Something like seven hundred episodes. Close to seven hundred episodes.

29:40 Which for those who are wondering is Pretty crazy. Next April Think it's next April is gonna be 10 years of the podcast. Can you fucking believe that? It's crazy. Ten years, one point four episodes on average per week. for ten years. Damn. Did you have hair when we started? I can't even remember, I don't think. I probably had a little more hair. My hair probably looks like my beard right now. So it wasn't much. It wasn't grey hair. I didn't have gray hair. Yeah, I wasn't going to be any on any of those poster boards where they show you all the haircuts that are possible at the barber. It's very old school, right? Oh, I want the flat top. I want that one. I wouldn't have been on any of those, but

30:15 I probably had a little more hair. I was probably faking it. I was I think I was probably at the last the 11th hour of my white knuckling. I probably had some cheesy faux hawk because that's all that was left and I was trying to cover up bald spots. Something like that. In any case. The point I was gonna make is that My current general manager of the podcast, who's really the COO of editorial.

30:39 has been working for me for seven or eight years. We've been working together a long time. Over that period of time, we've now done A few hundred episodes together. Minimum.

30:50 And I started with making edits myself in a Google Doc. And then we would go back and forth. And over time I got to the point where I would ask him to suggest edits and then I would go through

31:06 and provide refinements and feedback. And I am at the point now where we probably have ninety five percent overlap. Which is good enough. And

31:17 I therefore feel very comfortable. With letting him make The vast majority. Oh decisions. How long did that take you? So was that like a year process? Yeah, at least a year. Because you're really training someone to

31:32 Do two things. One is to understand how you think well enough my decision making process so that they can step into the shoes or into the mind of Tim Ferris to look at a transcript. The second is to be the best version of their editorial selves for using judgment. And it's the combination that works really well. So I would say it took me probably

32:00 In his case, his responsibilities expanded dramatically. as we work together over time. But I would say since he has effectively run the operation side of the podcast. Probably two.

32:14 A year and a half to two years is what I would say. And I think it can be done much more quickly. for people who Really focus on it.

32:26 And who don't have the trust issues that I have. If you have a high enough volume of podcasts Which I have direct. I used to do say at times six, seven episodes a a month because you have all of these other interview based podcasts that are doing

32:41 Four or five a week. And I felt like that it was a trend that I should uh not a trend I should follow, but That was certainly in my economic best interest to publish more episodes and people were consuming them, but I started to drag my feet and realized it was starting to feel like a J O B in the sense that I I really was not looking forward to my conversations after the fourth or fifth or sixth of a month. So I dialed back deliberately so that I would still enjoy what I was doing. What that meant though is that you're getting fewer iterations or you're getting fewer at bat practices with the person you're trying to train to be a world class editor. And I think you could do it if you had decent volume.

33:26 You could probably do it in three months. Especially, for instance, one thing that I could have done I just didn't think of it and I didn't have really the bandwidth. I'm just juggling a lot and it wasn't my absolute top priority. You don't have to use new audio.

33:40 I could have said. Let's take The raw audio from twenty episodes that were published before. Or if you have a friend who's a podcaster, you could have said, Give me twenty of your episodes.

33:52 And then have him run through it and then I would run through it. And boom, before you know it, if the person is reasonably adaptive. And perceptive. They'll figure it out. So I would say three to six months, but I'm at a point now where it's it's at least 95% overlap.

34:09 And if there's something that's very nuanced that I feel strongly about, I will still make that edit myself. And some of it is really, really, really, really nuanced. Let's just say a guest. gives a long answer, in the middle of that answer, they say something that's factually incorrect. And for my audience and also for the guests themselves, I want to remove that. But if I remove it.

34:33 Perhaps that removes a bunch of important context. So I may need to take something from elsewhere in the conversation and slot it in or create a hybrid sort of Frankenstein for it to make sense or ask them to do a pickup. meaning record additional audio to slot in somewhere, that is at a level of complexity and also like Tim Ferris' subjective whim that I will often step in to try to make some of those decisions, but my right hand makes a lot of the decisions on its own. Now.

35:03 And it's incredible. It's amazing. So that's been the process. And there is, I will say, to Put out A really good finished episode. Oftentimes there is a fuck ton of work. that happens behind the scenes that

35:18 If we do our jobs correctly. Are completely invisible. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

35:24 Yeah. Yeah, for me it's a obviously a different can of worms than running a startup in a in a business, but I think of it kind of through this lens where One a hundred percent not even taking shortcuts when it comes to hiring. Just uh hiring absolute A plus players or what you believe to be A plus players from day one.

35:42 I really when I was working at Google and you walk in the door and you get to see Who you're surrounded and who your peers are it's very apparent that there's a reason why their hiring process is so long and so Little bit tedious, but just it's quite the complex Several hurdles that you have to get over before you actually get in the door.

35:59 And I I understand why those hurdles are so high now. Because once you get in, they give you the kind of the keys to the castle and say just go run, make mistakes, learn. And they trust you a lot. And so for me Once we have you know, I know I have high quality talent to work with

36:15 It comes down to If this were to go completely sideways. How big of screw up would it be? publicly into our community. And if the answer is a six or above, I probably want to give it a little bit more hands on attention.

36:33 And if the answer is like an eight or above, then I want to be heavily involved in that process. If it's a kind of five or below. Who cares? Like let them make the mistake. 'Cause you just don't have time to look at everything. Not only that, but you don't want your employees and look, I think you're better at the micromanaging side. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Right. It's like you don't want them to feel like you're the teacher looking over their shoulder to like point out every mistake they make as they're working. Which has been hard for me to learn. Honestly, because I am such a perfectionist. I don't know if I told you this. Did I tell you that I was diagnosed with moderate severe OCD by a psychiatrist? Did I tell you this? No. Holy shit. That all makes sense now. Well, it's funny is that I went through this long thing and then the psychiatrist was like, okay.

37:20 I feel like I have a very confident read on uh our current state of play and the diagnosis. And So he tells me all this and he says, We're on Zoom. He's like, I understand this could be a lot to take in. If you need time, we can take a break. If you want to hop off the call, to pick up tomorrow. And I was like, Are you fucking kidding me? I'm not surprised at all. Yeah. I'm like, Yeah, okay, fine. Like, what's next? That's fine. Dude, it's so funny you say that. I've got an awesome new therapist that I'm really enjoying and she's amazing.

37:50 And she's like, I wanna refer you to someone because I what you're describing sounds like ADHD and I'm like, yeah, no shit. Big big surprise. You know shocker. Yeah, shocker. Yeah, I reached out. to a couple of my ex girlfriends who I'm friendly with and I asked them, I was like, does this like square with your experience? And they're like, Yeah, yeah, it squares with my experience. I was like, Yeah, okay. Confirmed. And this was in just to provide the context, this was in the context of trying to determine neuroanatomical targets for something referred to as accelerated TMS, which I'm hoping to talk quite a bit more about, but I I don't feel comfortable yet.

38:38 making any type of recommendation, but it is a new protocol with a a very I shouldn't say very old, but like nineteen eighties ish. forward developing technology, transcranial magnetic stimulation. So it's brain stimulation. For the purposes of minimizing

38:58 or eliminating the symptoms of Certain things like O C D. Depression. Generalized.

39:08 Or maybe it's just general anxiety disorder. I think it's generalized anxiety disorder, G A D. And I become very interested in this because there are data. related to something that's been called the Saint protocol. I think that had too many religious overtones, so they abbreviated to Think maybe S N T. It's a Stanford

39:29 Based brain stimulation lab. There's some incredible scientists involved, including Nolan uh Williams, who's incredibly impressive to me. who have developed this protocol and the magnitude of effect that I have seen in some of the data This does not apply to all people, does not apply to all conditions, but shows a magnitude of effect that makes it equally as interesting to me as psychedelic assisted therapies. It's the only thing I've come across.

39:55 in the last five years that approaches the amplitude of effect size that you see. In some of these results. It's bananas, but it's very intense. By accelerated TMS, what that means is you're getting your brain zapped. Yeah. Technically.

40:13 I mean, whatever. We don't have to get into zapping. It's using magnetism, but you fucking feel it. Let me make it very clear. You're getting zapped for And I could be getting some of the specifics wrong, but I've gone through one cycle of this already. You're getting zapp for something like eight and a half to ten minutes every hour. On the hour.

40:34 For Ten hours a day. for five days straight. So you're doing fifty sessions in five days. It's a hell of a thing. But That is why I was undergoing this psychiatric

40:46 evaluation was to determine what the diagnosis was such that they could try to determine which coordinates to use, basically, in placement. of the stimulation. Super, super, super, super interesting. But the reason I brought that up is winding all the way back. to kinda where we started. I notice really minute details.

41:09 And that means also every mistake. Every like I could I could scan document. I don't know if you're like this, but like I can look at a document that four lawyers have reviewed and fine stuff. And I just have that ability. I don't know what it is. It's definitely not all blessing. There's a lot of curse to that, but I could scan a document reading very quickly and be like This clause is off, that punctuation is off. In

41:36 Minutes. Like a Living Chat GPT. Yeah, I'm kinda like or yeah, or a Rainman in some respects, but That comes with a huge tax.

41:46 Right, because it drives other people crazy. And you drive yourself crazy. So I'm learning to contend with that, which is a way of emphasising how big a deal it is for me to

41:59 Collaborate in the way that um Describing. I will say also That the objective for the creative offsite for me.

42:10 was to Try to create a flywheel of collaborative Potential and I'll explain what that means. In other words, I wanted to create enough imagery to Enough artwork.

42:22 Also enough scaffolding in terms of world building. So the mythies, the beliefs, the alliances, the conflicts, the geography. Such that I could take all of that. and give it as a world bible of sorts to a writer who's never had any exposure.

42:44 to the realm of Varlata, right? The legend of cockbunch. And They would be equipped. To write A short story or a module or an adventure for D, a campaign, who knows?

42:59 Or a comic book and have it align with my creative vision for That entire fantasy world, which was a a cool challenge. I think it requires a little more time. Those types of creative pushes are often

43:13 Two to three weeks. Three weeks seems to be the sweet spot, but That's a huge ask of my time and of everyone's time. And I wanted to make sure that I felt comfortable in a shorter format first, but And I'm excited because what a lot of people don't realize Is this whole Legend of cock punch thing.

43:32 The only thing I need to do to make this something serious. It's change the name. I don't need to change anything about the world. I've told you that. Yes. It's actually really easy. Like if I wanted to switch that gear, which I think would be a Terrible handicap right now because I want to continue to collaborate and by having the current branding, it alleviates a lot of pressure I might apply to it. There's very little I have to do. To flip a switch and make this a

43:57 Extremely. I don't know. I don't know, maybe. Maybe. I think you should. Remember when we had this conversation, I called you up and I said, Dude, if you do these three things, the shit's gonna take off and one of them was the name change.

44:09 Yeah, of course. Of course. I I know it's a possibility. right now. It is working so well. as a creative hyperdrive. And

44:20 as a catalyst for just It's like having my own fusion reactor or something. It's working so well that I'm like, look, don't get too clever. Like you can fuck things up by being too clever. I was like, don't get too clever. Like this is working really well. You lucked into a lot of it. Some of it's by design, but you got really lucky. Like ride the lightning for a while. Don't fuck it up.

44:41 So I'm gonna stick with it for a while. There's no I don't feel also any time pressure whatsoever. I Just a quick thanks to one of our sponsors and we'll be right back to the show. This episode is brought to you by LinkedIn Marketing Solutions. If you are a business to business marketer, your needs are unique.

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46:16 No, this is a good one though, because from an outsider looking in, you say, Okay, Tim, you've told us this is just my observations. You say over and over, Legend of Cock Punch, it's a joke. It's for fun. It's a throwway, I'm having a good time, don't want to take it too seriously, blah blah blah. But You know

46:34 In some sense. Let me just think about how to word this. In some sense If you did take it seriously, now you're a sci you're not a sci fi, but you're a a fiction writer. Yeah. Fantasy writer. And Fantasy writer. And

46:49 You could go for it, you could decide at some point to go for it and say, I want to try this. But there's also a sense that it could fail, and you're protected right now from failure because of the name. So Is that just a safety mechanism to keep you from feeling failure? Do you see what I'm saying? Like if we're being really vulnerable here? I do, yeah. It's a great question.

47:11 So here's what I would say is actually in a sense the opposite for me. So It's not a throw away. It's definitely not a throw away.

47:21 It is Something. I think. very profound, at least for me personally. That is in the guise of something ridiculous.

47:33 Which I think more people should try. Honestly. It's actually a cheat code. And I would say that instead of using it to avoid the possibility of failure. What it is enabling me to do.

47:45 Is Fucking swing for the fences in Ways that I would never dare otherwise. that could result in just a complete face plant. So I'm actually risking

47:59 many, many, many different types of failure that I would be Hugely averse to. Otherwise. by couching it in the terms that I've been using.

48:10 And I am gonna do so much more of this in life. Holy shit. Like this Has been Such an unlock for me.

48:19 That I'm gonna do a lot more of it. And I'll mention a few other things just quickly because uh it ties into this That's the nature of the random show. Let me just pull out a random

48:33 There's a great book. It's actually excellent for storytelling in general, although it is comic specific. It was recommended to me by a very good artist and creative. Who works in comics name

48:50 Danielle. Henriquez or Enriquez, the DC Comics Guide to Writing Comics, which is such a boring title. for a really entertaining and useful book. But the DC Comics Guide to Writing Comics by Dennis O'Neill. It has sample scripts. It shows you side by side script plus final output. It goes into story arcs.

49:12 Not all of it would apply to what I want to do, but it was incredibly I found it incredibly useful and also hilarious. The writing itself is spectacular I thought it was spectacular by Dennis O'Neill. So I want to give a hats off to him. And in terms of fiction I would be very insecure if I were to take fiction writing prose only on In say

49:37 novel or book form because there are some people who are so, so good. At it. For people out there who have not read any say fantasy fiction. We could certainly get into science fiction. I'm a huge fan of science fiction. Ted Chang.

49:52 I'll just say that C H I A N G the sh collection's just short stories. Oh th there's not like eight short stories or something like that in one book. Yeah, exactly. So there's Is that the one that was really good. Oh, maybe you you you said that a couple years ago. I mean he's he's absurdly, absurdly good. The movie Arrival was based on one of his short stories. I mean The guy is so, so So good. So to be able to pack that much information, like that dense of storytelling in such a short little it brings you in so quickly. It's unbelievable writing. His ability to like turn your brain inside out with new concepts. Exactly.

50:28 In a short story. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. So Ted Shang for science fiction would be my starting point. And then you can try the longer stuff. But For Fantasy. Lord of the Rings is just too much for people to chew on, generally. The Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss.

50:47 I think Dario's read that, actually, because I recommended it. She she read the graveyard book, which was usually my The graveyard book by Neil Gaiman is usually my Trainer. for people who are nonfiction purists who are like fiction is dumb. I don't want to read fiction. I'll usually break them in. With

51:05 The graveyard book by Neil Gaiman, usually audio book. 'Cause these people are like, I'm fucking busy. I'm like, Okay, fine. Well listen while you're walking the dog or do the dishes or whatever. The graveyard book, read by Neil Gaiman. The ensemble is great, but don't do the ensemble cast, read by Neil Gaiman. And then the other one is The Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss, which is Fucking incredible. And I recommended it to a friend. I hadn't read it in ten years or something. And my friend, who is a fucking snob when it comes to writing, he has very high standards. He reads excellent books. He ripped through.

51:38 The two Books that are part of the series, the King Killer Chronicles. in like four days. These are long books and It completely blew his mind. Which got me very excited to read more fiction, but I I didn't have a good lead until

51:55 These concept artists, at least I think one of the concept artists And one of the writers, at least it was like three out of five or something, said, You have to read The Blade itself by Joe Abercrombie. And I'm in the middle of listening to The Blade Itself by Joe Abercrombie, and it is really fun. It is really, really, really good. I've I've really been enjoying it. So on the creative side, I'm soaking myself. Yeah, uh

52:25 Masters of fiction. But I don't have the balls yet. Or I let me put it a different way. It's not a balls issue. It's I don't have the hubris. To want to take that on. right now. I realize I have a lot of skill development.

52:39 to uh focus on and I think that my sweet spot will actually be Potentially comics. I really think comics might be my sweet spot. Because I'd be awesome. Yeah, because I have the visual sensibility. I mean I do have The Sort of uh

52:57 directorial visual capacity. I can think about all of that very easily. So I could see you really, really enjoying that. And I want to recommend one other thing, which is there's a very short, it's not really a TED talk, but it's on Ted. There's a nine minute Monologue.

53:17 And what's genius about it is that he's such a good actor that he makes it seem impromptu, but you know he rehearsed the shit out of it. Right. It takes a lot of practice to make something seem like it's impromptu. And it's Ethan Hawk, the actor. And it is a short TED talk. It's like nine minutes long. called Give Yourself Permission to be creative and

53:40 Holy shit, it is So good and so powerful. I really, really recommend everybody check it out. It's such an easy lift. Yeah. Speaking of TED Talks, thank you for coming to my TED Talk. Um Kevin, you're up.

53:56 Yeah, so uh one thing I wanted to you know, we talked about that brain stimulation stuff and you know, Adam Gazali, our mutual friend at UCSF, has been experimenting with that for a while. He's one of the he's one of the pros. Yeah. Long time. One thing that I will say our mutual friend Matt Walker, who runs a Berkeley Sleep Lab. Have you talked to Matt about brain stimulation? No. I don't you know, I literally took a note. Like ten minutes ago. To catch up with Matt Walker'cause I haven't caught up with him in a while. So yes, I've been thinking about Matt. Talk about one of the nicest He's such a nicest week. But I I haven't talked to him about Brainstem.

54:31 I've not. Matt is and this is by no means an ad, I'm not involved at all, he's an i a scientific advisor for a company called Somni S O M N E He sent me one of the devices. I haven't tried it yet.

54:46 But I have it sitting next to my bed, oddly enough, as one does, but you wear it for fifteen minutes before you go to sleep. And it's supposed to just really improve your sleep quality via brain stimulation. So definitely check that out. And I know that obviously he wouldn't sign on to something unless he believed the science was solid. And he was very excited about this. It's a tough hurdle as a startup to get people to feel comfortable stimulating their brain with currency. Like it's challenging, but it's it's really promising and and and Matt was impressed with with the results. So that's amazing. If you're if you have trouble with sleep, definitely check it out. And Matt's obviously a legend. Story of my life

55:23 Good Lord. Yeah. So I will talk to Matt. He's genuinely Such a brilliant but Moreover.

55:31 Sweet guy. One of the sweetest guys I've ever met. He's nice. Like I I kinda wanna like write him into my will and watch my kids decide to do it. Seriously. Like I mean I was like I know I met you a year ago, but can you be the godfather to my unborn children, please? I've never met them, but uh Exactly. He's the sweetest guy. Such a sweet guy. All right, so I know you have a bunch of stuff. What else what what else are you holding back here?

55:57 So you know, w speaking of just crazy shit early. that I want to tell you about. I think about Technology startups in general, we all know ninety percent of them fail. Some of them are So odd they're worth mentioning because if they become something larger.

56:16 You'll want to have heard about it. Right. This is one of those. So There is a a side out there.

56:23 It is called friend dot tech. Have you heard of this? No. Okay. I don't think so. So You get a sign up code. They're post'em all over Twitter. Th somebody you'll know will have one. And when you go in

56:37 What they have realized and what Apple has done is Apple has said You must pay us a twenty percent tax on all transactions, right? And they've also banned cryptocurrency trading from the app store. Like they don't allow that to happen. They like to have wallets. And then later to buy from like Coinbase, but they As payments, they haven't yet enabled that.

56:57 So some clever individuals have figured out that Back in the day they have a way with Safari, the little browser built in the iPhone. To install Apps on the phone that aren't actually from the app store. Oh that's they're written.

57:12 I see. So what they've done is somebody created called something called friend.tech. And when you sign him with your Twitter Noth and your Twitter. It creates a profile for you. It gives you a place to post to your followers.

57:27 You can post out and they can all respond back, but they can't see each other's responses. So it's almost like a private DM. that is coming from them to you, but whenever you send something out, it goes to everyone. Okay. All right. Now what happens though is you get one share of yourself to begin with. And they call'em keys now'cause they realize the SEC might freak out about that.

57:49 And They're tokenizing humans via a bonding curve. Wow. What does that mean? Yeah. Think of bonding curves like a slippery slide, like a a child's slide. And if you had to place

58:04 A toy car on the bottom of the slide. If you're early and you're the first one You're buying in at the ground floor, but as the car starts to go up the slide Which is the predefined Curvature of the bonding curve. they becomes more and more pricey. So if I buy Tim Ferris as user number one, I might pay

58:22 Ten cents a share for Tim Ferris. And the next person might pay fifteen cents, the next person might pay twenty, and then it goes up from there. Right. It's all done in Ethereum, but they do it on a layer two. Which is another complex way of saying they kinda take it off chain or not on the main chain, so that it only costs pennies to do these transactions. Got it. So you're dodging Apple and you're dodging The gas fizz.

58:45 Right. So think of this like Imagine this is like a new type of OnlyFans. But for everyday content. So if Twitter can have subscriptions Only fans can have

58:56 Fetishes about Whatever Anyone name any?'Cause I see some words shit. I've heard about some word shit. There you go. Um so This allows them to dodge the micro payments. So I signed up. I was like, what the hell? I'm just gonna try this. But here's the crazy thing, Tim. As people buy and sell you a percentage that goes back

59:19 to you as the creator, the content creator. So I didn't know that going into this. I'm like, oh I'm just gonna buy and sell some of my friends and so I haven't sold anybody. Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. You're saying buy and sell some of your friends or you're selling Not shares'cause the SEC will freak out, but whatever the hell the keys keys. He's in yourself. What do people get? What okay, so they pay for access to your feed.

59:41 They get access to your fee. All right, okay, all right. So it's like an Ethereum denominated Patreon in a way. Something like that? Yes. Exactly. But it's based on a bonding curve, so the sooner you get in the better. And then there's as you exit down, it follows the same curve down. So as you sell shares.

59:59 So You know, Nadia from Pussy Riot, I paid for hers. And she put some things on her feet. That's very nice. Not his be beautiful woman. Uh there's no doubt about that. Yeah.

1:00:11 So Kevin just showed his iPhone screen to the video for those who want to Checking on the video. Daria likes her. She told Daria that she has a nice ass, so my wife is uh nice. I don't even know if I I should uh be bringing this up or now I've had two glasses of wine. All right, so female politics are so next level. Dudes are just level playing checkers and women are playing three D chess. It's so much more complicated. Oh you have really nice ass. And Darry's like, Thank you. And then later Dari's like Oh she's a nice ass. I'm like, what do I say? Like, oh you both have nice ass. Like, what am I supposed to say? Like you can't there's nothing you can say to me. I like food. I like ass. I would like some scrambled eggs now. Like there's nothing you can say. So Anyway, um

1:01:04 There's there's that's that's uh she's one fall fan to follow. But here's the funny thing is what people are buying or selling me, right? And I wasn't aware of this, you get a cut of it. So dude, I've got like almost three ETH in just royalties from people buying and selling me. On this. So here's what I'm guessing. So the people who are at the bottom of the slide Uh

1:01:25 Marking up and then selling their shares, their keys. Potentially, Kevin. So Let me ask you this. Are you ending up with the same Scumbags that are so Common.

1:01:38 In web three land. Or is it like something you don't have to deal with? Scumbags I I call them friends. But um I would say that I'm not saying everybody in those communities fits the description of scumbags, but there are a lot of fucking idiots. Like, let's be honest, right? Yeah, I don't think you can block anyone here, but er oh so far everyone has been super nice. Okay, cool. Yeah, I only have thirty holder.

1:02:07 Right. Right. And that just really comes, but they they get Yes, exactly. Yeah. But the th my point really is is not so much about whether this is the I think the SEC comes in here at some point this gets too big and it's like uh you know, this probably isn't uh right. But

1:02:22 I j there's something interesting about this idea of Owning a portion of It's like when we were kids and you said, Hey, this band's gonna be huge, right? When you listen to a band you get rewarded for being early. Yeah, exactly. And you were like though trust me, trust me. They're gonna break out the song. This is just the beginning. And then you know, they become

1:02:43 The next Pearl Jam or whatever, and you're like, I told you, man, I was I was early. I was a fan since day one, you know? This is a way to say I was a fan since day one. and get rewarded for it at the same time. So it's a fascinating social experiment. I don't know where it's gonna go, but I think it's worth people uh just kicking the tires on. And so the way you get rewarded then if you're buying uh He's

1:03:03 God, that's awkward. That term is used for so many things. Yeah. But whatever. He is in someone. So I have like Key is in Kevin Rose. The way I get rewarded is number one, access to the feed. Although I don't think your ass shots are gonna be as good as the one that you just showed. I have pictures of you from that haven't exposed yet. Can't wait. And then

1:03:24 Secondly, the way you get rewarded is you can I guess sell some or all of your keys if you got in early. You get one share of your own self. You can buy more shares of your own self if you're bullish on yourself, but I would not recommend going and and selling yourself. That just looks odd. For me I've just gone out and bought a handful of other people.

1:03:47 that I respect or wanna see their content. I haven't sold anybody because I I think this is like a house of cards a little bit. Dude what happened to you not? the fuck is going on. I know I I I was building a a kids construction set, my my kids uh house and fucked it up. Looks like you've been punching cement blocks. I know. I I do want to take some boxing classes though. That's that's been on my list of to do's. Yeah, you should just don't get hit in the head. Yeah, I know that. Yeah. T B does not help what you want to do. I mean, boxing's great.

1:04:16 You all feel like you're about to die after three minutes of working on pads. It is so Unbelievably tiring, especially if you have A trainer who moves a lot and can Avoid.

1:04:30 What you're trying to accomplish. Mua Thai also excellent for pad work. I've been thinking about getting back into Muay Thai, but I have to fix my spinal Pain first. Given the state of affairs, but Boxing's great, man, and you'll have access to a lot of good gyms.

1:04:48 Yeah. There's gotta be some out here. I'm gonna I'm gonna go try and find a good one. Ton. You got tons of options. Yeah. Just skip the sparring. Skip the sparring work on pads. Well, I mean you could do light sparring though, right, with padded headgear. Like as long as it's not too I you know here's let me explain what happens in light sparring with headgear. So here's what happens in light sparring with headgear. Everyone's cool. For like

1:05:11 Sixty seconds. And then someone through a punch that's a little too hard. And they say, Oh, sorry, man, sorry. And the other person's like, Yeah, it's fine, no problem. Then the other person throws a shot, it's a little harder. And then before you know it, you're just Fucking giving each other brain damage left and right. And then you both have a headache for three days and you actually have real jobs and it's a

1:05:30 It's a complete waste of brain cells. So the way that sparring, it's not really sparring, but the way that contact can make sense is if you have someone who's really good at holding mitts, you know, pads. Who will occasionally check you With their own Hands but they have the pads on, so they're not hitting you hard. But they're giving you that feeling. So you have to react and you have to develop some defensive capabilities. That's yeah, I think that's

1:06:02 Tolerable. But speaking as someone Oh my God, going through these psychiatric evaluations The number of questions related to concussions and traumatic brain injury is really beyond anything I would have expected.

1:06:17 like the correlation of depression, anxiety, et cetera, to TBI, to traumatic brain injury. Yes. Undeniable. Yeah. Fucking up your brain is gonna fuck up your brain. Well yeah, but y it's not immediately clear if you're say a skateboarder when you're a kid, like I skateboarded you did too. I'm sure you ate shit sometimes and like you whacked the the the living hell out of your head. I was actually talking to to Tony Hawk about this

1:06:41 Because um, you know, his his mom uh passed from dementia and and he we were talking about, you know, some of the brain injuries and stuff that he's been through. And he's just like, you know, I at the time this was years ago, some kind of paraphrasing, but at the time he's just like, you know, it's what I do. Yeah. It's like you're kinda too far in at that point, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, and I talked to Rhonda uh Patrick and I was like This is many years ago. We were talking about Omega 3s that get for Tony and just like stuff that we could potentially do to like, you know, give him some brain health, you know? It's it's it's tough. He's he's he's seen some damage. Yeah. Have you ever seen his shins? Oh, they must be terrible. I haven't.

1:07:19 They're beat up, dude. It's like a he's like a Muay Thai fighter. I have so much respect for that dude. I mean talk about somebody that The last time I saw him was probably six months ago and we went to this donut place that was opening up and he had a cane with him. What? And he's like a cane? Yeah. Well he had just had surgery. Oh, I see.

1:07:39 I'm like, how you doing, man? He's like, Ah, you know, this open me up, put a few more screws in. He's like, I'll be I'll be skating. Like and you know, it's like The dude just has no fear. Like there's like no there's he's just like Uh, they just open me up, put a few screws in, and I'm gonna go back at it. Like, what the fuck? Good for good for him. You're the goat. You know what I mean? Like Laird Hamilton, same with surfing, right? He's just like, Yeah. Get patched up.

1:08:03 I'm back out there. Broke my leg on a hundred foot wave in like seventeen places. Yeah, that's fine. They'll just stitch it back together. I'll be out in two months. Yeah. It's just insane, dude. Not built like that. It's impressive. Side note.

1:08:16 And this is not to make a blanket recommendation because that would be really irresponsible, but I saw A presentation. I'm not sure if it's publicly available. On A uh

1:08:30 That examined psilocybin, so what is considered the active Component. Everybody knows what that is. Uh some do. Some do in uh in Silosope mushrooms or different types of mushrooms, so magic mushrooms. In Parkinson's patients for the minimizing or reversal of

1:08:55 Symptoms. And It's very compelling. So I do think that Psychedelics. It's unclear exactly what type, to me at least. Maybe they are the

1:09:09 Tryptamine psychedelics. Maybe they are Who knows, maybe it has something to do with the serotonin type two A receptors. I'm not sure. That's beyond my pay grade, but I will say that for those who are interested if they can find This Research.

1:09:26 Which could be very preliminary. Who knows? Maybe it's Pilot. Study type of status, but looking at Sol Slap and is applied to

1:09:36 Parkinson's patients. I do think it's From a neurogenesis perspective. I find it one of the more promising Avenues of exploration.

1:09:47 I do think for people with TBI I do think psychedelic assisted therapies. Are very interesting. I would say Solo Cybin probably one of the better researched molecules.

1:10:01 And worth investigating. Ibigain also very interesting, but it has cardiac part. There are cardiac implications. The Nolan Williams I mentioned earlier has looked at ways to mitigate some of the cardiac risk. Yeah. Both of those are very, very, very interesting. Silicon at this point probably being the more versatile of the two just from a safety profile perspective, but I'm very optimistic.

1:10:29 About For those people who want to look at the edges. Uh Scientific inquiry. I'm very optimistic of actually. I in a way that I wasn't, say ten years ago.

1:10:41 in how we might contend with neuro Cognitive decline. Right, or neurodegenerative disease. I'm actually much more optimistic than I was ten years ago. Um, have you did you happen to invest in Paul Stamet's new company?

1:10:56 I did not. I'm not doing a whole lot of investing and I haven't. We did a True Ventures. You did, good. And he's he's got a Celtic new new company that uh they're doing studies and and hopefully when this stuff gets legalized, we'll we'll see what happens. Paul Stamet knows his stuff, man. You know, Paul Stametz He's one of a kind. He's a he's a great human being. In my experience, all my experiences with him, we actually just last week, maybe in the last two weeks, He and I did a challenge grant to raise money for the Amazon conservation team to buy

1:11:28 Historically indigenous land to return it to certain tribes in Colombia, including the Koge and a handful of others. They're not in the Amazon. They're at higher altitude in the north. And a handful of others. And then ACT equips them with training to be able to sort of monitor and report on their territory. Cause it's not really enough just to secure land rights.

1:11:51 And Paul was generous enough to Along with my foundation to issue the challenge rant. So we just did that together in the last two weeks. Paul knows his stuff. He really, really knows his stuff. I I feel very confident in saying that. Smart guy. He's got some great TED talks as well.

1:12:10 We're checking out. All right. Should we move on? Let's move on. So I'll mention something that's sitting

1:12:20 outside. I can see it from here that people might be interested in. So I I've been And still I'm a fervent believer in cold therapy. Using ice baths as a means of Controlling inflammation.

1:12:36 as a means of mood elevation that lasts on the mood elevation big time. Unbelievable. And uh Generally. my approach has been to get a chest freezer of some type and fill it with ice, et cetera. And that works, but they get really disgusting really quickly and They all do, dude. I bought one of the machines, the real pro ones. Yeah, and then you're stuck with this thing.

1:13:01 that is an eyesore and you don't know what to do with it. You can't move it. Yeah, I tried to sell it, I couldn't. Yeah. Yeah. So I ended up Because I I realized how significant a lever this is for improving my quality of life just on a daily basis. Like and I'll back step for a second and just say one thing that I learned from Tony Robbins. To give him credit and I don't know if he came up with this, but

1:13:23 is the sequence of state story strategies. So it's like fix your state first. Only then can you come up with an enabling story, and only then can you come up with an effective strategy. If you're like feeling shitty and you're sleep deprived and you're kind of depressed or anxious or whatever, you try to come up with a strategy, meaning how to fix something, you're not going to come up with a good strategy, generally speaking. So it's like fix your physical. State first.

1:13:52 then you can come up with an enabling story, then come up with an effective strategy. So the state piece is very important. There aren't that many ways I have found to change state exercise is one, but it requires generally a fair amount of time. Heat is also effective, but again requires say Doesn't sound like a much, but it's like fifteen to thirty minutes, let's just say, in a sauna. Very effective.

1:14:17 Cold is the fastest. It's just the fastest for me. And uh I've gone without cult therapy because I've not wanted to get some huge chest freezer or a pro model. I am also going to be getting a pro model. But They get all scummy though and then you gotta put chlorine in them. Yeah, it's a lot. But I went on Amazon and I found something called the Cold Pod, which you set up in like five minutes. You fill it with water from a hose.

1:14:45 You put ice in And it works perfectly well as a cold plunge. And I I ended up buying a Yeti. Cooler. To store ice in. So I have a few days of ice.

1:14:57 And uh It's uh let's see. What would it be? It would be like If you were standing Maybe it's Hip height.

1:15:06 And it's probably three feet in diameter, and you get in, you just kinda crouch in there. And it works fucking great. It works really well. And it costs like a hundred and fifty or two hundred bucks, maybe, I don't know. Maybe it's a hundred bucks. It's not Crazy. Hundred and sixty nine. There you go. And I've been really impressed with this thing. It's very basic.

1:15:29 And even when it's been very hot outside, like you put in two bags of ice and you Let it sit for twenty minutes. It's gonna get pretty cold. It's not gonna be thirty degrees, but it's probably gonna be mid fifties, depending on how much water you have in there. Pro tip. The more water you have in there, the more ice you're gonna need to cool it. So don't fill it all the way up to the top. Fill it up like halfway, and then add the ice.

1:15:51 And it's been a game changer for me. It's a plastic trash can, dude. No, it's not a plastic trash can. It is props whoever made this shit, because it probably cost them like 15 bucks to build one of these. Yeah, it's not a trash can. I just to be clear, I mean it's look, it's uh we're not talking about a fucking Maserati. But here's what's nice about it, it's very easy to set up. It's not a trash can,'cause that makes it sound like it's like mid chest height and and hard. It's easy to pack. You can actually travel with it if you want to travel with it. So I would just say for people who travel with it. Oh, it's super easy, man. You like it. It folds up.

1:16:30 Yeah, it folds up. You can stick stick it in a bag. You can take it with you. It's super easy. Clean your hotel room. Yeah. So For those people who have Perhaps heard about the benefits of cold therapy, but have avoided it because it's too expensive, it's too time consuming.

1:16:51 Whatever. This is a way to test it. And I would just say This is a low hurdle way to test it out. And I used it earlier today. It was fantastic. Changed my day.

1:17:02 So that's the cold button. And there are a bunch of other options that look basically identical. I just went with the one with the best reviews. Nothing fancy. I need something like this because I don't want to commit to like sterilizing my water. That's always been the problem with these things, right? I just want something I can get into, but how many bags of ice do you really need to pull this off?

1:17:25 Uh, I'd have to go look at the bags that are in the Yeti right now. I mean, you need Like six? No. Well it depends on the size of the bag, right? I would say I'm guessing. I have no idea if this is accurate. Two twenty pound bags of ice. Probably.

1:17:42 Okay. Something like that. Assuming that it is about half full. If you fill it up to the brim. You are making a mistake because now To lower the temperature you're going to need a larger volume of ice.

1:17:58 But if we're talking about Let's just say it's halfway up. And then you put in two twenty pound bags of ice. You're set. So with a with a yeti cooler. And this thing, I am good to go.

1:18:09 Yeah. I got a question for you, Kev Kev. Have you? Ever read poetry? This is uh hard left. Yes. Yeah.

1:18:17 What do you read? It's more I shouldn't say it's poetry. I've done It's it's tweets. No. No. I'm gonna send you the book that I

1:18:29 have found that I I started reading recently that was fantastic. But I I've dabbled. Horton here's a who. No, no, no. I I've had a couple of books that I picked up. But they're mostly haiku books. Like for me, haiku is kinda my poetry. Yeah, sure. I mean it's sort of in the zone, right? It's in the zone. I I like haiku because it it's just like it really has to hit

1:18:52 Don't fuck with me. It really has to hit though. You know what I mean? Like you got three lines. Like you get to pull something pretty amazing. You know, speaking of that the sci fi writer, it's like it it really forces you to have something really dense and and and and trigger Make the mind leap, you know, in those three lines, as they say. And strong strong constraint. Yeah, for sure.

1:19:16 Yeah, I was I was wondering'cause I've been uh delving strongly back into poetry and That Ethan Hawk Nine minutes.

1:19:28 TED Talk. Which is very informal. But don't let it fool you. He he prepared for it. The giving yourself permission to be creative is He talks about poetry and he mentions I'm gonna butcher this, but he says, you know, no one really cares about poetry or you wonder why on earth people would read poetry until

1:19:47 you have something happen. It could be something tragic, like the death of the parent. It could be something incredibly joyous like the birth of a child and you wonder, has anyone ever felt this way before? How am I gonna get through this? Or how should I think about this? And then poetry becomes really relevant.

1:20:07 Or it can become really relevant. And I've been delving back into Mary Oliver, I read her collection devotion, and I recently bought a small collection called DreamWork, which I haven't finished, so in disclosure, if you read it and you hate it. Not gonna take the blame for it. I also

1:20:25 I have re read now multiple times this collection of newly translated Rumi called gold. By Haliza Ghori, who is particularly Interesting to me because she is Poet herself.

1:20:43 In English. But she's also a native Farsi speaker. So she can go back to the source material, the original And translate effectively. And what many people don't realize is that Many versions

1:21:00 of translated poetry. are not actually directly translated. they take some earlier English translation from like the nineteen twenties or something. And then they turn it into better poetry. But now you have a leap from say

1:21:14 Farsi. English. to English, which is like a game of telephone. Things get distorted. Whereas She can go directly, so gold to this very short collection of Rumi Poetry.

1:21:26 I've re read a number of times. And this particular poet I have not read this yet. But You can see this says Time is a Mother by Ocean Wang. V U O N G Which I assume is Vietnamese.

1:21:46 I read his first book. Which Blew my mind. I'm not sure why I was drawn to it. I bought it as an impulse purchase at some Barnes and Noble in New York City.

1:21:57 And uh I think it was probably the title. The the the title was Night Sky with Exit Wounds, which is a great fucking title. It's so good. And I had this like family That's a great fucking title. I love title like that. Yeah. And it was like a family photo on the front. I was like, what the Fuck is going on here. So I picked it up.

1:22:17 And I will warn people in advance. Trigger warning for some people. There are some very graphic Sex scenes in this.

1:22:27 Poetry box. So There's that. But I was so impressed. I have not read his new collection yet, but Night Sky with Exit Wounds.

1:22:39 And apology to the author the author if I'm butchering your name. I was very impressed. And What I loved about it also is that I'm generally reading The words of dead poets.

1:22:53 General like I'm always reading the words of dead poets. And this is a contemporary. I would guess that this author is Uh younger than I am. And it's still put me into the cosmic philosophical washing machines okay and fuck me up and I was like, Okay

1:23:12 All right. Nice. Can I give you a couple recommendations then if you're into this? Yes. There's a book called Japanese Death Poems. Fantastic. I was gifted that by a friend of mine who used to be Marine Force Recon and it's

1:23:25 Fucking amazing. Yeah. How did you find that book? There's haiku in there as well. Like it's it's like it's it was part of like my whole discovery of haiku. No, I know, but how did you discover that?

1:23:36 I'm curious before you get to the next one. Oh, I'll tell you how I I read a book called Three Simple Lines. Which uh Henry Shuman, Zen master that you've had on the podcast. recommended to me And he's at this uh Natalie Goldberg is a the author. She was a uh author of this book called Down the Bones.

1:23:55 Writing to the bone. Yeah, right. That is a great book. Great book. She has a a book called Three Simple Lines, which is about Haiku. Huh. And it's fantastic. Okay. It's a really good book. That got me into haiku. That got me excited about a bunch of other of the greats, like Basho and Busan, like some of the best Japanese haiku writers. The OG is

1:24:20 So I bought a a a book called The Sound of Water, and then that led me to Japanese death poems. And then there was one other one that I wanted to tell you about. That is really awesome, which is Chiyo. I'm gonna mess up the Japanese pr pronunciation. It's uh Chi O Ni. Are you familiar with C H I

1:24:39 Yo Chi O Ni and I Is that how you would say that? No, I don't know. I'd have to look it up. Uh what is that? So she is A Japanese

1:24:50 Woman Haiku Master. And so if you go and look up Basically Haiku masters back in the day probably would come to no surprise. We're all men.

1:25:02 And so she is one of the very few that like was taken in and like broke out and became a Japanese haiku master. And so it's just a a a really kind of awesome story. And you get some haiku from a a female back in those days, which is You know, a long time ago. Super rare.

1:25:21 Super rare. Yes, super rare. Super rare. Yeah, I am uh I'm reading okay, so it's thinking it's Fukuda Chioni. That's her name. Fuku Da. Which means I guess like fortuitous rice patty. Fukua. It's like thousand era. Ooh my kanji are failing me right now. Ni I'm blanking on. Was Japanese poet of the Ido period and a Buddhist nun. She's widely regarded as one of the greatest posts of Haiku, and then ho

1:25:50 Gu, I don't know what that is. Some of Shio's best works include The Morning Glory, Putting Up My Hair, and Again The Women. Fascinating. Okay. Yeah, I've I've not had any exposure to her. Yeah, definitely worth picking up. I think it Holy shit, she began writing Haiku at seven. Bye.

1:26:08 Age seventeen had become very popular all over Japan. That's Nuts. Considering that that she was born in seventeen oh three. So Right. To be born in seventeen oh three and by seventeen as a woman in Japan. To be famous all over Japan, that's bananas.

1:26:28 Right. And and I had seen some of her work in these other books. And it was just mind blowing. And I'm like, Who is this woman? And then I did similar to what you did probably a year ago where I read the Wikipedia entry or whatever, and I was like Holy shit, she was a badass. All right, I'll check it out. So is the name of the book then Shioni? Is that it?

1:26:47 Yeah, it's uh Shionee woman haiku master. That's one the one I purchased. There could be others about her, but that was the one that I had Purchase was which just is probably just a compilation of her her works. Cool. So other books. I'll throw out there for people interested. I recently listened to I've been doing a lot of audio books recently.

1:27:07 Coyote America. And I think the subtitle is a natural and supernatural history. Which I believe is by Dan Flores. Yes. Coyote America a natural and supernatural history.

1:27:23 And Uh it's got four point six. on Amazon with more than 1500 reviews. And it's a biological natural evolutionary history of the coyote.

1:27:38 But also a supernatural, aka mythological History. of Coyote and the significance of Coyote in in different indigenous traditions. And it goes through the entire span of history, also drawing, most interestingly, I think, Parallels between the

1:27:57 Evolution and adaptation of Homo sapiens. And the evolution and adaptation of coyotes. It's uncanny. Sounds horrible. Sounds horrible. Okay, sorry. You love coyotes. I can't judge you. You love wolves. No. Coyote would be first, probably, wolves would be second. What's the one that licked you in the mouth? Those were wolves when I spent time with

1:28:23 the Arctic wolves. I mean grey wolves, but from Canada. That's crazy. They'd lick you the brain in the mouth. Yeah, on the teeth. That's the greeting. By the way, folks who may wonder Wolf head, not the same as a dog head. There.

1:28:36 Fucking humongous. Like they could put your entire head in their mouths. They're they are Huh. Not the same as dogs. But I would say coyotes I I would identify more with

1:28:49 Coyote. And it's a fascinating history to recognize How? adaptive both humans in the sense of Homo sapiens and And uh

1:29:02 Coyotes have been over time. I mean, humans attempted the most systematic extermination of coyotes as a species Unlike any other species in the history of humankind. I mean, we're talking about millions upon millions upon millions of poison bait traps and so on. Set.

1:29:26 And despite that Coyotes have proliferated and adapted beyond anyone's wildest imaginations. Now, part of that is from the removal of of their check and balance, which is gray wolves. So there's the removal of the gray wolf as the apex predator. Which then has resulted in part in this proliferation of Coyote populations, but

1:29:50 Because they were never the top predator. they have a wariness and caution about them that makes them very hard to kill. Furthermore, When they're under pressure. their litter size increases. Isn't that wild as a like an evolutionary adaptation? When they're under threat.

1:30:10 They go from having I'm making this up. Well, let's just say three pups per litter to like six or seven pups per litter. Oh, crazy. Isn't that wild? It's it's a fascinating book. It's really, really interesting and also Interesting from the lens of looking at how we have historically looked at coyotes.

1:30:34 as a reflection of The the aspects of ourselves that we were least willing to accept. Super interesting. Going all the way back to Mark Twain, who

1:30:46 I love Mark Twain. However On the particular account of coyotes created a whole ton of fucking damage and craziness.

1:30:58 But It was a good book. It was a good book, especially the first half. I would say. You don't I wish there was? This is just me being a a random two glass and a half in a podcaster.

1:31:10 It's a round show. You know be fun is like I'm just making this up. I like product ideas. Wouldn't it be cool if you could say, Hey, I'm Tim. At seven PM tonight, I'm gonna listen to this coyote book for an hour.

1:31:23 And We could all tune in. And like listen. And at the same time and like See comments and chat and stuff like that. And

1:31:33 There would be no voice, like it wouldn't be a disruptive. We're just all listening and like it would be like You could say like one thing per five minutes or whatever, and like or give a heart or something, like when you'd like a certain segment of it or something. There'd be something pretty powerful. Super fun. I think people have really dig that.

1:31:50 Especially if they knew that you were kinda listening at the same time. It's like Tim right now. I love that idea. All right, Audible anybody from Audible's out there. Yeah, being synchronous and connected in that way. Do tech. It's like it's amazing. Yeah, is that what I was gonna say. I mean it is amazing. Amazingly good and amazingly bad. I mean we are More connected than we have

1:32:12 ever been in terms of communication and more isolated and lonely than we have ever been. Uh. Holy shit. What a situation. Good point. All right, let's get through uh we're an hour and a half in, but I've got some crazy shit to tell. Well, let's go to Crazy Town. Come on, Kevin Ros you've been holding out.

1:32:32 You and I have been been supplement geeks for a while, you more so than me for many, many years. You got me onto some crazy shit early on. always give credit back to the Tim Ferris for The earliest y you got me into everything, man. All the H G H and stuff, then you were shooting me up. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, all the catemic depositories. Just the the best. I mean I just did one before we started the show. So you know, feeling it. Um all right, so a few things that I Is that a thing, by the way? Oh yeah, they boof the K up the box. Do they think it's a thing, yeah. I think it's kinda ridiculous, but people like any excuse to

1:33:11 Take drugs up the bus. This is also like a constant through human history. Yeah, go figure that one out. Do you have a book about it in Coyote? The four hour coyote spa story. Yeah. I don't really want to see the coyote up the bung. That sounds uncomfortable. It does. Uh let's go straight into the

1:33:32 A few of the things that I wanted to mention were You've cut back on supplements. Is that fair to say over the years? 'Cause you used to when I went to your medicine cabinet one time, there was like a thousand things in there. Yeah, I'm I mean less than I used to, for sure. I mean I still take more supplements than anyone else I know. Except for maybe Peter. P Peter's You tell me how many of these you agree with, or you take, or you're curious about, okay?

1:33:58 Number one, I found that collagen For us getting older is legit in terms of like Reducing visible lines. Like just general skin health. Did you take crawl gin?

1:34:10 You know, it makes me it this is gonna sound funny. Collagen makes me kinda itchy. I don't know why. It makes me like I I get kinda itchy. Yeah. So I do take collagen. I think it's very interesting also as a flooding dose prior to resistance training, and people can look this up. Taking collagen prior to stimulating, say, a location of injury.

1:34:31 Is very, very interesting. Okay. But I hate being really fucking itchy, so I don't I don't take it too much. So two things. Ronda Patrick puts together some uh a great data kind of analysis of all the different published studies that are out there, and there's really strong evidence around Just general skin elasticity. As you get older.

1:34:50 And then obviously joints in general. If you're running any of that type of stuff, just really healthy joint stuff. Great Lakes, no affiliation, brand that Rodded takes. I'm a fan of them. Your cheeks look like a newborn's buttocks. Is that from the collagen? They look very uh voluptuous. One other thing before we get off the college and train. Bone broth.

1:35:08 Okay. Okay. So Brodo. Mm-hmm. Which You know Marco, right? Yeah, I do. Of course I've met Marco before. So Marco James Beard award winning chef, best chef in Mayor City. He's been on my podcast. Yeah. Amazing guy. He's he's fantastic. He's fantastic. Here's the cool thing.

1:35:25 Is I talked to him, Broto Forever was his broth company. Where he shipped you frozen broth to your house. And I used it all through Covid. It was fantastic. It it's like the best broth. kills everything on the shelves that I've been a part of that or I've tasted.

1:35:41 He figured out a way So th he doesn't have to add any preservatives, no concentrates or nothing, but shelf stable. So it's fantastic and it is These are single servings. You rip them up and put them in the cup and there's a one minute in the microwave and you're good to go.

1:35:58 It's my go to broth. Brodo is fantastic. Brodo.com, no affiliation, not invested. Just a friend. All right. Ready for two more things? Square and inhale. So I'll also mention, and this is a little self-interested because I'm one of the largest investors in this company, but So he has also played around with Bone broth from Axis Deer from Maui, which is from Maui Nui Venison, which I'm very impressed with.

1:36:27 And the collagen and protein levels. R Fucking bananas. They're like off the charts to the point where people think there are Err in the lab reports. It's really, really wild.

1:36:41 Would they do pills of that?'Cause that would be really interesting in in pill form. Yeah, I don't I don't think so. Right now it's just whole food or nothing, which I kinda like'cause it forces you to do a little bit of work. But Marco is the master of

1:36:55 Ross. M O B. He really is. He really is. Yeah. Charretto. A hundred percent. If you live in New York. By the way, he's got physical locations where you can go and get these bras in cup form, like at like if you're going to a cafe. And um

1:37:09 You'll know anyone in New York will tell you like it's the best. It's just legit. All right, couple more things, three more things real quick. Aesop. You know the brand Aesop? Yeah, what is that?

1:37:21 They make little tiny baby hand sanitizers now. They smell amazing. A E S O P Okay. Yeah. Do you not know this brand? No, I do know the brand. What are you using your hand sanitizer for? No, just like you know when you're in Ubers and shit you know, you just got a little hand sanitizer, you got kids, you know. Okay, so I just want to throw that out there. I have no affiliation. Next thing is creatine fucks up my stomach. Yeah. It really does. Gives you, yeah.

1:37:46 Potential for a disaster pants high. It's just All kinds of things are wrong with create team. But As someone that works out, you wanna take it'cause you you know, you get a little boost in the gym and all that good stuff.

1:37:57 Have you ever tried this stuff right here? Creofilin, yeah, I've got some in the bathroom. Do you really? Yeah, I do. Mm-hmm. It's buffered creatine. Yeah. Dude, it it eliminated all my stomach issues.

1:38:07 Anyway, I thought Yeah. So it's it's done by now sports. If you've had issues taking creatine and you're working out and you want to take some I just want to throw it out there as something that is good. You want to hear a horrifying story that I would never tell you if I were sober? Yeah.

1:38:23 Oh of course. So I was in San Francisco. And uh I was rushing to prepare for an international flight. Long international flight. I can't remember where I was going, but it was a long flight. Like twelve plus hours kind of deal. Yeah, that kind of deal.

1:38:42 And uh I was running around, running around, and I had Like Two double espresso. I had some espresso machine. I had like two double espresso. Uh oh. A bunch of magnesium.

1:38:54 And four grams, five grams. Stupid amount. Like unnecessary amount. And Thought that was a good idea for whatever reason. So I'm driving to the airport and I'm like, oh God, my stomach doesn't feel so good. And I'm like, Oh, I'm kinda gassy. Oh, not feeling so great. And so you know I do a little lean.

1:39:17 And just Probably. Shit all over myself. Oh bad. And I'm like, all right. Are you in an Uber? No, no, I'm driving myself to like long term parking. And I'm like, Okay. So I'm like, wow, this is a disast this is a disaster. What do I do here? You bust out the the the luggage. No, this is when I wish I had your ASOP hand sanitizer. And so I'm on my way and I'm just like all right, how do I find the silver lining of this?'Cause this is so bad and I'm gonna be late to my flight.

1:39:50 I might miss my flight. And I call one of my close friends, I'm not gonna mention my name. 'Cause I'm like, this is the one guy who's gonna find this funnier than anyone else. So I call him and I'm like You will not believe what just happened. And I explain the whole thing, and of course he gets like extreme delight out of this whole situation. Which

1:40:07 Like gives me uh some redeeming. aspect of the whole thing. I get to the long term parking garage and I'm like, what do I do here? So like Take off my underwear. Wipe myself down with my underwear, chuck it under some other car.

1:40:23 And run to my flight in with no underwear on with like long pants, obviously. And then sit down for like a twelve hour flight. Smelling like I've just taken a tumble through my A fucking slaughterhouse. Were you economy at that was stage of your career? This was like middle seat economy for twelve hours kind of thing. Oh fuck. So bad. I mean

1:40:47 It was bad for me. It was embarrassing, but it was like Bad also for everyone around me. Yeah. And I'm not proud of this. But I've had enough uh Domain Tampier. To uh

1:41:02 Confess my sins. Everyone's had a close call, if not a fatal disaster in this domain. Yeah, if you've had enough creatine and caffeine. Don't lie to me. You've had disaster pants. At some point. Either you saved it. And you slid into home or you had

1:41:18 Absolute uh like Triage where it was a disaster. Tim, you mentioned ASOP for You Wish You Had Some uh during this occasion. Maybe they'll want to be a sponsor. You could probably uh cut this uh little story out and use it and be like, you know, I shit myself one time and if I only had ASAP hand sanitizer. That'll be one of their highest converting.

1:41:43 Yeah. Adds both. Exactly. I have something to show you as an artifact, physical artifact. So This is the latest. Cockpunch coffee. I'm sure you can see it's very pretty. It's very like reflective and gorgeous. That is beautiful. That's a lot of cock punch. How big is that bag? Uh this bag is how many ounces is this? Let's say this is ten ounces.

1:42:07 So we got the cockpunch sort of Miami Vice Magenta and Teal type colors on the front. We got all the greater houses on the side. We got the eightfold arena icon on that. Opposite side, which is also for the clerics, house Nemos. And then we got the sort of description on the back, QR code to like the whole story. And uh then we have the UP C, which means

1:42:34 that this is retail ready. So I will have some announcements in the not too distant future. related to go buy some more your NFTs. This coffee Holy shit. I've never been a meth addict and I don't want to trivialize it, but

1:42:54 When I was testing for this, I didn't understand how Real coffee masters and And Baristas. Test coffee. So I was doing multiple cups of coffee for every variation that I tested. Oh yeah. And I was drinking like twelve cups of coffee a day. I was so cracked out. It was uh not ideal, but I did test dozens and dozens of varieties and ultimately ended up

1:43:20 On Ethiopian? Yeah, oh yeah. Oh yeah, for sure for sure. This is Bombay, Sadaba, Ethiopia. This is Ethiopia mother station wash. Ethiopian coffees are just like so chill. Yeah. They're like nobody's offended. Everyone just loves them. They're just right down the fairway. They're They're not too heavy, not too light. They just give you a good flavor profile. Like nobody's best. Not too oily. This is also medium blend.

1:43:45 And Yeah. I want to give credit where credit is too much. This is roasted on a bellwether. So bellwether Is all electric. The lowest carbon imprint coffee. that you can purchase. It's all electric, which also makes it very replicable, which is super interesting, right? Because when you're using analog roasting technology, there's a pretty high degree of variance. Whereas with bellwether, and bellwether is B-E-L-L-W E T H E R

1:44:14 It is all electric, so you can dial in the specs. and really replicate on demand, which is impressive to me. I've been very impressed with their consistency. I gotta say on the the the whole th conversation we had earlier about the cockpun name If you go the route of stimulant drinks slash male perfect. Enhancement. You're fucking set. Oh yeah. It's it's right down the fairway. Yeah. Yeah. The cockpunch feels at the seven eleven behind the counter that just the get you going. Yeah, right. Right. Right at the impulse purchase.

1:44:50 Yeah. Right next to five hour energy. It's like do you need a lift? Cockbunch. Cockpunch. So and also all of my procedures are going to the foundation. So they go directly to early stage science and all that stuff. That new jet that you guys bought for your foundation. Beautiful. You're such a prick. Did you get a G6? I do not have a jet for the foundation. Kevin is punching me in the nuts. As per usual. Hashtag Catwunch. All right. So one thing and I'm

1:45:23 This one here, I'm about three months into testing. It's called One Skin. And I am not a person that goes out and buys like skin products. But

1:45:34 I have said as I've gotten older Like you know, you think about your crow's feet and all the other shit you have going on, like eyebrows and all this stuff. I brows are fine, but I don't know. Right right here at the part here. No wine involved in this podcast. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But but what what got me interested is this is a uh uh the isolated, this is a very science driven team. that isolated peptide That clears out senescent cells.

1:46:00 Okay. That euthanizes all the people in the senior living home, basically. From a cell perspective? Pretty much. Makes all the bit bad. Cells die and all the fresh ones live and lines go away.

1:46:11 I think this is all bullshit, but here's the thing. Rhonda Patrick was the first one to talk about it because she was convinced by the science. And then David Sinclair also tweeted about it. Because he was really convinced by the science Uh Mike. Listen, these are two people that are way above my pay grade.

1:46:27 That on the science side I respect And if they're talking about this peptide and they're liking the kind of peer reviewed articles that are coming out about it. Science is coming out about it. I'm gonna pay attention. And so I I pick some up and like, you know, I'm like three months in And I'm starting to notice little tiny changes, just like in skin quality and like

1:46:45 Less like bumpiness that I would have and more just kind of like supple I've also had some pizza a lot of pizza lately, so I probably some very supple. Plump. Yeah, uh pleasantly plump. But uh I would say that In general, I'm pretty impressed. So I just want to throw that out there. I'm not the scientist, but you know, a couple amazing scientists have already recommended this. What's the name of this thing?

1:47:07 Once again. Oh and yeah. Not an investor. Yeah. Just O and E skin.

1:47:13 And they don't have like this extensive product line of all these things there's like Three things you can buy, like a cleanser, an eye cream, and I only say more and more I like a few skews. You know, it's like if you have thousand things, I'm like, all right, you're like lining your pipeline with all this shit to feed me. As a customer, but it's like if you if you have like one, two, three things, all right. You're really focused.

1:47:36 on refining that product. I have a buddy that had lost a bunch of weight lately and had a bunch of kind of like lines in his neck. And so he started applying a bunch of the stuff to his neck and he's like, I'm noticing some d some results. And I was like This is kind of interesting. It's worth like l letting other people try and see what they think, you know. My crow's feet are like fucking Brontosaurus feet at this point. They're out of control. Dude, you should try it on one eye. For for three months. That would be fucking cool, right? That's actually a r that's a great idea. Try to one eye. And on your dates, you're like

1:48:06 Real fucked up like I'm just crow's feet pirate. That'd be great. Just one eye. Your date's like oh something was going on. What was it going? No. One skin. One skin. Yeah. Anyway, lastly This is a Pieter Tia recommendation. I wanted a really clean, clean, clean, clean protein for when I make shakes and work out.

1:48:27 You you probably know about Pro Mix, right? No, I I don't know anything about him. Oh, so a t this is a Tia's favorite protein. Or at least it was as of a couple months ago an investor in Pro Mix? I don't think so, no. It's called Pro Mix.

1:48:39 The founders I was reading up on who's behind it and it it's like Just insanely, insanely clean. Grass fed. Hormone free cows. minimally processed.

1:48:50 You know, there's a lot of them that are out there like this, but I know Atia has a whole SWAT team of people that Do all the due diligence for him when he's considering anything new. And if he's gonna say something's interesting, I pay attention. And they actually make these little tiny Bars.

1:49:04 that are whey protein, like little rice crispy treats kind of thing, but they don't spike your glucose'cause I wear my continuous glucose monitor. And it puts on things it's like there are either fifteen or twenty grams of protein. And so I I just have those as snacks I travel with as well. So Pro Mix is his favorite protein as of the last time I chatted with him. So Pro Mix. And then uh Do you want to mention this rice cooker? I think that might be interesting. Oh yeah. Yeah, so I found a rice cooker. I don't have a link to it in front of me. But there was a rice cooker that I stumbled upon

1:49:33 So I love rice, you know, uh, but for me as someone that's fucking delicious. So good. And Tim, like back in the day, and and you'll remember this quite well, but when you were into uh continuous glucose monitors, And then you got me into them shortly after. used to have to like manually inject yourself with that big ass syringe. Do you remember to put those in? It was so bad. It was like a it was like a barbecue.

1:49:57 fork tong that you had to stick into your abdomen. And you would watch the needle go in. There was like no quick action. You had like push it in and push it out. And then we'd get this continuous glucose monitor and this is like, you know, whatever, ten years ago. You started doing it, I thought you were crazy, and then I I copied you like two months later and started doing it. Two months later started doing it. And one of the things I noticed and I've noticed since my entire time doing CGMs is that rice is my biggest offender. If I eat a cup of rice, my shit is through the roof on the glucose side. And everybody's different. Everybody has different Microbiome, there's a whole slew factors on on what happens here. But here's the interesting thing.

1:50:33 Toshiba Who is a trusted brand. came out with a quote unquote low carb rice cooker. And I was like, what the fuck is this? Like low carb, like that's bullshit, right? We all know rice is high carb, but what are they talking about? Brown rice, you know, like all this shit, right? Even brown rice spikes me, by the way. So I I went, I did the research, and what they've done is they created this clever little basket. They figured out that A typical rice cooker, ninety nine point nine percent of rice cookers, you pour the water in Cook the rice.

1:50:59 It stews in its own water and your ice is done. You skip in your ball. A bunch of the starch, call it like seventy or so percent of it, is released in that water during the the kind of the process of actually making and cooking the rice. So Toshiba invented a new rice cooker, they call it their fuzzy logic technology rice cooker. that has a basket that lets all of the starchy water drain to the bottom

1:51:24 And you end up with a much lower glycemic load. It cuts the carbs by thirty four percent. Sorry, thirty seven percent. reduction in carbohydrate. And dude, I ate a cup of rice. And I'm telling you, I can see it on my CGM. It does not spike me nearly as much.

1:51:40 is the full rice, which I thought was pretty awesome. I wouldn't have believed this in anyone else, but Toshiba came out with it. And I was like, Okay, if Toshiva's gonna put their name behind it, like must have done the research, you know? Yeah, they're a big dog. It's a hundred seventy nine dollars. If you want to just cut a little bit of carbs out of you or it rise is a big offender for you. It works with the oatmeal, it works with the whole sloop, what brown rice, white rice, quinoa, the whole range of things.

1:52:03 Anyway, I just thought it was really cool. It's got one thousand eight hundred and fifty two ratings with four and a half out of five stars, four point six stars out of five. So People love it. Three hundred plus have bought it in the last month.

1:52:15 Let me ask you this, taste wise. Is it as good? Is it I couldn't tell the difference. Okay. Little bit on the texture. Little tiny bit on the texture, but like call it a maybe five to seven percent delta from what you're normally experiencing in rice. So it's You're not pissed. It's fine. It's yeah, yeah.

1:52:32 Nobody's complaining. That's a big deal. It's a big deal. I fucking love rice. There are so many carbs that I can like whatever I can do without it. I love rice. Oh my God, do I love rice. When you go hog, like full hog on something, like

1:52:46 Cheat cheat night. Yeah. What do you do? I'll tell you what I did two nights ago. All right. You go first. I pulled that out of the fridge. I had this like mixed berry It was like a berry cookie ice cream or some shit. And like

1:53:01 Do you feel like hell when you crush an entire pint of ice cream? Like I feel like I've just like have sinned beyond belief. Yeah, it's been a while since I've forced a whole pint of ice cream. My weaknesses are super clear. My weaknesses are cheesecake. If so my question for any White staff is

1:53:20 From one to ten. No seven allowed. How good is Your cheesecake. And if they give me an eight, nine or ten, I'll do the cheesecake.

1:53:29 There's cheesecake and then there's carrot cake. So those are my two Oh my God. But it has to be super moist and the Icing has to be really, really, really good. And I also can't have big chunks of carrot in it. If it has big chunks of carrot like carrot cake is joke. It's fucking cake, right? I mean if it's got huge chunks of carrot, like I'm not Bugs Bunny. I don't eat

1:53:54 Yeah, uh exactly. I'm I don't have a carrot to fish. Some people do that though. I've had some fucking carrots in there. I'm not into it. Why is there chunks of carrot? I'm not into it. No. So those two I will always go for. Pint of ice cream and look, if it's in front of me, I'm sure I'll eat it. If I've had especially two drinks, like two glasses or more of any drink. Like tonight. Like tonight. So martinis. You mentioned martinis. Is it an old fucker thing that they end up turning to martinis?'Cause I have become more and more interested in martinis. Oh my god, dude.

1:54:26 So here's the deal, dude. Martinis, the thing that is so beautiful about them Is that if you order it correctly. It is spirit clean. So it's not like a heavy Like there's no sugar. So here's what I do. I say, give me a Jin Martini.

1:54:41 I typically go with I like the less botanical gins. Yeah. So I'll do Boodles. Or something that that's just like Less botanical. And then I'll add in two olives.

1:54:52 And I'll say extra dry, extra cold. And then you're good to go. And just a a tiny bit of vermouth. So on the dry side. Rinse the glass with vermouth? And then so it's mainly gin. And you got those couple alls in there and you're good to go.

1:55:05 What is your opinion on Espresso and Martinez? I mean I only do those at like my friend's bachelor parties or whatever when you're like I'm gonna be out till two AM'cause like Otherwise caffeine fucks me like later. Yeah, Manhattan Speedball. Yeah. I love espresso martinis. I gotta be honest. Dude, they're really good. If you're on a date, go to town, son. Yeah, yeah. Like that's a great way to go out and have fun. I'm back on the field. I'm not the young man I once was. My qi has been diminished. I need to compensate with caffeine.

1:55:36 Tim, you gotta move out here, s dude. Like this is like fertile ground. You gotta come out here. I don't know if I can deal with it. I don't know if I can deal with it. Honestly, it's too intoxicating. It's like how much time do you want to spend Falling down the rabbit hole with Alice in Wonderland. I mean it's It's intoxicating. Do you think they're all kind of Can we bleep something out if I say it? Yeah, of course.

1:56:01 out here or do you think it's like Do you think that are they all that type of person or do you think it's like good people. Not that she's a bad person, but It's gonna be amazing. So I think there are amazing people. It's just you have to really wade through and sort through a lot.

1:56:27 in LA to get to the signal. It's very hard. Wha what are you looking for? What are you looking for in in a a relationship long term? What are your like top go to's? Like what what what do you want? What do I want? I want someone with uh Don't say physical Brit.

1:56:43 I mean the physical matters. Let's not fucking lie. Don't get me wrong. I know you want to I know I know which one Daria will be me. I'll give Daria a common. Daria takes very good care of herself. Right. Like that's Oh dude she works out two hours a day. It's like that's not trivial. She's very uh and it's for her as much as it is for you, but it's yeah, it's it's a significant significant thing, right? Like the physical practice is a is a significant thing. So There's that. I mean I like strong

1:57:12 physically attuned women. Now strong doesn't mean big. I'm not looking for a crossfit. Games. Winner necessarily, but Like someone who is very uh physically attuned is important to me. That's important to me personally, and it's important to a partner. Outside of that, I mean I think that I'm looking for

1:57:32 Someone who is has a clear sense of identity. And Direction. Because that direction may change, but if someone doesn't have a

1:57:43 Clear demonstrated ability to focus for at least a few years I find that the relationship becomes this nitpicky project. Well you don't want them also just like Hanging on. It's it gotta be their own show too, right? They got not show, but you know what I mean. They got to have their own shit going on. They have to have their own shit going on.

1:58:00 How should we wrap things up? I got way more things to talk about, but I know we've been going for a while. Well I mean I'll I'll add one. Alright. So let's take a departure from one more each? Yeah, sure. So I'll I'll give one. So Mine is an app. on browser on laptop as well called Aralo.

1:58:19 A I R A L O, which is for cellular data overseas and it is the uh easiest most reliable approach that I've found to cellular data overseas. So if you're going to any country You can buy a cellular data plan. Even if, for instance, in my case, Verizon.

1:58:39 may not support or Oh I can help you here. I got a better solution than this, but go ahead. Alright. Well I can't wait to hear. The you know, in in case of Rise, like yeah, they wanna upgrade you. quotation marks all the time to like an unlimited data plan. But the cost question is open for me. So I've used Erlo, which I have been very happy with.

1:59:00 Up to this point in time. So what's your better alternative? Here's something that most people don't know is that iPhones in particular and I believe Android phones as well, they can support multiple SIMs. And at this point in time, it's they're called e sims because you don't actually need a simple. So Carlo is an E sim. Okay. So Google Fi is just insane because internationally

1:59:21 They give you coverage in just so many countries. I don't have the exact number, but I put on a secondary plan, so th there's two things this helps you with. My main plan is Verizon and I use that for data because they have good 5G.

1:59:37 I use it for my main phone number. No, sorry, I don't use my phone number. I use it for data. I use my phone number at Google Fi because it's protected by two factor authentication, all crazy security of Google Fi. So sim swap are are are very uh you know, they just can't happen. 'Cause there's not not not a personal call to trick into doing a sim swap. You have to actually log in with your Google account.

1:59:56 So Use that at Google Fi is your main number. Change the data to go to Verizon so you get the good data package because you can do this in the iPhone. So walk me through this just to back up. So let's uh so I have a Verizon account. What do I do?

2:00:11 Okay, so You want to transfer a number to Google Fi. How do you do that? Okay. Google Fi on the website will walk you through it.

2:00:18 Okay. Google Fi is not gonna give you the best data. So what you then do is you say, Okay, Verizon, I love you. But you're gonna be my data only plan and they charge like twenty dollars a month or something for it. It's data only. Okay. So that's your e sim that is data only. And then in the settings.

2:00:34 You say, where do you want to get your data from? And you say, I wanna get it from Verizon and then you got the five G network, and you're in the United States, you're good to go, right? And then you're security of your main phone number is locked down by Google Fi. So that's the most secure place that you can have it.

2:00:48 Then when you go abroad because Google Fi has all All of these international connections. It's like over two hundred Destinations they say. They have coverage on

2:00:58 It's insanely cheap. Like the data plans are the the cheapest there are out there. Then you go into your phone settings and say, switch my data. From Verizon to Google Fi. So now you're Google Fi all the time. When you're international and one phone. You don't have to switch phones or anything. And so I have this like little two bar thing that goes on. They show you two bars on your phone when you do both of the plans. So it's it's great.

2:01:18 I love it. Boom. So what is the infrastructure of Google Fi? How are they providing that data? They use multiple providers, but it's mainly T Mobile in the United States. But It says that all plans include US, Canada, and Mexico. Unlimited plans and flexible plans, data in two hundred plus international destinations.

2:01:36 Plus five G in select countries. And their five G country that just keeps growing and growing. It's great, man. Every time I've I've I've ever fly anywhere International I just turn on Google Fi and I get like the highest speed.

2:01:49 It it's fantastic. It's so inexpensive. Amazing. I'm on it. All right.

2:01:55 So I'm taking notes too, folks. All right, Kevin, you said you had one more. Do you have do you have something else? Last one, I've got a bunch of investing related stuff, but you can get that on my podcast, kevinrose.com. It'll be linked to podcast at the top. But I would say the last thing which is the absolute no brainer right now screw buying individual bonds. The rates are changing all the time.

2:02:15 Vanguard, this is not investment advice. This is just like me saying what I do personally. When I do my bonds rather than do bond funds or or or crazy like medium term or long term bonds, we don't want to Screw with that, give him more Ray Threat. V U S X.

2:02:32 X. Is the Vanguard fund that I use. And I think it's a no brainer in that it's a hundred percent treasury. base, so they buy US government treasuries. It's short term.

2:02:42 Bon fund? So all these banks right now are being like, Hey we'll give you four and a half percent, we'll give you four percent, blah blah. Screw that. Even though it may seem like a quote unquote high interest yield.

2:02:54 You go set up a Vanguard account. Buy this fund right now. And this obviously changes day by day, non investment advice again. Right now it's five point three two percent compound yield. On Vanguard.

2:03:06 With like the smallest management fee. And they're just buying US treasuries. You're getting five point three percent. Home run. is just a no brainer. So that's what I'm doing on the bond side right now.

2:03:17 Everything else, index invested, set it, forget it. Except for NVIDIA. Uh I also think that uh There's some upside in in A and D potentially on the low end AI side. Wait, what? Hold on, say that again? Do you say it. Yeah, GPT. I think it's going to three trillion.

2:03:32 I think it's gonna be plutonium. It's like the new arms race. Listen, AI is the shit. It's not going away anytime soon. It's not a fad. This is not VR AR bullshit. This is really gonna change the entire world. NVIDIA is the dominant player in this the space. The stock, if you look at it, it's it's like scary as shit because the run up has just been like the most insane steep climb you've ever seen.

2:03:55 I think long term it's going to a three trillion dollar company. You know, it's it close to two, hovering at two right now. This is a growth play. This is not an angel investment. I hold some just because I like to hold a few individual socks. I think AMD is a good cheap play for this. They still have a

2:04:10 Pretty high price to earnings ratio. And they also I I met with a good friend of mine that's an insanely smart PhD from MIT that is one of the earliest inventors of a bunch of AI. Sold his company to Apple. I won't name him, but he told me that The problem with AMD is they have an underdeveloped software stack for AI.

2:04:29 But they're rapidly trying to fix that because I like that's the biggest issue that AMD has right now. MD's like way cheaper than NVIDIA right now. So If I was gonna like say, Okay, I've got X number of dollars for an AI play. Two things. Dollar cost average your way in, so you're not buying the high and not buying the low. You're just spending a fixed amount of money over six months or so.

2:04:48 to like slowly work your way into the market if you don't know what dollar cost averaging is Google search it. And then AMD would be like if I put like seventy five percent in in NVIDIA but twenty five percent AMD not investment advice. TSMC Is the manufacturer of all the chips

2:05:03 T S M C makes MV chips, AMD chips. They are the backbone of this entire World. When it comes to manufacturing CPUs, GPUs.

2:05:13 The biggest concern there is they're in Taiwan. Hotly contested. China issues. I don't touch it because I worry about China. I talked to my buddy

2:05:23 My buddy that's uh really, really deep on the AI side, one of my most trusted advisors on the AI side. He said that And this was a big shocker to me. He told me that Facebook Invested in AI a few years ago and bought up some of the best engineers in AI.

2:05:38 So he would not be surprised if Facebook unveils Some crazy shocking amazing AI tech. In the next six months to a year. And so I trust him. I'm not buying Facebook stock'cause I think they're fucked up for a whole bunch of other reasons. They're spending way too much on

2:05:53 V R and A R But uh I that was uh eye opening to me. The other two's uh big players is Google and Amazon. Google's only showing a little bit of their cards right now, not revealing the whole thing. Barred their AI. Is

2:06:05 Insanely Insanely locked down the real bard behind the scenes if you're at Google. It's a ten X improvement over what they have publicly available. It's a lot better. I'll give a wink. Yeah. It's a lot better. Yeah. Last thing, N T doi Nintendo. Super Mario Brothers, second highest

2:06:23 Box office sales. And of all animated films. The supermarket. Amazing movie.

2:06:31 Fuck down a IP. So A nibble for me? Is Nintendo. I nibble because I see them playing with Universal Studios. Could they be the next Disney?

2:06:40 I don't know, man. Zelda could be the next Lord of the Rings. There's a lot of IP locked up there in Nintendo, I think that that could be interesting. That's fun. Yeah, for people who are wondering for me whoever wondering also Nintendo Way back in the day. Nintendo. Used Nintendo and trading cards.

2:07:00 Hanafuda. Hanafuda trading cards. In Japan. They still make it so Oishi. Yeah, I see. Delicious. They're just beautiful and delicious. Delicious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very beautiful. All right, man. Well fucking hey. We've covered a lot. That was great. Nice to see you, buddy. Yeah, good to see you, brother. This was fun.

2:07:21 Anything else you'd like to say, Kevin, you're gonna point people to the new podcast. Yeah, I mean just if you if you head to kevinrose.com, it'll be at the header there. I'll make sure it's up. And I appreciate you all for listening. Uh, I promise some wild crazy moments and some fun stuff. So yeah, thank you for tuning in. Kevin is very, very, very, very good at his format. So check it out. And for the show notes from this God knows what kind of mess my uh team will have to untangle. But team.blog slash podcast you'll find links to all sorts of shit and uh I'm gonna be able to do it. ASOP uh hand for when you shit yourself. Exactly. Hashtag ASOPDisaster pants sponsorship incoming. All right, guys, thanks for tuning in. Thank you. Bye.

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