#822: The Random Show — Ketones for Cognition, Tim’s Best Lab Results in 10+ Years, How Kevin Hit 100 Days Sober, Home Defense, Vibe Coding Unleashed, and More

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Hello, boys and girls. Oh, Do Gie Howser. Hello, boys and girls, ladies and germs. Deep baritone.
Welcome to another episode of the Tim Ferris Show. This one is a random show with my good buddy Kevin Rose. Kevin Rose, partner at True Ventures.
Venture capitalist?
Prior to that
Incredibly successful.
Angel Investor, also serial entrepreneur, founder of Dig.com, D I G G dot com. They are rebooting that. Keep an eye on it. He's doing it with Alexis O'Hanian.
Co-founder of Reddit and other folks. So something to watch. We cover a lot in this random show, but before we get to some topics, I must say.
Gotta do it.
Right now.
I am launching my first endeavor.
card game called coyote. Coyote game.com. You can find it everywhere. Amazon, Target, Walmart. It's in 8,000 retail locations.
I did this with the geniuses at Exploding Kittens, and it's been a labor of love, such a fun project for the last two years.
Tested it with hundred plus families, thousands of people now. And it's working. It's going.
Nuts.
So you need some fun, you need some analog, you need some social interaction, you definitely need more laughs.
in this crazy chaotic world of ours. So check out Coyote Game.
dot com. It has three hundred million plus
views on social of gameplay.
And if inventory is low, stuff is selling out in a lot of places, just stick around. There is more and more and more stock flowing into all the channels, including Amazon. So please check it out, coyotegame.com. And you can watch some videos right there. You'll see one on social that did 40 million plus by itself.
So if you want to see what that recipe looks like, check it out. And topic wise, we cover a ton in this episode. We cover Kevin hitting the 100 days with no drinks and how he did it. We talk about microdosing GLP1s.
Home defense, home self defense.
We talk about
The changing landscape of tech and vibe coding and what you can do if you have no engineering background, no programming experience.
just what you can do now with new tools is mind blowing and how that's gonna disrupt a lot of venture capital and how startups are built. And then on my side, let me get my trustee.
Composition notebook.
I talk about a lot of health experiments that have paid off different things that I have played with and tracked with
various types of blood tests and biomarkers. And there's a lot. There's a lot. I am feeling
And certainly as reflected in my blood work.
Looking.
better than I have in more than a decade. And I was starting, I think, from a pretty good baseline. So there's a lot in this episode.
with Mr. Kevin Rose. So without further ado, and maybe a few words from the sponsors who make this program possible, enjoy.
This wide ranging
I think pretty hilarious conversation with the
Fast tap dancing, Kevin.
Rose.
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Hello boys and girls, ladies and germs, Kev Kev.

Brandon Show. Here we are again.
Nice to see. Here we are.
Good to see you as well.
Crazy listeners and viewers out there, we have a lot to talk about. This is gonna be an action packed episode. Features all sorts of
New
biological hacks, psycho emotional hacks.
Even includes some
homeless people hiding in a closet. And uh that is not a metaphor. We'll we'll get to that eventually.
But let's kick off with a huge congrats, man. One hundred days. Why is one hundred days significant? What is the milestone?
The milestone is
No alcohol for one hundred days. Fucking eh, man. Congratulations. That is huge.
That is huge.
Especially given how much of an alcoholic I was.
Yeah.
Well let's dive into it because I have
Over the
Decades, I guess, at this point. See you
Take a stab at sobriety many different times and the successes vary, but nothing has approached a hundred days. Nothing. Yeah. Nothing. Well, I mean, don't make it seem like it's that bad.
I mean when you were laying under those overpasses, just hey, listen, you've taken a stab at non sobriety with me many times. I know, I know. Well, I was gonna say a hundred days sober.
Even for someone who does not consider themselves a drinker.
But let's just say for someone who drinks occasionally socially, like that's a meaningful period of time.
That's a quarter of the year, more than a quarter of the year. So
I'm sure we've talked about this, we've tracked it a little bit over time, but what
made the difference this time around. Let's reiterate that for folks and maybe maybe your answer's changed.
I think that initially it was fear of death.
Which was largely driven by my doctor calling me up and saying
Your liver enzymes are like, you know, whatever it was, five X, seven X, what they should be. Wow. Okay. So that was number one.
But
Just to give people a benchmark of kind of where I was at drinking wise.
My journey with alcohol has been one of uh it's been one of a love affair. I've definitely enjoyed the drinks, but for me it's never been about drinking to blackout or drinking to even like
Any type of illness or sickness.
It's just
Kind of consistency.
Meaning that when Covid happened
I was like sober as could be for the first three weeks.
And then I'm like, eh, you know, what do we have to do? We should just drink a little bit. Like I think everybody's gonna be okay. At first I was like, gotta get my immune system like on point, you know?
And then
I just kinda gave that up and there was a lot of you know loneliness and I was out in the woods in the middle of nowhere in Oregon.
And had some young kids and was like, Oh, let's just crack a bottle of wine. So it was a very common, very normal thing for us as a household. Yeah. For a lot of people just crack a bottle and just finish the whole bottle between two people, you know? And that became the norm.
For me I was always
Asking myself, can I take a day or two off per week?
Which I think would be a good healthy thing. But then if you just add up the amount of drinks, even with taking a day or two off.
Yeah. If you're doing three drinks a night, that's a lot of drinks. That's a lot. And just just to put that also in a broader context, part of the reason I've never lived full time in New York City and part of the reason some of my friends have moved out of New York City is not because New York City is a bad place, but
At least in the social circles.
By and large, that I know finishing a bottle of wine between two people, let's call that two and a half drinks apiece, would be a light.
Night in New York City.
And
To do that.
Minimum three nights, but three, four, five, six nights per week. In a lot of the groups I know, at least, that is just par for the course.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah, the issue is that when you get into your forties and you have all that
Cumulative damage.
Of decades.
You realize like, well, things start to shut down, like your liver. So I think that's that was the first sign, but only have one liver, so you wanna take care of that baby. Yeah.
The nice thing uh obviously about the liver is that if until you're at that point of no return, it it's pretty
damn good at healing itself. And
my liver enzymes snap back to normal rangin, you know, four weeks, which is great to see.
But
When I think about
When have I truly given it a break? When have I truly taken more? And I've taken a month off here or there.
You know, there's like those dry January's and I would have a dampish January where like you have like a drink or two, but still kind of dry January.
And so
That was the norm, and then
I just said
If I can't go three months
And actually my my therapist told me this. She said
You know, Kevin, it's kind of a golf clap at one month. Three months is where the magic happens in terms of how you feel, your energy, your mood.
Weight loss, glucose control, all the things that you've said you want to have.
Uh you know, but can you do it? And it is really challenging to go three months for someone like myself that
It is
A crutch around social situations.
It is
A crutch around
You know, if I'm being honest, like when you have a partner where
You're dealing with a couple of little kids and it can be challenging with the kiddos and with the logistics of a household and
All of a sudden you're just like ah I had a hard long day at work and I had a long day at home.
And I have some good wine sitting right there. It's very easy to tap into that, you know? Yeah.
What would you say made the difference this time around? You had the health scare.
Or at least the doctor saying like
Hey hot shot. It was surrounding myself with with people that had done this before. How did you find them?
Well, I think we're at at the age that I'm sure you probably can check this box as well, where I know right now three people that have successfully done
twelve step programs, sure.
Easily three.
We have a couple of friends in common that have are now sober and have done these programs.
And
Yeah, that's exactly it. And you just you reach out to them and say, Hey, what did you do? What
about these twelve steps has worked for you.
I was always kind of put off by the religious aspect of some of the twelve step stuff. It just seemed to me like a little
I don't know. I I didn't really think I had it that bad, but I knew that there were people that and I had seen this that had stuck to it with the help and support of
These people and they gather around you and really give you
Kind of a tool kit.
to lean into and for me that has been really
Understanding that
It's not about the three months.
It's just about winning today.
Yeah. And so if you can reframe it as like just not today, yeah, I can have a drink tomorrow, but just not today.
Not today, Satan. Not today, Satan. Yeah, exactly. And it sounds so silly. But it does little tiny things. Eternity Well, I guess we're not gonna live for all eternity unless you believe some people on the internet, but
Until you die is a long time, or at least you hope it's a long time. Right? But like today or tomorrow.
Today.
It's very digestible.
Yeah, a hundred percent. And so that was a a big thing in and having those friends and the first thing they did.
Being you know, some of them are one's still an AA and
To our XAA
is that what we do here is we just give you our numbers and you call any time you're having a craving or you think you're getting close to
to not pulling this off because we want to see you succeed. And I think that's
a powerful thing to be able to have
A hotline.
To someone that is like I've been here. It sucks. Yes.
Yes, you can get to two weeks.
But do you want to white knuckle this all
The entire way by yourself? Or do you want someone that's gonna go have a tea with you and sit with you for an evening on a day that's particularly hard, you know?
And so I think after you get to kind of six well, and I'm just speaking for myself, but when I got to six or ish weeks.
The
Kind of headachey kind of desire of it all.
faded away a little bit. And then I found a bunch of shit that I really enjoyed doing.
That was not drinking. And I think that's the other big thing you have to do.
is you have to really figure out what
is gonna fill that space. Because if it's just the weed Yeah, I mean I started cocaine and I just did a bunch of weed. But other than that No, I I don't I don't I wish I liked weed. I did not like weed for some reason.
I think Sigmund Freud for a while was viewing cocaine as the solution to heroin. I'm I'm not making that up. It's like a very famous psychoanalyst. Anyway, but that's not that. You didn't go for uh snow blindness.
No, but I I did go for this. Look at this.
Oh, okay. Now this looks like a uh Japanese
Lego-ish. Those are nanoblocks.
Yes, so this is called nanoblocks and it's one of the things I wanted to talk about today.
Alright. So nanoblocks are from Japan.
And I did a little research and essentially they were able to find a way around a lot of the Lego patents. And
They've created look at how small this block is. Yeah, if you will listen to audio
Yeah, th it's about the size of a baby aspirin. I mean it's tiny. Right.
Exactly.
And so they literally sell nanoblock branded tweezers.
to put these things together.
That's the most Japanese thing I can imagine at this moment. Exactly.
And so the the instructions are horrific, which actually makes it more fun.
Look at this. Look at this bad boy. Oh wow. Okay. So he's holding up a cherry blossom tree. It's actually awesome. It's kind of mesmerizing.
in that lo-fi kind of way.
And it probably has, I'm just gonna guess here one
Uh eight hundred and fifty seven pieces.
Something. No, this was this was twenty twenty five hundred, I think. Jesus. Oh my God. Yes. There we go.
So this'll take you a good solid week.
It'll it'll keep your hands idle hands in the devil's workshop, but not if you have nanoblocks. Yeah, exactly. So
I will say that
Little hobbies like this, especially ones that you can do with your kids. Do I have my yeah, so this one back here is also like Oh, that's I guess uh I'm blanking on the exact name. The Great Wave, Hokusai.
Almost everyone will have seen this.
In some form or fashion. That's cool. That's cool. That's very cool.
Yeah, so that actually is legit Lego. This is not nanoblocks, but this one is is really cool. We talked about that one once before, but
I think these things are great to have, these little hobbies are great to have. And I I nanoblocks
I will say if you go on Amazon, they sell them on there, they have horrible reviews.
And the reason why the reviews are so bad is because the instructions
Like I said, are horrific.
But
Once you understand the way that the Japanese want you to do it.
There is a method to their madness and they all work the same way.
So it takes you like an hour and a half to be like, why are they telling me to put it like what does that arrow mean? And then you understand the arrow systems because there's a lot of Japanese a little bit of sprinkled English throughout the instructions. Probably doesn't help very much.
Right, but but look at this look at this kid here.
Oh right. So they have these cute little kids. Cup of noodle.
Basically. That little ramen.
Yeah, 140 pieces, ages twelve plus.
Yeah, so this ramen is gonna be about the size of like a shot glass. Like a shot glass, exactly. But it is super tiny. And it'll take you like eight hours to put that together. But they're so fun. They're so fun. And they have a massive Godzilla that's cool.
So two things. Number one, if a video on YouTube doesn't exist already, you should just create a video, which is like let me explain how to use these fucking things. That would be a great service to humanity.
You know what's funny is I'm actually doing that. I'm gonna do a live there's this whole movement right now.
Where people go out, actually Craig Mod is quite good at this, where he'll go out, you had him on your podcast, fantastic. All things Japan, Craig Mod's the best.
He w has gone out and he's done these ambient recordings where he just goes to these like rural parts of Japan. Yeah. And he just sets up his mic and he just you listen to the street traffic, you listen to the people doing various tasks.
And there's something to be said about they call this slow TV this movement. Like there's this whole thing where people watch people
Groom and sheer sheep.
No, but I saw this guy who has a podcast that is sort of, I guess, interviewing thought leaders.
And he didn't disclose this in the tweet, but the tweet was like, There is an account
Of a Norwegian truck driver.
This is on YouTube, just driving through different parts of the countryside in Norway, and it has like five million subscribers or something. And he said, meanwhile.
There are other
Podcasts that do this on YouTube and they only have 9,000 subscribers link. I didn't disclose that it was actually his account. But yeah, the slow
I suppose.
What's the right word? Sort of living vicariously as a fly on the wall with things that seem
Very day to day.
Like Craig Maud has a super relaxing it's hard for me to explain exactly what it is. Maybe it's
just a s a mild antidote to digital loneliness. Maybe that's part of it. But
He went to a Japanese
jazz listening bar where people or a jazz listening cafe where it's full of vinyl. People sit there.
in in true Japanese fashion, like practically dead silent, just listening to the owner who's effectively the DJ put on different vinyl and he got the bar. Okay, all the ambient sounds and
Craig Maud, what a gem. Definitely look him up. Yes, the name is M O D, as you heard.
Yeah, and I I will say that I've talked to Craig about
I I asked him, I said, Hey, how do you
get this. Why does it sound so amazing? Like what's your secret here? And he uses
These bineural microphones.
Essentially they go into his ears.
And so he plugs them into his ears and then into a solid state recording device.
And so you're listening as though you're sitting in his ears because there's a mic on each side.
So that's left and right audio uh channels.
And it creates this illusion of like a depth of audio as you're listening.
Which is just brilliant. Yeah. And it's so much fun. There is a a massive movement and I get it, Tim. Like
We are so addicted to
Are devices that
I don't know, maybe it's like'cause I'm getting in my late forties, but
I desperately
Crave.
More analog in my life. Yeah, more analog. More so than I ever have. For sure. Do you find that to be the case with yourself? Oh, a hundred percent. I mean, next week I'm going on this
Wilderness.
Trek in Montana and Idaho that is gonna be off grid and with a couple of close friends.
And sure, you could bring, say, a solar charger and try to use your phone, but I'm just gonna leave mine behind.
I don't need it. What am I gonna do?
Did you just bring in your uh your printed playboys? Yeah, you're going all analog. Bring in the stash from the the late eighties. I I kept those with my DD when I from childhood when I packed them up. And
Analog more and more analog. It we are just evolved to thrive.
and feel at ease in
Analog environments.
Which isn't to say all digital is bad, but
Is certainly past a point the self-soothing becomes a poison. And it's I don't think we need to convince anyone of that. You see it everywhere. So it makes sense that even in a digital sphere.
This type of slow viewing
I was gonna say cat on the wall, not even sure what that would be. Maybe it's sounds like a Japanese t shirt, but fly on the wall.
Experience.
Allows people to put something in the background. I used to do this when I was writing my books. So four hour work, I don't even know if you know this, so four hour work week, four hour, four chef.
I would do most of my writing late at night.
And a lot of authors I know who are are productive, not saying I'm one of the most productive at all, but either write very early when everyone's asleep or they write very late when everyone is asleep.
Yeah.
The upside is you can focus. The downside is it can feel very, very isolating. So I would sit in my T V room.
And uh
Put on music.
But I would always put on movies.
to watch so I had people around on the screen.
And these were movies that I would just watch on repeat. So I've seen for the first set of movies th for the four hour
Work week it was Sean of the Dead and
The first Jason born.
And then for
The four heart body, it was snatch, and it was the first movie I chose that popped up on Amazon Prime, which is Babe.
Masterpiece of a movie. So I s I watch Snatch and Babe like
Five thousand times each. It's I mean absolutely high hundreds each, but it's just to have something in the background that is comforting.
While I'm isolated.
And I'm listening to music and writing.
So it makes sense to me.
You know the naked gun is uh coming back. Yes, I do. I saw the reviews and I'm like, God, I hope it's true, because the naked gun was so good.
Yes.
Liam Nissan is actually
a fantastic actor, despite the fact that he's made some version of Taken like seven hundred and eighty nine times.
But
The guy has chops.
But in the same way.
You know, Johnny Deppest chops, but when they did a remake of Willie Walker and the Chocolate Factory, I was like, Oh, don't do it. Gene Wilder's gonna be really hard to top. That's gonna be really tough.
So
I'm optimistic in a way.
I suppose with movies that I haven't been.
In a long time. So I'm excited to check out the naked gun.
I'm just curious to see if they're gonna keep up with the'cause the naked gun you could not make
Today.
Well, maybe you claim it again now. As it was. I mean yeah, you'd there'd have to be some script doctoring for sure. Let me before we get to the naked gun, I just wanna Yes I wanna make an observation, which is, you know, you and I text a lot.
And
we're in, you know, one ridiculous small friend group thread and
Since you cut alcohol out.
The
tone of your communication is
Completely different.
In the sense that
You basically don't complain anymore.
effectively gone as far as complaining, but I think that's just
related to the ups and downs that are maybe more
noticeable when you're drinking and all the effects on metabolism and
insulin sensitivity and so on, but it's like your general
tone and existence and demeanor is so much more stable in its positivity since you stopped drinking. So I just wanted to mention that because it's very noticeable.
That's interesting. Not that you were like bitch and moaning all the time before, but the change is very noticeable.
Yeah,'cause I feel like your bitching has gone up.


Yeah, you know.
Okay.
Something's not right happen. Yeah. No, I appreciate you saying that. I I feel as though
Well
I will say
You never know how much you should share on podcasts and whatnot, but I'm gonna just go out here. I I know my wife's gonna listen to this, but I might as well say anyway. You argue less when you're both not drinking. For sure. For sure. And you and I are always, you know, we've we've been known to text each other.
Various

grievances with our partners and people we've been seeing. So yeah, you need to do it. Yeah, you need to do it. You need an outlet with especially out.
It's like you need somebody to vet too. Yeah.
But I would say holistically
So if you even took the partner piece out of it, just in general, you're much more upbeat and it's noticeable. And you know, I wanna mention something that uh I'm pretty sure we haven't. I didn't want to repeat myself, so I used AI to summarize our last few random shows.
Mm.
And I a few things that I've done, I'm pretty sure, since our last conversation were interventions for health also. And the primary drivers behind that were not any type of medical emergency, but
I'm now caring for two family members who have rapidly deteriorating
cognitive health. And
This is very common in my family.
Lots of Parkinson's, lots of Alzheimer's in particular.
And what I've noticed is that some of these people who seem hardest hit by Alzheimer's.
are say Apo E three three. They shouldn't have a high
Predisposition to Alzheimer's, and I'm a Bowie three four, so I'm like.
Fuck.
If I'm as we understand it now, something like two point five times more likely than the
kind of population average.
Two
be predisposed to Alzheimer's. This is something I want to look at very, very closely because
There are some interventions out there and you and I have invested in hopefully some
new interventions to come in the forecoming years, but that's gonna take some time.
By the time the symptoms are really obvious, it's very, very hard to treat something like Alzheimer's, which doesn't mean that the interventions don't work. It just means they might not work at that stage. So I'm really trying to and I've already been taking a lot of mental health and
Cognitive.
kind of neuronal health things. Seriously. So I started wondering, and this is just a hypothesis, but
If you
It's possible.
that I have inherited some
mitochondrial dysfunction.
And
looked at ways to improve mitochondrial health, which would include increased zone two training, for instance. Right. I hate zone two, but yeah, it's so boring. It's annoying. It's like flossing. It's just like it's not fun. But it's
mild enough that you can throw on something on Netflix or listen to a podcast. So zone two.
It's boring, but you gotta do it.
And I've been finding more interesting ways to do that.
But in addition to that.
Looking at some old friends that I thought were worth dusting off and revisiting, like
ketosis and the ketogenic diet. So
I'll give you the punchline and then I'll back up. So.
Did uh
my blood draw and also an oral glucose tolerance test, which we should really talk about because that's just such an important tool in the toolkit to see
how sensitive you are with respect to insulin sensitivity or insensitive.
glucose disposal, et cetera. Getting fast in glucose isn't enough. You can get
False.
Good news if that's timed.
Luckily or well.
I've had my best
Lab results. And I get
Three or four tests a year.
Probably my best lab results in the last decade.
most recently, and I would attribute that to a few things. I used ketogenic diet.
Very straightforward. You have to figure out a few meals that work for you. For me, it was a big salad with like ribeye cut on top with some cheese. Like you have to figure out something that doesn't make you feel like a human cheesecl every day.
'Cause you really want to keep your protein moderate. You can't have too much protein.
on the ketogenic dot if you want to sustain high levels of
high millimolar concentration of ketones and I test all this with a finger brick. I shifted naturally, like ketosis first, to initiate some adaptations. And for everything I read, it takes about
I knew I didn't want to do it super long term. It's just too boring and too disgusting. And plus I really need to watch my lipid profile.
Yeah, that's my problem.
But based on
the reading that I was doing, it seemed like three to four weeks.
of serious ketosis was enough to initiate some durable changes. And then maybe if you do that, at least and this is speculation, but once every six months, once every year, that you can keep the the metabolic machinery.
where you want it. And so I did four weeks and I was like, enough.
But I started leaning into intermittent fasting towards the end of that.
And experimenting with
sixteen eight. So what that means is sixteen hours of fasting, eight hours of eating.
Eight hours could be
noon to eight o'clock could be two PM to ten. And
then continued with the ketogenic diet, but just two meals a day. Typically like one at two o'clock and then one at say, you know, eight or nine. And then shifted back to a non-ketogenic diet.
And this is going somewhere, folks, because the ketogenic diet may have nothing to do with it, but the combination of doing three to four weeks of ketosis and then doing intermittent fasting for the last two months, but at the time of my blood test, it was only about four weeks in.
my insulin sensitivity, which my family just as a team sucks at, right? Like genetically, I am not predisposed to having great glucose disposal or insulin sensitivity. And that's a huge driver for
accelerated neurodegenerative disease.
If you have high blood pressure, if you have
chronically elevated glucose.
Or insulin and or insulin. All of these things.
Drive.
uh degeneration cognitively. And people can learn all sorts of stuff about 168 intermittent fasting from Rhon Patrick and she's had a number of scientists on her podcast. There's also a guy I recommend with some reservation, but Martin Birkin, who really popularized his credit 168.
and worked with a lot of clients and his audience. So he had very interesting data, but his editorial tone is not for everybody. He will not die from confidence deficiency, I'll put it that way.
None the less his recommendations around
Intermittent fasting plus resistance training.
are very compelling. So
I I would suggest people check that out.
A byproduct of this
And this was very unexpected.
My mood
is so elevated and stable now.
It's
Kind of hard for me to believe that I didn't figure this out sooner.
And I think part of that was as a competitive athlete, especially growing up when we grew up, it was like okay.
small meals every like four hours, right? Something like that was the dogma. And
I think that was
A just enough
Smoke screen that I was able to cover up.
Insulin and sensitivity.
Because if I didn't eat frequently, I would start to crash and then get grumpy and then I would boost it back up with
Granted a healthy meal, but I was still
eating very, very consistently. And
In doing this, my
mood on average has just been so much higher.
So much more stable for I would say the last
Eight weeks? I don't have any intention of changing.
That's amazing. I think I could do the intermittent fasting.
Indefinitely. And on top of that, I'll say one of my concerns
And part of the reason I didn't try this sooner is that if you don't incorporate resistance training and if you don't get enough protein.
I was just gonna ask you that. You can lose a lot of muscle mass.
Right and I remember doing DEXA scans way back in the day. I started doing DEXA before the four hour body in twenty ten. And the owners of these DEXA facilities would tell me
the vast majority of people who try intermittent fasting.
think they're losing fat, but they're losing muscle mass. And their body composition goes upside down effectively. And
I judged it harshly, and I judged it.
prematurely. So in animal models, and also certainly if you look at what Martin and some of his clients have done.
That need not be the case.
And you're not necessarily gonna pack on tons of muscle, but you can lose fat while
preserving or moderately gaining muscle. So I'm still getting stronger.
In my workouts.
It's interesting how fat loss works too and Martin's
observe this, a lot of people have observed this, but
It's not
caloric deficit and you lose a predictable amount every week. Sure. If you were a closed system
Blah blah blah law of thermodynamics. Yeah, it should just be pure math. But what seems to happen, at least with me, is that it's like not really seeing anything, not really seeing anything, not really seeing anything. And then all of a sudden in week four or five.
you just seem to drop a lot of body fat. I don't have a great explanation for that, but I'm sure there is a good explanation.
It's that MCT oil that you're taking with the you're running to the bathroom. Yeah, just letting everything pass through. But what I will say is that
I have used just about every diet.
imaginable. And I would say one criticism I would have of some of what Martin recommends is he advises people to consume like
Somewhere along the lines if they can tolerate it like four hundred to eight hundred milligrams of caffeine a day.
To aid in fat loss. And yes, that will aid in fat loss.
Yeah, and lack of sleep. Yeah, I don't want the sleep architecture disruption.
And also, it's like you can get away with a lot.
If you're taking stimulants. And this is said as someone who for a long time, I was first introduced to pre-workout stimulants.
by an older student.
When I was wrestling in high school. Let me guess. It'll explode.
It was so Anno explode.
Little reds. Yeah. And it'll explode as like a later iteration, but at that point this guy was giving me the cobbled together.
You can't really do this anymore and I don't recommend it. Finn Finn and shit.
No, not fan fan. Ephedrin, caffeine, aspirin, the ECA stack. And that will rip.
body fat off of your body.
But you are not getting a biological free lunch. Like you are really hammering.
Yourself and your system.
Did you ever hit Broncade? Broncade is probably a Phedrin. Yeah, I know, but did you ever hit it when you were younger?
Actually an inhaler or what do you mean? Yeah, because that'cause that's what people would do. Like the bodybuilders would hit broncade and then they would put on sweatshirts and go like on the treadmill. Yeah, and they just sweat their faces off. No six pack abs. No. You would buy Primatine Mist tablets and don't do this, folks. It's not good for you. Also
If you try to buy private T Miss tablets now you have to show your driver's license because I believe you can there are labs or
Probably trailers is more
accurate description, people will use that as a precursor to produce methamphetamine.
is my understanding, which is why it's very tightly controlled. So
Suffice to say, don't do that. And I've been very wary of any regimen that requires a lot of stimulants is I guess
What I'm trying to say.
And the only time that I've reliably if you look at every single male in my family, it's kind of comical. Like you can spot them from a mile away. And like abdominal fat, I know this isn't unique to my family, but it's like nobody
in the history of my family on either side has ever had six pack abs, except for me when I was taking disgusting quantities of stimulants. But this time around doing the resistance training plus intermittent fasting. And yes, some of it could be explained by reduced caloric intake, but I think there's more to it.
The abdominal fat's finally coming off.
And this is at forty eight, you know, I'm no spring chicken. So I've been very impressed.
Any other pain?
Some of the benefits of a ketogenic diet have people say they joint pain goes away, they get some of these other things.
So another reason in addition to mitochondrial health
that I want to do ketosis is because of the potent anti inflammatory effects.
And some of the chronic back pain that long-term listeners will be sick of hearing about. So that was another reason why I did the ketosis. I felt the
anti-inflammatory effects of that much more so than just the in the intermittent fasting with a quote unquote regular diet that's higher in carbohydrates.

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Yeah.
I have also been
Adding in.
with my let's just call it normal diet, intermittent fasting.
exogenous ketones. So supplemental ketones in the morning. Because I also I want to give credit where credit is is due.
Ronda Patrick and I have had a lot of texts back and forth. Rhonda Patrick, for people who don't know, I think, God, did you uh maybe you introduced me to her age, she was like podcast number twelve for me out of eight hundred and something, which I didn't realize. It was so early. She's a PhD, she is a scientist and researcher. She has published
in very credible journals and it's just a great resource for separating fact fiction in so many different domains. And her dad, I believe it was, was diagnosed with Parkinson's, and she's been public about this.
And so we were trading notes on all different things and we were talking about
Ketosis and if you're in ketosis, what about intermittent fasting? If you have a tablespoon of
Heavy cream in your coffee in the beginning? Are you sacrificing autophagy, you know, this kind of cellular self eating slash cleanup?
And
She sent me a case study of an Alzheimer's patient.
Pretty
progressed Alzheimer's like very impaired function who was given a
ketone monoester so this is a liquid that you just basically just a shot two or three times a day and the
I recognize this as N of one, so take it with a huge grain of salt, but still
A huge regain in function.
I mean astonishing recovery of function and mood and personality. So I figured, well, let me experiment with this because I might want to suggest it to people in my family, but I'm not going to do that until I understand exactly what I'm dealing with from a first person perspective.
And adding in, for instance, one option, a mutual friend of ours, I'm not gonna dox him, but recommended ketone q I T O N E. And it's a powder that you can add into your coffee and mix up as a creamer, which is what I do.
Wait, can we ask you one question, Tim, before you go on with this one? You and I were on a call not a public call, but a
Phone call.
And you can mention that you found the best
Basically ketones on the market that you believed in that time. And this was recently. So yeah. Are these the ones? These are not those ones in part because this is gonna make you sound like a dick. I will share that one soon.
They're very expensive. I'll tell you offline the reason and people are gonna hate me for saying this, but it's like
I want this stuff for my family and this producer has very, very limited inventory. So I want to make sure that I can get this stuff. And furthermore.
I think it's really premature to start just like dosing your elderly parents or aunts and uncles with this. I still have some open questions about concerns and long term health, et cetera. So I want to do some more digging. This is not that one.
Okay. Is this one palatable?
This one is palatable.
'Cause you should tell people with like the hardcore stuff is no joke, right? Like it's almost cruel to be giving it to someone with dementia and that you're ask asking them to chug gasoline.
Yeah, I thought it was gonna be worse than it is, but I also have a stomach of iron and have choked down so much disgusting shit over my life that I think

I mean, I was having dating a lovely girl right now and I made some salad and she tried to eat it. She's like, This is inedible. This is so disgusting. Why did you put so much vinegar on it? And I did put way too much vinegar on it. And like she almost puked at the table and I was like, what are you talking about? I'm just shoving it down my maw.
So I don't know if I'm the best reference for palatable.
But they've improved a lot. They used to taste like jet fuel.
based on reports. And I wasn't even willing to do it because literally I think he's been public about this. Peter Atiya.
Famous doc, trended Hopkins, Stanford, et cetera. A lot of people will know him.
He told me about the first time he tried.
the OG ketone mono esters and he took a shot and he basically had to run to the sink and like white knuckle the sides of the sink as he's dry heaving for like 10 minutes.
And I was like no thanks. No thanks.
But this keetone, the Q-I-T-O-N E
It is very palatable. You just mix it in with your coffee. What I will say to folks is just public service announcement, your GI distress may vary. So you might be fine.
You might not with an immodium, you'll be fine. Yeah. So and and of particular danger.
is caffeine, ketones, and creatine, which is also great. But if yeah, if you take
Any two of those four, you're in the danger zone. If you take three or four out of the four.
There's uh coin toss disaster pants. So just stay close to the bathroom. You do get used to it, but I just used this ketone this morning.
For instance, because the
Stuff at some point that I hope to share when they get their production ramped up.
Number one.
It does taste pretty
awful. It's pretty god awful. And then second
It's very expensive. I mean it's like
twenty to thirty dollars a dose.
Wow.
It's very, very expensive. So if you're gonna be giving
someone this particular
exogenous ketone two or three times a day on an ongoing basis.
We have to figure out a more economical solution because outside of the one percent of one percent, no one's gonna be able to afford that.
So Tim, for people that are listening and they they're hearing you talk about two different ketones here.
It begs the question, like if you are
pricking yourself, doing a blood work afterwards and finding out where your ketone levels are.
Or peeing on a strip or however you're doing it.
Obviously.
you can tell that these things work and I've done it myself because you take them and then you literally go do the test and
You know, and a half hour later, for five minutes later, you see that your ketone bodies are elevated and you're like, Okay, it's in my system, it's working. Yeah. And and I don't know about you, but I can feel it. It's like a light switch. Absolutely feel cognitively, your brain.
Also cardiac tissue.
loves ketones.
Yes, brain juice. It's just like it's brain juice and finish what you're saying and then I'll add something else. My question for you is
Why would you even consider the more expensive twenty to thirty dollars when there are so many other
Readily available, you know, call it in the five to seven dollar kind of range.
ketones that are out there on market, like what are the advantages of that thirty dollar model?
It's hard for me not to dox a supplier by giving too much detail, but I what I will say is this.
Subjectively.
And I've checked with a few people who've tested it.
Nothing feels like these ketones.
Really? Nothing. Not even close.
It's the Bugatti of exogenous keto. It's like you you flip on the switch
And for instance
I'm doing a lot of media interviews and stuff right now'cause of the this coyote game and we could talk about that at some point. I mean that's very analog as analog as it gets. I'm doing a lot of media and historically
What would I have done?
Because I want to be sharp.
Even in the afternoon I would have tea or coffee.
But then that fucks up your sleep so badly.
And it turns into this vicious cycle. So now
I just take
The exogenous ketones in the afternoons.
And if anything, it's gonna help you sleep.
Which is something you observe with the ketogenic diet that's really
Wild is that your
at least personally, and this is true for a lot of people, your sleep requirements go down.
And when you wake up
I'm not a morning person historically. It doesn't take me an hour to get up to speed.
When I'm in ketosis.
I wake up and I am ready to go. Nine or ten out of ten. So I would say
For a lot of folks though.
At least based on the
reviews and reports that I've read, the diester, this ketone Q I T O N E, it's more than enough.
to get a taste test for whether or not
you're gonna get any response. It's hard for me to imagine anyone not getting a response because we're evolved.
to produce and consume ketones. And I'll just say also that I have found it very helpful to think of Alzheimer's, and this is simplifying things, and I'm not the first person to say this, as type three diabetes.
Brain diabetes.
And
That is part of the reason why this is so interesting to me, not only as a possible treatment or something that could reduce
Symptoms maybe restore function.
But also for preventative purposes.
If I can do as I did for a long time, I did for many years, I did a seven day water only fast per year, and then I would do a three day water only fast once a quarter, I still think that's a good idea.
But for whatever reason in the last few years, I became less tolerant of that.
I would do a seven day fast and I would get really dizzy if I stood up. I would have memory problems, and I think it was increasing insulin insensitivity.
Hm.
In part.
That caused that.
And now that I'm doing this
Sixteen eight intermittent fasting.
And I'll occasionally just switch it up. And you know, ketosis takes a little while to get into. So there's a bit of an on ramp. But now that I'm doing this and also feeding my system with exogenous ketones, my working hypothesis is that I'm keeping that ketone machinery busy so that it doesn't atrophy.

And my expectation is, and I'm gonna test this again soon.
is the next time I do three days pretty easy.
For me at this point, but a seven day, let's just say water only fast. By the way, you don't need to lose much, if any, muscle mass doing that either. But that's a whole separate conversation. But it's kind of
Counterintuitive.
I will be able to test this hypothesis. Did all this stuff help? Does doing I think doing sixteen eight by itself probably
helps you with an extended fast. So we'll see. We'll see. But my feeling is that
I'm late to the party in a sense, but
that intermittent fasting is very interesting and it's
Compelling from a
Compliance perspective because for instance
Well, I just think of my parents or anybody. It's like I can get so many people to change their behavior on the planet and my parents will not listen to a thing I say. So
It's very hard to get people to change what they eat.
I think it's easier to change when people eat.
Mm.
And just from the perspective of trying to grease the wheels for behavioral change and people who are resistant who or who have failed a lot before.
This is very interesting. Yeah.
People really underestimate
what snacking does to keep their glucose levels elevated.
Because when you have that full eight hours plus of downtime of no eating
And you really give your body a chance to like for me, I'm just like you, where I did a glucose tolerance test.
And I stay elevated for way too long.
For people that don't know, when you go to a fancy doc like Peter Tia or some of these other
Concierge doctors.
And you can ask your normal GP to do this and some of them will if you have a cool one.
And they're on top of it, but they'll essentially sit down with you and they will
give you a straight glucose drink. So it's
Think of like Gatorade syrup. Like if it were just pure syrup, right? And you drink that, and then they're going to one, draw your blood at baseline, and then they'll pick intervals. I can't remember what it is, Tim, do you know at the top of your head? Yeah. Every thirty minutes for two hours.
Right. And then they're testing for insulin's response and also worries your glucose over time. And ideally you want to see a spike up, not too high, and then a rapid kind of return to normal baseline, right?
And mine just stays elevated for like five X too long.
Yeah, you know, it just hovers around that like one thirty five.
Forever. And it just
You know, so that could mean my muscles aren't sensitized, they're not taking up enough glucose, there's
I have metabolic dysfunction, it could be a handful of different things. And so
I'm actually taking a different approach than you.
In that I
Also been talking to Ronda a lot. Fun of Front. Poor Rhonda. Yeah, exactly. Poor Rhonda. So she told me not too long ago, maybe this was like six months ago, she was like, There are people, and this is not an endorsement of this, but there are people that are micro dosing GLP ones now.
Yeah.
So I want to hear more about this.
Yeah, so I started microdosing
Basically about


Zet bound. Right. It goes by zip bound or uh on the glucose side.
Mongiro for people that have glucose and diabetes issues. So there's two brands for it. Setbound is what if you want the fat loss. It's the same drug.
So essentially
The lowest dose you can get that in is two and a half milligrams, but they sell it in vials now. So
If you grab a yourself an insulin syringe
You can give yourself a little under what is it the insulin syringe is a little under one unit, basically. IU. Yeah, international. Yeah.
Yeah, so a little under one unit of that
Compound and
I notice immediately, not immediately, but over the course of a week, because that's how long you you microdose it for.
I have lower
just standard resting glucose. And then also my spikes don't get near as high. I probably trim
thirty percent off the spikes and my return to baseline.
Is so much better.
And so I'm kind of repairing that through a little bit of a hack. And so there's a bunch of people now
That are starting to think of this as more of a
Longevity drug and we've known this that
People that take these drugs they have fewer cardiovascular events. You know, like there's so there are other benefits of GLP ones.
other than just can I look good, right? So obviously I'm not doing it for the weight loss.
I need more for weight loss.
But you know, if I can say one ab, I'm not gonna be pissed.
I'll take a two pack at this point. No, exactly. But try the sixteen eight, man. It's been it's been wild to watch.
Well, I mean, you're talking to the guy that created zero the intermittent fast. Yeah, yeah. Like I I I've definitely done my fair share of sixteen eighth. Just like it takes some time, just like the long term durable changes.
And I don't mean indefinite changes, but with the ketogenic dial, like it really took a few weeks and then there was a step function in terms of change. A few more things about GLP one agonists, so
I have some of my relatives with the neurodegenerative disease on
Trisepotite, low dose trzepotite. And by the way, folks, talk to your doctors. We are fucking not doctors. We're clowns on the internet. So just like this is bro science at best. At best. Yeah. Bro science be by us. So
They're on turse epidite. That's with supervision of very competent doctors for the metabolic dysfunction.
Primarily, so glucose control, et cetera.
Some of these, and I'm not sure which in particular have been studied, but uh some of these GLP ones appear to have neuroprotective effects.
Also.
So that is very interesting to me.
There's actually I think they're called DORAS as sleep medication also appear to have some neuroprotective effects.
Primarily
Or at least relevant to me, related to Alzheimer's. What was the name of the one? I can't remember the name of it.
The sleep medication.
It's a class. So let me
Get this right. There's a name for that. I just got
A prescription to one of these.
And I had to pay out of pocket for it because I didn't qualify obviously for insurance.
And it was insane.
Well let me just finish my thought for a second here. Yeah, yeah. So I want to hear about this. So I said Nora or Dora. I think I'm thinking of uh mixing up my words here, but I'm pretty sure and do your homework, folks, that Dora.
is dual erection receptor antagonists.
And I've been thinking because you and I
Probably still use.
occasional or continuous Trazodone for help with sleep.
I don't use trans donate anymore. You don't. Okay. I've been thinking of replacing that with a Dora, obviously with medical supervision because
Now that I'm an adult and I can see what's going on.'Cause as a kid, I had a grandmother who
kind of disintegrated under the weight of Alzheimer's, but I was too young to really know what was going on. Now that I'm an adult and I can see
the personality changes the anxiety, the depression, everything that comes with it.
I am looking for a full stack.
Uh
Capped downside, ideally well studied, low risk, but potential upside interventions. So you tried some of these. What happened?
Yeah, I have one. I'm trying to find the name of it. I'll have to go on to my pharmacy and and look.
You know your pharmacy.
Well, I have a online pharmacy.
No, but it's like legit. It's Amazon pharmacy, I'll just say Amazon pharmacy. So just have like a dedicated next to your red room, you have a dedicated pharmacy.

You're the one with the
Bitch.
Well yeah, that's true. That's true. Get that out. Tomato tomato.
Yeah. Exactly. Whatever floats your boat.
So I tried Delsama.
No idea.
Sounds like a Japanimation character.
Yeah, exactly.

So Belsama is the one that I tried and it was I wanna say a
About
six hundred dollars off prescription, which was just insane.
Yeah, it's pricey.
But you know, I just wanted to see what it would do.
Yeah, yeah, it was it's six hundred dollars.
So
So far, I only tried it one time and it was it was great, but I I don't know. I I've also been sleeping a lot better now that I have not quit alcohol, you know? Yeah. And so I would say that I I need to try it again.
So that I it's on my to do list. It's sitting in the the cabinet. I'll give you some next time you come.
When get your doctor to say that you're allowed to ask you. Yeah, yeah, okay. Black market bro trades.
What could go wrong?
Give me some of your ketones. Uh your ketones. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
My off the back of a truck Bugatti ketones.
Not to make this like the Rhonda show, but I want to give her two more nods.
Two other changes I've made.
Ten grams of creatine.
No, I've been doing that for a long, long time, but I have upped the quantity, yeah. And actually if I'm feeling a deprived of sleep, like my HR V my heart rate variability was really low this morning. So I took twenty grams today to try to compensate for
some of the effects of sleep deprivation, but the most important, maybe most important one is that I reduce the temperature of my sauna based on some conversations with R so I'm no longer doing 194 plus throwing lots of water on the rocks, which is what I've been doing for many, many years.
Yeah it's fine, but I I reduced it to like one seventy five, one eighty.
Yeah.
And
That's based on some literature and studies that
Rhonda cited out of Finland. Now, I don't know how well designed these are. I haven't read them myself, but I'm like, you know what? It kind of makes sense to me. I mean, I feel like
I am cooking a steak.
And my head happens to be the stake at one ninety four plus.
Whereas at one eighty
It's less
Microwave in my head and more of a full body
Thermic effect.
Could be actually something that accelerates dementia. So it's like, oh, good Lord. Okay. Well, she found a study that the too hot is not.
Good for you. Like there actually was a study that showed that you get the the inverse at too hot. Yeah. And that one seventy four ish, five ish is kind of the sweet spot for 20 minutes.
Are you wearing a felt hat?
I'm not wearing a felt hat, I probably should.
Because I don't know.
Yeah,'cause I'll get hot enough wearing the uh I guess it's a wool hat.
Yeah, the the the pros. That's what I mean. Yeah, if you go to like Coney Island or some of these Russian with people with lots of tattoos you shouldn't fuck around with, then not only will they have the hat.
Have you ever seen them wear in the oven mitts?
The wool miss.
Yeah, there are these like they look like oven mitts. There are these wool
mittens that the super hardcore will wear. And then I gotta get that. Sit in there forever. And people might think, wait, doesn't wool keep you warm? It's like well actually wool can do both because it's an insulator. So it can keep the cold out, but can also keep
the hot out.
From
what it's covering. So that's a good point. I should start wearing my little Keebler elf hat again. I do have one here.
The other one that I'll I'll mention just because I'm sure there are people listening who have
If not chronic pain, then occasional pain. I mean, particularly as you just accumulate life.
You get bumps and bruises along the way.
I have begun to and I don't I really try not to take oral anti inflammatories much at all. There was about a year and a half when I was on prescription anti inflammatories and all this stuff, which is is
Just systemically not great for you, but I needed it at the time for back pain. Curcumin phytosome from Thorn.
So really switching from N seds like ibuprofen, aka Advil, or Naproxin sodium, aka elev, just shifting away from that stuff.
Two
Kirk Human. Everybody should read the blog post I wrote called No Biological Free Lunch, but like
There is some trade off. And part of the reason I stopped using Kirk Human on a regular basis, which also
Seems to have some
Potential.
Effects on
slowing the onset of
neurodegenerative disease like Alzheimer's. So it seems to have a lot of applications. But if I used it daily for say a week or two and then I stopped, I would be incredibly sore.
For a few days afterwards. And I was like uh
I don't love that. So I'll probably cycle on and off, but I have shifted to
Thornbrand and I have no dog in that fight. Nothing to gain from saying that Kirk Human to fight his own. Those are a few. Now you've got a lot on your list. I haven't gone too far into
The Google Doc, but
Where should we start? We've covered well, where should we start? We've already started. Before we move on from this topic, though, I think it's important to mention.
Is that when I first started doing the ketogenic diet with Petertia as my physician.
He was running my blood work and
I am one of the unique individuals that because heart disease runs in my family.
I have that genetic marker that essentially hates saturated fat.
And so my Ape O B shot up through the roof so much so that he goes, he freaked out and he was like, Okay.
You can never do the ketogenic diet again. Abort. Abort. Yeah, abort.
So if you're gonna do the ketogenic diet, definitely get your blood work done. Check your AB, make sure you're working with your doc. Like it's it's not a free lunch for everyone. No, it's not. And also I'll say some cholesterol.
Hyper
absorber. So I also have to be very careful of saturated fat intake. So if I'm not in ketosis, I do really do watch any type of saturated fat intake. Also have to be careful around MCT oil to a certain extent, but since I am on
medication already.
for controlling some of that.
my body was actually able to tolerate the ketogenic quite well. But the point of all of this
is you need a professional tracking this and helping you to understand what you're working with.
Because I mean the number of people
Who got really into back in the day bulletproof coffee.
Oh my God. I had so many of those. And then realized oh shit.
my labs are so bad that I it looks like I could have a heart attack tomorrow. You just have to know thyself and
that begins with measurement and professional guidance. So yeah, thanks for saying that.
Yeah.
All right, let's talk about uh
People in your house.
Yeah.

One of the things I've been thinking about lately is
how one approaches modern day home security.
In terms of like how you protect yourself. So it was one of the things I wanted to ask you.
Yeah.
what you're doing at home because
One of the things that
I had recently
Was a homeless person in my closet.
I thought you were screwing with me, but this is actually a real thing.
Yeah, so so basically what happened is
I I only say my closet because we ended up
Getting the place.
Real quick for people that w aren't aware, uh I was part of those crazy fires that happened out in California.
We lost our house, everybody was safe and sound, which is great, and we moved into a apartment.
And recently I found a new place to move into.
We were touring the house.
And
My wife is upstairs, she walks out of the room.
And
She looks at the person that's showing us the house and goes, um, there's somebody in the closet.
And I'm like
What are you talking about? It's an empty house, like a brand new empty house.
What are you talking about? And she goes, Yeah.
I opened the closet door, he was
Crunch down in the corner.
And he puts his finger up to his lips and goes shh.
Like don't tell anybody. Like nothing more creepy than that.
And he walks out and he's like, Hey
And we're like
Who are you? And he's like, Yeah, I just you know, I just live in here.
And he ended up being like a really nice guy.
I was actually kind of impressed because he goes, you know.
I make the bed every day.
I wash my clothes here because there's a washer and dryer here.
And I just I'm keeping the place nice.
But he goes, This is what I do. I
Felt really bad for him because he said he worked at a car wash.
He makes five hundred dollars a month, he can't afford a place to live.
And this is what he does. He just crashes in in homes that are under construction in their like newly built homes.
And he was then he started bragging, he's like you won't believe so on the mansions I've lived in, I've lived in crazy places
And I was like, This is crazy.
And it's so
He leaves and then he won't leave like he's standing in the driveway, like just standing out there, and we're like, Hey, buddy, like you kinda have to go, you know?
Yeah. And then he just stands there and we like shut the door. We're like, okay, clearly he's not of complete of sound mind, but he's a nice enough guy.
Yeah. And eventually
He knocks on the door again and he's like
I left all my stuff in the cupboards there, and he had all this stuff in the cupboards. Peanut butter and like all the stuff, and I was just like, Ah, this poor guy. So
We ended up sending him some he has cell phone, so we the guy at the realtor was nice enough to send him some some cash to like help him, you know, get a meal that night and whatnot. But
It makes you think, especially, I mean, when I was younger, listen, I lived in some really shitty alleys and bad places in San Francisco. So I'm fine with that. But when you have kids, like it's a different story. It's a different story, right? And
So I I immediately started thinking like what
What do you do? And so I went and did some research online
Yeah, and this is one of the pepper sprays that I found
All the
Home defense stuff that I had before burned in the fire.
Yeah. And so I'm basically starting from scratch. And so I bought
Two pepper sprays and a taser.
And I'm just
Just wondering what does Tim Ferris do for home protection?
I know you do. You got a AR fifteen and shit. Well,
This is not let's see. There are not weapon advice. No, this yeah, this is not professional weapons. Talk to your professional armorer. Yeah, exactly.
All right, so I would say a few things.
For me.
Step number one.
There are a few things. We can say how do we get really good at
pulling people out of the river, but then there's like why are people falling in the river in the first place? And um it's actually Desmond Tutu paraphrase, but the
Point of that is that
There's what do I do when someone's in my house?
Or who it comes to my house. And then there's
How do we just prevent that from happening in the first place?
There's
Serendipitous accidental slash unpredictable.
Randomness?
And then there's like premeditated trying to find you.
So I would say that
For me, step number one is
Choosing very carefully where you live.
If you can. And secondly, just paying a lot of attention to privacy.
So if you might have people who are going to seek you out, and this is gonna become an increasingly relevant problem for anyone who even becomes micro famous for a second.
You think it might not happen? You have
Who knows, you're doing something funny, you end up with three thousand followers.
on Instagram or TikTok or wherever, three thousand people is a lot of people.
Yeah, all it takes is one crazy one. All it takes is one crazy one.
And for that reason, there are lots of basics and none of these are foolproof, but it's like buying your home through an entity of some type, which doesn't need to cost a lot of money, but simply to cut down on how easy it is for casual
kind of fair weather stalkers to find you, never having anything shipped to your home address, always having a UPS store or
as some type of mailbox where everything is sent.
Because if someone, for instance, sends a
anything to your house. Maybe they're trying to be really nice. It's a friend of yours and they send you
one eight hundred flowers not to this is not a real example. I'm just making that up, but they
They send you flowers and
those businesses rent and trade and maybe even sell mailing lists as part of their business. Or they get hacked.
Or they get hacked, like before you know it.
You're doxxed.
Your home address is everywhere. So I would say that
Thinking about
Privacy.
And honestly, trying to red team yourself, that's just to say we won't get into what that actually means, but it's
The basics are
Have one of your friends who's smart.
Pretend to be
A stalker.
And try to find you, right?
Preferably somebody who has some technical chops or is or is at least tech savvy, because just because someone's
Crazy does not mean they're stupid. They're actually a lot of
unstable smart people out there.
So that's step number one for me. Since taking all of that stuff seriously, I've very rarely had to deal with.
Any type of
Stalker closet. People in my I haven't Yeah, the people in the closet are a thing of the past. And
College years.
Yeah, that I would say
I never thought that high rise's condos would be of any interest to me, but there are added layers of security.
So
My place in Austin is like way the hell off a ground floor. There are multiple I don't want to say security points, but you need
A key and a fob to get through the elevators and to get past the front desk and to do these various things. So I would also consider.
That is a viable option.
if you currently have or expect to have any type of real public exposure.
Right. And again, this seems like a problem for the one percent of the one percent of the top creators. That's not going to be the case.
And increasingly this is a problem even for people who are micro famous to a few thousand people. So that's step number one, but you're very savvy with a lot of that kind of stuff.
On a home security level, and you mentioned the kids.
You and I have shot firearms together, we did.
Three gun shooting training with
Terran tactical?
Way back in the day, before he was ever. Tim Ferris experiment. Yeah. Yeah, good for him. Yeah, we did a lot with Taryn over the span of a few days, like a bunch of training before he did the John Wick movies and everything else, right? That's where Keanu Reese trained. That's an amazing spot. So we both know how to shoot guns, and and I have firearms and so on.
I'm not recommending that for everybody. If I had kids, I would rethink that.
really, really strongly. Cause kids are smart. And yes, you can have like biometric safes and this, that, and the other thing. But you know, Jim Jefferys does sort of a
a hilarious and tragically
Realistic.
Reenactment of
Gun stuff.
In the US. He's from Australia. He's hilarious and very politically incorrect. If you want to check out his comedy, he's been on the podcast too.
But basically it's like if you want your guns ready to go, you need to be able to get them quickly.
Okay.
But if you want them secure enough that your kids are insured against some type of horrible accident, which is sadly pretty common.

then you need them really, really
fail safe in their protection, right? So you're they're sort of moving the right direction with taser and so on. Some people obviously have physical security. I think physical security is often overrated compared to digital security, frankly.
So for instance, it's like if you have physical security
for a portion of the day or at your home, and then you're constantly posting where you are on social media in real time. Or you're putting your family on
actually publicly accessible social media. It's like I I remember this friend of mine
Wasn't really thinking about it, right? Because he doesn't have a lot of exposure to crazy people, but has become
better known in his niche sphere, and
And he was at the grocery store with his kids and somebody recognized his kid and was like, Oh, that's so and so.
Oh, like recognized his kid, not him.
Right. That's spooky as fuck.
Yeah, people have done that with my dog.
Yeah they actually see toaster and they're like, Oh, there's toaster and I'm not even there.
Yeah. And they they see toaster and they can recognize them, which is crazy. So I would say if you're intending on having people familiar with how to use a taser or pepper spray or any of that stuff, first of all, even with firearms, most police officers in a pinch will not be able to hit someone under dark conditions.
at any decent distance. I mean, and that's not to insult police officers. It's very, very hard, which is why people use the bear spray instead of
firearms oftentimes with bears. It's just easier to get the job done. Uh so you might consider because that little pepper spray that you just showed me, the effective range of that is probably gonna be pretty low. It's like ten feet, yeah.
But it is the highest concentration. Like this is like the the heat test, you know they have those ratings on them. Yeah. This is the highest legal concentration you can get, which I think is like two point four and air spray that you can hit about twenty five feet.
Yeah. And I mean if you get to that point, right, and with a taser, I've I've played around with tasers before.
Amazing tool.
But
Just like anything else, it takes a good amount of practice to be able to hit anything with that.
particularly under duress, right? So what I'm training for, say, bow hunting
Which you know I've done for ten plus years now.
The way that I'll train a lot of the time as I'm getting closer to the season is I'll do a bunch of kettlebell swings outside until my heart rate is peaking.
My hands are kinda shaking.
And then I will grab the bow. I have the ability to shoot one arrow. That's it.
That's a pass fail.
And practicing under those heightened conditions, I think is important if you're gonna take it seriously. But when I've talked to my military friends, I know this is like uncorking a lot here, but
Sure, they're very good with handguns.
And they're uh very good, certainly with kind of their primary weapon system.
And
I'll talk to some of them about, say, hand to hand combat stuff. And yes, they're fundamentally
if they get to tier one operator, they're kind of mutants and they're physically very, very, very impressive.
And all of them can fight hand to hand. But the point they'll make, because they're not trying to become a black belt in Jiu Jitsu necessarily, although some of them are, they'll say if it gets to the point where I am having hand to hand combat,
Seventeen things have gone wrong.

Like you never want to get to that point. Sure. You want to know enough that you can cover the base, but like if it ever got to the point where you're tasing someone.
Or your wife is having to use pepper spray.
A lot of things.
proceeding and preventing that.
would have had to have gone wrong.
Right.
So I don't know if that's a satisfying answer.
I do think
And I'm saying this is someone who takes certain
Precautions for
natural disaster, etcetera. But a lot of the prepper stuff.
Misses the plot, I think.
past a certain point.
And as much as we would all like to think that we're Steven Seagall
In the movies, not in real life. Plus
Jason Bourne plus like American Sniper, or not, trust me.
It's like
So an outs of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
For sure. I mean, how are you thinking about it?
Because
I mean you're living
in LA where
It's not exactly
marauders in Mad Max, but like you there there are some issues, right?
It is certainly depending on the block you're on.
a roll of the dice on who's going to confront you and that becomes
Very clear at about three A. M. every night.
Yeah. Because you just hear the zombies in the street that are strung out, screaming their brains out, like just going crazy.
Yeah. And so
It's less about someone's
going to rob me. It's more who's gonna stumble into the yard or hop the fence or whatever it may be. So
I've already put up those little spikies that will
cut you wide open if you try and hop the fans. So those are Yeah, you get those on Amazon. I got those.
I put those all around the perimeter. That's been good.

I think about the pepper spray is more like I'm taking my kids out to the park or out to some place where, you know, you could
Bounce into someone and
For me, it's just like I don't want to engage. Like could I take out
A crazy person No, you don't want their nobody's gonna win. Everybody's gonna get hurt. And if they have a knife, you're gonna get stabbed or cut. Right. There's there's no way around it. You're not gonna pull.
I mean, look, I'm sure there are some people out there who are master ninja disarmers, but here's what you can do. And I think Crab Maga has a lot to offer, but it sometimes instills a false sense of confidence in people. If you think you can disarm someone with a knife.
To have somebody take a nice big highlighter, hold on to it.
and be like, I'll give you ten bucks for every mark you can leave on me.
And see what happens.
You're gonna get covered in highlighter.
Yeah.
Those are all cuts.
So it's not worth engaging.
So I think if I had to bet, I'm sure other folks are gonna have
Good ideas here, but
I think spray is probably the way to go. Yeah, spray's the way to go. It's gonna have the most margin for error.
And you'll have more rounds per se.
than a taser if you miss fire or you miss the target.
Yeah.
Yeah, fun time though. People in your closet.


That was the weirdest house showing I've ever been to. I could also totally see your wife.
Just going. Um
There's a person in the closet.

Right, exactly.
Like it didn't fit out at all. Very calmly.


It was it was very strange. I had to I I'm glad I kept my cool because I was just like
I get very
Protective of
Especially if my my kids are there, you know?
And so it just, yeah, he ended up being a very nice guy.
Yeah, and you know, when I was younger, you know, growing up as a townie with a rat tail working in the restaurants on Eastern Long Island, where there are a lot of wealthy people, I would look at them with the hedges and all the protection, and I would just think to myself, what a bunch of assholes. Like they think they're so important, blah, blah, blah.
And now I'm like, Yeah, okay.
I get it. You don't want some weirdo just like
Digesting everything you're doing in the house like someone watching TV.
There are a lot of unstable people out there. I hate to say it.
And it's not like they're the majority of the population, but
It just takes one.
It's funny, I was walking through a grocery store the other day and here in LA
And
It's so strange because I had this flashback as when I was a kid.
And my dad would essentially just say like okay, go have fun.
In the grocery store. Oh yeah. So I just run around and go to the toy aisle and see what they had and just like, you know
Try and like grab some Twinkies and sneak them into the cart when he wasn't seeing and you know, stuff like that. That was like my childhood.
And I looked around
And I was like, I don't want my kids out of my sight.
Like it was just filled with
I mean there was a lot of people there that were clearly had
We either were on drugs or it just
Taken a step too far in that direction.
And we just didn't have that. It wasn't like
I was standard kind of lower middle class growing up. It just was the drugs weren't as hardcore.
You know, we would have alcoholics.
Like that was like kind of it. Like if you saw somebody down on their lock, they were like an alcoholic.
Right.
And now you see people that are uh sadly just don't have the care and they're talking to themselves and you know, it's
Brutal. It's really brutal and it's tough because there's no easy fix, you know?
Yeah. So
Throwing stars and sharks with lasers, folks. I think that's where we've been. I have throwing stars as a kid. So dangerous. Another thing that I was allowed to do.
Another thing literally, I just threw out my throwing stars that I got from Asian world of martial arts magazine, like catalog. I think they shipped it from Philadelphia.
And I'm just like, I cannot believe I was allowed to play with these. Because what happens? You like throw a throwing star at a tree, it just bounces back and shoots right back at you. Like that's No, no, no, no. Here's what we did. So this was the hack. A hundred percent they would just bounce back at you. So my dad, for some unknown reason, let me go into the garage.
And uses like metal
grinder polisher to like to make them sharper. I made them sharp. And so mine would stick in the tree. And so you would go to our front yard and there were like all these holes in our tree.
From me just throwing throwing stars and like
I think he like kind of looked down and was like, Oh, that's cool. You know, the kids are throwing stars at the tree. Different world. I'm just different world. Amazed that I'm alive, honestly. But that was the same era where he would just be like, We're going to the grocery store, jump in the back of the pickup.
And put your arms over the side. And yeah, the the the word of advice was like lean up against the back. So your backs are touching the back of the pickup. You're protected. Yes, you're protected. The brace position in an airplane in case of impact. You're like exactly. Yeah, that's gonna do a whole lot. I mean, I remember
Sorry, I'll shut up on the reminiscing, but it is kinda wild.
So I was into skateboarding. I was never you you were too. I was never terribly good at it, but I had like confidence way and enthusiasm way beyond my capabilities.
And uh my parents, to their credit, were cool. They made a homemade quarter pipe.
Right. No.
That sounds cool and I loved it, but homemade quarterpipe, like the angles aren't quite right.
And the way that
We would use this'cause like there's just like grass and gravel around is drag it out.
And like a cars would go by and then you drag the quarter pipe out into the street. Yes, we didn't start skateboarding and then try not to get hit by traffic and then pull it back.

We would just leave a quarter pipe sitting in the street and just like and then they'd be like drag it back to the sidewalk and we'd like drag it back. And then I used to I had a trampoline in my backyard. I was lucky enough my my dad eventually bought us a trampoline at Costco.
And I used to
Climb on my roof and jump off the roof onto the trampoline.
And he would hear me climbing on the roof and he'd come out and be like
Get off the damn roof. And that was kinda it. And then he just like watched me jump off the roof onto my back on the trampoline.
Yeah.
Well
By consequence of
Many miracles we are still there today. Exactly.
Exactly. Explains the back pain. Yeah, explain. Yeah, no shit. Jesus. The no yeah, it's not not exactly a total mystery. So I want to hear about something that you texted me and people might be.
Who knows? I think it's interesting. Let's let's hear about we got books book recommendations coming. We got
All sorts of stuff coming, so don't skip out.
Also, shameless plug, coyote game.com, just in case it doesn't come up later. It's gone fucking bananas right now, which we should talk about, but it's awesome. Why is you texted me
And so gent go gentle here.
And what I said exactly. Okay.
All right, you know what? I'm not even gonna say it'cause I don't wanna misstep and then
put more work on my post production. All right. What did you say to me?
Well we were talking about venture capital funds. We were talking about venture capital. And what did you say?
The way that I put it is that you had asked me
about investing in certain funds.
And I said I would be careful
Because I believe that venture
is in a very
They're not necessarily on sound.
Footing.
right now? Yeah. This is like the most doctored Kevin I've ever seen. I know. I know. Well well I work in Venture Capital, so that's probably part of the reason why so I have to be careful in what I say here.
So is it fair to say that the gist of what you're saying is VC is gonna get uh venture capital is gonna get a lot harder.
I believe it's going to be a lot harder for early stage funds.
Let's first start with the problem and what's changed. So
Essentially.
What we've seen
And historically but venture capital is a venture capital can be a fantastic return for investors if done right.
Because you get into early stage predominantly technology startups.
You're doing venture on the tech side.
And you know, if you get into the next
Uber or open AI or whatever, you know, pick your unicorn
The returns are just insane and they outpace that of pretty much all public
SP or whatever it may be, it's it's just a good asset class to be invested in. Not to have all of your eggs in that basket, but you certainly a lot of professional investors would want some exposure to venture. Endowments want exposure, universities,
That's where a lot of the LPs, the limited partners that invest in these funds come from.
It's also how the GPs make a lot of their management fees. Yum yum yum. That's right. Yeah, so yum yum.
Yeah.
So partners at firms both get management fees and they also get upside
In the return on those funds. And also for people who have not
enough context and I would have said this in the intro somewhere, but like you have a ridiculous track record.
With
Not just creating companies, but investing in super early stage companies. And I've said this to a lot of people, like you're a rare breed because
You are good.
very good at investing in a whole lot of different asset classes at
different stages of size and growth. And it's just it's very hard to do that. So I just want to understand that Kevin is speaking from a place
of being a very good practitioner of this craft. Continue. I appreciate you saying that. No, thank you. It's it's kind of you to say. I've certainly
Enjoyed
The journey. It's a crazy journey when you get to see these things at a very early stage and watch them grow and and have eventual outcomes. But
The
craziness that's happening right now, it should come as no surprise for people listening, is that AI is the absolute
darling of Silicon Valley right now. So everyone is talking about AI. All the funds are geared towards AI.
I'm a partner over True Ventures, I would say
Nine out of ten deals that we do these days are all AI focused in some regard.
You know, there was a couple decades of what Mark and Dreeson famously kind of coined as software eating the world. And now we've kind of transitioned into this world of AI eating the software. So AI is doing a lot of both r retooling of the software to make it more
I would say AI dominant in that you need less employees and AI does a lot more of the heavy shouldering of the burden and work.
And so it's causing a lot of disruption all across
multiple industries and multiple verticals.
Starting with customer service, eventually getting into coding and and beyond.
drug discovery. I mean it basically every and eventually it's like
I mean, next twelve months. I mean, it's gotta be I mean, I would imagine law firms are already reading the writing on the wall for

Right. Hiring of associates for rote tasks that can be done in thirty seconds by AI. I know actually a senior partner at a law firm, he is in charge of spearheading
Huge.
AI initiative within the firm for cost cutting and efficiency.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely. I have seen it on on the legal side as well. Our our mutual friend Josh Cook has has talked to his junior associates and
Said, look to your left, look to your right, one of you is not gonna be here in the next five years, and it's most likely you're just gonna be to AI. Five years is changes.
Yeah, five years is very generous. And so
The tea leaves that I'm reading right now where I think that Venture is going to have
A hard time is that
I would say on non-capital intensive businesses, meaning that if you're building something that is hardware based, you're building the next
Robotics company or whatever it may be. There you need a lot of capital to kind of get that off the ground. There's no doubt that that's still the case. And so Venture makes a lot of sense.
And I feel very fortunate that we were
Quite good at that.
Particular
area in that we've done the Pelotons and the Rings and the Fitbits and all those companies that kinda go off and build on the hardware side.
On the software side, what's happened in the last I call it eight in months.
Is that the barrier to entry for a new engineer.
You don't even have to be an engineer. They they call it vibe coding now.
And so if you have an idea
You can spend the next forty eight hours maybe
Let's just say double that.
Watch YouTube videos.
And P
I would call it a second year computer science.
student.
In terms of your kind of efficiency what you're able to do to deploy.
Yes. Yeah.
So
Tim, even today, like if we started today and we said, Okay, listen, we're gonna make you watch these 10 videos on cursor and AI and use Claude Code and you know insert the four or five
most popular AI coding tools right now.
I would bet.
Without a doubt, within four days you could dream up
Any app that you can imagine in terms of, you know, the Tim Tim ketone dosing regimen app, whatever it may be.
And
Keetones depositors dot AI.
Exactly.
The Bugatti suppository, key to the suppository. Gets sued immediately.
I'd be That'd be awesome. There's a co branding deal there somewhere you're missing out on. But
I'm not even kidding. You could actually ship that to the app store.
And have a fully functioning
And
How much is it gonna cost you? It's gonna cost you traditionally
You would have gone out, you would have hired a designer.
You'd have gone out, you would have found an engineer, you probably would have maybe needed a back end engineer, probably mostly front end. Yeah, you know, you'd pick your language. It would have been a whole
Call it two hundred and fifty K project. Side end.
Power top.
All those.
You know all the angles that you need to hit. Uh
So you already speak in code, look at you.
But imagine that's two hundred and fifty K traditionally, right? Yeah. That's fifty dollars now.
This is so nuts. Because your cursor account is gonna be fifty dollars a month and you can go and you can deploy that on Vercel for an extra twenty bucks a month.
I don't even know what Versea is.
But I want your I want your help doing this,'cause this is something I want to do. And just to interrupt for a second.
And then I want you to tell me what those
names correspond to because I haven't been tracking this very closely.
I've been meaning and meaning and meaning.
to dig into vibe coding.
And then in a team thread with my employees, just like in a few hours at night.
For a couple of weeks.
one of my part time employees
created like an app, a website, everything he wanted, had to pay a little bit.
For a getty image.
Too like
Use Canva Pro to make some graphics, but all in I think two hundred and forty dollars.
Is what he said. And he was using he was using base forty four.
Which.
Six month old solo owned five coder base 44 sells to Wix for 80 million in cash. That was June.
Of this year. And then
Lovable.
This is in the same thread, which is why it's right here, top of mind for me. Vib coding platform lovable becomes fastest growing software startup ever. Swedish AI star to love the Swedes, right? I mean, they've got some good stuff. Yeah. Um Swedish AI startup lovable says it has surpassed 100 million in annual recurring revenue.
ARR just eight months after launch.
This makes it the fastest ever software company to reach the milestone, eclipsing the historically rapid growth rates of companies such as Cursor and Wiz. That's
Bananas. Yeah. Eight months.
Oh my god.
Yeah. Yeah, lovable I I think is probably my favorite hosted
Vibing platform that's out there.
If you're really taking vibe coding seriously, is is serious as you want to take that statement,'cause it's still not coding, you're kind of vibing your way through code.
You would be using cursor, not lovable, but lovable is it's great. It's a great place to start, actually. Yeah. Okay. So
The point being is that
Venture capitalists, what they do at the seed stage and the early stage is th it's their job to go out.
Fine entrepreneurs that are building exciting new products.
Write that first.
call it, you know, one, two, three million dollar check.
Yeah. Get their ownership.
I don't need to get on bended knee for f
Two hundred and forty dollars.
Exactly. So what's gonna happen is you're gonna have
Ten X the amount of ideas hitting the market because anyone can code.
And probably even greater than that. I've called fifty X.
So we're gonna try and fail a lot faster, which is great.
And then you're gonna have, and I've already seen this, startups that are one or two people.
Full investment, call it like to their first million users, might be a couple, few thousand dollars.
And they're already profitable and on their way to great things. And yes, they're gonna have it's gonna be buggy right now because the code is a little bit janky and a little bit half broken. That's gonna buy a fix. It won't be in six months.
Exactly.
And in a year it's gonna be
Just
If it's second year C S student right now in a year to be full on college grad
And you're off to the races. And you you don't need to raise venture capital. Why would you?
Why would you? Why?
Yeah. And also how would venture capitalists
even begin to filter and sort the winners from the losers.
There's gonna be so many. With that volume. Right. You can't have coffee dates with even
One one hundredth.
Of
those founders, nor would they necessarily take the coffee to begin with. Exactly. Maybe if they just want to meet you, sure. And maybe at later stages if they're gonna be really fueling massive growth. But
Here's a question for you. You've got kids. I don't have any that I know of. I hope to change that at some point soon, but how are you thinking about educating
Your girls.
I would say
I don't believe there's a profession
that is
really kind of immune to the the AI wave. I I believe it's gonna touch anything and everything that's out there.
And so at the end of the day
This is really tough because I think
The answer is
The lamest one, which is you should be doing what you're most passionate about and where you can find your life's work and artisan crafts, handmade goods, things of that nature that will stand out and still be desirable because of the human touch side of things.
So you're saying I should buy a lot of Etsy.
Yeah, I'm just gonna say, but then you just turn into an Etsy wool hat maker for saunas. It's kinda your gig. Sauna mitts. I'm all about the sauna mitts.
It's wild because for the last
Two decades of my career.
I would have said
Computer science, computer science, like it's all about, you know, these tech jobs and the tech industry that's future.
And I think if someone was just going into college and they said, Hey, should I study CS?
Uh I don't think I would say yes.
But I don't know where to point people because everything is kinda effed.
You know? Yeah. I mean there is there is and
This isn't like Schadenfreud on my side, like wanting to celebrate the misery of others, but there is kind of this like poetic justice to
Techies creating tools that are killing themselves. That people thought would take away.
kind of working class blue colls. And no surprise bitch, we're taking all the coding jobs. We're taking all of the white collar jobs.
Those are gonna get smashed. I mean so many of those.
Jobs that are are basically occupied by people who have helped create these tools are gonna get obliterated.
Well you know what's really interesting about that? It's a great
Insight and
One of the things that I have found.
Which
It's pretty exciting, actually.
Is that
A lot of technical that I know that are very
senior computer science, like hardcore. They're like screw AI.
Yes, it can look at my code base and tell me where to look for something, but I am gonna be the one that manually writes that code because
Ego, ego, ego.
You know.
That plays out.
And then you have
The scrappy designer that's the creative that says, I have never coded in my life, but I have a lot of ideas.
And all of a sudden
That person is empowered, that created that.
is empowered that they have never been empowered.
Yeah, that's exciting.
It's interesting because Andrees and Horwitz, I actually did a post about this. There it was it was this LinkedIn post or something where they said
We're looking for designers to be the next CEOs where they were really brilliant in saying actually.
The next wave forever we've always said
Technical co founders. Who's your technical team? What's the technical shops? Like that's been
The the kind of lens at which we've evaluated the quality of a startup, I think that really shifts to more of the creative side.
I don't think V C is dead. I think what happens is that
Valuations go up, which is great. That means entrepreneurs give away less of their company.
And you fund them at a later stage because ultimately if you're going and you you've really hit the ball to the park and need to grow from
Two to two hundred people.
For a variety of different things that you need, you know, it turns out you need a lot of stuff as a startup, not just
More engineers.
Yeah.
You're gonna need some working capital and and VCs that's when VCs will step in. And also
to be clear and correct me if I'm getting this wrong, but there are many sectors and many categories.
Where
Venture capital.
Or some source of financing is still.
Inevitable, right? It's like if you're creating an Anderil.
You need cash.
Right. If you're producing something that has a hardware component.
Right.
You're gonna need some cash.
Exactly.
And you know, I've thought and I don't know if this is just
A simplistic, primitive way to think about it, but I'm really wondering with everybody focusing on the hottest girl at the dance, which is AI and everything that has AI slapped on it.

What are the neglected
Unsexy.
Really fast growing sectors.
Right.
And it makes me think of, I remember somebody showed me a chart. Somebody could look this up. We'll put it in the show notes. But if you just invested in Domino's pizza at the right time, like it would have smashed every tech company. Right. The growth rate was just
shocking to behold, right? And it's like
What's the equivalent of Domino's pizza?
that has nothing to do, at least
At its core AI.
Right, so in some sense maybe it's outside of
the overbearing influence of that. So
Maybe there's less likelihood of it getting completely disrupted. Although, like you said, nothing is immune.
But like Coca-Cola is gonna be Coca-Cola. I don't want to invest in poison, so I'm not gonna no offense, Coke. Like invest in that.
But there are certain things that may be fast growing and maybe more predictable.
And
Yeah, I'm just wondering what those things are.
So I have two that I I think I've identified and I have
No crystal ball.
I have crystal balls, but I use them for myself.
Uh that didn't sound right. Gotta be careful, you could end up in the ER.
Let's rephrase that.
This is my best guess at kind of where I see the puck going on a couple of different fronts. One is that
I believe
That
Well, I know this to be certain. Actually it's kind of the same bet in just two slightly different ways, which is
That the life blood
Of AI.
Should come as no surprise, it's human data. It is human generated, actual human created data.
In order for it to learn, to evolve, to understand where humanity is going, it has to drink from the blood of us humans to serve us.
Such a nice vampire man servant. So polite.
This is why
Reddit is getting fifty million dollars of plus a year to train on their data is why the Tim Ferris blog.
should be charging AI to train on all the original content that you've written. So
What I really liked was a move that Cloudflare did.
Here just a few weeks ago.
Where they said, Okay, everyone in the world uses Cloudflare that is their DNS, more or less, because they have anti DDoS protection and all that good stuff, which is a fancy way of saying that your servers stay up and they're really good.
Yeah. Yeah, keep your side up. So
What they have done is they said if you own original content.
Like a Tim Ferris.
We can block the AI bots, so we won't let them train on your data. But we're also going to create a marketplace. Oh, that's like if you want to sell
to the AI companies they can bid to actually license your data.
Yeah. Isn't that brilliant?
That is brilliant. And the first thing that comes to mind is I mean, there are a lot of smart people working in these AI companies because they just use Wayback Machine to scrape all your stuff anyway. But I imagine Cloudflare's thinking about it.
But yeah. Well, I mean, that's also it's always gonna be the most recent stuff as well, right? Like there's no doubt they could go get a copy of Wikipedia and and train on that and they have.
But they're gonna need what does Tim Ferris think about, you know, the latest GLP ones? And that's gonna come out next month, right? So they always need to be training on
On the latest stuff.
That's one. And and part of the reason why, and I swear this isn't a self plug, but part of the reason why we're Alexis O'Hanean, the co-founder of Reddit.
And myself are rebooting Dig.com is that we believe that
Human.
Authenticated
original content.
is gonna be so important to safeguard because if all these social sites are just flooded with bot content, man, just looking at the comments on some of these platforms, I'm like
Ninety plus percent of this is all bot. It's all bot.
Here's the crazy thing is that you can still tell a little bit that it's bots.
Yeah. But in a few years, or not even that, in a few months. Six months.
You won't even know it's bots. You'll just be sitting there being like, Wow, that was a really thoughtful review that person wrote about X headphones. And then you'll buy them off Amazon. You'll be like,
Why the hell do his headphones suck so bad?
It's because there were thirty seven bots and they're all champening these headphones about how they're so amazing.
And it's all BS. Everything nothing is to be trusted. So there's this whole theory called the dead internet theory, which is that eventually
The internet is just gonna be completely overrun by agents, AI agents that are infinitely patient.
That will write
Perfectly screwed up copy.
Enough for you to believe it, right? Because it can't correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so this is just all gonna come. And so for us, what we're focused on is really creating a safe haven for humans to have real conversation.
And that's exciting. So those are the two kind of things that I
I believe it original content creators, as long as you can prove
That you're an actual human are gonna be
rewarded ultimately, hopefully.
by the the AIs that crawl you.
How do you think that authentication's gonna work? Because
Doing like private and public keys and stuff. There's too much of an education hurdle to make that work, I would think. I think maybe Sam Alton has yet another company that is focused on human authentication, but what do you think is gonna actually make the cut and become the
the standard of the driver's license for proving like this is me.
There's so much.
AI deep fake stuff out there right now, with just I can speak personally.
And it's so good.
And it's within six months, like you said, it's gonna be
Indistinguishable or close to indistinguishable.
This is something that
I've kind of
Spent a lot of time thinking pretty deeply about. And I traded a couple notes with Sam and I met with the CEO of the retinal scanner company Tools for Humanity.
They're making that orb that scans your eyeball and w went met with them and I actually got my retina scanned and and did that whole process.
It is not for everyone. I think a lot of people will kind of freak out by that.
It is anonymous. Like they've done it in a way that shards your data. They can't link it back to you, all that good stuff. So
But that's too much explaining. Consumers are not just gonna believe that. You know, they'll use it for their
T S A pre check or whatever it may be to skip the line, but
I don't think for everyday purchases or general internet trust it is going to hit scale.
They're paying people to do it.
right now, which I think is a probably a signal that
You don't quite have the right product if you have to pay people to use it.
So
I don't know. I th it'll certainly be an authentication method that a lot of sites will use and support. And I I I could see us doing that as well.
I can see f
Users of the
Internet, let's just say broadly speaking, not wanting to use it for well, if they had to for a checkout purpose to pay for things, then they would, but
having a lot of resistance for say just logging into
Facebook or Instagram. But as a creator, if I want to give my fans a way to confirm that something is mine.
Then I think you're heavily incentivized to use something like that. Right.
Yeah, and I think that that there's so there's two sides of the But the education part is so hard.
Just to teach people what to look for. It's gotta become as common in the vernacular.
As
Driver's license.
for people to just know what to look for. If I have to be like, Okay, guys, I'm gonna teach you the exact watermark and this and that. And watch out for these fakes though, because they're very similar, but it's like it's never gonna work.
Right. And that's where I think
There's gonna be a couple things.
We're talking about a handful of different things here, right? Because we're talking about consumers. How do I trust another consumer?
That when they say these headphones are the best headphones
I can really believe that.
And then you're talking about how do I know that Tim Ferris is Tim Ferris, right? Those are two different things. They're different.
I think on the
I'm actually writing an article for Wired right now about this where the
Trust is moving.
From a binary thing.
Where we had binary trust before, meaning that
Back in the day, and I don't think this is any longer the case, but more or less you could go on to
Twitter when it was called Twitter.
And you would see a blue check box next to someone and say, Oh, that person's been verified or validated in some way, right? So it's a very binary, like I guess I trust this person because of said box and graphic.
Trust is moving to a gradient.
And I think it's very much gonna be a score or a level based trust system where
Trust will be defined by the a collection
of actions that you take online and a collection of proofs that you do online.
So a hardcore proof would be I got my retina scanned. I'm showing you that I got my retina scanned.
And here's my proof of that.
A gradient would be
I've been a paying customer for this service for X number of months. I can prove it.
Or I have purchased z headphones.
You know, that's what the Amazon verified purchase does, right?
And so there are gonna be open standards for that.
And it's gonna be messy, but it will work. And that
If you come on the the future version of Dig, for example, if you come on there and you say, Hey, I own an aura ring and I love it.
Anyone can say that. And so how do I trust that? And so one way to trust that
is to there's these fancy technologies. I won't get into it here, but they're called ZK proofs.
Where you can go in and I can authenticate.
Basically with my aura account and prove to you.
Without exposing
Who I am.
But I can do cryptographic proof that I have owned an aura ring for five years and I have used it daily.
And so those types of proof, almost like the way that we see secure certificates when we check out now.
on a uh you know e commerce site and we trust them because they are cryptographically secure.
We will have those types of proofs for almost anything and everything that exists online.
And so when you engage with another user
You'll be able to say, Okay, I'm clicking on Tim.
How do I know
That these are the ketones that he trusts, or whatever it may be, and there will be multiple ways to cryptographically prove in a non geeky way. That's the key here. It can't be something.
That my mom won't understand. Read this white paper. Yeah, exactly. It it can't be that.
So it's gonna be a little rough for the next couple of years while we hammer this stuff out, we come up with standards, we figure out with very easy consumer ways to show this.
But ultimately at the end of the day
There needs to be this and also.
The other thing I was gonna tell you is I believe deeply.
That human connection matters.
And that we need to
really encourage more of that to happen. So one of the things or without trying to
spill the beans too early and what we're building a dig.
Is a lot of proof around
I was still thinking about the crystal balls. Go ahead. Yeah. We're not going to spill the crack the crystal balls on this yet. But I will say that.
In person means a lot.
And so when you actually gather
In a location with other people.
Proving
With technology you actually met in person.
And had it.
Broken bread in person is going to create a trust network.
That is unlike anything that can be done online.
And so that's on us to build and figure out as well, which is gonna be pretty exciting.
Yeah, I have this might seem like I'm still in my bags, but I've thought this for a long time, just some you know, launching a card game literally as we record this, but I am so long analog.
And the reason that I'm long analog is that at least one of the silver linings, I think, of this post truth internet experience, at least for a while, it's gonna be messy AF for a while. Yes.
And it's also a cat and mouse game, right? It's not like you create these authentication, there's no response. It's a cat and mouse kind of cloak and dagger situation. There's so many incentives, financial and otherwise, to scam people.
That's the
Trust me, the scammers have great
Some of them are really sophisticated.
And uh it's an arms race, and I think
Speaking of someone who's not an engine, I'm not a computer scientist, but I would like to think of myself as pretty tech savvy. I've taken social media apps off my phone for the last handful of years, and I have systems for
trying to sort fact from fiction, but it has become
so exhausting and it's going to become a hundred X?
Exhausting.
I'm done with it. I don't wanna walk into this house of
Funhouse mirrors.
and watch things that are fake, read things that are fake, have to decipher what's true and what isn't, and get misled. There's so much downside that
I really am optimistic, at least I hope that people are going to actually do what we're evolved to do, which is spend more time interacting with humans, IRL. And we're seeing that with running clubs and board game nights and these various offline
Activities that are exploding in popularity. Who knows if that'll sustain, but you're seeing it in every major city in the United States, at least. And
That gives me some hope.
Because
If there were nothing to offset the opiate addiction of
short form video and perfectly tune.
Algorithmic feeds.
We're entertained to death. We're done.
This is exactly why I think a big portion of this social site that we're building
is gonna be about in person connection.
It really has to be. And you actually, Tim, you were a big inspiration for this.
One of the things that we talk about, remember when you had your
Did those global meetups where people gathered and Yeah, yeah. That was Do you remember the name of the uh service that you used? Uh was let me get it right. It's River. I think it's River dot Io.
And let me just make sure I'm getting that right.
It's getriver.io.
In person event and social platform for communities. So I use
This service
to run the podcast tenth anniversary.
global meetups around
The planet and we had a hundred and fifty seven cities.
Thousands of people meeting up in person who have already
A bunch of
common interests.
Or at least lived experience, like they've listened to the podcast. So they have something automatically they can talk about for meeting in person.
And
It was so much better than I could have.
ever hoped for. It was so much fun. Some of these meetups had hundreds of people, some had four or five.
And
What I hoped would happen and what did happen is a lot of these people have stay in touch and they're meeting up
Afterwards, it wasn't just a one and done.
Right.
Exactly. Great experience. And the team over there was awesome.
Yes, so I met with her because of you.
And then she was amazing. And we're gonna use them for our dig launch. In fact, we're doing a meetup tonight, close to a hundred people in LA, just randomly threw it out there last week. And it's exactly this where if we can build part of that functionality into the product itself.
And encourage people with these.
Interest that when you just you figure out that your weird is not so weird. If you're into Japanese woodworking or
The Tim Red rooms that you love. Like whatever you're into. Kevin's crystal balls. Yeah, exactly. You can find 10 other people that are and you can go break bread with them and hang out. But I think that is the future because
Don't get me wrong, I still want to launch that app and learn about those funky weird things that I would only find online. And you and I trade so many ridiculous videos.
I wouldn't want that to go away, but I also need to go and get outside and actually breathe some fresh air and meet people, right? Yeah.
I think that has to be a big part of what we do at at Dig, and it was a lot of it was inspired by that the your success there. Oh, that's awesome. I didn't know that. And
I gotta since we're so on topic, I gotta
Just
Flash this guy, right? Yes. So as you know, I've been so nervous about this and excited, but so coyote this card game. It's
Fast casual, couple of minutes to learn, ten minutes to play. Kids love it. Turns out
People who've had a few drinks or smoked a little weed also love it.
Does not help performance, but does make it pretty hilarious to watch.
Yeah
We'll have to see if that's okay to keep in, but we've got a friend of ours that that likes to play games. And yeah and it's finally launching everywhere. Walmart's had the exclusive for a few months and they've been actually awesome and it's been a bestseller and it's
started to go kind of bananas and gameplay videos.
We've texted about this a little bit, but gameplay videos online have more than three hundred million
Views now. Which is so amazing. So congratulations, man. After the NFTs, I'm glad to see you actually doing something that works.
Yeah, thanks.
Got to practice my art in a different way. And uh, you know, uh we're not gonna get into a uh mud wrestling match or NFTs.
I am still gonna do a bunch with that cock punch legends of Verlata universe. You wait and see. I'm actually gonna do a bunch with it. But yeah, it's been going nuts. If people go to Amazon or wherever, Target.
It's all over the place and it's
eight thousand plus retail locations as of this week. It's feeding into all the locations. Amazing. And it's it's actually giving me both
Like flashbacks of
that are really pleasant and also a little bit PTSD with my first book because the inventory is not getting to the warehouses fast enough. So it's actually it can be a little challenging to buy this thing.
But hey, soak it all in, man. Enjoy that moment, though, right? Cause you're in a great place to even have that issue. Like so awesome. And you know what's also been super fun is
I've played with friends, I've seen all the play testing with families, because we tested it with like a hundred plus families.
We tested the hell out of this. I mean so many iterations.
And
It's ready. Like it's going.
But I had a chance to play with a group of strangers, two different groups of strangers at a game shop in Brooklyn.
Last weekend.
And
We are recording it for an instructional video.
And
They're not actors, they're people who love games.
But people I'd never met before. And the amount of fun that we had.
That was the real test for me, right? Cause it's like if I have a bunch of my dumb friends and we've had two drinks each and we have so much fun anyway together.
It's a warm audience. The game still has to work, and it did, but with a group of strangers where it's a little uncomfortable in the beginning and everyone's a little stiff, and then by the end, we're like slapping shoulders and high-fiving, laughing our asses off. I was like, okay.
I can finally exhale a bit with this thing.
Okay, okay, okay. It's actually awesome. So awesome. Yeah. You caused a micro fight in our house last night because of the game. Was it over whether somebody messed up or not?
No, so here's what happened. I was playing Roblox with my kids, and then Dari had her headphones in, and so I she couldn't hear me, and the kids were asking questions, and I was like
She's listening to her podcast and I'm like, Can you take them out so we like you can engage with the kids? And she's like, Well, if we weren't playing this and we could play something like Coyote, like then we wouldn't have this issue because we could all play as a family. And I'm like, Oh fuck
Oh man. Quick funny note on Roblox. I actually want to interview the founders of Roblox. It's such an incredible
And such just such a wonder they've created and they've also actually
I'm sure you did not know this, maybe you did. They have funded
A ton of research related to dietary interventions for
various psychiatric conditions. Like the ketogenic interventions. So they've they've actually funded a lot of science related to that. So on a whole bunch of levels. But the reason I brought up Roblox is because you sent me and Saga this video, this like screen capture of playing Roblox, which is honestly
Really relaxing. It's so relaxing. Yeah, the garden that I grew. Yeah, the garden that you grew with the with the cherry blossoms. Very relaxing to watch.
But there is this classical music playing and I was like, Wait a fucking second.
You've stopped drinking and now Kevin's listening to classical music.
What is happening here? It's built into the game. It's built into the game into the game.
Grow a garden has millions of users now.
I have the beautiful cherry blossom bushes. If anyone come wants to come check out my garden.
And uh I built little forts for my kids to play in there. I've got some great bamboo and I just got a rare
Little red Zen dragon today. Congratulations. Thank you. There's one one percent chance to get it on a roll.
Oh twenty bucks per ten rolls.
Oh wow. What a bunch of Gases.
Yeah, and I won't even tell you what I've done there. I'm not proud. This is like when they're doing their internal presentations. They're like, Okay, so Q two has been great. They're like really great. It all hinges on the one percent of overspenders. Here's an avatar. We call it Kevin Rose.
Exactly.
We don't know who this user is.
Oh my god.
Awesome, man. So nice to see you.
Always. Yeah, good to see you as well.
Yeah, we gotta hang. This is also all this talk about in person. I'm like, Yeah, we gotta hang in person. I'm sorry the uh
You got family and lots of stuff. I didn't give you a ton of heads up either on the wilderness trip, but we gotta do something.
Gotta do something person.
Hundred percent.
Japan trip or something. Japan trip, or I will be in LA actually.
Next month. So I'll let you know.
Either next month or the following. So I'll let you know. I'll be in LA.
Awesome little meetup.
Yeah.
Kev Kev. All right.
Sweet man. Well I think you got anything to add for folks?
Anything else. Oh, can I tell people if yeah, so we that crazy site that I was telling uh
Um, dig dot com with two Gs is read G dot com.
Yeah, from the old internets, if you remember it from way back in the day, it's rebooting. Alexis and I and my CEO Justin are working hard at work on it.
We wanna give people an early invite. It's in beta right now. If you want to check out kind of a next gen crazy fun social network.
That is all about news and craziness around the web.
Email and we will put you on the early invite list. Tim Tim.
Two Tims.
At
Dig dot com, D I G G dot com
And we will let you skip that.
list and get you one of the early and buy lists.
T Tim and just FYI I'm not gonna disclose because I don't know if it's public, but that's a long
Like there's a long list.
Several hundred thousand people. The bounce will be letting you skip.
And come through the velvet ropes. We've only let twenty five thousand in so far, and we have a couple hundred thousand people waiting on the wait list, and so far.
People are loving it and we're just getting started. So we've got a lot to build. So fun. So fun. Well, you you look great, man. You sound great.
Congratulations on the a hundred days. That's a big, big, big deal. It sucks that you feel so much better. I hate it.
'Cause I feel better, I'm like slimming up a little bit.
You know, it's it and it's I assume you're being sarcastic. No, it's like I wanna I wanna have a couple of drinks, you know? But it's you're getting to spend on Roblox instead.
You know in terms of instead of uh the vice that kills your liver, you got a vice that kills your bank account. You know I gotta try to get it. I will say I've definitely
Kind of just
shifted that funnel of cash over straight to rope blood to the grow garden. That little freaking dragon guy cost me like two grand.
That's the Kevin I know and love. There you go. There you go. He's back. He's back.
Let's do some nanoblocks together. Yeah, I'm down for some nanoblocks. I think I need one
That is sub five hundred pieces to start with.
I'll save this little ramen for you and we'll do it live on on video. That'd be fun.
Yeah.
Hundred and forty pieces. Have Craig Mutt set up the audio for us. Yeah, exactly.
All right, cool, man. Awesome to see you, buddy.
All right, brother.
And everybody listening, I guess we'll have probably have some show notes for this. So Tim.blog slash podcast random show and just look for the newest ones. Alright, everybody.
Be well, be kind.
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