Most Replayed Moment: Why You’re Never Satisfied! The 4 Pillars of Lasting Happiness

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So people in memory turn pleasure into Enjoyment.
That's right. So alcohol.
add people in memory. You know, the Anheiser Busch Corporation doesn't put out
advertisements of you know a dude alone in his apartment pounding a twelve pack.
Mm.
That's how a lot of people use the product.
But that's everybody knows that's an irresponsible, dangerous thing to do that can lead to alcoholism.
What they show is the same guy with his brothers and friends, you know, clinking bottles together, having a great time. That is
Pleasure.
Alcohol plus people plus memory equals enjoyment, and that leads to happiness, because they want to join their brand to happiness, not just to pure pleasure and certainly not to addiction.
Same with like Coca Cola. All the Coca Cola ads are like the World Cup with your friends and in summer with your friends and Yeah, and that's actually less addictive. I mean there are certain you know, the sugar and and caffeine are certainly addictive, but they don't have the same properties of of brain capture in the same way for sure, because they don't
They don't stimulate as much dopamine.
as as uh you know something like alcohol does.
And and so th they're less likely to make you really addicted. But the whole point is that they're
It it does give you a little bit of pleasure.
But it makes you way happier if you get to enjoyment and you only get that when you're doing it with people.
Satisfaction.
Satisfaction is the joy you get after struggle.
You're an entrepreneur, you understand this one really well, you're good at deferring your gratification. All entrepreneurs are good, successful entrepreneurs are good at deferring gratification.
Which means I'm gonna do this hard thing.
And it's gonna get big payoff and that payoff is gonna be sweet.
That's satisfaction. There's a a really funny thing.
about humans is that we need struggle and suffering.
For us to actually get the joy that we seek, and that's a really important part of our happiness.
So you find the people who are better at deferring their gratification get more satisfaction and they're happier.
There's a lot of that remember, you've heard about the marshmallow experiment.
Yeah. And you know, people have debunked it, but they actually haven't. So the marshmallow experiment was taking place it took place in the late sixties.
Or Walter Michelle is a psychologist at Stanford out in Palo Alto.
He had a a you know, a little the uh laboratory setup where he would come in and sit down on one side of a table, and there was a kid on the other side of the table, between four and eight years old. And in front of the kid was a marshmallow.
And so he says to the kid, Do you want the marshmallow? And the kid's like, Yeah.
Yeah, it says.
I tell you what, I have to go take a phone call in the back here.
But when I come back, if the marshmallow is still there.
I'll give you another one.
Can you wait? Every kid's like, yeah, totally, totally, totally worth it.
He comes back five minutes later or so. Eighty percent of the kids had eaten the marshmallow.
Twenty percent of the kids hadn't. Now that's a lot. Eighty percent of the kids could not defer the gratification.
So the real question is who's the twenty percent?
It's Steve Bartlett.
That these are the people that went on to do
distinguished things. They did better in school.
They got better grades.
They went on to have more
Job success, they had better relationships.
That's what they found that the most successful kids now w the the
What people fight about now is why, whether it's nature or nurture, it's probably fifty fifty.
Like everything else in life, it's both nature and nurture.
But the bigger point is good things come to those who wait. And when you wait, you suffer. And you need that suffering as part of the basic satisfying experience. Now the
Bigger problem with satisfaction is that Mother Nature has a big lie at the end of it.
Mother Nat says if you get it, you're gonna love it forever. And that's not true.
See, the the the brain
The brain works emotionally and physically.
in um an environment of homeostasis. Homeostasis means that you always return to your baseline physiologically and emotionally, because you can't stay in a s in a in in an unusual physiological state.
Unusual states are a reaction.
You need to be ready to react.
And so, you know, you
Step off the treadmill.
Your heart is elevated.
Your heart goes back to where it was, so you're not dead in a week. The same thing is true for you emotionally. Something really good or bad happens to you. You think it's gonna last forever, so that you have an incentive to avoid or approach the thing.
But it doesn't last forever, does it?
That's the problem.
We actually think that if I get that billion dollars, it's gonna be really great. And the first thing that somebody
who has a billion dollars says to her himself is
I guess I needed another billion.
Because of homeostasis. And that puts you on something called the hedonic treadmill. More, more, more, more, more, more, more, more. So that's the great conundrum.
Of the striver.
is that there's never enough, never enough, never enough. I deal with people all day long. I really specialize in people who are incredibly successful.
But not happy.
And a lot of what I do is s explain one simple equation.
that both explains that, but also gives you the solution.
Which is that your satisfaction doesn't come from all the things that you have.
So have more is not the right strategy.
Satisfaction is
All the things you have divided by the things that you want.
Haves divided by wants.
Successful people need to manage their wants even more than they need to manage their haves.
They need to want less.
And that's a whole kettle of fish. That's spirituality, that's discipline, that's fitness, that's diet, that's a whole lot of things that go into that.
And that will help you actually get enduring satisfaction.
Seems to a contradiction, though, doesn't it?

that the striving and the struggle is gonna make me happy, but I should want less. Yeah.
what people actually who crack this code and and a lot of, you know
eastern traditions actually get into this.
Is not the striving is bad.
But a striving in in itself.
Has an
has a a a reward to it.
That you that the process and what you find out along the way is that what you wanted was not
arrival. What you wanted was progress.
And then you start to get the reward from the progress itself. There's a funny thing in the in the in the research on dieting.
We all know that it's the most expensive, unsuccessful industry in the world, right? Ninety five percent of diets fail, which means within a year people have gained back all the weight that they've lost. But they're successful insofar as that almost everybody loses weight when they go on a diet.

Here's the thing about diets.
Every day you're willing to forgo the food you like in exchange for the reward, which is the scale going down.
When you hit your goal
It's gonna be so great. It's gonna be so great. You know what the reward is, Dave?
You never again get to eat the things that you like for the rest of your life. Congratulations.
Once you've got there. That's why you fail. And the arrival fallacy, which is an identifiable phenomenon in my field, is that it's gonna be sweet when I get to the goal. It isn't.
What you're gonna have is homeostasis when you get to your goal, frustration and disappointment. Therefore, you need to want less, you need to think about that about less about wanting these arrival experiences and get more satisfaction from the progress.
From the journey.
That's really what it comes down to. And people who crack that code over the course of self-discipline, self-understanding, self-management, they can actually experience remarkably higher satisfaction. The Dalai Lama, I've been working with the Dalai Lama closely for the past 11 years.
And I asked him this question.
How can I get
Lasting satisfaction.

You need to
want what you have, not to have what you want.
That's what it comes down to.
It's the management of my wants, not my haves.
Mm.
On that point, we're at the time of year now where so many people are thinking about diets. You mentioned that there. So for those people that are approaching that moment and they're you know they're gonna be setting their goals and stuff and all those kinds of things. What is a better goal to set if not a weight number or a financial number or whatever? What's a better, more realistic
um goal to set that has more chance of success. Yeah.
It's it's interesting because there are certain things that we can accumulate that won't
homeostatically return us to the baseline. That won't throw us onto this
hedonic treadmill over and over and over again. Those goals are the goals that actually do lead to the happiest life. And the more you have, the better off you are, where more actually is better. But they don't fall into the categories of money, power, pleasure, and fame.
which are the typical kind of goals that we get, or related goals like weight loss or, you know, whatever it happens to be.
The four goals that really matter.
Ar faith, family, friendship.
And work that serves others.
Those are the four.
really great and transcendent goals that we can have. Now
There's nothing wrong with money or power or pleasure or fame. There's nothing wrong with those things, but only as intermediate goals to make it easier for us to pursue and accumulate.
deeper faith or philosophical life. I'm not talking about traditional religious faith necessarily.
better family relationships, which are very mystical.
Um, poorly understood, even in neuroscience in a lot of ways.
Friendship.
Deep friendship.
Which hard for a lot of people, especially successful people, and work that where you earn your success and serve other people.
That's what it comes down to. So those are the right New Year's goals that we need. You know, this year, what am I gonna do? What am how am I how am I gonna grow closer to the divine?
How am I gonna do that?

This year, what am I gonna do to draw closer to my family?
And to have a a more intimate relationship with my family. How am I gonna have deeper friendships this year? And how am I gonna take my work and find it more
meaningful and satisfying.
On the basis of serving other people. How am I gonna do that?
We haven't gotten to meeting yet.
Yeah, we haven't got to meaning yet. You said the word there, but but I want to make sure I close off on this point about a better goal because there's still gonna be a huge group of people that go, Listen, I get it, love it, I believe it. But I hate this belly fat. Yeah, I got it. And this belly fat yo yo's.
Every yeah. No, I get it. So those are intermediate goals. And there's nothing wrong with those things. The problem is where they become satisfying and self destructive is when that's the final goal, because by the time you get there, you think
Why?
Why? That wasn't as meaningful as I thought. That wasn't as good as I thought. That's the arrival fallacy that when I actually get rid of the belly fat, then I'm actually gonna have somehow a more wonderful life.
That's actually not true. The reason that you're doing that is because you want to live longer with your spouse and see your and and you know dandle your 11 grandchildren on your knee. That's the reason you want to do this, because you need to do it for some intrinsic reason as opposed to an extrinsic reason having to do with people will love me more. I mean, it's amazing to me because I, you know, I'm
I do a lot of, you know, wellness and fitness and stuff as it interacts with happiness. I work with a lot of people who are very big in the longevity community because I have sort of the happiness console, the science of the happiness console that I put into those things. And and so I meet a lot of people that are really into the fitness part. And and what what a lot of guys will tell me is that they'll have these fitness goals.
Like I'm gonna put on fifteen pounds of muscle this year and I'm gonna get rid of all my belly fat and the whole thing and and by
I if they stick to it by September.
Or October, where they're finding is that
You know, they're not getting any more attention or compliments from women.
But a lot of dudes are going
Looking good, dude.
That's not what I wanted. And part of the reason is because the arrival fallacy is you build up this image of what will actually come from.
the the satisf the satisfaction that will come from hitting these intermediate goals.
These aren't the right final goals. You gotta have the right final goals and then set some intermediate goals along the way, but not
Let's not kid ourselves. And when you think carefully about that, that losing your last five pounds of belly fat, so you can see your lower abs.
Which, by the way, is not necessarily that healthy.
Is
going to materially improve your life and your relationships. It's not
Just isn't. What's the better end goal then as it relates to
fitness. Would it be something more centered on health? It is something that's actually sustain sustainable and having to do with health, also with happiness, is the way that this works. So I work out sixty minutes a day. It's not because I'm vain. Look, I'm like I got a face for radio, Steve. I mean I don't know what you're talking about. I know, but it's uh age adjusted I look good.
I think you're a good period and I'm not you know I've got a girlfriend, but credit's due. Thank you, Steve. I appreciate that.
You made my week. See, this was my goal. The reason that I do this is because I find that for me that working out as much as I can is much harder than working out every day.
Working out every day is much easier than working out as often as I can. Right? Yeah, and practicing my religion.
Every day is much easier than practicing my religion when it when it comes naturally to me, or when I find it convenient.
Eating healthily is much easier when I do it every day. And so the result of that is that I find that with those particular routines, I program those things into my life, and I'm a much happier guy. Look, it lowers my cortisol levels, which are naturally very high. I'm a very anxious person.
Um, and and I understand anxiety, I understand the cortisol production, I understand how to manage it, and and this is one of my management techniques. Thing about fitness to understand is
When I say it makes you happier, it actually doesn't. It lowers your unhappiness.
Happiness and unhappiness largely
the experiences of happiness and unhappiness, which is to say posit
positive and negative affect. They're produced in different parts of the limbic system.
So you can both be very high happiness and very high unhappiness. I have tests for that that I put my students through. You're probably somebody who experiences both very high positive affect and very high negative affect.
We've only met.
But my guess is that you're a mad scientist.
That's the profile.
And so that means is you've got two strategies. You want to keep your positive affect high and you want to manage your negative affect.
And one of the best ways to manage your negative affect is physical exercise, vigorous physical exercise. Today, today for me was leg day. I hate leg day, but I feel pretty good right now.
Okay, that makes sense. I I've got an answer there that that I
That I'm super clear on.
Um
All you should be aiming at
The end goal of happiness ultimately, even if it
The intermediary goals are things like belly fat and these short term things that are measurements of my progress towards the bigger goal. And the real key here is
Is
Consistency. Yeah. I I this was the big unlock for my whole fitness thing,'cause I was that person
Which will be ninety percent of people listening now that made the goal every year that I was gonna go to you know, change my life every year. Never worked.
Because I'm I was aiming at getting a six pack for summer. So when I arrived
With the six pack. Did it work?
Awesome. It was great. I look great. I got I actually got I think I got a a couple of compliments, which was nice.
However, the minute summer
Finished.
Or the six pack arrived.
I could not find for the life of me the motivation. So I'd go into winter and I'd become willpower that can that can like you cannot muscle these things out.
Unless they become a part of your life.
Consistency, to making my goal consistency and was the big unluck for me. For sure.
Because then okay, the goal becomes
If I go to the gym every day, if I make that part of my habits, I'm gonna be healthier, happier, better at my job.
Fucking is there anything more important?
Is that less important than a six pack?
And that f mindset set shift changed my life. For sure. Meaning then.
Meaning was the last of the three. Yeah.
Meaning is the why of your life. This is the hardest for most people, especially young adults. This is really, really hard.
So
Meaning is is really a combination of three things. It's coherence, purpose, and significance. Coherence is things happen for a reason.
And so meaning in your life means you gotta have a theory about why things happen.
Like it's one damn thing after another. I mean, you gotta have some concept of why things happen. Purpose is my life has direction and has goals.
That's what purpose really is. I'm going in this direction toward these things.
without getting stuck on the arrival fallacy. And the last but not least is significance, which is
It would matter if I were here.
I'm significant.
Those are the three parts of meaning in people's lives.
According to you know philosophers and social psychologists. So there's uh there's a test that I give my students that kind of encompasses these
These three ideas so you can remember'em, into two questions.
And you have a meaning crisis if you actually don't
have answers to these questions that you believe.
And there's no right answers. You've got to have your answers.
You wanna play?
Yeah.
Here's the quiz.
Question number one.
Why are you alive?
You can answer that in terms of
who created you or what you're on earth to do.
Okay, so why am I alive?
That's something that I get to answer every single day. I get to define that by what I chose to do this morning when I woke up. What was it?
I went to the gym. I w was on the running machine.'Cause I know I've got a
Uh, not gonna be able to today.
And then I came here and had this conversation with you. Yeah.
But why are you
Why are you doing this conversation with me, Steve?
The Ikagai theory comes to mind when you ask that, which is
It's incredibly selfish. I learned tr a tremendous amount already just from this conversation. And I know that it pays um pays it forward to where the people who are gonna
gonna learn from it as well. And that makes it feel
worthwhile. So you said two things, fun and service. Yeah. Right. Which is more important to you?
Transcendentally, which is more important to you.
It's the service part. Yeah.
Yeah. Worth, right? But the more you focus on that, the better it gets.
Now we uncovered that.
So now thinking about that.
You put the order of operations into the podcast to say, Did it does it serve? Is that guest gonna serve?
Is this question gonna serve?
Is this show gonna serve? Is this
Sponsor
Gonna serve the people who are watching this podcast.
Then suddenly meaning starts to go.
Starts to really spread out of the soil. Because you we got to that. If it's like is it fun? Yeah, good. So look my my whole
of a company.
And that that that rides alongside what I do academically.
And everybody that works with me.
We have an order of operations.
And the order of operations are these are the four goals, but they have to be in this order. You just told me that the order of operations is serve other people and have fun.
Mm-hmm. For your work. That's what you basically said. It's probably more like
lift people up and have an adventure.
That's probably m a uh intellectual adventure.
Right. But the order of operations has to be right.
If you're having fun more than you're serving other people, you're not gonna find your sense of meaning based on that first question.
So you see you see where we're going with that, right?
So
The second question's harder.
For what are you willing to die today?
There's a couple of people in my life that I'd die for. I'd die for my romantic partner. I'd die for
My brothers and sisters, any of them. Mm-hmm.
Interestingly, I don't know if I die for my parents, which is interesting. Did you die for an idea?
Did you die for your country?
I would die
It when you say for my country, do you mean to save the country? I don't know. I mean if you were called to.
Even if it were ridiculous.
Even if you thought it were ridiculous.
Would you die?
Because you love your country.
It depends what you mean by that. What's the cost if I don't what's the cost if I stay alive? No, I know. And I and it's it everything is context specific to a certain extent, but uh really what I'm trying to see is what your
What's your kind of r reaction?
is to this.
You know, to see what the there are good things in there. You are willing to die for your girlfriend.
Yeah, and willing to die for your brothers and sisters. Yeah.
Mom and Dad? That's like uh listen to this podcast. They do, but I'm just being honest because I think I think
I don't know why I said that, but I just I I don't know for sure. This is good. This is really important. Right. This is worth thinking about.
Right now.
The worst answer is
I don't know, or nothing.
Those are the worst answers. And that doesn't mean it's a problem. On the contrary, it's a huge opportunity, huge entrepreneurial opportunity to realize you don't have answers to these questions because
You don't have to go to, you know, get your PhD in philosophy. You don't have to sit at the mouth of the cave with a guru someplace in the Himalayas. You need to look for your answers to these questions.
That's it. That's the quest. That's the vision quest.
So
And when you see somebody find these things, like
A lot of young adults have they're nowhere near you where you are on your journey.
You're solid, Steve. I mean, this is good stuff, but I meet a lot of people like
Why am I live?
Egg Meta sperm.
Really? Yeah. And what are you willing to die for?
Nothing really. Or I don't know.
Right. A lot of people and then they uncover that they don't have a why.
Is what it comes down to.
Repeat the questions again. Why are you alive?
And for what are you willing to die?
This very day.
There's no wrong answers.
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