#395 How Geniuses and Speed Freaks Reengineered F1 into the World's Fastest-Growing Sport

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3:40 And over more than twenty years. He did more to influence F one design than any other person in history. This was the man who turned Formula One from a playground for gentlemen mechanics into rocket science. All of it stem From his singular purpose in life.

3:57 Which was to extract every ounce of performance from whichever engine he happened to be dealt. Вот Чапман різдф. And far more dramatically than any of his contemporaries. was that there was more to this racing business Than pure horsepower.

4:12 Engine capacity didn't matter. If he couldn't first solve the paradox of Of making his cars as light as possible. While also engineering them. To stick to the racetrack.

4:23 His mantra was simple. Adding power makes you fast on the streets, he said. Subtracting weight. Makes you faster. Everywhere.

4:32 So he's got several quotes around this mantra of his that adding power makes you faster on the streets. So chretching weight. Makes you faster everywhere. If he would say simplify than add lightness. He also said any car which holds together for a whole race is too heavy. So he designed his His cars were much more like aircraft built with just enough material to do the job.

4:50 And not an ounce more. They were rarely the most powerful. Бо деби, ав. to outrun the competition through superior design. That's just one of many reasons why I think there's so many great parallels

5:04 For entrepreneurs and and company builders in a book about Formula One. So Chapman's laboratory, we can experiment with all his eccentric ideas, was the Lotus Racing Team, which he founded in 1952, with 25 pounds he borrowed from his girlfriend. He s established himself in the North London neighborhood of Hornsey. This is an area where his father ran a pub next to a railway station. It had sustained heavy bombing by the Nazis during World War Two and did not seem So the only spot

5:31 Chapman could find first garage was a block of stables. Full of empty beer crate. Behind his dad's pup. But as it turned out, a unique set of circumstances were brewing all over Britain at the time that would turn the country into a cradle. for high level motorsport.

5:48 As the dust settled after World War Two, Britain remained in a state of deep deprivation and under a national rationing program. But what it did have in ample numbers was dozens of unused RAF airfields. And a supply of war veterans who knew their way around an engine. It was no coincidence. That by nineteen fifty two.

6:07 When the UK had three permanent racetracks, two of them had been wartime airfields. Chapman grew his engineering ranks by recruiting from the aircraft companies. He had a really interesting insight. What was a race car anyway, if not an upside down airplane wing? Airflow and weight were everything. This was an era before easy access to wind tunnels. So the Lotus Boys had to come up with creative solutions to measure. How their inventions minimized drag.

6:31 For one test. They fitted fins all over a car to see how they flexed at high speeds. And the only way to get a close look at them in real time, one engineer decided, was to strap himself to the hood for a lap and pray he didn't end up as roadkill. Chapman's gang would stop at nothing. To be just a little bit quicker and soon everyone knew it. At least one rival referred to them.

6:55 As that mad lot. A slight that the intensely proud, easily offended chapman would not have taken well. A short man with a big chip on his shoulder, he devoted much of his life at Lotus. to proving people wrong. And so he's gonna come up with a series of innovations. They call him the mad scientist of F one. And so here's one example. Team Lotus came around to what was known as the mid engine design. Which really meant moving the engine behind the driver from its regular position in front of him. This might not seem so unusual until you remember that the natural order of ground locomotion until that point.

7:29 Had always been a horse or a locomotive pulling the rest of the show. Not pushing it. Chapman let his imagination run wild. Ideas poured out of him so fast. That as soon as they were shuffled into development Chapman was already on to the next thing, in fact.

7:44 I read something that was hilarious. His colleagues would nickname him the White Tornado because he was so high energy. Turns out it says that he had manic energy. But he was also He says his manic energy was boosted by a regime of uppers. So he's on some kind of stimulants. Uh, they could make them impossible to work for. I know you believe that what you think I said.

8:04 Is what I want, read a sign that he kept on his desk. But are you sure? That what you heard is really what I meant. However chaotic the process. Chapman spent

8:15 the nineteen sixties producing a string of masterpieces, each with its own game changing innovation. Again, I just love the idea. that his nickname was the mad scientist of F one. When most cars still used frames where the structure sat on a skeleton of steel tubes. Chapman produced the Lotus Twenty Five. It was a single hole and was inspired like everything else he did.

8:37 By airplane design. The central frame of the car was one piece of molded aluminum. In Chapman's internal кest. To cut weight from his cars. This was the equivalent of a three week juice cleanse.

8:51 There was one thing that Chapman was prepared to add to his car. Before anyone else. And it came from his lifelong struggle. to round up enough money to go racing in this case It was a sponsored paint job.

9:04 I can't believe this guy also invented the sponsored paint job. in F one for nearly two decades. So they had been racing F one for two decades up until this point. And before Chapman had the idea to sell to to sell that Paint job to sell space on his cars. Two sponsors, F one cars were simply painted according to the nationality of the racing team.

9:26 It may seem trivial to you and I today, but at the time this was a shocking break from tradition, which is obviously one of the main points of what I wanna talk to you about today and every single person I'm gonna profile. Is the fact that they just came in, they studied how everybody else was doing things, said hey, you know what, I have other I have different ideas. I'm gonna pursue a different way of doing things. They're all very entrepreneurial.

9:46 And so when he talked about inventing the sponsored paint job, he just thought it was very pragmatic. He's like I'm gonna go race on Sunday. And then I'm gonna go sell on Monday. And all the money coming into the team than he could then use for more inventions. So it says not only did the deal fill the team's coffers, it also kicked off a forty year spell.

10:05 between F one and the tobacco industry. Now here's the crazy thing. He sold the first sponsored paint job. was to I think Golden Leaf Tobacco. It was eighty five thousand dollars or eighty five thousand pounds for a year.

10:19 Over the next few декад. The tobacco industry alone is gonna pour four point five bill. into F one. All that started because Chapman was just looking for a way to pay the bills for his racing team so he could just invent more.

10:33 The new source of income was enough to keep the lights on a little longer in the Lotus Garage, where Chapman continued to live up to his reputation as F1's resident mad scientist. Like all mad scientists, He insisted. He wasn't mad, simply misunderstood. In particular by the ever expanding Formula One rule book. In his mind, the whole set of regulations should have been able to fit on the back of an envelope. This is what his proposal was. Pick the maximum capacity of the engines.

10:57 Choose the type of fuel. And specify that the resulting car has to fit in a box so long, so wide, and so high. Then we can really get down to making a car. Not that the regulation slowed him down much. Chapman was so relentless in his pursuit of an edge that his own drivers began to wonder if the part of the car That he cared least about was the one strapped into the cockpit. Tragedy

11:21 was such a regular occurrence in formula one at the time that two dozen drivers were killed In the first fifteen years of the series alone. Three. had been at the wheel of one of Chapman's Course.

11:34 So in his private memos he actually grappled with this ethical line between Pushing boundaries and protecting lives. And he was writing notes to himself. Says a racing car has only one objective. to win motor races. If it does not, it is nothing but a waste of time and money.

11:48 It does not matter how safe it is, if it doesn't consistently win, it is nothing. Brutally frank. These words lay bare Chapman's competitive creed. He compared a Formula One driver to a mountaineer. Each knew the risks of the climb. The danger was part of the pursuit. And one of his drivers had an accident before he winds up having a fatal accident and writes Chapman a letter. This guy named Yokin Rent. And part of the thing he says he says honestly your cars are so quick.

12:15 That we could still be competitive with a few extra pounds used to make the weakest parts stronger. Please give my suggestions some thought. I can only drive a car in which I have some confidence. And I feel the point of no confidence is quite near. Sixteen months later rent was dead. A brake shaft in his car failed at the Italian Grand Prix.

12:34 He hurtled through a poorly installed crash barrier where the impact caused his own seatbelt to slit his throat. The Italian authorities charged Chapman with manslaughter. Since he was the man responsible for the car, he was acquitted six years later. One of Chapman's rivals said that man should have his own private graveyard. In nineteen seventy seven, Chapman was reinvigorated by an eruption of fresh ideas.

12:59 And if he got this idea right, the car would feel like it was cornering on rails. Chapman laid out all of his thinking in a rambling twenty seven page memo. To the Lotus R D department. The crux of it was an insight that no one else had fully considered yet. And the idea they refer to as ground effects is

13:17 generating down force, but from underneath the car. Chapman wondered, what if he could add to that effect from underneath the car? The concept works so dramatically that when Mario Andre asked if he could try it out at a Grand Prix in late nineteen seventy six, so they start building the prototype. In seventy five is gonna be ready for seventy seven. halfway through the seventy six season.

13:38 Chapman had it ready. So his driver It's like hey, let's use it right now. Chapman responded with a firm no. Because he didn't want the other team seeing what fresh hell He was about to unleash on them.

13:49 Once Andretti finally got behind the wheel. he said that the Lotus Seventy eight might have well might as well been painted to the road That season Chapman's latest creation was by far the quickest Most advanced car on the grid. The next year's car was even better. Mario Andretti said the Lotus seventy nine was the closest thing that he'd ever driven to perfect.

14:09 He won the championship. The celebration was muted. Andretti's lotus teammate Ronnie Peterson had been involved in a fiery crash at the start of the race and died that night. It was the fifth fatality of a Lotus Driver. That tragic championship would be Chapman's last. But his worst decisions still lay ahead.

14:28 This is the part of the story where John DeLorean makes an appearance. DeLorean was a smooth talking former General Motors executive. DeLorean approached Chapman with a couple of proposals in the late 1970s. He had a scheme to build DeLorean cars in Northern Ireland. By using grants from the British government. With the UK facing mass unemployment, the government signed up to the tune of tens of millions of pounds. Completely unaware.

14:52 The DeLoreans company was a financial house of cards. Lotus would help design the chassis for a fee of seventeen million dollars. Only none of that money ever found its way to Lotus for developing the car, so British prosecutors had been tipped off to this whole arrangement. They allege

15:09 That DeLorean had pocketed eight point five million of the government fee. Well Chapman. Had taken eight million for himself. In the fall of nineteen eighty two, DeLorean was arrested in a sting operation while attempting to buy two hundred and twenty kilograms of cocaine with the attempt to distribute.

15:26 In England, Chapman could feel the walls closing in. Weeks later, wrought by stress, he died of a heart attack. Chapman potentially facing a decade in prison was only fifty four years old. One story that circulated at a time that he actually faked his own death. Even with six drivers titles, seven constructor championships, and a half a dozen revolutionary designs. A stage heart attack and subsequent disappearance.

15:51 Was one bit of engineering beyond the talents of Colin Chapman. His legacy. was generations of engineers who made it their life's purpose to bend every rule in Formula One. In the name of going faster. Their diligence, sharpened by relentless competition, would put the sport on the cutting edge of automotive creativity. Prototyp went from their sleep deprived brains straight on to the tarmac in a matter of weeks.

16:19 If they could imagine it. And it wasn't expressly forbidden. Then they ered it for as long as they could until it was legislated out of existence. To anyone who had ever raced. The men responsible for pushing the boundaries of Formula One.

16:33 We're certifiable geniuses. That was an excerpt from the book that I want to talk to you about today, which is the formula, how rogues, geniuses, and speed freaks re-engineered F1 into the world's fastest growing sport. And is written by Joshua Robinson and Jonathan Clegg. So I was not expecting At all. to do this episode this week. In fact I'm working on two other uh founders founder episodes.

16:55 Uh at the same time. But I was talking to Peter Tia. So Peter Tia Uh is a doctor. He's a podcaster, now he's a best selling author. But he's also completely obsessed.

17:05 With Formula One and has been for a long time. So I told him I'd just Got into the sport. And so he gave me this book recommendation, then he gave me another documentary that I uh that I watched twice. The documentary I'll link both uh down below the documentary You can actually watch it for free on YouTube. It's called One. But once I started this book and I started listening to the audiobook first, I listened to the audio book twice actually before I read the book.

17:27 The reason I knew I had to do an episode is'cause it was completely compelled. I could not put this book down. And so instead of focusing on just a single individual like I normally do. There's I picked out three people. There's, you know, probably eight, ten different and interesting people that I could do episodes on alone, but I picked out three people. I just want to give you like short profiles on and pull out some of the most unique ideas they have. And what I said earlier. is is why they these people are so fascinating to me. It's like they came into something

17:51 That had already existed. They looked at what everybody else was doing, their you know, modus operandi, their way of doing things, like, Well, I have my own ideas and I'm gonna spend a lot of my life, energy, and my time. And my money and my resources to seeing these ideas come to fruition. So Colin Chapman was the mad scientist where he's focused on actually building the car. The next person I want to talk to you about. His nickname is F one Supremo.

18:14 This is Bernie Ecclestone. Bernie made more money off of F one than anybody else. And so his innovation is actually in the business, the pro how do you promote This very unique sport. And then how do you make it into a business because when he comes into it, most of the people

18:30 are losing money racing. There was no sustainable business model, it was very fractured, and I think he just got a w a a a a ton. of in really interesting ideas on how to actually build the how he built the business of F one. So says Bernie Ecklestone had a lot of reasons to admire Enzo Ferrari. When he first entered the sport in nineteen seventy as a sharp used car dealer who turned himself into a driver agent, Eccleson knew

18:52 That Enzo had been a force to be reckoned with for nearly twenty years. Not only did Enzo wield tremendous influence over the direction of Formula One. But Enzo learned That there was more to this whole racing game than winning races. Ferrari understood that image matter. That a veneer of class mattered.

19:09 And more than anything, getting your way mattered. The sport is on the table, Enzo once told Bernie. And the business is underneath it. These were values that Ecclestone had understood instinctively since the school playground. when he sold cookies and buns at a markup, having just bought them from the local bakery with the money from his newspaper route.

19:31 А за кід і книг скрапфері. It's not as if his parents would ever be in a position to help. His dad was a fisherman, his mom was a stay at home mom. Their first house didn't even have indoor plumbing. This guy is going to make himself billions of dollars and he grew up in a house. without indoor plumbing.

19:49 And where he grew up was really important, just like with Colin Chapman. Eccleson is also growing up in London. in the Kent neighborhood. Says Kent was being built back from the damage inflicted by German bombers, Ecclestone became keenly aware of the growing demand for car and motorcycle parts. Uh so he's actually trading parts. This is one of his first businesses.

20:08 It didn't take long for him to start dealing in whole cars and motorcycles. And then he honed his skills. Among the sharks. He's dealing with rough people in a rough neighborhood. Remember, uh fundamentally his story, this story that I wanna tell you is like How did a used car dealer turn himself into a Formula One billionaire?

20:25 In that world of thugs and east end gangsters, the five foot two Ecclestone Had somehow carved out a spot for himself. He's making enough money, so then he establishes he goes he wants to sell more luxury cars. He establishes a sparkling all white showroom in the outer reach of south east London. Business was booming. The fisherman's son now carried wads of bills. In his bespoke suits.

20:49 Be as immaculate as his appearance. He's obsessed with cleanliness. He starts selling a bunch of luxury cars. Before long, Eccleson wasn't just selling cars to chic Londoners. He was loaning those customers the money to buy them as well. As he raked in cash, selling cars and collecting interest, his passion for racing never left him. Eckelson had scared the living daylights out of himself in at least one serious crash.

21:11 The death of his close friend, the driver Stuart Lewis Evans from burns sustained. at the nineteen fifty eight Moroccan Grand Prix had convinced Eccleson to give up racing forever. But he wasn't ready to quit the game. In addition to being his friend Eccleson had also been Lewis Evan Evans manager.

21:29 By the mid nineteen sixties, Eccleson was hanging out in Formula One circles and developing a deep bond with the driver Jochen Rint, who I Yaken Rent, I think is how you pronounce it, is the one I just told you about, that died that wrote the letter to Chapman and then wind up dying sixteen months later. Their friendship morphed eventually into a business partnership. This one too. ended in tragedy. Eccleston says to this day that he never recovered. From his friend's death. At the wheel of the Lotus Seventy Two car. Strangely though, Bernie only increased his commitment to the sport after the accident.

21:58 Eccleson bought a team for a hundred thousand pounds, which would be the equivalent for about a little less than two million dollars today. Being a team owner came with a serious perk. This is again how he's going to maneuver himself into position of power. It gave him entry to the periodic meetings. Of the British constructors. So they're the racing car team owners.

22:15 They would get together to discuss all the pressing issues in the sport. It was around this time that Ecclestone also met the most famous car builder in the world, Enzo Ferrari. Ecclestone and Ferrari grasped early on what racing fans were coming to see. So the Ferraris were the stars. Whether supporters cheered for them or against them. The Ferraris were by far the most important team. And as it turned out, no one would get richer off of the Ferrari Mystique than Bernie.

22:40 In order to make his fortune, which would swell into the billions, Eccleson admits that there was never a plan, nor did anyone know exactly how rich he was. That was one of the two things he wouldn't talk about. You'll never get me to discuss last night, he once said, or money. Bernie wasn't like a driver who knew every bump and curve. of the of a racetrack's corners. Nor was he like the engineers who could predict how a complex puzzle of airflow

23:03 horsepower and rubber might behave. Yet he understood how to succeed in F one as well as anyone. I read each chapter multiple times before I sat down and talked to you. And when I re read This highlight, I thought of a line from one of my favorite books, which is by Will and Ariel Durant. It's called The Lessons of History.

23:20 And it says history reports that the men who can manage men manage the men who can manage only things. And the men who can manage money. Manages all. Ecklestone. Managed

23:32 F one's money. And he did that for nearly four decades. More on how Bernie worked. The recipe was to exploit loopholes, uncertainty in anything that wasn't spelled out in binding legalese. And once you've done that, guard those secrets like a Soviet spy. Share only what you're you are compelled to share.

23:49 And never let anyone peek inside the garage. It is no coincidence. That the motorhome that followed him around to all the races From the early nineteen nineties became known as the Kremlin. Your problem is you always want things absolutely clear. Bernie once told a close associate.

24:05 And sometimes it's better if things are not clear. When you live into your nineties as a billionaire architect of a massively popular sport, marry three times, and watch your daughters grow into full time famous people, the public tends to get curious. But everything you need to know. How Bernard Ecclestone built the foundations of modern formula one.

24:26 And ran his three ring circus for more than forty years. Can be boiled down. To one. fundamental skill. He was wired to make deals.

24:36 Eccleston used that six cents for deal making to revolutionize Formula One in three critical areas. The first was taking control of the team's relationship with the racetracks. The second was harnessing television. The single force on which every modern sports empire is built. And the third

24:54 was seizing on the importance of sponsorship. Eccleson's purpose in life became to grow Formula One from his very first meetings with F One's other team owners. Eccleson sniffed opportunity. This part was fascinating. Some of the people around the table had been hugely successful in the auto industry, and others were brilliant designers or racers. But if he was being honest. Enzo Ferrari aside

25:16 These weren't sharks. They weren't as crafty as the gamblers he met on his regular trips to the casino. Nor were they as cutthroat. As the gang of used car dealers he knew back in London. Worst of all, none of them had any real money for all of their technical acumen. Eccleson couldn't believe how frequently and bitterly The teams complain about being on the verge of bankruptcy. So I got to this section and made me think of one of my favorite things that Buffett ever said, Warren Buffett ever said.

25:42 He said the important thing is to keep playing. to play against weak opponents and to play for big stakes. That is exactly what Bernie's going to do. The reason soon became clear to him. The constructors without a lick of commercial sense between them. Couldn't agree on anything.

25:57 All of it stemmed, Bernie thought, from their failure to realize a fundamental reality of Formula One. The teams were only really rivals for a couple of hours a dozen times a year on the track. They needed to understand But the rest of the time they were business partners. Instead

26:13 Every outfit from Colin Chapman's lotuses to To Enzo Ferraris Ferrari was out there acting alone for their own small time interest. Teams negotiated appearance fees individually with each circuit. They didn't discuss their finances with each other. If they thought they would make up their shortfall in prize money

26:32 They were sadly mistaken. The races in those days Offered purses. of barely ten thousand dollars. So Bernie, another thing that was genius about this. is he is early. He is very

26:44 Very early I think I just read that the annual prize money now for Formula One is over two billion a year. Bernie is coming up with these ideas. When they're offering ten thousand dollars to win a waste.

26:56 No one was quite sure who was running the show either. The F one calendar was an ever changing mishmash of races controlled by local automobile clubs. The schedule was so chaotic. That promoters couldn't even guarantee that every team would show up to every race. And so they use the example of the nineteen seventy season. In the nineteen seventy season, only seven of the twelve teams competed in every single race.

27:17 To Echo Stin, the whole ad hoc money losing setup. Was nothing short of outrageous. What was the point of ferrying cars, drivers, and mechanics as far away as Canada and South Africa if the team was only gonna come home several thousand pounds later? What the teams needed was to work together, controlling the terms and negotiating as one. They could be a cartel if they wanted.

27:38 They just didn't know it yet. And so I was reading another profile of Bernie and I came across this great description of what he changed. He says promoters were used to haggling with shoestring privateer teams. suddenly found themselves facing a united front. Lead.

27:54 by a ruthlessly effective negotiator. So this is his proposed solution. Eckelson proposed That the British Outfits form a company that would optimize the logistics of racing in Formula One and make sure everyone got paid fairly, on time, and in full. The other owners shout Bernie down at first. They had no interest in adding more negotiations and more administrative nonsense to their workloads.

28:15 We'll all do it, Eccleson said. But I want a fee. Remember this moment. Eccleson was offering to take on all the responsibility and a hundred percent of the risk. To guarantee proper appearance money for the teams wherever they raced.

28:28 It's the precise instant. When the sands of the entire sport began to shift. Eccleson would make the deals with the circuits and he would make sure the whole show turned up. All Bernie wanted in return. was eight percent.

28:42 Of whatever the promoter shelled out. to the group of teams that would eventually form the formula one Constructor Association, which is this organization that Bernie is founding. It was more than acceptable price for the luxury of never worrying about this stuff again.

28:58 And then we'll see that Bernie has a little bit of like Michael Ovitz in him. At the end of nineteen seventy-two season, his first season in the game, Bernie went to all the European promoters demanding that they increase the prize fund. to forty three thousand pounds. And he does this over and over again. So that was in nineteen seventy two. By nineteen seventy six, the demands were up to a hundred and fifty thousand pounds a race. Then the next year a hundred sixty five thousand pounds a race, then a hundred and ninety thousand pounds a race.

29:22 If circuits weren't prepared to pay. Then the teams just wouldn't go. Eccleson had no problem making himself an annoyance because he knew everything always came down to money. Even when they acted like it didn't. Enzo Ferrari had taught him that much. Is the advice that Enzo Ferrari gave Bernie Ecclestone.

29:39 You should never let people know you're running a brothel. You have to pretend it's a hotel and keep the brothel in the basement. Bernie's role at FOCA, this organization he just founded. Would see him spend a decade wrangling the strange, confusing world of motorsport politics. His great ally in this oh this is so such a

29:58 It's such a wild story. His great ally in this was an upper crust. British lawyer named Max Mosley, who refined whose refined upbringing and polished education was everything Bernie's background was not. Mosley had a family tree studied with barons and dames. He had been raised in France, Germany. and educated a British boarding school.

30:18 This is how Bernie describes their partnership. I was the used car dealer. He was the barrister. But there's also some dark stuff going on in Max's family. His father Oswald Mosley was the leader of the British Union of Fascists. And in two thousand eight, so it's many decades into the future. There's actually

30:36 The News of the World tabloid obtained footage of Mosley engaged In what they called a sick Nazi orgy with five hookers. Mosley successfully sued the paper for a breach of privacy, admitting to the extracurricular activities. But denying that there were any Nazi themes. So

30:53 I actually looked up to see if there's any interviews or if he was still alive and uh found out that Max Mosley was actually diagnosed with terminal cancer in at the age of eighty one. And instead of letting the cancer took his take his life, he actually shot himself in the head. But long before Mosley was doing all this these exotic parties and doing all this crazy stuff he was doing, he was actually the perfect partner for Ecclestone. Bernie drove the hard bargain. Mosley considered the long game.

31:18 But Mosley admired his new partner. Bernie's lawyer said something funny about him that I wanna tell you. He uh his Bernie's own lawyer said that uh he had a great talent for getting himself out of trouble that he got himself into the first place. Mosley was perfectly dialed into Bernie's negotiating tactics, which were primarily cooked up to drive people nuts. The routine was essentially good cop, bad cop, while the urbane, conciliatory, mostly engage with whoever's across the table. Eccleson delighted in showing how quickly he could lose interest. In fact

31:46 Bernie would say so. Or he would just stand up while people were talking to adjust picture frames on the wall. Or he would schedule flights really close to meetings in order to squeeze shut. The battle for control of the sport. Dragged on for nearly a decade. between Eccleston's Foca

32:02 And the confusing collection of acronyms That made up motorsports world governing body. So there's this huge fight for like a decade between Bernie's Foca. And this other organization called FISA. The president of FISA, they describe in the book, as a French blowhard.

32:18 Hom Ecclestone came to despise. So his name was Jean Marie Balastre. And so this disagreement between FISA and Foca was described as a war. The war that erupted between Foca and FISA wasn't about any one specific thing other than control the sport. Though the two sides opened up plenty of fronts. They argued about technical regulations, about circuits, and above all, they argued about cash.

32:39 Races were run under the constant threat of teams pulling out at the last minute. Drivers going on strike. Or FISA yanking away world championship points, which was no way to run a league. This is how they described. The analogy using two other sports. The NFL didn't schedule games, wondering who might turn up.

32:56 And Wimbledon didn't threaten to lock players out of center court. The uncertainty was exactly what anyone hoping to appeal to sponsors didn't need. And so they finally hammer out a deal, and this is another turning point in Bernie's life and career. In early nineteen eighty one, after talks in Italy and Paris, they reach a compromise. Feiston would control all technical and sporting matters.

33:15 And Foca with all of its financial power was left in charge of promoting Formula One. Which is all Bernie really wanted anyway. And so they signed this agreement which they call the Concord Agreement. Let me read this description of what the Concord agreement meant. This confidential pact whose name evoked in diplomacy and whose terms read like a complex treaty.

33:33 Granted Foca and Ecclestone the rights to negotiate television deals and manage the sport's commercial aspects. The governing body in turn kept its prestige with a share of revenues but seeded day to day promotional control. It was in effect a transfer of power to From gentlemen amateur amateurs to hard nosed businessmen. As part of the deal.

33:53 Eccleson would take the lion's share of the growing T V and sponsorship money, a cut That would make him fabulously wealthy in the decades to come. Now there's another crazy thing that was mentioned in a documentary that I watched that I mentioned earlier. Bernie actually offers the other teams to buy into this. So he goes in the documentary and says

34:11 That Burnie said that he paid a miljoner. to get the T V rates for F one, there's ten teams. I will sell each of you ten percent. For a hundred thousand dollars, and one of the team owners is actually interviewed in the documentary. And he says us nine idiots all said no. And so b Bernie actually takes on the risk alone.

34:29 And maintains the ownership. This is what is gonna build, you know, his great fortune. And again, he is early. Among the various concessions he secured for himself, Bernie had made sure that the deal placed the sports broadcast lights rights under his control. Considering What the British and European TV landscape for sports look like in those days, no one realized. That they had surrendered a potential Cash cow. There's actually a lesson from the history of entrepreneurship that's really important about this. Don't give up future rights.

34:53 Walt Disney. His one of his heroes was Charlie Chapman. Charlie Chapman was one of the founders of United Art Artists. Disney had a deal with United Artists. Then when they went to resign Disney refused to give United Artists The T V rights

35:07 for Disney's IP At a time. When there was only like a few thousand TVs in existence, and Disney was adamant about not giving up control. So much so that that caused him to have to break away from one of his hero's companies'cause he was just completely refused to give up future rights.

35:25 We see this we see That Fisa. And then their leader, which we'll talk about the It's even crazier'cause at this time I think they they still have like thirty percent of the T V rates and they sell it for like nine million dollars for years. No, it's just nuts. Just this idea. It's like You see it over and over again. You just handed away something you had no idea.

35:41 This is you know, nineteen eighty one. You have no idea how valuable these rights are going to be in the in the years to come. And so they're talking about the at the time he's making the deal, few broadcasters carried any live any races live yet. What little footage appeared. was shot during short sections of the race.

35:58 Then flown back to Europe and cut into highlight packages for news programs. And because F one had to take whatever sponsors it could get at the time, remember they don't have a lot of money. This actually caused conflict with some of the broadcaster. So the BBC the BBC Had refused to show F one for much of the season. because it objected to one of the team's sponsorship deals.

36:19 Which was this company. Which I'd never heard of before. called the London Rubber Company. I was like, Well what's the problem with the London r London rubber company? Problem is the the London rubber companies Most popular product.

36:31 Was Durex Condoms. You were driving cars around. Advertising condoms. And so they're like, We're not putting this on air, you crazy. And so the advantage here, again, when you just look at what's happening, and I highly will recommend reading this book and then just spending a lot of time in each chapter.

36:49 You just To Bernie, this is like the system is so Backwards. And if you it was just very chaotic. And one of the things that he just does over and over again. He just Adds order to where there is chaos.

37:00 And he's g he he's got a lot of ideas. So like think about this. And I would say many of these ideas. They're kinda like opportunities hiding in plain sight. Again, going back what I what I think is the main theme of what I'm trying to t to to t to talk to you about. It's just like Seeing what everybody else does and just like what can I do that's different? I don't wanna just copy like I can keep like

37:18 He is innovating in an existing sport. The sport has been going on for decades at this point. Yeah, so i this idea is like I don't know, like T V seems to be really valuable. Then he also does smart things, which I'll talk to you about in a minute, where you like Well look what The NFL's doing with TV and

37:31 America. Like why can't we just take that idea? And apply it to our sport in Europe. Another idea he had'cause he was always trying to go like high end. And I'll talk more about this later. But he's like, Okay, well the paddock, right, where all the teams are during the races. They it used to be like closed off.

37:46 They were like obsessed with secrecy, you just have the engineers and the mechanics there. And he's like Yeah, but this is like a very high end Exclusive area. You know how concerts have like they can sell a lot for like backstage passes. Well, what's the backstage pass for F one?

38:01 It's Access to the paddock. And we could sell that to sponsors to bring their customers. We can have celebrities back there, power brokers. And uh I've been invited to multiple F one races and I I've had to say no uh both times'cause of working on the podcast.

38:13 And uh one of'em was in Miami and I didn't know it. In the book it says like the these tickets or if you can even buy them, in many cases you'd have to be a sponsor. They were run to the tens of thousands now. Again, this is like half a century. From when Bernie's thinking about it. Where's just like this idea is hiding in plain sight.

38:29 Like we have assets that we're not using. It's just right there. We just have to think differently. to carve them out, to create them. So says Eccleson knew that television remained the future. He'd spent time in the United States where the where the NFL was turning TV into its purpose for existing. Burney had also come across a young American agent. spent the nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies revolutionizing golf and tennis by building his clients into household

38:53 television names starting with Arnold Palmer. Again. His idea is like we could just do the same with F1 drivers and look at today. Go look at the top F one drivers and then look at how many people. follow and engage on social media.

39:06 They're some of the most famous people on the planet,'cause there's only twenty of them. Eccleson had the potential to do the same for Formula One. The most significant deal came almost immediately. So he g he does deal with this It says cumbersome bureaucratic bureaucratic beast.

39:21 Broadcasting union, the EBU. So this is an umbrella group. There represents ninety two public broadcasters across the European continent. And Ecclestone convinced them that F one Racing was a product that they desperately needed. He's a great Salesman.

39:36 There were just a few conditions. No longer could they cherry pick the best races and ignore the rest. It was too easy for them to show like the Monaco Grand Prix. And then ditch the one the race that's in like Sweden. If they wanted Formula One. They'd have to commit to it. By airing every single Grand Prix in its entirety. Again.

39:54 Think about what he's doing. He's taking something that's cha chaotic and organizing and and just applying order to it. How the hell are you gonna grow your sport? How you gonna your your customers, your fans, your your viewers, if they don't know It's like okay, the Monaco's on. And then

40:08 What about next week's ra race? I turn on the TV. There's nothing there. No explanation. Where is this thing? It has to be organized. And then he does something really smart at the very beginning. He's like, listen, I'm not even gonna charge you that much. The money The the estimate on this deal was like low seven figures.

40:21 But he's he Eckleson's point's like I don't care about the cash. What I care about is the visibility Because the real cash is from the sponsors. By securing large chunks of airtime for races on television stations across Europe, he had manufactured hundreds of hours Of new exposure for F one sponsors. Everything from the logos on the cars

40:39 To the boards by the side of the track. We're now guaranteed eyeballs. And he lets that deal build up his own sport. Іноформоста декад. And he's like, Oh wait, I actually have a better idea h here now.

40:52 So he'd been working his use car dealer magic on T V executives all over the continent and figured That the once critical EBU agreement can now be dispensed like an old tire. If you could sell the T V rate separately. In each country.

41:05 There was a fortune to be made. Who needed one bulk deal when he could make dozens of smaller ones? By nineteen ninety. F one claimed a global audience. for the season north of one point two billion viewers.

41:17 In order to keep growing that number. Ecklestone pursued his efforts to profess professionalize the series. He moved the start of every Grand Prix to two PM Europe time. So that people knew where and when

41:29 The races again imposing order where there was chaos. He also convinced broadcasters. To build programming around the start and finish of the events to generate more screen time. For the cars and circuits.

41:42 All of which push the value of F one's T V rights for a five year cycle. to a hundred and twenty millies. The most remarkable thing about the price which dwarfed anything happening in other European b and any other European based sport. Wasn't just the size of it.

41:57 It was exactly how much of that money to Eccleson. So I'm gonna get we're gonna get into how much money this guy he's the highest paid executive in Britain. Okay. How much money this guy was paying himself?

42:07 But I need to point the make this point that's so important. We're talking everybody's like wow, look how much money they're making in nineteen ninety. He got involved in the sport in nineteen sixty, nineteen sixty one, nineteen sixty two. This guy Did not interrupt the compounding.

42:22 Now The rights in F F one itself has been, you know, sold over and over again since then. But he built his career. I think he was forty five. I think he's forty four or something like that, by the time he starts doing this. And I think when he finally stops, he's like like in his mid eighties.

42:35 So back to this. It was exactly how much of that money found its way directly back to Eccleson. So they They do another Concord agreement. Under that agreement. thirty percent of the broadcast revenue goes to that governing body, while the rest went to Ecclestone and the teams.

42:48 But after the end of the EBU agreement, which was the the bulk deal he did with the ninety two and ninety something broadcasters, right? The this is so Crazy to me. The FA Got spooked about the future of television.

43:01 Which suited Bernie perfectly. They traded away its thirty percent stake. Of the T V rights. For nine million dollars. I don't know if this is true, but there is a rumor. Keep in mind. There's a rumor.

43:15 That Liberty Media Media, who owns the rights today. Turn down a twenty billion dollar offer. from Saudi Arabia for those rights. Thirty some odd years earlier. The FIA sells their rights

43:29 thirty percent of these rates for nine million dollars by taking the guaranteed cash now. Bernie's nemesis, the one he hates. had no clue how much he was leaving on the table in the future in a lifetime. Of questionable decisions. This was surely the most expensive.

43:43 Bernie had beaten him once. And for all. And here's another way that Bernie built the business. and made more money. Bernie's strategy was to tell every race organizer that they weren't important. He told them that he didn't really want more Grand Prix, the teams didn't want more races, and they were the ones getting cut. And so these hosting fees actually looked us up.

44:02 Now countries pay a ton of money to Formula One. To host a race in their country. The numbers I found, which they said it ranges anywhere from twenty million a year to all the way up to fifty-seven million a year. By the nineteen nineties it had become a legitimate question around the sport. Who owned Formula One? Bernie Eccleson insisted there was only ever one answer. He controlled the television rights.

44:23 And was well onto way his way of controlling the commercial rights too. He was also in charge of negotiating with the circuits and local promoters. As far as Eccleson was concerned. All of that amounted. to controlling formula one nobody was there trying to stop me From doing something that I thought was good, he says.

44:39 What all of his opponents had found was that the appearance of chaos around Eccleston was in fact his greatest weapon. No one was ever quite sure. Where they stood. No one could sense when things were about to change. No one could even look up anything. The only complete and accurate accounting of F one's operations existed not in the regulatory finding filings or tax returns. But inside Eccleston's head.

45:02 I carry out my business in a very unusual way, he said. I don't like contracts. I like to be able to look someone in the eye and then shake them by the hand. Rather than do it the American way with ninety two page contracts that no one reads or understands. If I say I'll do something, then I'll do it. If I say I won't, then I won't.

45:18 Surprisingly, people seem to like that. All major decisions about where F one raced and how it looked like now went through Bernie and so did most of the profits in nineteen eighty nine Some driver salaries reach the unprecedented heights of six miljon a year. Eccleston was pocketing a million a race. And so this is the funny part too that you always notice if if things are working, the numbers always get bigger than you could possibly expect.

45:42 So I have on my desk uh printed out. uh the the highest salary for an MBA player. I think it starts with like, you know, it it goes back sixty years or something. Starts like eight thousand a year. you know, all the way up I think now it's like seventy five million years or something like that. So in nineteen eighty nine they're like, Oh my God These driver salary salaries are so high, it's unprecedented. They're making six million a year.

46:02 The top drivers now get paid just for their salary, like sixty five million a year. And you just see that happen over and over again. Things grow way bigger than people anticipate. I'll take as much money as I can get and I don't get as much as I should, Bernie said. He was the highest paid executive in Britain. In nineteen ninety three, his combined salary from the two companies he used for selling television and sponsorship rates amounted to forty four million dollars. The people responsible for actually racing Formula One cars could hardly wrap their heads around what was happening to their sport. This is

46:32 Maybe the most important part. Eccleson had been one of them. Just another constructor, just another team owner. Хопін то бил а квик кар. And find a half decent driver to sit in it.

46:43 Now he was profiting from their work on a scale. That no one had seen who had seen F one. In the rag tag. Nineteen sixties and nineteen seventy's had ever Imagined.

46:54 They put limits. On their work. They put limits. On their opportunity. Bernie did not, one of my favorite Bruce Lee quotes is like if you always put limits on what you can do, physical or other and or otherwise, it'll spread into the rest of your life.

47:07 It'll spread into your work. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, but you must not stay there. You must go beyond them. That's exactly what Bernie did. They stayed there. He went beyond them. You've stolen F one from the teams, another constructor shouted at Bernie. Bernie disagreed. Eccleson felt that the only reason they could still afford to put fuel in their cars and tires on their wheels was him.

47:28 What wasn't up for debate was that by the early nineteen nineties, Eccleson had made Formula One more popular than it had ever been. F one was now broadcast in more than a hundred countries. It boasted ratings of two hundred million viewers. Per race. Twenty years

47:43 After he entered the sport as an outsider. That's another important point about out being an outsider. Bernie was now pulling all of the strings. Even if no one was quite sure who owned Formule One. There was no longer any doubt.

47:57 That the man known around the paddock as a supremo. was in charge. One of my favorite maximums from Game of Throne is those on the margin often come to control the center. It's exactly what happened with Bernie. It's what happened with Chapman. It's what happened with where I'm going to talk about Dietrich. Mash is founder of Red Bull.

48:13 You see it over and over again in these books. So I got one more person I want to talk to about. One of my favorite founders. I I think one of the bet one of the best episodes I've ever done, one of the ones I'm most proud of, it's episode three thirty three. If you have not uh listened to it yet, or if you've listened to it when it came out, you know, a year or two ago, you should listen to it again. Think the title's uh Red Bulls. billion maniac billionaire found founder.

48:32 There were no Biographies of English. in English on Dietrich Maschis, the founder of Red Bull. And so we translated one fr from German. to make that episode. It's it it's one he's one of my favorite founders and one the way he thinks he's just a a complete like

48:46 outsider and got a little bit of crazy as we'll see. So He's the last person I wanna profile here. Dietrich Masters just never intended to build a Formula One world champion. But then he never intended to build a global energy drink empire either.

48:58 How he managed to pull off two such unlikely feats despite harboring no lifelong ambition to accomplish either one. Can be traced back to the same Basic impulse. Mashishist. was bored. He he gets bored very, very easily.

49:10 As a marketing executive in his native Austria, Mash has traveled the world hawking toothpaste, detergent, and women's cosmetics. He was stuck in a rut. Fast approaching forty. and tired of life on the corporate treadmill. This is what he said about that time of his life.

49:24 Right before he starts Red Bull. All I could see was the same gray airplanes. The same gray suits, the same gray faces. All the hotel bars looked the same and so did the women in them. Mashus was desperate for a way out of this monochrome nightmare. He found it on a business trip. to Thailand in nineteen eighty two.

49:41 Searching for something to take the edge off his jet lag. Maschus was offered a local pick me up. That was a favorite among long haul truck drivers. A syrupy Yellowish concoction cooked up by a Thai pharmacist as a cure for hangovers.

49:54 It hit mash it. Like a triple special shot to the eyeball. Within months he had quit his job and set up a company to start selling this miraculous stuff in the West. Before it reached the shelves. Matth just made a few tweaks to the recipe, okay, so

50:08 Again, I think that's a great Tweaking the recipe. And everything that he does is Mashitz Mmo and I think the main point in of this chapter. Master just wanted a carbonated, less concentrated version of the original, so he stripped the ingredients down to the essentials. Then he redesigned the traditional soda can into an eight ounce bullet shape.

50:26 And price it at two dollars a pop. To signal that this wasn't just another cola. By nineteen ninety eight, Red Bull had single handedly created a whole new category of beverage called energy drinks, was selling three hundred million cans worldwide. I think they sell like four billion cans. I forgot the number I just read. It was like four billion cans a year. It's nuts. Was selling three hundred million cans worldwide and had made Matchets a billionaire. The secret to Red Bull's success wasn't the flavor or its health benefits, but the ingenious way it was marketed.

50:52 And so this is one of the main points. I hope you go back and listen to episode three thirty three, because the way he Mash just viewed Red Bull. He called it a marketing conglomerate. His very unique idea was to outsource everything else but the marketing. He plasticed the Red Bull logo on skateboarders, base jumpers, cliff divers. Ice climbers, ultra marathoners, waterfall kayakers.

51:10 And all over Any oddball event in which thrill seeking lunatics Launched homemade flying machines. Off the end of a pier, all of which help to finance Mash this taste.

51:20 for acquiring his own aircraft. So you can actually go. He has a he has his own hangar. Mm-hmm. Well he had. He he passed away a few years ago. So and he had his uh He had his own hangar, but he really had it's like his own private air force. Rem remember the idea that he has his own private air force? This will come in later when he's recruiting for his Formula One team.

51:38 Uh and so He Red Bull is now financing. Hase for acquiring his own aircraft. And his personal desire to own

51:45 A private island in Fiji. Doesn't everybody want to own their own South Pacific Island, he said. Yet none of those endeavors embodied Red Bull's quintessential greeness of speed, endurance, and the imminent threat of mortal danger. quite like Formula One. Master system looked at F1 drivers and recognized them for what they really were. Over caffeinated adrenaline junkies with scant regard for their personal safety. So

52:07 This is pretty crazy. He the Red Bull sponsors I don't even know how many athletes today. The first person The first time They sponsor professional athlete is an F one driver. They're doing this all the way back in nineteen eighty nine. It is the Austrian driver.

52:21 Gerhard Berger. So that's his first place. Okay, well We're gonna sponsor individual drivers. Few years later it's like well Actually Why don't we uh

52:29 Sponsor entire teams. So that it became a Title sponsor. So kind of like the presenting sponsor, right? The title sponsor of a Swiss F one team.

52:38 Then a few years later, they're like, Hey, we're gonna establish our own driver development program so we can identify young prospects. That have F one potential. And they just keep finding more and more ways to ingratiate themselves and invest in F one. It says even other billionaires. With a gift for marketing and a thirst for speed, were surprised by how quickly Mashus ramped up his investment in the sport. So then there's a quote from Bernie Eccleson about

53:02 Dietrich Maschus. Like this guy is very, very good. At building a brand. That brand Was now linked to the world's premier motor racing series. Yet Mashus wasn't entirely satisfied.

53:14 So the problem was he's the presenting sponsor, right? Of a team. He's like this is not good. So he says if an insurance company sponsors a team and that team loses, people don't change their insurance company. But when the Red Bulls lose, people will get a new drink.

53:30 And so they had the idea, they're like, Well We don't actually just Don't just only sponsor other uh events. And other athletes, we actually create our own events.

53:39 And like we dream up. These like spectacles and we actually own them. So why don't we do the same thing for Formula One? So he buys The four Jaguar F one team, which I guess was in bad straits because he gets it for one pound sterling. Renames it Red Bull Racing.

53:53 Once again, what is his first instinct? To tweak the recipe. He wants Red Bull to be the loudest team and they're gonna come into every single thing. Again, I think this is one of the most important points of of the chapter. The most important idea is what's gonna happen here. We always thought

54:08 That if the old teams did something one way Is that necessarily the way Red Bull would do it? And if it's not the way we would do it, then why don't we change it? The first thing they do. is there's these motor homes that every team comes to the track.

54:23 Every team parks these motorhomes. In the paddock. At the time the express purpose is for To talk to your sponsors. And to hold technical meetings.

54:31 Well, Red Bull had something a little different in mind. So they build this giant thing they call the energy station. It is a gleaming three story glass and steel edifice. With a hydraulic roof that lit up at night to reveal a nightclub on the upper deck. They said it looked much more like a spaceship. That a spaceship had landed.

54:49 In the paddock. The most radical part of the energy station wasn't even the design. It was the door policy. At the time, the team motor home was supposed to be one of the most sacred and private enclaves in the paddock. A place where deals were made and race strategies were devised. But Red Bull threw its doors wide open and welcomed everyone. Mechanics, drivers, engineers, and team principals. It didn't matter who you were or which team you worked for. Anyone with a paddock pass around their neck was welcome.

55:15 To to come to the parties on the energy station roof. Where guests could listen to electronic dance music while knocking back a couple of beers or vodka Red Bulls. Red Bull soon established itself as the sport's foremost disruptor. Seemingly determined to challenge every unwritten rule So they love the energy

55:35 Station idea. But the most famous F one race takes place in Monaco. energy station's not going to fit there. So like oh Okay, so we'll build one that's just for Monaco. And we're gonna make sure it floats so we can put it in the Mediterranean Sea.

55:47 Says the team commission a ginormous floating pontoon. Which was assembled and stored in the Alps. Until the week before the Grand Prix. When it was hauled

55:57 There was some seventy engineers who spent twenty one days make constructing this. So it fits on top of the pontoon. This one was equipped with a DJ booth and a swimming pool and a further six And they took six hours of sailing this entire monolith. Forty miles down the coast. Where then they docked it in the Monaco harbor right next to these giant super yachts.

56:18 Dietrich was having so much fun that he do I love this guy. He was having so much fun that he soon decided that owning one F one team wasn't enough. Лести афришн Red Bull Racing, Mashus acquires a second team. This was clearly a company planning for the long term. I there was a lot of people on the sport that would

56:37 You know come in, they would be all excited. They could even burn hundreds of millions of dollars and then they disappear. But Dietrich wasn't like this. Mashis and his Red Bull Empire weren't going anywhere. So now they start to focus like what is the the best possible marketing we could do for our F one team. Uh winning.

56:53 Winning is the is the is the best. possible marketing we could do. To achieve that goal of transforming his brash outsider into a genuine contender capable of toppling F one blue bloods Like Ferrari and McLaren. Mashes it's a little bit.

57:06 had made what may have been the most audacious gamble of his career. Remember that. The idea that energy drink. This Red Bull companies coming into F one where Ferrari has been racing for I don't know what fift thirty, forty years at this time? Those on the margins often come to control the center. It's exactly what's about to hire happen here.

57:24 So they call what he does next his most audacious gamble of his career inside of F one. He hired the youngest team principal in F one history. Handed him the keys to the entire operation and got out of the way. This is going to be Christian Horner. This is over twenty years ago. So says at the time Christian Horner is this thirty one year old had never who had never driven an F one car. Never worked for an F one team. possess no college degree or expertise in engineering, design, or aerodynamics.

57:50 But something about his keen understanding of how to marshal the resources of a racing outfit. In the lower categories of motorsport had impressed Mashes it. I've got big ambitions with this team. Dietrich told Horner.

58:02 I want it to be different. I want it to have different energy. We are not going to be corporate. We're going to do things the Red Bull way. The Red Bull way meant being unafraid of failure. It meant trusting your gut.

58:13 It meant giving youth an opportunity and occasionally rolling the dice, and I'm prepared To take a chance now. I'm willing to take a risk on you. And so their very first thing that they do is they need to find greater technical leadership and direction. So

58:29 Christian Horner. Sets his sight. Sites on recruiting. What is the most highly regarded Aerodynamics export.

58:36 in the sport. This guy named Adrian New I actually ordered several months ago when I started getting into F one. I ordered uh Adrian Newey wrote a book called How How to Make a Car. Or how to build a car, I think. Eventually gonna read it and and turn it to an episode, but

58:50 Adrian Newey has designed championship winning cars in three different decades. I'm just gonna pull out some other quotes, uh just give you some background, real quick background on how important this is. New he says that aerodynamics, which is the study of how air flows around a solid object, is the single biggest performance differentiator in F one and he is the Expert in that domain.

59:09 He understood that way before his peers, way before his peers. that the single biggest competitor wasn't the other cars, it was wind resistance. So he thought if he could defeat wind resistance better than the other teams, he would automatically win more races. And he has spent Forty years.

59:24 Thinking about every nick, groove, or cranny on the surface of a race car. And so what Christian Horner would do is he essentially just started stalking new eight. Knew he's working for another team at the time. And so he would just like randomly bump into Just like Oh, I I didn't know you were gonna be here. He knew he was going to be here.

59:40 knew he uh we talked about this his tactic was to build a relationship with me was by accidentally bumping into me All throughout the paddock. And so this happens over and over again, they start talking and what Horner realized is like Oh, new he's uh like he would at least entertain the thought of leaving One of the sport's most storied teams. for the F one equivalent of a startup, which is what Red Bull is at this point.

1:00:00 The only question they hadn't discussed at that stage was money, and that discussion would have to take place with Dietrich. Mashes it. So Horner and Nui fly to Salzburg. Then they take a helicopter into the Alps to have lunch with Dietrich. And then this part was hilarious. We showed him something of what Red Bull is like.

1:00:18 Among other things, we stuck him in one of our alpha jet fighters. And went inverted over a mountain at five hundred feet. No thank you. You can count me out on ever doing that. That that sounds terrifying. Uh so What happens, they wind up having a great lunch.

1:00:33 And then newbie tells Dietrich his number, and Dietrich does something that's really smart here. So it says uh when Dietrich discovered how much the world's highest paid racing designer was expecting to take home. He was unsure. If new we was worth that.

1:00:47 That price tag. So Mash just made a call. Red Bull's original Formula One driver and now he'd become one of his closest confidants. Gerhard, we have Adrian Newar here in Salzburg, but he is very, very expensive. What should we do? Well it depends, Berger replied.

1:01:02 Do you put on a second a lap? In other words, do you want to win or not? 'Cause if you want to win, pay the man. Adrian Newy was formally introduced.

1:01:14 as Red Bull's chief technical officer in November two thousand five with the stated aim of building the team into a championship contender. There was an energy about us. We were like a young band on our way up. Again, it's just like a startup. The band's first hit came in two thousand nine. The FIA had introduced sweeping new regulations designed to encourage More overtaking during races. The changes covered everything.

1:01:37 From the body work to the tires. The rule changes amount to a blank sheet of paper for designers. And the parallel that just jumps off the pages here? It's like so inside of F one, when they change the rules, right? The rule change changes amount to a blank sheet of paper for designers. You could think of if you think of all the different people that we we cover and we study together on this podcast. New technological waves are like that for business.

1:01:58 It allows you to think up something completely different, something you couldn't have done before without the invention of that technology. And now building a A company to take advantage. Of that. New technology.

1:02:09 In the same way they're building a car that could take advantage of these new regulations. And no designer was more comfortable staring at a blank piece of paper than Adrian Newey. I do enjoy regulation changes, says Newy. Perhaps the part of my job I enjoy the most. is figuring out what those regulations mean. What is their intention. And if they settle different

1:02:29 difference allows us to explore new horizons. The result of those explorations Was a red bull car. Unlike anything the team had produced before. This is exactly why you overpay talent, because it's imp nearly impossible to overpay for talent. Newe had digested the rules, changes, and produced a bold

1:02:47 and revolutionary design that went like a rocket ship. That was the car. They called RB five. He improved it even more for the RB six. The next year.

1:02:56 The result, the next year's result was the R B six. Nui estimates it generated more downforce than any car in Formula One history. That meant the R B six Could take some of the high speed corners. In the sport flat out.

1:03:09 It was as if the car was pasted to the track. Red Bull took pole position in fifteen of the nineteen races that year. And clinched its first world title. Thanks to massist investment, Horner's leadership, and Newy's genius, Red Bull had cracked the code. The team stomped its way.

1:03:26 Titles. Mash's team was now so powerful. So successful and so integral. To the future of Formula One.

1:03:34 That it was no longer an outsider. Red Bull. was a fully fledged paid up member of the establishment. The team that set out to upset the aristocrats.

1:03:43 Now occupied. The same rarefied air. as those automotive giants. Those on the margins often come to control the center. That maximum ties together all three of these remarkable people. Colin Chapman, Bernie Ecklestone.

1:03:56 Dietrich Mash says all outsiders, all people who took risk. All people who insisted on doing things Their own way. The book is full of people and ideas like this. I highly, highly recommend that you read it. If you buy the book using the link that's listed down below, you'll be supporting the podcast at the same time.

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