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There's no way that scale can recover from losing its founders. I love you, but it's a dead man walking instantly. I could imagine an entire IPO cycle where once again neither of the two names you cited chose to go out, and we get to the end of the year. I'm starting to lose confidence in the old guard. In situations of ambiguity, the person who has the most leverage has the best chance to win.

And I would argue Microsoft has quite a lot of leverage because it's not existential for them. I think they have no leverage, actually, honestly. I'm not trying to be a uh a chaos agent like our prior guest. It's time for my favorite show of the week where we sit down with Rory O'Driscoll and Jason Lamkin to discuss the biggest news stories from the week.

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