#396 The Obsession of Enzo Ferrari

0:00 It was often said that the greatest skill that Enzo Ferrari had was his ability to recognize talent. He spent his entire career Working with the very best people he could. Enzo Ferrari knew, just like Steve Jobs knew. Just like Jeff Bezos knew that you always bet on talent. In fact Steve Jobs has this great quote where he says A small team of A plus players can run circles around a giant team of B and C players.

0:22 Enzo Ferrari built the best cars in the world in a small workshop with a small team. Jeff Bezos believed in working with the most talented people. In fact Jeff said Setting the bar high in our approach to hiring has been and will continue to be the single most important element of Amazon's success. You must build a team. That pursues the A players.

0:44 That is exactly what Enzo Ferrari did, and it is exactly what Ramp did. Ramp is the presenting sponsor of this podcast. And Ramp has the most talented technical team in their industry. Becoming an engineer at ramp is nearly impossible. In the last twelve months. Ramp has hired only point two three percent of the people that have applied.

1:03 This means when you use ramp. You now have toп тір техніка талант. And some of the best AI engineers working on your behalf. Twenty four seven. To automate and improve all of your business's financial operations, and they do this.

1:16 On a single Platform. Ramp gives your business easy to use corporate cards for your entire team, automated expense reporting, and cost control. The longer you use Ramp, the more efficient your company becomes. Many of the fastest growing and most innovative companies in the world. Are running their business on ramp. Notion is an example of that. The CFO of Notion said this.

1:34 People ask how we're using AI and finance. And I have a simple answer for them. We use ramp. I run my business on ramp, so do most of the other top founders and COs I know. I hear from people that listen to this podcast every day that have switched to ramp and rave about the quality of the product. Make history's greatest expanders proud by going to ramp.com. To learn how they can help your business today. That is ramp.

1:53 dot com There's another tool in technology I want to tell you about, and Ramp actually uses this tool too. It is called Vanta. I told you how Ramp has the best technical talent in their industry. Now becoming an engineer at Ramp is nearly impossible. Knowing that the team at Ramp trusts Vanta was a huge positive signal for me. And when I talked to Vanta's founder, Christina, it became obvious why Ramp uses Vanta. Vanta helps your company prove. That you are secure so more customers will use your product or service. You can think of it

2:21 Like an intelligent security assistant. that helps your company pass audits without tons of manual work. This is important because number one, customers need to trust you. If your company handles sensitive data Customers wanna know that it's safe.

2:34 The certifications that Vanta helps you get. Or proof. That you take your security seriously. Number two. Vanta helps you win deals and close contracts. You will lose deals without it.

2:45 Many big companies will not sign contracts unless you're certified. No certification equals lost sales. That's why the average Vanta customer Reports a five hundred and twenty six percent return on investment. After becoming a vanta customer. Number three.

3:00 Manual compliance is slow and painful. Doing everything by hand takes months. The best companies will not tolerate wasting valuable time. Doing something with labor when technology can automate it. And number four.

3:12 Vanta helps you stay secure over time. keeps checking your system constantly so you don't fall behind or forget anything important. Your intelligent security assistant Works around the clock. Phantom will help you win trust. Close deals and stay secure.

3:26 Faster and with less effort. go to vanta dot com to learn more. And if you tell them that David from Founders sent you, they will give you a thousand dollars off. That is vanta dot com. The Ferrari is something special. Its whole profile implies speed and risk of life.

3:42 He gives a sense of immense power. Its pedometer goes up to a hundred and eighty miles per hour. Its luggage compartment is small. Seemingly to imply that he who travels fast. Carries little.

3:53 Анхідсь деф. Carries nothing. There's something about the car's enormous reserve of power. It's easy and precise handling. And it's very shaped.

4:03 That invites bravado. Ferrari is a masterpiece of automotive engineering, and like all masterpieces, it bespeaks the character of its creator. Enzo Ferrari. Enzo Ferrari is apt. To give the impression.

4:17 That the commercial Ferrari Masterpieces or not. Are merely a sideline. A means of making money to lavish on his obsession. The construction of Ferrari race cars.

4:29 To followers of motor racing, the name Ferrari has been famous for a generation. During this time they have won more international motor races. than the cars of any other maker. Ferrari is dedicated to winning races.

4:42 His heart is on the track. In the most dangerous of sports. Stoically accepting the deaths. He was once denounced by the Vatican as a Saturn.

4:54 A devourer of his own children. He has a reputation for a towering temper. Authoritarian methods and implacable stubbornness. This has made Ferrari. A diabolical symbol.

5:07 Most of the time he broods, concocting the ideas that will win the next race for Ferrari. Simply by nature. Ferrari is a forbidding man. His eyes are almost always covered by sunglasses. He greets visitors.

5:22 To his factory in a large, dark, bare office. Containing only the huge bare desk he sits at. A bare conference table. A few uncomfortable chairs. And one note of sentiment.

5:35 A frame picture of his son Dino. A young handsome man in his early twenties Who died of muscular dystrophy. Ten years ago, this profile that I'm reading from was first published in nineteen sixty six. Enzo was still alive and he was interviewed for it. Just how much time Enzo spends in his office questionable.

5:52 There are no files. Our papers. And one gets the impression that it is primarily a place of ceremony. If Ferrari approves of the visitor who encounters him He's capable of smiling and a considerable amount of hospitality. He actually has

6:05 I would say God level charisma. He's one of the greatest marketers, salespeople. and manipulators of men that has ever lived. I'll go into a lot more detail about that. The height of this hospitality is an invitation to visit his factory, which is off limits to most visitors, and particularly to journalists. He likes to protect his secrets. The place is fascinating.

6:26 As automobile factories go. It is very small. And it has the neatness of the workshop of a meticulous sculptor. Its smallness is, according to Ferrari. A great advantage.

6:37 I am not an industrialist, he explains. I am a constructor. In my little factory. I can make immediate changes in design. Which would require months of overhaul.

6:48 In a large mass production plant. I do not have the temperament of For mass production. I am interested in innovation. The factory employs about six hundred highly qualified workers.

7:02 And turns out about seven hundred and fifty cars a year. Half dozen of these cars. Are racing machines. In all these cars. Ferrari

7:12 Is concerned only with the chassis. And the engines. The bodies are not designed But stamped and welded in Turin. And then shipped to Ferrari.

7:22 He is obsessed with engines. Enzo once said I don't care if the door gaps are straight. When the driver steps on the gas, I want him to shit his pants. There's an assembly line of sorts, but it moves very slowly. Crankshafts are sculpt by hand.

7:37 From solid stіл. Each one requiring eighty six hours of work. by a highly skilled craftsman. Cylinder blocks. gearboxes and such are cast

7:48 From an aluminum alloy that's produced in a foundry on the premises. And to watch two men to pour the metal into the moulds recalls the casting of Renaissance statuary. Beautiful engines lie about. Fry looks at them with pride and occasionally pats them.

8:07 As another man might pat the head of a small child. Remember this part for later. He speaks of his creations. As if they're alive. He describes some of his products the way you would describe your lover. There is a small wind tunnel. There's a production department, and there's also a department of design in which engineers are busy with pencils and graphs.

8:26 The whole process is intimately connected. occupying what amounts to one enormous room. Enzo can keep an eye on everything that is going on Merely by walking a few yards. There is an air of austerity about the place.

8:41 And also an air of feverish dedication. Both of which Reflect Enzo's temperament. The commercial Ferraris Emerge right alongside the racing cars at a rate of not quite two a day.

8:55 When one compares this output And the care that goes into it. With the four thousand cars a day turned out by Fiat. Or the with the much larger output of most American firms. This is one of my favorite lines.

9:07 Із авіс. That a Ferrari is the product of a sort of automotive watchmaker. Ferrari rules like a dictator. He is intolerant of disagreement. And this has caused the resignation of skilled workmen and chief designers.

9:24 Along with his intolerance goes a perfectionism. And an amount of personal dedication. That are more apt to be found among artists than among industrial executives. Ferrari. has never taken a vacation in his life he is

9:39 Sixty seven When this profile is being written, he will continue working on Ferrari for another twenty three years. A reporter recently found him at work in the month of August. When virtually all Italian industry shuts down. He has given a gloom account of his devotion to work, saying that quote

9:57 One must keep working continuously, otherwise One thinks of death. Ferrari was born in Modena sixty seven years ago, and he lived there with his mother until her death a month ago. He also has a house in Marinello near the factory where he stays During particularly heavy schedules of work.

10:15 He has rarely left the vicinity. Since his early days as a racing driver. He once made a brief visit to Switzerland. But otherwise has never traveled outside of Italy. Modena is seldom visited by tourists. It is a very old fashioned town.

10:31 The citizens here are mostly tough. Muscular farmers are industrial workers. They keep to themselves and seldom venture far from the city. Ferrari

10:41 is characteristically modernise. His toughness, his pride. His temper. His faithfulness to the city. And his total lack of interest.

10:50 In visiting the world outside of it, even though his cars Are sold in the world's most cosmopolitan centers. Ferrari comes from a family traditionally employed in the working of metal. And like many Italian craftsmen He has inherited an almost intuitive feeling.

11:06 At the time he was born, his father owned a small ironworks. His father acted as his own designer. Chief Mechanic and Salesman. The family lived right next door to the shop.

11:19 Is among Ferrari's earliest childhood memories. There was an older brother. But both he and Enzo's father died in nineteen sixteen, when Enzo was only eighten. This sudden double loss created a feeling of loneliness and isolation.

11:37 That has pursued Ferrari throughout his career. In nineteen seventeen, shortly after the family tragedy, Ferrari was drafted by the Italian army. And because of his experience with iron work Was given a job shoing mules for the mountain artillery. He fell ill, had to undergo an operation, and was discharged from military service.

11:58 There followed several hit or miss jobs in the automobile industry. to which he felt naturally drawn. He tried to join Fiat. Which is the general motors of Italy. But was turned down.

12:11 Then he drifted into assembling spare automotive parts. Into what look like elegant and powerful cars. At a time when cars of any sort were hard to come by. Ferrari was learning a lot about automobiles, and he soon became a test driver. For C M N small and underfinance company.

12:29 The Italian automobile industry in the early nineteen twenties was undergoing a rapid conversion from wartime production of military vehicles. into the manufacturing of civilian cars. And in this sort of work. The smaller plants had certain advantages, which Ferrari was not to forget. For a time he was a racing driver for CMN.

12:48 А не найтін тварин сам. For the more glamorous firm of Alpha Romeo. He continued racing for Alpha Romeo through nineteen thirty one, but admits he was never an ideal racing driver for one specific reason. He couldn't bear To ruin an engine.

13:04 In the interest of winning. Ferrari was in love with engines. He began to be more interested in building engines than in racing them. And shortly afterward He set up a factory in partnership with Alfa Romeo.

13:17 Ferrari wanted to manufacture racing cars. He was Alfa Romeo's chief racing empresario and coach. With his own team. Scuderia Ferrari. And he was very good at this. The most celebrated racing drivers of the period drove on his team a car that he built in nineteen thirty seven.

13:35 Won thirty one out of thirty five events. By now Ferrari's name was famous in racing circles. And he could not resist the temptation to break away from Alpharomeo. And start creating racing cars. On his own.

13:48 In nineteen fifty one, a Ferrari first beat an alpha Romeo in a major race. Ferrari's reaction was proud but tearful. I have killed my mother. He quotes himself. As having said at the time.

14:01 Ferrari is deeply sentimental about engines and nothing else. Not long afterward He gave up attending races altogether. Because he couldn't bear to watch his beautiful engines being abused on the track. Racing is a profession for men who do not wish to die in bed.

14:19 Scarcely a year passed without a driver's death, and in some years The deaths ran. To six or eight. Spectators died in large numbers too. In nineteen fifty five.

14:30 A car ploughed into a crowd at Lamont. Killing more than eighty spectators. These statistics. May make automobile racing seem senseless and inhuman. Not to Ferrari.

14:42 On the contrary, he regarded the whole business As eminently human. A demonstration of man's natural desire to excel. Even at the cost of life. There is something

14:54 Ever so slightly ingratiating. About his total Even belligerent honesty. Concerning himself and his obsession. and about his absolute lack of moral pomposity or false pretension.

15:07 Once in my racing days, he writes in his autobiography. I was in third position. When I suddenly saw a car ablaze on the edge of the track. I could make out the number. It was the car that had just been in front of me.

15:21 What thoughts do you think passed through my head at that instant? Well My first thought was One less. Now I'm second.

15:30 During a long lunch with an interviewer recently in a little restaurant across the road from his factory, Ferrari was asked. Do you have any social life whatsoever? No. None.

15:41 He responded. Life passes soon enough. If you want to do one thing well You have to work at it fast. A Ferrari may not be a masterpiece in exactly the same way that a great work or painting or sculpture is.

15:54 It represents the work of many men bringing to life the ideas of Ferrari. Неверс Ferrari's aim is to perfect an ideal. to transform inert raw material into a living Machine.

16:09 Enzo is not primarily a man of business. Making money is not his main object. He believes That men who accomplish things Do not do so for financial gain.

16:21 But for prestige. The whole Ferrari operation seems to support this idea. His main concern Is to herald the name Ferrari far and wide by producing cars that are as nearly as perfect as cars can be. And by winning all the races in the world.

16:39 Ferrari Takes an understandable pride. In his work. That was an excerpt from a profile in the New Yorker published first in nineteen sixty six. The profile is called The Terrible Joys of Enzo Ferrari. In addition to reading that, I also read a book called The Story of Ferrari by Stuart Codling.

16:57 It's not a bad book. But I wanna give you a sense of the man. A sense of who Enzo Ferrari was and how he built his career. on what I really believe

17:08 is a small handful of powerful ideas. So in addition to reading the New Yorker piece, the this new book, The Story of Ferrari. I also went back and pulled all a bunch of highlights and ideas from three other biographies of Enzo Ferrari that I've read. It's Enzo Ferrari by Luca Damante. And so Ferrari by Brock.

17:23 We uh Brock Yates. And also this book Remarkable book. Which the movie Ford vs Ferrari is based on. Called Go Like Hell, Ford Ferrari.

17:33 and their battle for speed and glory at Laman. And so most of what I want to focus on is this small handful of powerful ideas that describe The life and career of Enzo Ferrari. I do want to start with what I think is one of the most important paragraphs. So I uh this is not an exaggeration. I have read hundreds of thousands of pages about Enzo Ferrari.

17:51 That book by Luca Damante. Is over a thousand pages. Long by itself. And even after reading hundreds of thousands of pages about this man This paragraph.

18:00 resonates with me the most and is why Enzo's obviously a very flawed person, as you'll see. But he's still one of even though he's a very full person, he's one of my favorite founders from history. And I really do believe that he is one of history's greatest obsessives. And I want to start with this paragraph. If there was one essential quality about the man

18:18 It was his iron bound tenacity. His fierce devotion to the single cause of winning automobile races with cars bearing his name. From nineteen thirty onward. Форнір систі є. Hardly a day passed when this thought was not foremost in his mind.

18:36 Win or lose. He unfailingly answered the bell. In that sense. His devotion to his own self described mission. was without precedent.

18:47 For that alone he towered over his peers. Okay, so I'm gonna go through all these ideas on how he built his business, how he lived his life. I do want to Uh there's a couple of things in that New Yorker piece. I feel they skipped over.

18:59 That are very important to understanding why Enzo was the way that he was. So when he was 10 years old, his father took him to see his very first automobile race. He writes in his autobiography talked about this, he says that that that day with his dad Produced a spark in his heart. That spark is going to be the passion that he would dedicate the rest of his life to. This is another example. I know I say this over and over again. I think it's one of the mo most fascinating ideas I've ever heard expressed because you see it over and over again in all these biographies.

19:28 Jeff Bezos once said That we don't choose our passions, they choose us. Enzo experienced that at ten years old. Another thing about Enso, which is very fascinating. You talk about over and over again.

19:39 He was relatively uneducated. And he just loved to work. He hat even when he's young young boy, his dad's still alive. He hated school. He he said, I simply wanted to be a worker and nothing else. So his capacity

19:53 For work. For sustained amount of work. Is going to be f a fundamental trait for his entire life. So his father would beat the shit out of him.

20:03 Because he got bad grades in school'cause he was such a bad student because What his dad wanted for Enzo's life. His dad wanted Enzo to study. So he could become an engineer. Now

20:14 In This This twist of fate. Right. Enzo would never become the engineer that his

20:21 father wanted t him to be, but in time he would become something far, far greater But His father did not live long enough to see it. And so this again is Everything that Enzo does. If you think about what happened to him when he was eighteen is going to make a lot of sense.

20:39 It's probably the exact same reaction you or I would have if we went through what Enzo went through. So his death These two deaths that happen. They were unexpected. His dad, I think, is like forty nine years old, something like that. When he dies of pneumonia.

20:51 His brother is fighting for Italy in World War One. He's in the trenches. They say he dies of an illness. Highly likely it's either typhoid fever or the Spanish flu. Both of those deaths are unexpected. Both of those deaths Come within a year of Each other. And then after the deaths, the family business collapses because his dad's not there.

21:12 And then Enzo is immediately drafted into the Italian army. And so Enzo would talk about some of the things that he learned from his dad by observation. You know, he was a l little kid, he was in the workshop all the time. He said his dad was a living example of devotion to duty. Come on.

21:27 That is exactly what Ferrari was. His He was devoted completely. To his mission, to his duty. to Ferrari. Another trait that he s copied of his dad was his dad was a very strict individualist.

21:41 His father preferred working alone, he wanted to be in charge, he wanted to be in control, and he actually told his son. uh when he was younger do not have any Partners. So that's really important to understand the story of Enzo. The second thing That has stuck out with me and you know, I started reading about until probably five, six years ago.

21:58 Is this he gets out of he almost dies from a sickness. He's so sick he had to be hospitalized. He winds up surviving. And then after that, he's like, Okay, I have no money, I have no father, I have no brother. My mom is depending on me. He tries to get a job. at what is would be considered the leading technology company of his day, which is Fiat. So he goes to Tarin where Fiat is.

22:19 He tries to get a job there. They turn'em down. There's a scene in the book. Where he goes and he sits on this park bench. Remember what he just went through, right? He's A teenager

22:30 He has no family. He has no job, he has no money, sits here, and he cries. Now this is one of the most important points of his life because although it was a rare moment of true despair in his life, he was determined not to give up. Now there's two things that happen as a result of this. Anger and revenge are great motivators of human behavior. You see that over and over again. So this he took it

22:50 As a slight As a rejection by Fiat, and that slight Fastered in his brain. It actually gr His anger, you know, and usually anger dim diminishes with time. His anger increases.

23:01 With the passage of time, so he was seeking revenge. Revenge on Fiat. Think. Bas basically, I will show you that you were wrong in rejecting me. The reason I remember this part from the book that I read you know six years ago. Is because fifty years later he will go back to that same

23:18 Exactly. Bench. After fiat. Buy. Ferrari.

23:23 And I absolutely love Enzo's description of this time in his life. He says I was back where I had started. No money. No experience, limited education. All I had. was a passion to get somewhere.

23:38 And so Fiat wouldn't hire him, but this tiny little business that's undercapitalized, and I think it goes out of business shortly after this, called CMN hires him. Now his job They can't they have so little money, they want to race cars. But they can't transport their race cars by rail or truck, so they hire Ferrari to drive. Two the tracks.

23:58 And there were some unique occupational hazards of one of his early jobs. He winds up having to drive through a blizzard in the mountains. The car breaks down. Him and the guy he's with, they're set upon by a pack of wolves, but Ferrari carried a pistol everywhere he went. And so he winds up having to pull up the pistol and shoot at the wolves outside the window.

24:18 And this did not discourage him in the least. Once he knew He there was no there's no like waffling. He had an unbelievable I would say strong and profound faith in his own judgment. 'Cause even his mother. His mother had been against him working

24:34 in the automobile industry. It's it's fascinating. She she had she basically had the common misunderstanding of the time. She did not understand the enormous potential. of the automobile the automobile industry she she didn't understand why her son was drawn to work in this industry. But once he starts working in it, he never stops until he dies.

24:50 Talks about it w at the end of one of these books. Where He works until he can't walk anymore. Enzo is another example of this maxim that his only extra strategy was death. So after also racing for C M N

25:01 He does uh well enough that he gets recruited by Alfer Mao, and at that time Alpha Mayo is the preeminent manufacturer of racing cars inside. Of Italy. He starts as a racing driver, but I think he knows he's never gonna be one of the best. So he does something that's really smart. He starts expanding his role. And he realizes he has a gift very early on. He's a great salesman, so he actually s establishes uh an alpha remote dealership in his home town while he's still racing.

25:27 for Alpha Mayo. So he has multiple jobs for Al Formeo. He has a dealership. He's racing. He's running their racing team. He is thirty one years old at this time. I just want to give you a a a description of his typical schedule. And again, it this isn't his enormous capacity for work. In the morning he got up before sunrise. He would drive to multiple cities in the three regions that he ran. He usually skipped lunch to travel to another city to meet another client.

25:49 By late afternoon. He was back to make sure everything proceeded. uh unhindered in the branch office. Then he'd return. And check in on the workshop to ensure that the day's work had been carried out. This day after day, week after week, month after month.

26:03 During the weekends, he went to events scattered all over Italy, where although he rarely raced He kept busy strengthening existing relationships and forging new ones. This schedule, this skill set is going to lead him to starting his very first business, which is Scuderia Ferrari. Which he's gonna do in partnership with Alphara Mayo, which I'll get there in one second. This is a description of Enzo at thirty three. Skilled and shrewd and energetic.

26:27 All at the same time, a man who knows what he wants, a real organizer, a champion who never goes off the road. So He's racing for Alfomeo. They decide,'cause it's very, very expensive to race. And Rory.

26:40 He's gonna lose money basically his entire life. So racing is unbelievably expensive. It is very good. Uh like good advertising. But Alformado decides, hey, we're gonna withdraw from racing. So this gives Enzo an idea.

26:52 He has a relationship with Alfermeo? He has met, he's spent all his time essentially building up his network. So he knows a ton of wealthy customers. He knew all the talented mechanics, all the talented designers. So he's like, Hey, why don't I start my own racing company? He gets the seed capital from two wealthy customers and from Alpha Romeo.

27:08 He takes on most of the financial risk and runs the entire thing. And Alphomeo can benefit because they retain the marketing value. of motor racing. Now this goes on for a few years. I think it's like six or seven years. Eventually Alfomeo buys uh Enzo out, buys the entire racing team.

27:24 This renders Enzo an employee, which he would never stay. They they then bring in a new team lead, this guy, Enzo Haites. Then the Ferrari name ceases to exist and they rename the team, the racing team, Alpha Course. So Enzo leaves and starts a new company, AAC. But he has a four year non compete agreement.

27:44 So he cannot race against Alfa Romeo for four years. Now it's perfect timing because During his four years. That's the start of World War Two. mo most of what his company's gonna do is actually uh manufacture things for Italy for the war. Now the reason I'm telling you all this backstory, the reason I'm bringing this up.

27:59 Is because what we think of as Ferrari Today. was not founded until nineteen Forty seven. Enzo was almost fifty.

28:09 Enzo was almost Fifty. Before he starts the company. That he is known all over the world for, and that's still existing and thriving.

28:21 Almost eighty years later. And when I say that he's one of the history's greatest successes, this is what I mean. Okay. He's got no resources. Yet his goal is still to be the best, okay?

28:32 It took Ferrari. Remember, this is after World War Two. It took Ferrari nearly two years to build the first car. In post war Europe electricity was a luxury. Fuel and manpower were in short supply.

28:45 This is what he said. All we wanted to do was build a conventional engine. Only one that would be outstanding. This guy has no resources. Yet the goal is always the same. The goal is to be the best.

28:58 Now we get into what I think is a small handful of ideas, principles that he built his career around. Ferrari had Two fundamental talents. First He was by his own admission. An agitator

29:10 of men. He was gifted with charisma that effortlessly captured anyone who Who crossed His path. He could stimulate the energy and creativity of his colleagues like no one else.

29:22 He was very demanding, especially when things were going well. He refused to rest on his laurels. He was absolutely dedicated to his work. And he could be ruthless. So this idea of agitator of men is by far my most common recurring highlight and idea that I that I pulled out from all these different books. Ferrari's second talent was that he was an absolute marketing genius. There's a story in the book.

29:44 Where a very important And wealthy American client. comes and visits the factory, and so vets every single customer personally. So at the time the factory had a parking lot. That was

29:55 Filled. with unsold Ferraris that the client cannot see. They are hidden from view. So the American says, Enzo, I would love to buy a Ferrari. And Ferrari replies. Yes, of course, but we have so many requests. I'll do what I can, but I'm afraid that you have to wait several months before you can buy one.

30:12 Enzo's employee after the American left. He overheard this and he's asking Enzo about this. Like, I don't understand. We have all these unsold Ferraris. Like, why didn't you just sell them one now? And Enzo said something that was Incredible. He says a Ferrari must be desired.

30:26 It cannot and must not be perceived as something that is immediately available. Otherwise the dream is gone. So in order to maintain that exclusivity. Of his brand. Production has always been lower than demand of the market. Let's go back to this idea.

30:42 Of that repeats over and over again. He is an agitator of men. says I have never considered myself a designer or an inventor. But only one who gets things moving and keeps them running. My innate talent

30:54 was for stirring up men. Another example of being an agitator of men. There's no question That Enzo Ferrari had become a compelling salesman and manipulator. Another example. It is often said that his greatest skill

31:07 Was his ability to recognize Talent. And this is one of the most important things to understand. So he takes the idea that hey, I'm an agitator of men. I have a great eye for talent. He has this remarkable building to manage these highly skilled

31:22 People with giant egos. He has a fundamental understanding of human psychology and is a great marketer. And then he doesn't do anything else. He just focuses on work. And literally nothing else. So I also there's another thing I need to bring up to you. There's always a blueprint when you read all these biographies of people that achieved great things.

31:39 What did they do? Before they achieve great things, they studied Other people that had previously achieved great things. Etori Bugatti was Enzo Ferrari's blueprint. So the prototype operation for what EnzoFerrari envisioned.

31:52 Was that of Bugatti. The founder of Bugatti was about twenty years older than Enzo. Actually interesting enough. He dies the same year that uh Ferrari was founded.

32:02 They knew each other. In fact, Enzo referred to Bugatti as a very fine gentleman, which is kinda crazy because Enzo did not believe And handing out compliments. This is a description of Bugatti, this part artist.

32:16 Part entrepreneur. Part sculptor had created an automotive thiefdom in a tiny village. I'm reading this to you because this is exactly what Ferrari does. The Bugatti estate included a small, elegant inn for the entertainment of guests and customers. A stable of thoroughbred horses, and the factory itself.

32:33 Bugatti was just one of a bevy of colorful eccentrics. Playboys, dreamy commoners, and hard eyed egomaniacs who populated the world of European motorsports in the nineteen thirties. He stood above the rest in terms of lifestyle. A feudal barony had been created around the spidery machines he manufactured.

32:55 And sold only to those he personally deemed worthy. By contrast, Enzo Ferrari was then still a drab. Simple journeyman laboring in a small garage in an Italian Backwater. I found a biography of Bugatti from nineteen sixty that was written by his daughter. Had to be translated from French from French.

33:16 It's episode three sixteen, if you have not listened to it yet, Bugatti's life was incredible. And so this is the influence of Bugatti on Ferrari. And so Ferrari had clung to the dream of becoming what he called a grand constructor. The classic manufacturer of complete racing cars in high performance road automobiles. For a select clientele. of elite enthusiasts.

33:37 Only a few men in history had achieved such an elevated status. Now another thing that Enzo Ferrari learned from people that came before him is hey You know what the best marketing is? The best marketing is winning. If we build successful racing cars

33:52 Then rich men will flock to our door. To obtain similar cars. The best marketing is winning. This sounds a lot like Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan said that the marketing he did for his business. Was done on the court. That if he won championships, people would automatically buy his shoes. People are attracted to winners. So

34:10 As for our wins. uh more racist as the legends gr uh as the Ferrari legend and the brand grow, so do the people lining up hoping to buy just a tiny piece of it. And then here's a great quote from Ferrari. He's got this really counterintuitive point about losing. So Somebody's as pathologically competitive as he was.

34:29 You would expect to him to be in into deuced into a state of rage when he loses. But he actually thought that he learned way more when he was losing than winning. So this is his counterintuitive point and why they said usually after a loss. the workshop in the factory was actually kinda calm because they understood what they had to what what they had to fix. And so and so says there's always something to learn. One never stops learning, particularly when one when one is losing.

34:52 When one loses one knows Вот і дан. When one wins one is never sure. Wanna go back to this idea of Enzo being an agitator of men, there's another thing that he's gonna have in common with Michael Jordan. Enzo Ferrari was the consummate manager of men.

35:09 Not docile, soft. Men. But proud. Fiercely competitive, egocentric men whose livelihood And their very reason for living.

35:19 Depended on this most demanding and unforgiving of sports. I am shocked. at how many other people that worked with Ferrari worked for Ferrari. In all these different books. Remember I'm pulling from four different books. They they were afraid of him.

35:35 If you watch this documentary Michael Jordan and called The Last Dance, it talked about we were afraid of him and we were his teammates. They say the exact same thing about Enzo. Another thing they say over and over again when you run into Enzo that he was a pathological competitor. They called him a man. With a diamond hard will to win.

35:55 At all. Cost. And building race cars and winning, that was his singular focus his entire life. Remember I was not driven by money, I'm driven by prestige. says Enzo Ferrari was born with simple taste.

36:08 And even after he became rich and prominent. He retained the ways of a simple Uncluttered men. During the nineteen thirties, when every ounce of his energy and every lira in his pocket Who is being plowed back into the business.

36:21 He lived a modest and frugal life. So he's working seven days a week. He does not travel, he never gets on a plane, he's scared of He's scared of elevators. He doesn't spend money on anything else but his cars. He said she works all day. And then at night he has uh let's say a rather robust uh

36:38 Romantic life. Let's just put it that way. There i if you want to learn more about that, the Enzoferary book by Brock uh by Brock Gates has a lot of detail. on his uh extracurricular nighttime activities. But uh outside of that, he just had this singular focus. says uh Enzo Ferrari was immersed in the life of a full time racing boss. With all of his energies concentrated on the team's competition schedule.

37:00 Again on his relentless focus. He just wants to show up to every race for decades. The source of much of Farry's success over the years was not technological brilliance or tactical cleverness. But dogged, gritty. Unfailing persistence in competing. A willingness to appear at the line.

37:17 No matter what the odds and run as hard as possible. So He wanted you know, everybody knows about Formula One. I just did this uh this episode that came out uh last week about it. Everybody th you know, that's the premier. racing series in the world. So Enzo's obviously gonna want to take part of that, but he wants to show up at every race in every league, no matter how large or small. A pathological competitor is how I would describe him.

37:40 says over and over again, here's another description of Enzo from people that knew him. Intensely competitive, self made. Utterly single minded. Prepared to work endless hours. You see how I'm repeating this over and over again? He just had a handful of principles he built his entire life around that. What made him special is that he started working on this when he was nineteen.

37:58 And worked on it until he was ninety. Those who knew him best understood that Enzofrori would never retire. There was little else in his life besides automobile racing. It was that simple. When he was asked how he wanted to be remembered, he replied as someone who dreamt of becoming Ferrari.

38:14 He was animated by an extraordinary passion that That led him to build a product with no equal. And when you have a singular focus, you tend to have a simple life. He had habits that he rigorously respected. He never boarded a plane. It was said that he was scared of elevators. He didn't like to travel.

38:30 If you wanted to meet him, you had to come to his office. He wore dark sunglasses, so you couldn't look him in the eye. The key factors were Enzo's perseverance, a stubborn faith in himself. In an insatiable thirst for success. Not simply in motor racing, but in life.

38:45 These were all qualities that he would never abandon. They shaped him. I love this line that was in that New York profile said, Like all masterpieces, it bespeaks the character of its creator. I found a line in one of Enzo's biography that sounds a lot like that. Enzo was without question. The central of the whole endeavor. The originator and the brains of the operation, the energy behind the future activity. Now there are a few times

39:08 When he is depressed. Or close to nervous breakdown. Again, until he s he sells fifty percent of the company in nineteen sixty nine to FIA, up until that point, he is reinvesting every single dollar. He is not a wealthy man. And so he's got financial stress. He's got

39:22 Friends dying all around him, he's got drivers dying all around him. He did not live, I'm not trying to paint like a rosy picture for you. He you know, he did not live an easy happy life. And so when he goes through these periods He would just throw himself completely into his work. He said work has always been and always would be the best antidote.

39:42 And one area where Ferrari the brand and Ferrari the man actually deviate is Far the brand talks a lot about their illustrious past, as you could imagine, one of the most successful You know, racing teams of all time. Ferrari did not talk about the past at all. He believed that each victory or accomplishment

39:58 was only the starting point. For the next. In fact, one of his motto was My next car is best. He liked to keep his business as simple as possible. There was a time where

40:09 he was entertaining the idea and I think this was just a uh a negotiation tactic where he almost sold Ferrari to Ford, which I don't believe he ever uh it was actu actually ever serious about doing so. I think he was just using that as uh to to push up a price'cause he was gonna sell to an Italian company. There's just no way. This he he wanted fiat. I just don't believe that he was ever gonna sell. Uh to to Ford.

40:30 But what's fascinating is in during the talks, four uh a bunch of Ford executives in the delegation would come over and they would tour his factory. And this is what they said. The Americans marveled at the fact that each Ferrari was entirely hand built. They marveled at the rudimentary wind tunnel. At the cleanliness of the production line in the foundry and how lean Most departments were.

40:48 Including the press office, which was headed entirely up. Which is headed and entirely made up of one guy. Remember at the time Ford probably has the most advanced factory. Certainly the most advanced automobile uh manufacturing factory in the on the planet. Something Ferrari would repeat. He believed he possessed just one quality, the stubborn determination to capture the trust of those who work with me. That is a great line.

41:12 The stubborn determination to capture the trust of those who work with me. He was anti marriage. He says I should not have married because a man dominated by a passion. Such as mine. can hardly divide himself in half and be a good husband.

41:25 If I had listened to my wife. I would have been a clerk in a bus company. Another thing that I absolutely loved about him is the way he would speak out his products. The way he would speak about the process of making his products. He spoke of his cars as if they were alive. He said cars possessed unique behaviors, just like people do.

41:42 They breathe through their carburetors. They were skinned with metal. There's another funny thing. So sometimes when I'm when I'm reading quotes from him and he's talking about Ferrari. You think he might be talking about

41:52 His company. No. He's talking about himself. You were first. He'd refer to himself in third person a lot. There is

42:00 He's got away with words. He's obviously a great salesperson, he's a great manipulator of men. There is a showmanship. He understood there's a showmanship. To business. So If you think about if you listen to the the episode you did last week on the geniuses who built

42:12 Uh Formula One. One of the guys I profiled in there was this guy named Bernie Ecklestone, who made more money off of Formula One than anybody else in his life. He also New and so. Enzo was one of the few racing car uh team owners that he actually respected. He thought a lot of them were kind of scrubs, except

42:28 Enzo was a shark. And Bernie Eckelson. change himself from a used car dealer into a multi billionaire. Right. And the he talks about the advice that Enzo gave him. He says something that's very interesting. Enzo told him one time that the sport is on the table.

42:43 And the business is underneath it. Enzo understood that showmanship is also salesmanship. He believed his cars were the best because they were made by craftsmen. With soul in the game. He winds up having this fight when

42:56 He tells Ford he's not gonna sell to sell to him. So he has this war with Henry Ford the second, and during the war Furry said that Henry Ford the second made ugly little cars In an ugly factory. And then he has this genius idea that I true believe is is is true. About what he's about to say here.

43:13 He believed that his cars could only be made in this region of Italy. He said that the Modanese held beauty in great esteem. And he has this great way to to talk about this. І з мої опін. Ferrari once said. That there are innate gifts that are a peculiarity of certain regions and that transferred into industry.

43:31 These propensities may at times acquire an exceptional importance. In Monana, where I was born, and set up my own works. There is a species of psychosis. For racing cars. Der is a spis of psychosis.

43:46 For racing cars. Enzo worked seven days a week, twelve to sixteen hours a day, holidays included, at night he would return to Modena. He felt extremely emotionally attached to his city. Except for his daily drives to Marinello, he refused to leave Modena for almost any reason. He did not attend. Resists.

44:06 Yeah. Just another example of this singular Focus. Enzo studied the psychology of winning. He said certain principles were self evident. Number one. Competition is the impetus for innovation.

44:18 The fiercer the competition, the faster cars will go. Number two. There is in some men A need to achieve greatness. When matched with talent This necessity can turn humans into demigods.

44:31 Number three a man who is willing to die at the wheel. Is always likely to beat a man in a faster car. If he can survive until the end of the race. So this love of beauty, this craftsmanship that he says is innately modernese. winds up playing very well in America. So one of his I think his most lucrative market was America. So they start importing cars into America. Listen to this description.

44:57 Nothing like a Ferrari had ever graced American roads. They were cars built by Italian artisans. Every detail down to the steering wheel hand crafted. Using some of the same methods used to make Roman suits of armor. In the royages of ancient kingdoms.

45:13 I hope they use that description as a copy for an ad. That's excellent. Years later. Ferrari was asked. Which of his cars was his favorite? He answered the car which I have not yet created. And which of his victories meant the most.

45:25 The one which I have not yet achieved. Again, I bring this up over and over again. 'Cause I really do believe this is the mentality that a lot of history's greatest founders share. No rear view mirror. No resting on laurels. No sleeping on winds.

45:37 Make something great and then do it again. The only thing that's going to take these kind of people out of the game is death. You see it over and over and over again, these biographies. When asked about the root of his mania. His obsession with victory Ferrari said

45:51 Everything that I've done I did because I couldn't do anything less. One day I want to build a car that's faster than all of them. And then I want to die. He was sixty. When he said this.

46:04 And this is what I meant earlier when The way he describes his products is the way you would describe your lover. This is what he says. This kind of love. Which I can describe in on almost sensual or sexual way within my subconsciousness. І справді майже форсоманір.

46:21 I no longer went to see my cars race. To see them born. And to see them die. Because in a race they are always dying, even if they win.

46:31 It is unbearable. He uses that same kind of language when he's describing the process of creating his products. In the first act of his labor, the maker conceives what his creature is to be. He dreams of it. And he sees it in detail.

46:45 And he lays down the plan of work which he entrusts to a band of helpers. Who share his passion. A racing car, in fact. Does not necessarily come into being as the creation of a superior mind. But it is always the compendium.

47:00 Of the common unflagging and enthralling work. Of a team fired By a common enthusiasm. And so this kind of language and this kind of opening up It is only reserved.

47:12 For his products. In fact, somebody worked for him for a long time once described his temperament as closed like a walnut. There's a line that Ferrari wrote in his autobiography that I think is tied to this. He says the facial expression Smile or frown or whatever it might be.

47:28 Із мирли а формо дефенс. And should be taken only as such. There is something that Ferrari has in common with John D. Rockefeller. Is Rockefeller had a mask.

47:39 So People could work with Rockefeller for decades. And they'd never heard him raise his voice. Or say an unkind word. And I think only I that's another person I probably read a couple hundred thousand pages on. And there's only one time

47:52 Where he let it slip his entire career, where he was induced into a state of rage in front in front of somebody else. And the person working with him talks about his Like almost like a demon came out of him. And you can see the rage on his face, and then immediately when Rockefeller f realizes that he let his self control slip. He just

48:09 And his face goes back to normal. He had a mask, had unbelievable control. over what he was feeling inside and not letting it out. Enzo was like that back when

48:19 And so used to watch races on television. His own cars, right? A friend who would watch races with Enzo would said that he never moved. He didn't have any reaction whatsoever, whether they won or they lost.

48:34 They said he sat there like a stone. Another friend of his said Ferrari has no other satisfaction. His very life is that creature of his. La Ferrari. And then to give you a sense of how

48:47 Difficult and domineering. This person was This is one of his drivers who won championships for him describing Enzo. Enzofer's expectation of performance exerted a strong force that radiated throughout the organization.

49:02 And the drivers were not exempt from it. Rather than the race being a culmination of a team effort to win. There was a feeling instead As if you the driver had been reluctantly entrusted with this gem of a machine.

49:16 This fruit of genius and hopefully. Your natural foolishness would not destroy it. When one of us did win. I sensed a certain reluctance on Ferrari's part. To share the laurels with the driver.

49:30 To pat him on the back. And thank'em for a job well done. It was more like Fori felt the victory was his. He had not only managed to build a car That was better than all the others.

49:40 But a car that was also good enough. Even his driver's natural destructiveness. There was no separation between Enzo Ferrari the man and Ferrari the company. I would say that Ferrari is just Enzo with ten thousand lives.

49:56 The key to the Ferrari legend. The X factor which makes its road cars such objects of desire. And seats in its race car so coveted. Is the presence of the creator etched into the DNA. Enzo's personality?

50:08 His hopes and dreams inhabit every car. Which rolls out of the factory gates. Enzo's cars were so directly an extension of his own being that Fault in them.

50:20 And again. He was the protector of the brand. He understood How valuable this mystique, the fact that you couldn't read his emotions, you couldn't even see his eyes.

50:31 He vetted each potential buyer. Personally. He put up he made it very hard to buy his products. And what happens because he understood human psychology. This kind of gatekeeping.

50:41 All it does is make people want it more. When he sets up all these barriers, what happens? The wealthy and the famous All over the world. Americans, Europeans, Asians. They flocked to his door. So

50:54 One example of The fact that the most success famous and success successful people in the world were customers of his. Where customers are Ferrari? So the the heir to the Fiat Empire, this guy named Gianni Anginelli. There's a documentary

51:06 On His on Gianni. Part of the documentary is the fact that Johnny just drove his Ferrari everywhere throughout Italy.

51:15 as if he was in a formula one race. At the time Gianni is one of the most famous and wealthiest people in Italy. Everybody knows his love of Ferrari. And so then they start loving Ferrari. Then they try to buy a Ferrari. Then they see all these barriers to entry. And it only makes him want it more. There's a great line that it says associations with famous rogues

51:33 Did Ferrari's profile no harm at all. So let me give you an example. This is the wildlife Okay. I found him in the new book.

51:41 This guy named Porfio Ruby Rosa, perhaps the most prolific Ferrari purchaser of the nineteen fifties was Ruby Rosa. A polo player and racing driver who many believe To have been involved in political blackmail operations, including assassinations.

51:55 He dated a string of stars, including Marilyn Monroe. Rita Hayworth, Joan Crawford, Ava Gardner, and Jaza Gabor. Ruby Rosa died after wrapping his Ferrari around a tree. Having spent the evening celebrating a polo victory, he was fifty six years old.

52:14 Associations with famous rogues. Did Ferrari's profile no harm at all? And so even that, when a fatal accident of somebody famous driving a Ferrari You think that would harm the brand. It didn't. It caused more people to want Ferraris.

52:29 was ruthless. He believed that his cars are the stars. And those who designed and race them were expendable. Once engineers had given their best and began to fail, he would replace them immediately. Drivers came and went without sentiment.

52:43 Over time, that wind up being a massive mistake. I think the best founders avoid this. So the best founders actually want to be told the truth. that they understand that you need unfiltered information from the front lines. The problem is The way Enzo organized His company?

52:59 It made it easier for other people to manipulate him. So Enzo's policy of ruling his empire from the center. Of relying on trusted lieutenants to feed him information. Left him open to manipulation and meant he lost touch. With what was really happening at the cutting edge. In formula one, remember he's been dominating for a long time.

53:16 So rival British teams that Enzo initially dismissed. Start outperforming him. So they're actually innovating. So if you listened to the episode they did last week the very first person I profile is this guy named Colin Chapman. He's one of these British innovators that is going to out compete Enzo.

53:32 And one of the innovations that Chapman did was he relocated the engine to the rear of the chassis. For better balance. Following more modern aerospace construction practice to save weight, the British teams left Ferrari standing. Innovative, low weight, high strength chassis design, and low profile aerodynamics would define the competitive order of this era. Colin Chapman was the person responsible for this. He was the mad scientist of F one.

53:56 If you haven't, make sure you listen to episode three ninety five to learn more about Chapman. Now I mentioned this earlier, but in nineteen sixty nine when Enzo was seventy one Fiat buys fifty percent of Ferrari. And then at the time a journalist describes How this ties to remember, Fiat slammed the door.

54:13 In Enzo's face fifty years earlier. So half a century is long. And Enzo has spent it working hard. Depriving himself of holidays and amusement. He has built an empire. That is worth a few billion lira.

54:26 Through motor racing he became rich where others lost. Everything. So what Fiat does They grant him this wish. He's gonna he w he's gonna sell fifty percent of the company. But he retains control over all racing activities.

54:39 Fiat's investment also helped stabilize Ferrari's finances. 'Cause remember at the time uh Enzo was always reinvesting everything back into the business. It also enabled Enzo to provide His son Dino dies, which was the the son he had with his wife. He also has a bunch of mistresses and he had one

54:57 what they call illegitimate son. Piero. or Pietro. That son was given ten percent of Ferrari, which if I'm not mistaken, he still owns to this day, which makes him a multi billionaire. And then as part of the deal.

55:09 Enzo's. other fifty percent ownership. Or his forty percent ownership. Would revert Two fiat upon his death.

55:17 And so at the time of the deal, they're looking back. Ferrari had represented Italy for almost five decades. And had always done so on its own and on his own terms. It was said that there's two religions in Italy. The Catholic Church and Ferrari. But even at this time, Ferrari is not looking back. No rear mirror, no looking back for Enzo.

55:35 And so said, I don't like monuments. The focus is always on the next race. And even in his eighties, he works until he's ninety, he dies at ninety. In his waning years, Enzo continued to come to work until he was no longer strong enough to stand. And even before he died, he still talked about the fact that this passion that he the spark of passion that he had When he first went to that first race with his father when he was ten, it's still there.

55:59 It says after almost eight decades lived with rare intensity. He could profess that his love for the automobile And for motor racing began early in his youth. Quote not suffered from the insults of time. He continues The secret of this total faithfulness is

56:15 Which I believe difficult to find in other types of relationships. Springs from the possibility to do Year after year, new experiments. To find new solutions to build new automobiles. Again that word.

56:29 Total. Hm. Entire Four. Unquestioned.

56:35 His business was the very essence of his being. The fast cars. the Grand Prix victories, the factory itself were all secondary to what they stood for, the towering ego of the man. Whose name is the same. They carried.

56:48 When Enzo Ferrari died at ninety years old, writers around the world groped for words to express the Many try to describe him as an automotive pioneer, which he was not. Others called him a great racing driver and engineer. Which he was not.

57:03 He was, however, exactly what he had repeatedly said he was. An agitator of men. and he remained true to his credo to the day he died. Enzo Ferrari. The last of the great automotive titans was gone.

57:18 Never to be Replace.

What you see above is a preview of the first minutes. One unlock costs 10 credits and covers this episode forever: full segment and word-level timestamps on this page, plus .txt, .srt, .vtt and word-level JSON downloads, as many times as you like.