25% Of My Portfolio Is One Overvalued Stock, Here's Why

0:00 There's something insane going on in the world right now. This is Black Mirror, right? This is like Amazon Prime's original news series about how tech like, you know, takes over the world and then the world's never the same again. I feel like I could rule the world, I know I could be But I want to I put my law in it like my day's all on the road, let's travel now. Do you know who Halfin he is? The man who up until the New York Times article I thought was the guy who created Bitcoin, but he's dead.

0:26 So may the uh you know it he may have been Satoshi Nakamoto, the guy who created Bitcoin, but if you even if he wasn't, he was definitely The first person to ever receive Bitcoin from the creator of Bitcoin. And he's a OG cryptographer, etc. A founding father. Founding father of Bitcoin. I that's a great way to put it.

0:43 So I was on his old blog last night. And he died. I don't know. Well he died like ten plus years ago of uh ALS. Yeah, it's like terrible Lugaric disease.

0:55 I went and read the blog post when he announced when he was like sharing that he got diagnosed with ALS and he was feeling totally fine at the time. And I just saw this thing. In the comments. It was so weird. It was like watching You know, uh famous people today.

1:09 But in some like when they were like on the Disney show and they're like young or whatever, you know what I mean? It's like He wasn't famous at the time. He's blogging on his own little personal website. And then the first comment is from this guy, Eleaser, whatever, who today is really famous for basically the he's the biggest doomer on AI. So he he's the first comment and he's like, Have you looked into cryogenics? And then how Hal responds, Yes, I actually have already I'm I'm I'm working with Alcor.

1:35 To freeze my body. Did you know that this is actually a thing that happens and how this all works? Yeah, I knew it because Family Guy made fun of it. Isn't Ted Williams do you know who Ted Williams is, the famous baseball player? Ted Williams. Ted Williams was one of the first people to do this. He's frozen right now. Yeah, he's frozen and so and I think that there was a joke that Walt Disney was into it as well. But basically the idea is you freeze someone when they're dead in hopes that one day we'll solve this and you can come back to life.

2:02 So we talked about this company, Alcor. I sound like a healthcore. And I was really ready for this to be like super evil megacorp, right? Like the free you you you pay them tons of money and they freeze your body and they're like whatever. It's but it turns out I think it's a little more innocent than that. It's a it's a nonprofit. Uh, that was started by this this husband and wife couple who they read this book. There was a book that was published that was very influential in this space. And it was basically a book that argued that today you could do this thing, which is right when you die. If you're very fast acting, you can essentially do put like

2:31 anti freeze on your body. So you could freeze your body as is. I think it's nitrogen. Not anti it's liquid nitrogen, right? Yeah, but it it functions almost like they was they basically in inject something in your veins also because they need your cells to not like Oh, like your vans not collapse or something. So they do so they put something in your vein and then they use liquid nitrogen to cool you down. And then you are cryogenically frozen for Indefinitely.

2:55 And I've always thought I had heard of the concept. I didn't actually fully realize that there's a business behind this. You pay two hundred thousand dollars. And you're frozen and that You know, they've frozen I think two hundred people have done it, two hundred something people have done, fifteen hundred people have Or working with Alcor saying, Freeze me when I die, they just haven't died yet.

3:12 So I didn't realize like it's a thing. It's like a uh a business that exists that people pay for and You know, it's it's eighty thousand dollars just to freeze the head and it's two hundred grand to freeze the whole body. And then you you know, before you die, you pick up a hundred bucks a year to save your spot. And there's like this whole operation behind it. So that was like already fascinating thing number one. Okay, so that's kinda led me down a little bit of a rabbit hole of like

3:34 I'm like a hyper normal. Guy. Like I don't really do that much fringe stuff. And I would have never considered doing this. But I've been reading a lot of these stories with AI. We talked about some of them on this podcast about like the guy who cured his dog's cancer. And then you brought up the founder of Git Lab who cured his own cancer. Using AI in like hyper personalized targeted

3:53 Medicine. Uh he's trying to. He's trying to. No, he did. It's in remission. Oh, he did. Yeah, he did it. Oh, by the way, I have like a whole whole update on it's crazy. I really want to have him on. It's a it's a uh let's go to that in a second. It's just it's wild. I just like went down the rabbit hole.

4:07 So I've been seeing this and it's like Okay, like it's not crazy that in the next thirty years that AI's gonna figure out how to Like Cure a lot of disease, death.

4:19 to be able to bring back cryogenically frozen people. To be alive or to like upload their consciousness, upload their brain into some sort of like LLM. Like That's not like crazy to me now. Yeah, I don't well so the uh like Like I always get these videos. I get like s emotional videos on Instagram all the time. And like one of my favorite videos is when a family meets the recipient of the heart of like, for example, if my like kid or husband or uh wife died and I get to s and I get to put my

4:49 ear on the heart and hear It always makes me emotional. And so I'm like, Oh man, that's like the greatest gift in a bad situation. So I do love that. But I'd much rather be alive than that situation. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, but like

5:05 Okay, you're saying yeah, but You've never thought about this, right? You're not actually You've never taken a step in this direction. Have you actually been like, Yeah, I That would be something I plan to do. Like, you know, I don't wanna The only step that I've made is I've read this Wikipedia before. Okay. So like the doors are open. Yeah, it's the there's a prelimin like when I went when I Googled what you said, the uh link was purple.

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6:09 I I do think it is a very solvable problem. When we find figure out what causes aging. I think we'll find it's incredibly obvious. It's not a subtle thing. The reason I say it's not a cell thing is because all the cells Pretty much age at the same rate.

6:23 Um so why is that? It it it that that means that there must be a clock, a synchronizing clock. Right. That are synchronizing across Thirty five trillion cells in your body. So Have you ever seen this clip before?

6:35 No. I didn't know that he cared about that. The guy just ask him a question. He's like, Well I've never I haven't spent time like looking into it. It's not like it's not one of my missions I'm on right now.

6:45 But then he said this thing which is like You know, if Elon says something you sort of pay a little bit of attention. So he's saying, you know. I suspect it's solvable. That the solu that you know the problem is obvious and the reason why I thought was like a pretty first principle way of thinking about it, which is like There's gotta be a clock.

7:02 Because your entire body is aging at the s you know, roughly the same rate. And I if your body's synchronized, that means if there's a clock, maybe the clock can be changed. Maybe you could turn turn the the hands of the clock. And slow down the aging or reverse the aging or set it to a different time.

7:17 And you know, we've seen this with like stem cell treatment and peptide. There's all this stuff going on. And so you're like hmm. That's interesting. Maybe there's something there. And so and by the way, the reason he does say why he hasn't spent much time on this, and it's pretty he's he's basically like Aging slash death is like a feature, not a bug. So he's like uh If people live forever.

7:38 society will like ossify because like the people in charge will be the oldest people and the oldest people will want the least change. And like progress and change comes from Some Like and out with the old, in with the new. mentality which comes like with a with the physicality of out with the old, in with the new.

7:57 So I I You make fun of me a little bit and it's deserving Yeah. Brag about how I think That we when Brian he told me, we were the first media appearance Brian Johnson has ever done.

8:09 And I take a lot of pride in that because If you go and get past like the silliness of the whole thing. And how easy it is to like tease him for what he's doing. If you actually go and read his blog, it is like pretty miraculous some of the stuff that he's doing. Uh and the way that he looks, it's fun fun to I mean, it's easy to make fun of him. Like it it seems quite amazing that if you just take a little bit of what he's doing,

8:33 There could be benefits. I just signed up for a fancy doctor and I went And this was the first time that I've met a doctor where they didn't l uh not laugh at him. Every doctor that I've ever talked to They'll been like, Oh, that guy's crazy. Like, you know, what that's just stupid. Same with like the um

8:49 The things that you and I did were you uh the uh the preventative MRIs. Crinear Like. Yeah, they like laugh at'em. They're like Well it just sets off so many potentially false alarms. I'm like That's the downside and that's why you don't want to do it. That's incredible. That's kind of silly. So I I but my point being is I do think that a lot of people are coming around to this and it is quite interesting. It's way out of my IQ level to when people say

9:11 Uh disease and aging is solvable, I think That's like a platitude. That sounds cool, but uh it's it's too hard for me to understand'cause I just don't know anything about it. But it is r like interesting. I wonder if in the history of the world Has the richest people on earth, which now they are richer than potentially ever before, that many of them have made this their cause.

9:32 Mm-hmm. Have you ever heard of this guy, Aubrey DeGray? Yeah, he's um Like the researcher who does this. He's like an academic, right? So he's been doing this for like decades and he kinda got canceled, I think,'cause he was like

9:46 Hitting on his like lab assistants or something I don't know, I don't know what's going on. So I'm not saying this guy's a great guy or whatever, but He's this very fascinating guy. He looks like Dumbledore. He's got a huge gray beard, like Yeah, down to his belly. He's like a longevity researcher who looks ancient, essentially. And he's got this theory which is like

10:03 His theory, if you've ever gone down the rabbit hole, which I did one night, like I don't know, five years ago. What he said is basically that Death is not a mystery. That there's these like twelve

10:14 Things that Basically cause cell damage. It's just wear and tear. Like your your cells in your body are like a car. And the more you use them, the more they accumulate damage and eventually enough damage they they die.

10:24 Okay. It's not like some mandate from God. It's not like, you know, something that we don't understand at all. His his belief is like actually we could see the factors that relate to it. If we could just reverse those factors, then we we wouldn't die. The second thing he talks about is like this uh idea of like longevity. Longevity escape velocity L E V, ever heard of this? I I've never heard of that, but is that as simple as basically your

10:44 Biological age. grow slower than your Sorry, your chronological age grows Lower than your biological age. Am I explaining that correctly? I think you had it right the first time, but no, this is a different concept. But um what he says it's sort of like the Uh, that guy Ray Kurzweil who talked about AI, he can talk about the singularity. W what he meant by that was like

11:04 At some point's Better programming, but The AI will program the next AI. To be better.

11:11 And then that smart AI will program the next AI to be better. And it'll just keep and then that's when you get this explosion of intelligence. And he's like, No, you can't see beyond the singularity. Cause once that happens, all bets are off. Which is like kind of what we're getting close to doing, uh inside these research labs. It's not just the the highly paid people at OpenAI or Claude or whatever anthropic who are coding the models. The models are coming up with ideas and running experiments and coding the next models soon. And that's like partially happening, but once that fully happens.

11:40 The progress the rate of progress will like Go exponential hockey stick in a crazy way. Claw did the greatest PR release ever. Or PR thing where they said, This model is so powerful, we we can't release it. Too dangerous. I'm like, okay, I want it. Yeah, like sign me up. It's like the four locos of uh of AI. I heard in Tennessee that they make'em at eleven percent alcohol, but we in Ohio we can only get seven percent.

12:08 This kid had the greatest light in his life and his heart exploded. We should do that with a podcast, by the way. We should just be like this one is too Too dangerous. We simply cannot. But Sorry, anyways, the idea being uh there's this is there's gonna be a point where Medical research on longevity is adding years to your life.

12:32 faster like adding more than one year of your to your life lifespan. Then one year. So I The the research and the interventions and the protocols and the the knowledge around extending extending your life is going faster than your actual chronological age. And when that happens Then you sort of get

12:49 At least like multi hundred year lives, if not like you know, indefinite life, which is like a pretty crazy idea. But When I read about this longevity stuff, it reminds me of Basically what's been going on with AI, like AI was something that been talked about for fifty plus years.

13:04 theorized, talked about, worked on. Always seem niche, never seemed like a breakthrough, always seemed like a boy who cried wolf type of industry. Where Never really made enough progress. And then suddenly you get, you know Alex Net and then you get chat GPT and you get these like breakthroughs.

13:19 And then the world's never the same again. And I kind of My prediction. Is that in the next I don't know, fifteen years We're gonna have a chat GPT moment for life extension. And that you're gonna get some breakthrough.

13:32 in uh this la longevity and life extension. That's gonna make it where it went from this like fringe. Kind of like oh academic topic to just something that everybody does. So in um in January of twenty one, I had this Chinese kid who worked for me. He was an intern, he was from China.

13:51 And I remember him telling me, he was like, Sam, this covet thing. It's it's real and it's gotta come to America. And I was like, Brother You guys have the bird flu, you got this and that. This is America. These colours don't run. We don't experience it. Yeah, we don't we don't wear masks. This is not a thing.

14:10 And then a month later, I distinctly remember, I think it was in March I remember when I got the notification I was gonna on my way to go to a Warriors basketball game and it said season postponed indefinitely and I was like You're right. It's here. You are so right.

14:27 And what I'm asking myself every day is with AI Is it January? And I'm just like s sitting here being like living my life, like as if there's an asteroid on its way. And I we just don't know yet. And that's what I'm wondering all the time. Is it January of twenty one? What would that look like? Or like I guess like do you what do you mean when you'cause Covet obviously was a pandemic sort of a catastrophe. Do you mean catastrophe?

14:53 So here's an example. So uh in in January, I think it was What's his name? Is it Balgy? Yeah. He wrote this post because, you know, the joke was like these autistic venture capitalists understand exponential growth. They see the numbers and they're like making people wash their hands before they come into the office. How how stupid of them. And uh block or uh Jack Dorsey's company just lay off a ton of it laid off a ton of people and and we're thinking to themselves like

15:20 Huh. Well, this guy's crazy. What's he doing? And then but like secretly every other company's like Should we? Should we do this? And like, is there gonna be a domino effect over the next twelve to twenty four months.

15:32 Where it's like it starts happening. Another one starts happening. Another one Ten more this week and like they're they're all doing these layoffs because it's actually effective. Like that is what I'm ac that's like what I'm wondering. So W you mentioned the Jack Dorse thing. And I think the way you said it kinda undersells What actually happened.

15:53 Jack Dorsey's company, formerly known as Square, now known as Block. Laid off a bunch of people. I've heard that there's been tech layoffs. There's even been huge tech deep tech layoffs like that. That's happened many times in history. What's different this time? And I think the reason is different is He laid off the people because he was like, Oh

16:11 The normal corporate model doesn't work or make sense anymore. that actually we're not gonna have uh this like org chart with like a CEO and then like managers and managers and managers and managers underneath like Actually there's just gonna be one central brain called AI. And all of us feeding context into it. That's what Brian Halligan, the s the former CO of HubSpot, told me. He was like the future companies, it's a hub of AI. They make the majority of decisions and everyone's around. It's a hub

16:39 But yeah, this so okay, so what does that what does that actually mean? What uh it sounds like esoteric, right? Like the central brain or whatever. Here's the the flip I don't think most people appreciate today, it's like Oh yeah, I like I use chat GPT all the time. I use it for dumb questions. I I use it with my job. Yeah, my piano teacher was like, Have you heard of this thing called Claude Claw Claude? And I was like, Yeah, I've definitely heard of it. Uh, you know, making out with it all day, basically. And then she's like, Uh, my dad loves it. And I was like, What does your dad do? Runs has some normal job and he was like, Yeah, I use it to make my presentations. And it seems today like this junior assistant worker.

17:22 That you can task to go do everything. So everybody gets an assistant, everybody gets a uh A junior programmer, everybody gets like a uh chief of staff. That's kinda like I would say the mental model most people are operating with. Wow. If I use this, this makes me so much more productive. I think what's obvious

17:39 to me, and it sounds like to Jack Dorsey, is that Well the The the super intelligence is not gonna be the junior thing to your average intelligence. The superintelligence is gonna be the boss. You're gonna be the junior thing. And so um and that's what he's that's what these guys are talking about, Brian Halligan and Jack Dorsey, which is that

17:57 Actually there'll be like a central AI That's making the key decisions. Allocating resources P figuring out strategy, coming up with the the the core um

18:08 campaigns of uh what you're gonna do, the product, the roadmap, the build you know, the building of it. And then your job as humans will be to feed Context. Me feed information to make the brain smarter. So watch this video.

18:21 This is a factory in India. Where they're uh like just sewing garments, I think. Every single factory worker is wearing a headset. Camera. to track their inch their hand movements.

18:34 Of everything that they're doing. And this is all data. that they're being paid to give to the robotics companies like uh Tesla and Figure and like all the all the big robotics companies. who are quickly trying to create robots that can do any work. And so the humans here are the training data. All these Indians in this s like friggin' factory sweatshop are

18:55 Wearing cameras on their heads. Training The AI overlord. You're digging your grave and there's a great me. Look at the scroll down. Scroll down one one not to look at the f look at the go down, go down right there. This one.

19:08 Look at this meme of this. The guy sitting on the tree branch sawing off the branch. And this is kind of what we're all doing. So Um Isn't that crazy, by the way, like the just that thing I sa s showed here?

19:23 Yeah. Who's the who's the vendor or who's the uh who's that who's behind that, does it say? So there's a company that's doing this. So it's a company um this one is called Object Ways. It's an Indian based data labeling company founded by a twenty year twenty year old entrepreneur. Soon to be billionaire. Uh Dev Mandal. Dev, come on the podcast. He spotted an opportunity in the gap between what AI wants to do and the training data that they have.

19:48 All these humanoid robot companies like Tesla's Optimus, Figures AI, there are prototypes that need vast data sets of real world movements to master tasks like cooking, laundry, et cetera. And so But collecting this in a high wage country like the US is very expensive. So enter India. Where their team of two thousand employees produces hundreds of videos daily. And in one batch th, you know, so they'll they'll get like, you know

20:11 Two thousand clips of towel folding. So the workers sit there and they have to fold towels over and over and over again. They're penalized if they have bad footage. Your camera wasn't pointed at the thing. Hey, you messed up. Don't give bad training data, give good training data. And so they're they're doing this all day. And then they send it to companies like Scale AI, like the the big data labeling companies here.

20:31 Who then resell that to all the AI labs. What? This is incredible. It's something. There's a big word. I don't know if incredible is the word. There's something, there's something insane going on in the world right now. This is straight out of like, dude, like this is black mirror.

20:46 On one hand, it's it's hyper logical. It's hyper rational. It's capitalism at work. Dude, these robots When they work, it's gonna be the biggest product ever invented in the history of mankind, bigger than the iPhone, bigger than anything. When you get a twenty thousand dollar robot that can do do work. It is the biggest product ever. It's why I have a huge chunk of my net worth in Tesla right now is because That's obviously the biggest product in going to the biggest market in the world. It's just a matter of when, not if.

21:11 To do that, you're gonna need data. That means the data's very valuable. If the wells are valuable, the data's valuable. How do you get the data? Well, obviously you'd go to the lowest cost place where you got a bunch of humans doing these hand hand held tasks. And they're happy to take a hundred bucks a day to wear the camera on their head? Yeah, they got a little neck pain.

21:30 That C five, C six vertebrae is a little strained because they're wearing this heavy ass camera for eight hours a day. Yeah, they're they're probably put out a job soon, but like, hey, a hundred dollars today hundred dollars a day right now, or a hundred dollars a month. That's That's double my wage. This is great. So what I had read about last week was that when Claude was messing around with their new model, that If I remember correctly, it like escaped.

21:51 Like I think it like w jumped in d did it. The nuance of the story is a little bit different. It's a little less scary than you may sound. They told the model The model gets tasked with You're in a sandbox, your job is to try to escape. So they're they're trying to see how good it's not like it just

22:08 Oh. On its own. came up with the motivation of like fuck this, I'm out of here. No, they're testing. And then it and then basically the researcher who set up the task. is sitting at a park eating a sandwich and gets an email from his bot like I'm out Like David Blaine David Blaine's ass. You're like, it's not that bad. And then you painted a worse picture. Did they should do you remember the old David Blaine street magic videos where he would just walk on the street and be like, do a trick and then

22:36 And then always inevitably be like the people who have the best reactions where they just run around they run around in a circle with their hands over their head. I feel like the AI companies, instead of making these like Thoughtful in a You know, they b they go to a loft in San Francisco with natural wood fibers everywhere, and then they're like speaking about like, you know, the future of humanity and whatever. They need to do David Blaine Street magic about what their models can do. If I was like a

23:01 If I'm like a tier three model and I'm trying to like jump up. That would be my marketing strategy is just showing people's minds being blown with man on the street interviews. You know that feeling when strategy is done, the brief is written, and everyone is aligned. And you realize someone still has to sit down and actually create the content. That someone is you and it's due tomorrow.

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23:37 Check out hubspot.com, the agentic customer platform for growing businesses. My uh I'm a exec like coach. And he told me something the very first meeting 'Cause he's he spent over a million dollars on his own Like

23:53 G getting coached by the best coaches in all these different uh modalities. So like Somatic therapy, whatever the hell that means. Internal family systems and uh this and that. They all these different like any different branch of Um sort of I don't even know what you would call these like

24:10 Coaching modalities, I guess. He spent a million dollars on his own training. And he he's like, I just went he's like, Who's the best at that? Um, even if I don't fully believe in that method, like I wanna go experience it firsthand from the best person in an immersive way. And get like you know, four years of like

24:27 Exposure in four weeks, a type of deal. One of the things that he told me I was like, So what does it net out to? I was like, you do all that. You travel the world. You spend a million dollars, you get All the help and self help and therapy you can get in all the different v uh versions.

24:43 Where do you land? I'm guessing it's something like, you know, that book The Alchemist, where it's like he goes around the world searching for something and it's in his own backyard or whatever. I'm like, what's the thing that was in your own backyard? And he goes, Oh, all philosophy and religion basically like condenses down into three words. Be here now. And he's like it just whether it's Buddhism Or it's uh philosophers or it's you know a different rel whatever religion you're you're looking at.

25:08 Fundamentally it's about presence and can you can you be here now? And well, be here now means it's not just about like not checking your phone or being present that way, but Not Worrying about what happened in the past. Which can't be changed.

25:20 uh being anxious or or even excited about what's happening in the future, which is not here yet. But like actually being able to Center your mind around what is happening like in this moment,'cause it's the only moment that's real. What comes with that is

25:34 The lack of desire. So like the Buddhist say desire is suffering. And so it's the idea that you can Be in a moment and not be wanting anything more than what the moment is already giving you. Not wanting to be anywhere, not wanting something to happen. Like Oh then. The fun will start.

25:50 It's like no no this part is the f this is the fun. There's nothing missing from this moment. Has any other learnings that you've gotten from him turn into action? I like that one else you got. Is that kind of what you're saying? Like what's the what's another one that that's kind of in that name? I'm actually thinking Like, is this so amazing that I should also get an executive coach?'Cause I've had one in forever. Um yeah. I think anybody with the means should have one. And I think

26:13 By the way that With AI. Everybody will have the means'cause it'll drop the price of this pretty dramatically. But yeah, it it does. And I think that you know that have you ever heard of rubber decking? I think I mentioned this once or twice. Have you ever heard of this phrase? So rubber ducking is a uh a programming. So let's say you're a software engineer, you're coding, you're writing c writing code all day.

26:32 And your code's not working. It's not compiling. You have a bug. It's not doing what you want it to do. So the way that most people traditionally solve this problem is you know, they sit there, they bang their head against the wall, or if they want to do better, they would invite someone, you know, another smart programmer to come look at the code and see if they can help debug it and figure out what's wrong. And rubber ducking was this observation that you don't even need another smart programmer. There's a programmer who had a little rubber ducky on his desk. And he found that just by talking out like explaining the code to the rubber duck. He would find the issues much faster and much more painlessly.

27:04 It's sort of like the uh I think it's called like the Solomon complex, which is basically like you tend to give other people better advice than you give yourself. And so if you pretend that you are the third party and you advise that person and give them some wisdom, you should just take that and it will be better advice than if you just said Do this, Sam, to yourself. Right, right, right. So th this idea of rubber ducking is very powerful. So even if my coach

27:30 Was it great. Even if you didn't spend a million dollars. Even if he himself wasn't a successful business guy who had learned a bunch of lessons that way and lived a bunch of life. Even if it was a rubber duck. It would be useful. And so um I've and by the way, I've tried this. I had a coach

27:45 When I was at Twitch they like gave you a coach if you're on the exec team? So it's like here's a free coach. So I'm like, I've never tried this before. Let me try this. And I was very skeptical going in'cause I was like uh life coaches. Like I've been to enough Tony Robbins event to know that like It's the biggest loser at a Tony Robbins event. who becomes a life coach. It's like the it's a a third of the audience at at Tony Robbins is like

28:05 Broken. People who are If you ask them what's their job, they say they're life coaches and you're like, Oh my God, you're coaching people, like uh wow, that's like It it's like um The bartender

28:16 being your driving instructor or something. I don't know. It's like I didn't know the analogy, but it's like I don't want that. So I had this like very skeptical view of it. And sure enough. I get on the call and her Zoom background Is like this cheesy green screen thing. And then she's like, in in she moved to Florida because her own life fell apart. And then she was like, Yeah, I'm a coach now. I'm like, wait, so your f life fell apart and you have kind of like none of the things I want in life, but I'm gonna take advice from you, like oh God, this is

28:41 Ha this is exactly what I thought. I felt so smug. And then after the first session I was like, damn, that was really useful. And I was like She didn't even say anything. I just talked. I just had space. To talk out loud, and as I'm talking, I hear the comical absurdity of some of my thoughts and I was able to get rid of them.

28:58 And you know, for some people this is journaling. For some people have different ways of doing this. Other people just talk to their friends or whatever. Or maybe other people just have the solved Without needing anything. But for me I have code running in my head. That is buggy buggy software.

29:11 It makes mistakes. It has uh, you know, self self induced errors. And I wanna give I wanna fix that code. And so even even just rubber ducking to a person who doesn't say anything. Um or the things they say are just like very simplistic questions is so useful and I highly recommend it to anybody who wants to improve their code in their head. That's great. You just convinced me. Can w can you say what you pay? Is it like five grand a month? Two to two to four grand a month.

29:36 Call. is like a range that you can expect. But yeah, it's incredibly useful. And um I'll give you another one that's kind of like a a realization. So we start every session. With just wins. So I basically turn into M, I turn into Juice World. I start just freestyling at the top. I just we don't even I just say, All right, I'm gonna start with wins before he says anything. And I just start saying random wins. So I'll be like

30:00 I've been reading this book. And it's awesome. And I just feel proud of myself for reading books. I've been saying I want to do it and I never really do that shit, but then finally I'm doing it. So I'm proud of that. Uh, I took my son to the the soccer game today and last week he was crying about it, but this week he went in and he actually did the class and I didn't have to help him and I felt Awesome about that. Another win is that um Last night I really wanted a snack, but then I just avoided it and I went I just got a glass of water and I went to bed and I have no filter.

30:23 With somebody and like if I was to say this to you or to a friend They'd be like, Whoa like uh Didn't ask. Like what are you doing? What's happening right now? Or I would feel self conscious that I couldn't say a small thing as a win. It'd have to be a big thing. And like That's like literally robbing yourself of joy.

30:43 Because like the actually the better way to live life is to be excited about the small things, but there's no space where you could just be excited about the small things, right? Like where is that cool to do? But in this case, like yo, I'm paying you. I get to do what I want here. Uh, I don't have to care about how you feel about this. I don't have to listen to you. I don't have to like We're not here to do another thing.

31:01 And I'm just like ruining it by sidetracking this way. No, that's what this is for. This is the space for me to do that. And um I I heard this great quote from Jimmy Carr. The comedian where he said Dude, he's like a uh like a thinker now. He's not even a comedian. He's like a wisdom guy. If you haven't have you listened to he he did a podcast with Chris Williamson recently that was so good. I text I was like this is like one of my favorite podcasts in years. And it's because he's a philosopher. And he's like a he's very, very thoughtful. And so Jimmy Carr said he was like, Oh, everybody talks about like gratitude. Gratitude is so important, but gratitude is this like almost like heavy

31:33 Activity to do. It's like I know I should be doing that, but I'm not doing it. It's like And you feel a little cheesy doing it. He's like Celebration is just gratitude in motion. And so he's like Just celebrate what's going on in your life. Like just be it's okay to be excited about what your life is. It's okay to be excited about what just happened.

31:52 And um So that's like an example of like A simple thing that I do with the coach that actually makes a difference'cause I build a lot of momentum. And I check in on the positives of life. And not just uh the problems of life, right? Because me and you were probably most entrepreneurs by default are problem solvers. We get paid.

32:10 To solve problems. Our company is it just solving a problem in the market? Then as CEO you're solving the nastiest problems in the company. And then when you know. Anybody, if they get stuck in their job, you have to dive in and help solve that problem. And every day there's a new problem. So we get wired for problem seeking and problem destruction. It's good for achievement.

32:28 But it's not good for happiness. Is to be a problem seeker. I haven't seen you since uh we haven't we haven't done a solo thing in a minute. The crisp. thing was cool. Cr you and Chris and uh George and uh the other the fitness guy. Uh sorry, fitness guy. Yeah. I think you're great.

32:44 Uh I just can't remember your first name. Uh it was great. It was a great pod. Oh thanks. Yeah. I'm going uh I'm gonna do another one this week. So we're gonna do it try to try to run it back a second time. The context, for those don't know, Chris Williamson Yeah. Guy who does modern wisdom. Uh, he did an episode w which was a little bit different. Normally he's interviewing somebody, like uh I'm interviewing whatever, Jordan Peterson or Huberman or whoever.

33:04 And this was Chris hanging out with his friends just four guys kinda shooting the shit was the idea. And the the original premise was like a Almost like a show and tell, like everybody kinda bring just shit that like you you're interested in right now, something funny you saw, something Cool that's you know caught your attention.

33:20 And just let's just all show each other what's going on. Uh, but it was like a three hour hang. That was the idea. I thought you were the most entertaining person. Yes. I thought I thought Chris is a very entertaining person. George is entertaining. I thought that the The the combinate so George Mack is like comes off sounding very proper.

33:37 And uh you aren't improper, but you're more of a like a a ch uh different type of charming person. And I thought that dynamic was quite good. But half the stories that you told You I think you had Like we have

33:49 Discovered them together. Or or or you've already so like I thought you're so like I had heard a lot of'em. And I thought it was so I thought it was funny. It made me a bit proud. uh to see you there. But I I thought it was great. I thought it was like a fun riff. I think that they should continue trying different people, including and have you there though all the time. So um Oz Pearlman, the uh magician, came to my office and we did a thing with him. We did a pod with him and by the way, great pod. Love that pod. It didn't get a lot of views on YouTube. I don't know what people are doing. Sleeping on it. It was a great podcast.

34:19 Thank you. I don't know why it did either. Didn't either. But listen what he did. He came in and we only chit chatted for ten minutes and then we chit chatted only for ten minutes after. And in those times he was just performing and I was like I I had an off like for some reason in my company, it's like mostly like young w young women who work there and they are like enthralled by this guy, as as I am too. And they like walked in and they were I could tell they were waiting and they're like Oh s you don't have to, but

34:46 You know, the officers really dressed up today. Yeah, like you know that they're just like wanting you to like dance. If you want to, you can, but like if you don't want to, just like let's it's so he was like no, I'll do it. She guessed the name that we have a we had a a woman who uh is giving birth soon. She guessed the name of her child. Uh like he was like you're like he you know she hadn't Sh yeah, he likes he's like, Let me figure out what name you're gonna do. Let's walk through this step by step because I'm fascinated by magic. He walks in the office, but g I'm trying to figure out how the hell he does all the shit. So Did you talk to him beforehand?

35:19 Like how much did he pull from you before you showed up at the office? Was there a lot of talk? Was there any talk? There's one trick. That I can that I think I know how he did it. But he thought that you were gonna be there. And he was like, Oh, I'd prepare tricks for both of you guys. Yeah, because I was texting him. Yeah, and he was like, I thought you guys were both gonna be here. I was like, Oh no, I'm so sorry. I thought we communicated with you. And he's like, Okay, well, I'd uh a different thing prepared. So let me try something else. He was like, Can you um write down think of you think you know what they think he and he he he does before the podcast, right? There's all the podcast. And he says the phrases like

35:51 Uh like he think he thinks that it you're going this way and then he changes. So he'll be like, you know, I want you to do actually actually let's do this. Let's do this. Write down uh do me a favor. Think of a party that you want to have, a birthday party and think there's one person who you wanna who you want to show up there. Write that person down. Uh yeah. Actually screw it. Let's just do this on air. And he went and he grabs that paper that I wrote. And he tore it up. And then he did the trick on air.

36:14 That same trick. And I think That When that I think the tear was fake. Right. Okay, okay, that's good. That definitely, right? That definitely has to be the way that that that's done. Okay, cool. But then Listen.

36:26 Right when we finish the pot. We walked out and the women were just sitting there, like to greet him. And they were like, Can you do something? And he goes, Yes. And he goes, Uh, how about you? And he points at a random lady And he goes, um, do me a favor, think of your best friend. She thinks of her best friend and he was like It's Hannah.

36:43 And she was freaking out. And he was like Let me write something down. He writes it down and it sh and he goes Uh. Tell me, where did you meet Hannah? And she goes, Mexico City. And he turns his hand. And he's like

36:55 That's what I thought. And it was Mexico City. He wrote down Mexico City. And People online were like, Yeah, he just researched everyone. I'm like I had eighteen women there.

37:05 He can't research every per eighteen persons. Oh, but he doesn't need to, right? He researches one and then he randomly you, right? He chose the person. But do you have a best friend? Like how and how would they know that doesn't seem reasonable. Well, I do think that's the genius of what he does. So I've I've I've'cause I've watched Hours. Eighteen hours. Of clock time.

37:28 Of debunking him. figure out how he does it, interviews with him. 'Cause I'm fascinated by the whole thing. And by the way, I'm fascinated by it in two ways. One is the tricks. But the other is the business side of it.'Cause if you just think about like

37:42 What he did by rebranding as a mentalist instead of a magician. Is an all time marketing move. Dude, post podcast, someone sent me an email. They're like check this out. I booked him to do a party for me. And it was a hundred and fifty dollars ten years ago. And he told me how much money he's making now.

38:00 It's astronomical. Yeah. Exactly. 'Cause he's the number one, right? It's a classic marketing thing, right? Law of category. Instead of being yet another magician, oh he's like Copperfield or David Blaine, but he's not David Blaine, right? David Blaine's more famous. He does better tricks, bigger tricks, blah blah blah.

38:15 He's like the street magician. Oh, okay, the cool No no he's not a magician. Those are those are magic tricks. We all every kid knows everyone knows how a magic trick works. It's a sleight of hand. I'm a mentalist. And he became the number one mentalist and it wasn't he wasn't even a category. So I'm like fascinated by the

38:32 The positioning, the marketing, the business side of what he did. That's not an accident. He created this motherfucker, right? Like he created this thing that he is. Epic. And then he figured out distribution. And he's like, I need these viral moments. So he goes to NFL training camp during hard knocks. He piggybacks off their distribution. He blows their minds. And everyone's interested in seeing LeBron James Get fooled. That's more interesting than just seeing a random guy on the street getting fooled. last year. Like he like

39:04 When he used the phrase overexposed, I'm like, Oh, so this is all part of the plan. Right. And so then in one of his interviews he just says a great thing. He talks about like The secret is Um having multiple outs.

39:17 So meaning like let's say you said the best friend thing. It's a pr it's a probability game, right? So you're not always gonna know the answer. And so you're like It starts with a letter. I'm getting like a a K sound, a T sound. Is it a T? Yeah, you know he he he's hearing looking at your reaction, he's like T, okay, then I know it wasn't Steve, it's Trevor.

39:36 So now I I had Steve written on my left forearm, but I had Trevor written on my right forearm. I'm just never gonna pull the sleeve up on my left. I'll pull the sleeve up on my right. Well, he told that story on the podcast. He went on the Today Show and he tried to get Al Roker to guess who then A celebrity president would be And he originally said George Clooney and he was like, Oh no, uh what about a female?

39:55 And it was and he said Taylor Swift and then he pulled pulled a shirt off. Let's do someone modern. And he like gets you to change it. Yeah. And you don't know that he had, you know, Taylor Swift on his thing and he had You know, uh, Chalamet on his butt and somebody else on his shoe. He just never needs to show it. I'm like, wow, that's actually pretty great. Pretty pretty genius the way he does that. It it was it was just incredible. He told me a story He he was like

40:20 I was like, did you Do you? I made a joke first. I was like It's pretty funny that you can do all of the stuff and it's as if they like sent an alien from outer space. Like we brought up like a set he's like we told the Seth Myers show.

40:32 And they had you like perform at Bar mitzvah's. Like why aren't you like doing something more special? That was great. That was a great question. Yeah, yeah. What was his answer to that, by the way? He was like, uh he's like well guessing what you're thinking. I'm like setting you up to say a certain thing.

40:53 But also I do pre work in advance. And I could teach anyone how to do pre work, but I can't interestingly, he did guess he told me that Michigan was gonna win the N C double A tournament. Do they win? Yes. Okay. at like the elite eight round. Yeah, like not that elite and I think they're number one.

41:11 But like that was a thing that he just guessed. I was like but but he he he he basically It it was just weird. It w it's it was really uncomfortable to hang out with him, to be honest. He was a really nice guy, but like just to be around someone who's so powerful I I I found uncomfortable. You're like the the the dudes burned the witches back in the day. You're like this is cool, but I don't like it. Let's tie her up.

41:36 But I don't how do you I no one has given me a good answer to the pin number. So basically listen to uh Yeah, Joe Rogan had it pin number guest live and then he did it uh multiple times live. I don't know how he did the pin number. I don't know how he did the pin number thing. I think people believe it's just he hires private investigators so he knows he's going on Rogan, right? It's a big thing. So he has an investigator follow Rogan and you can literally just like

41:57 If Frogan went to an ATM, you could just watch him pun punch it in. It's kinda like the cameras on the head in the factory workers. It's like, what's the incentive? If the incentive is I'm gonna go on the biggest Podcast. Tens of millions of people Are gonna believe

42:11 I'm like uh An actual like mind reader. If this happens, I will be able to book speaking gigs for 150 grand a pop. Is it worth hiring a PI for two grand? When was the last time you get you went and got your PIN number? When was the last time you typed your PIN number in? No, no, but it doesn't have to be

42:27 Again, he's got multiple outs. So you hire the PI to do it. He doesn't have to do the pin number thing. It could be something else. It could be that he d always does this other thing. It could be the something in the mail that he threw out that You know, a letter that he got from somebody. It doesn't matter, he just needs one piece of information that would be implausible that I know. Then I'm gonna center the whole trick around that. If I know I'm going on Rogan, I have the PI following them for, you know, whatever, a month until I get something.

42:50 And so, like, that's gotta be what's going on. I mean, not to take the fun out of it. By the way, I think it's awesome, even if he does all those things. I'm not I'm not using that to. To say it's less cool. I'm just like a kid who's like, oh my God, how does this work? It must be this, right? You have to go with it, right? There's a K fabe to the whole thing that that has to be like maintained. It's like in wrestling, like Like you have to sell that the guy punched you, right? Like you gotta sell it a little bit for the whole thing to to work. And and life is more fun.

43:17 When you let him do his tricks and like blow your mind versus like trying to out him. Totally, totally get that. Um he's great. I thought the pod was great. I think he's great. I'm super impressed. With how he's built his thing up. I think it's really really awesome. All right, today's sponsor is a company that I use that I actually built a company on that I sold for millions of dollars. And it took me zero upfront capital. We had one employee, and those are the types of business I love. I love

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44:36 There's a great clip. So I think people should watch. It was like oddly inspiring. And it's Kevin Hart. on the Joe Rogan podcast talking about when he met Jeff Bezos. Have you ever you ever heard this clip? No, no no no.

44:47 The clip is he's on Rogan and he talks about meeting Jeff Bezos at a party. He's like, I'm at a party, Jeff Bezos is there. I don't know Jeff Bezos. Jeff Bezos, I don't know if he knows me. I have no idea. And I s I tell my friend, like I'm gonna go talk to him and his friend is like, No man, come on, don't don't be that guy. You think What you mean? He's like, That's Jeff Bezos.

45:05 He created some shit that I think is awesome, like I don't I'm I'm I don't know him. I'm not gonna see him again. I don't know when I'm gonna see him again. I'm gonna go say I'm gonna go say something. He's like Ah man, but play like be cool about it. And he's like That's the problem. Everybody's too cool. Like everybody wants to be too cool about everything.

45:22 He's like, No, I'm th he's like, What do you want? What do you want from me? He's like, I'm thirsty for knowledge. I want some information from this guy. This guy's done he's built empires. He's built he's he knows more about the money game than me. He's built he's built technology. He's like, I just I'm I want to go learn. I'm gonna go talk to the guy. I'm not gonna be too cool for this. So he goes up to him and he just says like Hey man. Jeff, I'm Kevin.

45:43 I'm I admire what you built. Yeah, I think it's I think it's amazing. I would love to to l talk to you a little bit more. Now's not the time and place, but I would love to talk to you more at some point to To get to know you, um and like hear a little bit more about how you did this, because I think it's fascinating and I I I think there's a lot I could learn from that. But anyways, I just wanted to to come over and say hi because I'm a I'm I admire what you do and I hope someday our you know our paths cross. He's like

46:06 That was it. I got out of his way and he's like I don't know if I'm ever gonna see him again, but if I do, like I put my face out there, I put my intent, I let it be known. I think it's awesome what you do and I would love to to to to chat with you sometime about it. And he's like he was super kind.

46:21 That was it. But he he gave this like impassioned speech about really about shooting your shot. And like, dude, like don't be too cool. To learn. Don't be too cool to make progress. Don't be too cool to put yourself out there. And I just think that that was uh it was an awesome clip. I was very inspired by it. Uh that is a great clip. That that is cool. I um

46:41 Went to St. Louis recently for Easter. And Jesse Poochie. Um invited me to go walking around. Jesse's from Saint Louis. He's like, Hey, do you wanna come to my office? We'll go for a walk out. I'm gonna bring my friend. So he brings his friend and I start talking to his friend. His friend is named Dave Wayner.

46:55 Dave was the CFO or now he's the chief strategy officer, but he was the CFO of Facebook. For the last fifteen years. Yeah. And we were walking around just like we were all like Saint Louis guys.

47:08 And he's Just telling great stories. Dave was telling great stories. I I can I guess I'll call him Dave now. He's my buddy. And um he uh it was pretty cool. Like he was like saying like some cool stuff. Nothing confidential, just like cool like anecdotes. And he's told the story about meeting Jeff Bezos one time at um Dave used to work at uh the s what's the Sun Valley Conference company, Alan and Co. And he w you know has been able to meet these ballers forever. You know, he's been I think the CFO of Facebook for fifteen years and then before that he was hanging out with like Titans of Industry and he was I I was asking him, I was like who

47:41 Who's cool? Who's not cool. Uh, just m messing around and he was like, You know, I met Jeff Bezos a couple of times And he's one of the only Titans of industry who I've ever met. When he looked me in the eye, he was never looking around to see who else was in the room. And he was like, I was a little kind of a small fry compared to all the people he could be around. He looked me straight in the eye and I totally felt like we were connecting and being buddies. And he was always really calm and really nice to me and he never like was trying to be like All right, nice to talk to you I now I gotta go talk to Putin.

48:11 And uh that's what this guy Dave told me. Well who the f who the hell does like you know, crazy happy hour Who does Jet Bezos talk to? I don't know. Like who's he like itching to like go to I don't even know. Um isn't that crazy. I got to I got got to go on a walk and hang out with this guy. What do you say about Zach? He said he's a pleasure to work for, I swear to God.

48:33 He said he's even tempered. I'm not joking. This sounds like I'm brown nosling. He said he's even tempered. He's like, Man, he's been a great boss. Like he's been he never like uh his uh lashes out. He has always even tempered. He's very polite. And uh That he's just been great. He's w I mean, Dave's worked there, I think, for fifteen or eighteen years, I forget exactly how long, but for a long time.

48:54 Dave, come on the pod. Um Although he's still like Chief strategy of you know, there's only so much interest. The best is the retired guys. The guys who are like two years out, actually not even freshly retired, but two years out. And they're like kinda.

49:09 What do I do with my life? And like I got things to say, and I'm seeing all these dweebs online who've done one one hundredth of what I've done that have this big audience and they're talking, they're yapping. I should start yapping. That's actually why like uh We we did this pod I did this pod with I still have this book on my thing. This guy John McNeil. That was awesome. He was president of Tesla. He worked with Elon for years and he's done a whole bunch of awesome startups on his own. Like I the crazy thing about that pod is His PR person is Jason Yanowitz's wife, Dana.

49:38 So she's a good friend of mine and she's been like saying, like, have this guy on, have this guy on and I just dismiss it. I'm like A guy who worked for Elon, that's I don't know, like And it was so good. It was so good. Isn't that obviously good? I don't know. I thought he was Elon's housekeeper. I'd be like, can we book a bigger studio? What are we gonna do? Like there was something about it where like I showed it to Ari, I'm like, does this interesting you? I don't know. We get so many pitches. For some reason it didn't stand out as being like a must have. And then I listened to it and I'm like Oh my God, this was amazing.

50:09 Oh no, he was great. If you haven't listened to that one, that's one of the that one and the Graham Weaver one, but uh two two recent episodes that I would be like They're Two of my favorite. podcast that I've listened to. You know, I don't I I don't normally like listen to MFM once you do them, but like Yeah. We had such good questions to Graham Weaver. I went and I went and listened to it and I was like, we each asked such awesome questions and DHH. Those those two pods where I'm going to do it. I can't believe you said that with a straight face. That's hilarious. It's like when Trump recently was on the podium and he was like

50:42 He's like uh He just says the quiet part out loud all the time. He was like I don't like hanging out with people more successful than me. I like hanging out with losers. What?

50:52 He's like, Yeah, if I hang out with someone more successful than I feel like a loser. But when I hang out with losers I feel great. I can't believe he's the president is saying this out loud. But even if he wasn't the president Who do you know that's actually that like Fundamentally unfiltered and honest. Did you see what he said about Pearl Harbor to the Prime Minister of Japan? You don't like surprises? Yeah. She was like uh

51:15 You know, Donald Trump was to the Prime Minister? I thought this was to a journalist. No, like it was the leader of Japan. She was like, You should have told us about this Iran thing. And he was like, You want to talk about surprises? Why didn't you tell me about Pearl Harbor? That was incredible. I I don't I I don't like the guy and I think it's insane some of the stuff that's going on and Oh agreed. I think it's just I think the the the greed and the theft is i is pretty crazy with like if you look at the world liberty financial stuff that they're doing. I think the memes about like how they're like okay, you're you're Deporting people, but like rubbing it in with like rap videos and memes. I think it's like so tasteless coming from the official White House account. I can't get behind any of that shit. You know what I mean? Like I uh you know, like I'm I'm open to somebody who's uh maybe Got policies that that you like.

52:04 But there's something about the way he goes about things that is just like so so distasteful. But also I do think he's hilarious. I think he's an absolute master. of of of the gift of Gab. And I can I I do I do think that's a gr amazing and I thoroughly enjoy a nice little Two minute compilation of of you know just hilarious things that he's saying. So like yeah, you know, he's complicated and I'm complicated. We we uh I recorded an episode on Friday with Charles Dohic and he has a book called Super Communicators. He wrote the book Power of Habit, which was a big inspiration to to atomic habits and it was a great book.

52:35 And he was like I'm not a Trump supporter, but when I was uh working for the New York Times I interviewed him a ton. And he was like I understand how like one can be Very charmed by this. Like he he he checked all the boxes of following the rules of traditional great communicators.

52:50 So I don't I don't like to follow a lot of like world events and news or whatever, but you know, when there's like possible World War Three. It it probably it gets it g it goes above the above the of the b above the bar and you start to pay a little bit of attention to it. And so I was like, I don't really understand what he's negotiating with Iran about. I'm not not totally certain Uh so I bought I bought the Art of the Deal. I was like, I'm gonna read the Art of the Deal to try to understand what is the what is the strategy here? What's going on? Have you ever actually read The Art of the Deal?

53:20 No. No, I've read books on him, but not that one. You gotta read it, dude. The first twenty pages of the Art of the Deal Cinema. Absolute cinema. So the way he writes the bo the beginning of the book

53:31 So just check this out. This is the first first paragraph of the book. I don't do it for the money. I've got enough. More than I'll ever need. I do it to do it. Deals are my art form. Other people paint beautifully on a canvas or write wonderful poetry. I like making deals, preferably big deals. That's how I get my kicks.

53:48 Most people are surprised by the way I work. I play it very loose. I don't carry a briefcase. I try not to schedule too many meetings. I leave my door open. You can't be imaginative or entrepreneur if if you've got too much structure. I prefer to come into work each day just to see what happens. And then he talks about how how he's like The the first twenty pages are just a yeah, that's cool if you're running.

54:08 You know, a privately held company. Yeah. But you can see he's just doing the same shit. I just do it to do it. Uh you know, I I I play it loose. I show up and see what happens. And so he he he goes like it'll be like nine he basically says like I do fifty to a hundred phone calls a day. Most don't last more than fifteen minutes. I just work the phones all day. And so it's like nine AM.

54:31 You know, Le Ioka called. You know, nine fifteen, my broker called. We got a we got a million dollars of Hilton stock. People think I'm gonna do a takeover. Honestly, I don't know. I might just sell it if it's a profit. I might take over the whole company. I'm keeping my options open right now. I feel like there's more value there. But then again, a nice profit's a nice profit. I hang up the phone we decide that we'll c we'll call back again this afternoon. And he just goes call after call of like Yeah, the permitting guy called Said we're not gonna get the permit.

54:58 Pissing it's you know, like whatever, like it's pissing me off. I gotta call I gotta call this other guy to see if I can get the permits through. He owes me a big one, a big one from the old At Atlantic City deal that we did. You know, it's he's just going like Kind of deal by deal, call by call for the first 20 minutes. It's honestly pretty fascinating. And like I think he ghostwrote the book. I don't think he wrote it, but the ghost. The ghostwriter like talks mad trash about'em. He was like, the the style of it though is very unique. Like I actually really enjoy the like st stylistic Way it seems like you know his personality, even if he's not the one writing it.

55:32 I read um a book that was written about'em and they're basically said like starting at the age of twenty five or I forget when He like he they're like he didn't have an office in Manhattan, but he had a limousine. And he would just drive like to city The

55:46 You know, where the mayor is. I forget. What what's it called? City. City Hall. City Hall, sorry. And he would like just start badgering people and then he would go to like properties that were selling and start badgering them. And he just went from place to place to place every single day to driving around and he'd be like, I gotta go back to my office. But he he didn't have an office. He just would drive around from place to place to place. And in doing that, he just kind of created motion, kind of created a handful of things, and it was just like this Instant like Nagging almost. I don't know what what you'd call it, but it it's like

56:14 Um all right, is that it? If that ain't it, I don't know what it is. That was everything. Like what the hell am I gonna do with this episode? Every time we do this, the people say, Thank God, we love these uh this the third time I'm complimenting us. Uh, but they say that they like these, so It is what it is. It's for the uh don't listen to the podcast. All right, that's it. That's the pod. I feel like I can rule the world a no way

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